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1145: Dumb Meat

Adam Curry & John C. Dvorak

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June 9th, 2019
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Start of Show
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Liberty Nation: 'Top 10 Conservative Podcasts to Download in 2019'
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5:42
UK Conservative Party Leadership Contender Michael Gove Admits Cocaine Usage
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9:19
Hillary Clinton's Brother Tony Rodham Dies at 64
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15:54
Vox Adpocalypse
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1:08:46
Boeing Donates $10 Million to the Barack Obama Presidential Center in Chicago
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1:12:19
Credits
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1:37:28
Bob Hope Mocks Democrats in Old Movie
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1:38:51
NASA's Lost Telemetry Data
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1:41:24
NASA Opens International Space Station to Tourists
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1:43:20
Man Planning Terrorist Attack on Times Square Arrested
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1:49:36
Swedish Regional Airline BRA Launches Environment Class
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1:55:48
Rhiana Gunn-Wright Compares Climate Change to 25 Holocausts
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1:58:31
NPR's The World: 'How Climate Change is Affecting Mental Health'
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2:01:21
DNC Tells Jay Inslee He's Not Allowed to Participate in Climate Debates
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2:03:19
DNC Presidential Debates
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2:05:28
Donations
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2:12:03
Birthdays, Meetups & Title Changes
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2:18:06
Electric Scooters in Nashville
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2:21:29
Actor Jerome Flynn Warns Direwolf Trend is Hurting Huskies
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2:23:06
First Dog-Friendly Movie Theater Opens in Austin
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2:25:53
JCD's Horse Meat Story
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2:29:40
Clip Blitz
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2:33:19
US-Mexico Deal
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2:35:41
US Considers New Rule to Dramatically Limit Asylum Eligibility
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2:38:18
Canada Calls Out Twitter for Not Commiting to Declaration on Electoral Integrity Online
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End of Show
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    assassination episode 11:45 this is no
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    agenda from North Silicon Valley where
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    this podcast is number three
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    other conservative podcast Joe Rogan
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    seems like a legit or huh so this was
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    the we made the top ten list which was
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    apparently a poll it was voted on by the
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    readers of Liberty Nation top ten
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    conservative podcast to download in 2019
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    mm-hmm number three do you have to
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    listen front I do as a matter so give us
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    the list too we had number ten is the
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    Dan Carlin hardcore history history
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    party again like the rest of them like
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    most of me says quote unquote not
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    technically a conservative podcast what
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    does it it doesn't say that yes oh
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    really it says it on his podcast yes on
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    his entry is not technically a
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    conservative podcast yeah but he got in
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    number ten somebody wrote on Twitter is
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    this really the depart cast that
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    necessarily conservatives and didn't
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    most of them aren't yeah that makes
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    heard that I'm not familiar with
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    house pots okay well the people who read
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    Liberty Nation I'm sure would be hey I'm
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    just happy we're on a list number seven
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    the tongue would show which is a good
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    show that's a good
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    conservative are the number six the
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    conservative Dave Rubin is gay liberal
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    reason your gaydar needs some adjustment
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    which I only listen to once mm-hmm I
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    find it to be extremely no offense to
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    the Federalists which if I like the
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    publication but the podcast is dull yeah
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    and then number four the Joe Rogan
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    experience which is anything but a he's
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    really kind of a liberal yeah uh but
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    he's had he's had Alex Jones and he
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    likes Alex Jones okay okay that's sauce
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    yes yeah thus and number three no agenda
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    hosted by Adam Korean Johnny Dvorak the
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    no agenda podcast is a real journey
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    through the minds of those think I think
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    our personal experience so if you listen
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    our show yeah you probably think oh
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    in other words if both groups liked it
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    at AM radio talk-show type stuff because
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    and Heaney and that it's a skill you
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    need that skill to draw twenty five
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    minutes of content out to a full hour
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    because I subscribe to his process and I
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    like his podcast what does but I need
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    you know twenty five minutes of the
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    information kind of were and I'm sure
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    people say is that about our show
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    although we're more than just
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    information we are we take you on a
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    journey inside our mind inside our minds
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    that's true that's true you know you you
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    come you come for the deconstruction you
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    stay for the sound effects there you go
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    and the stories that's I think that's
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    that's where and actually today we're
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    going to be using some of our our
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    expertise in in fields to help people
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    deconstruct what is going on what is
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    going on
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    well first John you can really pick them
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    I'm surprised I mean this show has
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    picked sports competition winners that
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    has picked we tagged Donald Trump very
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    early on is going to win the Pope named
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    the Pope the before he became before is
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    all you by this show I'll just say it's
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    this show we've picked eurovision song
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    contest winners we've had some losers
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    too but usually we're able to pick them
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    pretty accurately and wow man on brexit
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    who would possibly be the next or just
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    the UK possibly be the next prime
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    minister with the resignation of a
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    Teresa may you brought up a name which
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    had never heard of before he kept saying
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    yeah the Guv guy gov gold
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    Michael Gove well you can't pick him
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    John for the last few weeks Michael Gove
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    has had his sights set on promising
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    future I can confirm that I will be
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    putting my name forward to be prime
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    minister of this country but it is his
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    past that's getting attention right now
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    mr. gobs cocaine admission comes right a
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    little of his bid for the toy leadership
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    so he had to come out and say I did coke
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    I did coke cuz I guess what's about to
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    publish a book or something and this is
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    20 years ago but his actual quote about
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    his misdeeds is perhaps even more
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    interesting Mr Gove told the Daily Mail
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    I took drugs on several occasions at
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    social events more than 20 years ago
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    at the time I was a young journalist it
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    was a mistake I look back and think I
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    wish I hadn't done that now why would he
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    add the moniker at the time I was a
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    young journalist does that mean
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    journalists who are young or on coke is
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    this what they do thank you for your
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    answer I have no reason to doubt it
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    that's in there for a reason
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    yeah that's the reason you just that you
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    just outlined because it's true no it's
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    because it's a great assertion to make
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    and it did say putting everyone on
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    notice notice I think a lot of a young
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    journalists are on coke I think a lot of
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    young people are on coke that are in
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    hype you know pressure businesses I
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    think there's a lot of coke heads in the
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    Silicon Valley and I think there's a lot
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    of coke heads in the New York Times just
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    well you're good at detecting that I
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    have no no drug gar in that in that
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    regard I cannot tell y'all you do check
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    them check how many times you go to
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    their nose yeah well being someone who
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    has Tourette's and tics you know I'd be
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    wary now I gotta touch my nose all of a
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    sudden just because we're talking about
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    it's crazy this disease it's crazy so
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    but of course everyone's okay with it ah
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    we don't really care about his history
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    no we're not America not crazy like
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    America and all that we get all nutty
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    about what you did in the past
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    so I guess there was a hit job that they
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    tried to pull off on him and I think
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    it's actually good to point out the
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    journal that he was a young journalist
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    because that puts the actual journalist
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    on notice who were reporting on the
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    story it does kind of cuz that's kind of
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    the next obvious question as was mine
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    really you kids all on coke the so that
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    was a a hit job on him something that
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    came out yesterday which to me means
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    that the hag may be operative again
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    do you remember hag yeah h AG leg no hag
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    hag hag hags an acronym hag the hillary
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    assassination group oh that oh i forget
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    all about them yeah the had been killing
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    the republicans in their homes
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    well me and i one of her two brothers
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    hillary clinton's brothers died Toni
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    Toni Rodham and you know which I was it
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    was 64 65 but the cause of death has not
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    been reported his unknown you think it
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    was part of it
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    Hague operation well so why wouldn't you
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    just say what happened you know and so
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    you know when you don't say anything
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    then typically then it doesn't sound
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    like it was a sickness so it may have
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    been a suicide or something I don't know
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    if anything has come out since we
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    started the show you also leave usually
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    they won't say anything if it's the AIDS
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    related generally speaking I've noticed
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    this right but we are in the age of
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    mopping up cleaning up and getting rid
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    of stuff and this and and this is really
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    once again I am so grateful for our
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    value for value network of net producers
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    and dudes and dudette dudes named Ben
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    dudettes named Bernadette I mean long
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    ago we made a decision for all of our
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    show notes and all of our information to
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    be run in the freedom controller thank
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    you Dave Jones which is you know
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    structured all all tanks all show knows
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    everything is structured taxes it's XML
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    actually so it's it's highly exportable
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    you can do all kinds of fun things with
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    it so that's why we have
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    no agenda player that's why we have
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    being at dot IO for the shownotes search
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    so very quickly I was able to bring to
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    the front these little nagging
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    remembrances that I had in the back of
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    my mind my mind about her brother Tony
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    yeah I forgot all about him well let's
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    thank you this is what our No Agenda
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    Network does we've got two stories from
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    2015 when Tony and and Hugh both
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    actually were in the news with
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    controversy and this is regarding the
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    2016 election so you know there was
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    already some stuff brewing and well
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    first we'll listen to CNN kind of blow
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    it all off that Hillary Clinton's
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    younger brother has parlayed his
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    relationship with Bill and Hillary
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    Clinton throughout the years to come up
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    with some sometimes dubious business
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    deals for himself Maggie you just laid
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    it out there has been an ongoing focus
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    on the brothers Rodham right on here
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    Rodham Hillary Clinton's brothers what
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    was striking about the story that my
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    colleague Steve Eagar did is there are
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    these court transcripts where Tony
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    Rodham openly says I leaned on my
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    brother-in-law to get help me I went
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    through the Clinton Foundation he says
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    this that type of stuff I think is very
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    unhelpful that you were going to see an
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    attack mailers you were going to see
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    that potentially in ads it says here
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    when mr. Rodham was short on cash in
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    2010 mr. Clinton helped him get a job
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    for $72,000 a year raising investments
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    in green Tech Automotive an electric car
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    company then owned by Terry McAuliffe an
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    old friend of mr. Clinton's and now the
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    governor of Virginia don't we all help
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    our brothers I was going to say a much
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    what's wrong with that what's wrong with
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    that yeah I know that I think people
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    will forgive helping us I mean he's not
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    a politician right Bill Clinton is not
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    in office it doesn't seem to conflict
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    with her job as Secretary of State
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    oh no it didn't helped out the
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    brother-in-law I don't see that as a
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    scandal to me if there's any issue I
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    totally agree I think that people
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    forgive you help your family you help
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    you better I think that the more you see
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    things of I you know I went to the
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    foundation for help now the foundation
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    says there's no evidence that we did
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    anything that he said but it's just it's
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    not great oh yeah so the found
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    nothing this was episode 706 by the way
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    of the No Agenda show from that same
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    episode we brought you this report
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    Hillary Rodham Clinton's brother Tony
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    Robbins sat on the board of a
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    self-described mining company that in
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    2012 received one of only two gold
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    exploitation permits from the Haitian
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    government the first issued in over 50
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    years the tiny North Carolina company
  • 13:42
    VCS mining also included on its board
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    Bill Clinton's co-chair of the interim
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    Haiti recovery Commission former Haitian
  • 13:51
    prime minister jean max bella Reeve the
  • 13:54
    Rodham gold mine revelation is just one
  • 13:56
    of dozens featured in a forthcoming
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    bombshell investigative book by
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    three-time New York Times bestselling
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    author Peter Schweitzer now of course
  • 14:05
    was Clinton cash so there's lots of
  • 14:07
    loose ends with the Tony and if you have
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    an investigation into connections with
  • 14:13
    the State Department shenanigans going
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    on with the Obama administration all
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    kinds of missing documents and there's I
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    don't know how many investigations are
  • 14:24
    now running we've got multiple
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    inspectors general you know maybe Tony
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    got in the way
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    could be heads I have no no better
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    answer I'm on the list
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    I have no better answer since you know
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    there's no information tool on the list
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    on the list of what of the hag list the
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    body count
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    it's not just a body Hillary yes exactly
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    yes I know was the last time you looked
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    at that list is huge is a bit as quite a
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    big list and I feel bad about you gotta
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    go hey you know this list is a little
  • 15:09
    bit no this is pretty big this list I I
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    feel bad about going straight to this I
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    mean even last night I'm reading this
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    article and I go mm-hmm
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    and the keeper immediately goes oh don't
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    tell me he was killed since they haven't
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    told us what happened
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    you know there's you just got a certain
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    yeah you got to think about stuff and I
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    just recall that he was controversial a
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    couple years ago around elections and it
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    was important and they poo-poos it on
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    CNN yet there was all kinds of
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    shenanigans with the gold mine in Haiti
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    the gold mine in Haiti is a classic but
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    it is a classic one of two licenses okay
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    who knows who knows well I guess if you
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    look at the New York Times front page
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    today yeah you will see the topic I'd
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    like to discuss the ad pocalypse okay so
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    I have thoughts on this because this
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    thing is I'm gonna let you do your thing
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    but first of all I'm going to kind of
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    predict what you're gonna do why would
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    you do that why yeah why would you
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    predict what the outcome of what I'm
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    about to say is because I could be wrong
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    and then you can gloat and if you're
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    right then I don't have to do it is that
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    the point again I can't predict anything
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    actually I had my mind made up what I
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    was gonna do because I knew you were
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    gonna do this mm-hmm cuz you've
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    telegraphed it on Twitter
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    Oh dinner this is no okay no my car it
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    was good but then I read this article
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    yeah oh geez well and and actually it
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    there is something important we need to
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    do first people's brains are getting
  • 17:03
    fried trying to understand the perceived
  • 17:06
    censorship of conservatives on social
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    media and this week in particular it was
  • 17:11
    YouTube now the way all media sees this
  • 17:17
    whether it's alternative whether it's
  • 17:19
    mainstream it except for this show and
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    this is so I was telegraphing I was also
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    gauging response that we're pretty much
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    the only ones or I I think you're gonna
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    be on board with most what I have to say
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    who see this in the way that it's
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    actually unfolding and what this is
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    really about so in the in the in the
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    lexicon the waste people speak in fact I
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    have a I have a little this was on
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    Friday Glenn Greenwald was on Tucker
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    Carlson which is always a fun match
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    since Greenwald is definitely not the
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    your typical Fox guest and here's his
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    take on what went down and he's missing
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    one important piece I mean I personally
  • 18:05
    find steven crowder to be just a
  • 18:08
    contemptuous cretin as a commentator I
  • 18:10
    do think he's an infantile bully witch
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    and bigoted which are not words I easily
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    invoke he didn't just criticize Carlos
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    Massa he mocked him for being gay and
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    for being Latino you used a lisp and
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    things to ridicule him sends a lot of
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    harassment his way but that's the point
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    Tucker is that censorship advocates want
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    our brains to only go to that most
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    primitive first level of do we hate this
  • 18:34
    person and are we therefore glad that
  • 18:36
    they're being censored without thinking
  • 18:38
    about the framework being endorsed or
  • 18:40
    the consequences right that in super MIT
  • 18:43
    I mean I've personally it resonates a
  • 18:44
    lot for me because I've dealt with
  • 18:46
    harassment far greater than what Carlos
  • 18:48
    maza is complaining of on the game
  • 18:50
    in a country Brazil that just elected a
  • 18:52
    president with driven by intense
  • 18:55
    anti-gay animus my husband's a member of
  • 18:58
    Congress in the oppositional party
  • 18:59
    we've been mocked and derided with our
  • 19:01
    sexual orientation not by a random
  • 19:03
    youtubers but by the president of a
  • 19:05
    country himself on Twitter and his
  • 19:07
    family members who are elected members
  • 19:09
    of Congress and it would never occur to
  • 19:11
    me to run to social media companies to
  • 19:15
    beg for censorship because in part it's
  • 19:18
    just something that comes with the
  • 19:19
    territory being a public figure but more
  • 19:21
    so because I don't want to live in a
  • 19:23
    world where our discourse is policed and
  • 19:26
    determined by benevolent overlords
  • 19:29
    who run Silicon Valley companies you
  • 19:31
    know we're always going to cater to the
  • 19:34
    most powerful faction that's what
  • 19:36
    happened here YouTube caved in not in
  • 19:39
    defense of the marginalized person but
  • 19:41
    in defense of the powerful one the one
  • 19:43
    who despite being gay and Latino works
  • 19:46
    for a major media conglomerate and
  • 19:47
    that's what they're always gonna do is
  • 19:49
    defend the mob and defend the powerful
  • 19:52
    at the expense of those who are
  • 19:54
    marginalized so Glenn Greenwald is
  • 19:56
    correct that Silicon Valley companies
  • 19:59
    will always cater to the strongest
  • 20:02
    influence but he's incorrect in saying
  • 20:06
    that thus that they were always catered
  • 20:07
    to the strongest influence being big
  • 20:10
    media corporations no bullshit and I'm
  • 20:13
    and we're gonna explain why and with
  • 20:16
    this Vox Crowder gay wonk whatever it
  • 20:19
    was controversy the timing was perfect
  • 20:23
    for a 21-month investigative piece to be
  • 20:27
    published today that's just so
  • 20:29
    coincidental this is the making of a
  • 20:32
    YouTube radical this is the front page
  • 20:34
    of the New York Times which really shows
  • 20:38
    you how evil YouTube is at a systemic
  • 20:42
    level and the people on it in particular
  • 20:45
    pointing out stefan molyneux i think he
  • 20:47
    can be prepared for what's coming now
  • 20:50
    there was actually on the front page of
  • 20:51
    the New York Times a couple of things
  • 20:54
    one they had the for the front page of
  • 20:56
    the online edition they had four people
  • 20:59
    it's on the front on the front page of
  • 21:01
    the of the printed edition to
  • 21:03
    okay they had these four people well I
  • 21:05
    think the front page of the online is
  • 21:07
    pretty much a reflection except on the
  • 21:10
    online version they had them in motion
  • 21:11
    they were moving there oh yeah that's
  • 21:14
    better
  • 21:14
    it's an extra dimension it's actually
  • 21:18
    he's kind of cool so they had the blonde
  • 21:20
    in the bunk or whatever there blondie
  • 21:22
    blondie whatever her name is on the left
  • 21:24
    and then they had Paul and then they had
  • 21:27
    the other Paul Watson mm-hmm
  • 21:29
    who's the guy with the beard I've seen
  • 21:31
    him before but I for some reason I get
  • 21:33
    and they didn't have a name of anybody I
  • 21:35
    arrived it's I I don't know do you know
  • 21:39
    help somebody the chat room knows who
  • 21:41
    that is well you say I don't know who it
  • 21:45
    is
  • 21:45
    okay well I'll open up the article then
  • 21:47
    yeah hold on mom can tell you exactly
  • 21:50
    who it is
  • 21:50
    yeah they got me to heaven they must
  • 21:54
    have a million different pictures on
  • 21:56
    this article you mean the front page the
  • 21:58
    articles got a million pictures okay on
  • 22:00
    the front page of the times that you
  • 22:02
    have these four guys okay let me take a
  • 22:04
    look and I can tell you for a fact that
  • 22:06
    on the on the article I can't identify
  • 22:08
    more than one or two people there okay
  • 22:11
    Lauren southern I mean it's if you're
  • 22:14
    looking at Lauren's other that's blondie
  • 22:16
    that's Lauren southern Lauren yes Laura
  • 22:21
    it even says it in the caption John okay
  • 22:24
    clockwise from pleasures Blondell is
  • 22:26
    just like Lauren southern stefan
  • 22:28
    molyneux Paul Joseph Watson and rebel
  • 22:32
    media and rebel media would be on the
  • 22:34
    left though that's not - that's Paul
  • 22:37
    Joseph what Paul Joseph Watson the
  • 22:39
    rights everything correctly even their
  • 22:40
    caption is incorrect and it's actually
  • 22:44
    it's a nice long piece very long article
  • 22:46
    but before we get to that what we're
  • 22:49
    going what we're going to talk about is
  • 22:52
    advertising and I think it's probably a
  • 22:55
    good idea for us to state our
  • 22:57
    credentials in particular digital
  • 22:59
    advertising because for some reason
  • 23:01
    people think they understand advertising
  • 23:05
    the misconception that advertising is oh
  • 23:09
    you get bigger numbers you make more
  • 23:10
    money it's how it works everybody
  • 23:12
    and advertisers don't care that
  • 23:14
    advertise they just want eyeballs this
  • 23:15
    is what eyeballs that's how it works
  • 23:17
    and I think this started with I'm code
  • 23:19
    down yes I think this started with
  • 23:23
    really with the first ad networks and
  • 23:25
    and the display what we had the display
  • 23:29
    ads first if it just showed on a web
  • 23:31
    page you remember those days you'd make
  • 23:33
    money by a couple of guys that used to
  • 23:36
    work at PC Magazine when they went over
  • 23:38
    to see net which is the company invented
  • 23:40
    the banner ad so they get banner ads and
  • 23:43
    you know this is morphed over time but
  • 23:45
    let's just go back my credentials that
  • 23:48
    besides having brought Budweiser to MTV
  • 23:51
    which was very precarious that but what
  • 23:54
    MTV really wanted Budweiser on the
  • 23:57
    channel we felt you know for the money
  • 23:59
    no other reason for the money and that
  • 24:02
    there wasn't they couldn't figure out a
  • 24:04
    way to do it until we came up with the
  • 24:06
    idea of Spring Break Spring Break was
  • 24:08
    created for Budweiser not because MTV
  • 24:11
    wanted to go show how much fun kids were
  • 24:13
    having it was to get Budweiser on the
  • 24:15
    channel and there were several
  • 24:17
    stipulations the main one was nothing
  • 24:20
    could be done live that MTV did Mardi
  • 24:23
    Gras we do live we do live all the time
  • 24:25
    back in the day at least I had done it's
  • 24:27
    all over but Spring Break Spring Break
  • 24:31
    spring break had to be taped taped and
  • 24:34
    edited and delayed because that
  • 24:36
    Budweiser could not condone anything
  • 24:38
    happening that won't involve kids drunk
  • 24:41
    which is pretty much what Spring Break
  • 24:43
    is but it happened and we got you know
  • 24:46
    Budweiser and Bud Light and there was
  • 24:48
    you know it was fantastic and in fact
  • 24:49
    were then we brought in Nivea for some
  • 24:52
    of the stuff that you know that might
  • 24:54
    portray too much drunkenness so they had
  • 24:56
    different advertisers but the the
  • 24:57
    sensitivity of the advertisers when I'm
  • 25:00
    when I'm getting to so I started a
  • 25:02
    company in 1993 called on-ramp bought 15
  • 25:06
    other digital agencies and created think
  • 25:09
    new ideas took that public on NASDAQ in
  • 25:11
    1996 with Omnicom arguably the biggest
  • 25:15
    either number two one or two depending
  • 25:17
    on you know WPP who are you arguing with
  • 25:20
    conglomerate of advertising agencies
  • 25:22
    they were our largest shareholder
  • 25:24
    personally invested
  • 25:26
    John ran the CEO and we built the first
  • 25:30
    leg plague these companies they bought
  • 25:33
    up everybody well they didn't buy us up
  • 25:35
    we wouldn't let they wanted to buy I
  • 25:36
    said no we'll go this is that all these
  • 25:38
    little advertising agencies and some big
  • 25:40
    ones used to be very famous Doyle Dane
  • 25:42
    and burned back you know these guys in
  • 25:44
    that those guys and they all end up part
  • 25:47
    of a giant conglomerate desirable yes
  • 25:49
    and they call the shots and we continue
  • 25:53
    please have built the first web site for
  • 25:55
    actually Budweiser there was my first
  • 25:57
    call we got Budweiser calm bud calm ha
  • 26:00
    like calm Reebok calm they didn't have a
  • 26:02
    website we built Reebok calm pant Tampax
  • 26:05
    calm built this company to our company
  • 26:08
    thick new ideas to 700 employees seven
  • 26:11
    different countries 450 million dollars
  • 26:14
    in revenue yeah this is when you were
  • 26:16
    famous this was and this was a and yeah
  • 26:19
    we were there with agency comm was
  • 26:21
    called digital uh a Silicon Alley Jason
  • 26:24
    Calacanis was still in New York so
  • 26:27
    learned a lot about the sensitivities of
  • 26:29
    advertisers let me give you a few
  • 26:31
    examples from the early days Reebok we
  • 26:34
    built planet Reebok calm and we put a
  • 26:37
    forum in there get a panicked call from
  • 26:40
    the from the wasn't the CEO was the
  • 26:43
    chief marketing officer people are
  • 26:45
    talking about our shoes that they're
  • 26:46
    being made by children on this for to
  • 26:48
    close it down close the website down she
  • 26:52
    was a woman that's the crazy part that's
  • 26:54
    how she sounded that's another it may
  • 26:58
    unfortunately be this way for the whole
  • 27:00
    show and you know these were huge issues
  • 27:06
    we had to AT&T oh my goodness just a
  • 27:09
    smaller example shut the website down we
  • 27:11
    did the you will camp you will you will
  • 27:15
    calm she registered was a member Tom
  • 27:18
    Selleck and he had these stylized and of
  • 27:21
    course it all came true he'd be sitting
  • 27:22
    on the beach with some kind of you know
  • 27:25
    digital thing some slab of whatever one
  • 27:28
    day he'll send an email from the beach
  • 27:30
    you will you know sir
  • 27:32
    so he built the website you will calm
  • 27:34
    and it was a it was a promotion with a
  • 27:36
    feedback loop but these are the days
  • 27:39
    of color monitors that did 256 colors
  • 27:41
    and the that again you know we usually
  • 27:46
    dealt with it with the chief with a
  • 27:48
    c-suite the chief marketing officers in
  • 27:50
    buy-in from the CEO so it was a big deal
  • 27:52
    they were looking at the AT&T logo which
  • 27:55
    of course has to be so many pixels from
  • 27:58
    the with him talking pixels at the times
  • 27:59
    there's so many inches from the border
  • 28:02
    of the page and you're from any content
  • 28:04
    around it but because of the color of
  • 28:06
    the monitors in the state of color
  • 28:09
    correctness and and clarity exist it
  • 28:12
    didn't look like the AT&T blue logo shut
  • 28:16
    the website down you know I had to I had
  • 28:17
    to fly the fly I think was at Boston at
  • 28:20
    the time whoever was in charge of it
  • 28:21
    then had to explain that that's not how
  • 28:25
    so they're very very very sad oh here's
  • 28:28
    another one's my favorite weed so we
  • 28:31
    were a wee after being digital we really
  • 28:33
    became a full-service agency and also
  • 28:35
    did television commercials and we did a
  • 28:37
    big positioning piece for Oracle for the
  • 28:40
    Superbowl and this would have been Super
  • 28:43
    Bowl oh man the one in 97-98 can't
  • 28:48
    remember Oracle was major sponsor and we
  • 28:52
    did this beautiful you know like you see
  • 28:54
    monks piece where Oracle we're saving
  • 29:00
    the world's gonna be great and we had a
  • 29:02
    the U is one of the first times a URL
  • 29:04
    ran on the screen on the screen he was
  • 29:09
    in sick or achill comm um in fact it
  • 29:14
    might have been oracle contest comm or
  • 29:16
    some specialized thing so this was the
  • 29:19
    cell Oracle's wares and people started
  • 29:23
    hitting the server the minute that
  • 29:24
    popped up on screen we were running the
  • 29:26
    server and everything got overloaded
  • 29:29
    pretty much immediately yet we had no
  • 29:31
    idea what to expect these things hadn't
  • 29:32
    been done yet unfortunately we well
  • 29:35
    fortunately had put some failover stuff
  • 29:36
    in to multiple servers and some of those
  • 29:41
    were iis internet information servers
  • 29:45
    running on windows with the microsoft
  • 29:48
    sequel back-end
  • 29:50
    and somehow you know it failed over to
  • 29:54
    these other websites it got hammered so
  • 29:57
    bad that an error appeared on the screen
  • 29:59
    with Oracle meal contest com error
  • 30:02
    Microsoft sequel server internet
  • 30:05
    information server let me tell you we
  • 30:07
    got fired we get fired for that yeah I
  • 30:10
    would fire you too of course you would
  • 30:13
    of course I even tried to lie it off but
  • 30:15
    it didn't work so we got fired
  • 30:18
    there is such sexy vaguely remember that
  • 30:20
    incident because it may have floated
  • 30:22
    around in the in the tech writing oh
  • 30:24
    that could have yeah yeah I think it was
  • 30:26
    one of those things we view running it
  • 30:28
    Microsoft did the same thing when they
  • 30:30
    bought hotmail and it turned out they
  • 30:32
    were running it was running on your on
  • 30:40
    your what yeah of course try running a
  • 30:43
    hundred people on exchange let alone
  • 30:45
    hundreds of millions so the point is
  • 30:49
    have a lot of experience with
  • 30:52
    advertisers and sensitivity that they
  • 30:55
    have and controversy if it's
  • 30:57
    uncontrolled they love controversy can
  • 31:00
    be great that a Reebok and Nike both use
  • 31:03
    this all the time when it's controlled
  • 31:05
    controversy when they know the
  • 31:07
    parameters they know where it could spin
  • 31:09
    out of control but if it's an unknown if
  • 31:12
    they really don't know even the smallest
  • 31:14
    risk the smallest risk will be taken as
  • 31:18
    let's avoid it let's not do that things
  • 31:21
    to go bad John I'd like you to just
  • 31:23
    briefly give us a few of your
  • 31:24
    credentials so we so people understand
  • 31:26
    that we come from a business where we
  • 31:29
    really understand what's going on and
  • 31:31
    it's way beyond just numbers well I've
  • 31:35
    talked about on the last show which is
  • 31:37
    the fact that I've always worked in a
  • 31:38
    commercial environments they said well I
  • 31:40
    was on public radio for a while but
  • 31:42
    that's very similar except that the
  • 31:45
    commercial environment is kind of hidden
  • 31:47
    from the public but you know PC Magazine
  • 31:50
    San Francisco Examiner or some of these
  • 31:52
    and I probably every computer magazine
  • 31:54
    that was done in the 80s I've written
  • 31:58
    for him I've written for all of them and
  • 32:00
    then I've written for the New York Times
  • 32:01
    and elsewhere
  • 32:03
    and you are very cognizant of the fact
  • 32:05
    even though you don't talk about it too
  • 32:07
    much of advertisers and what and what
  • 32:11
    their influence is and you get condemned
  • 32:13
    for it constantly people who always said
  • 32:16
    well the only reason you're doing that
  • 32:17
    is because you've got a lot of
  • 32:19
    advertisers in the magazines that
  • 32:21
    support this and so you won't say
  • 32:23
    anything bad about them but ironically
  • 32:26
    the public doesn't seem to really have a
  • 32:28
    clue
  • 32:30
    they that's an old bromide that door the
  • 32:33
    advertisers are influencing the
  • 32:34
    editorial because the main one that
  • 32:37
    they'd always bitch and moan about was
  • 32:38
    Microsoft right and they'd always say
  • 32:40
    well Microsoft you know owns PC Magazine
  • 32:43
    and Microsoft makers of Microsoft and
  • 32:45
    Microsoft rarely if ever advertised in
  • 32:50
    PC Magazine us almost ever yet they were
  • 32:54
    always playing because we don't want to
  • 32:57
    hurt their feelings I mean the editors
  • 33:00
    were pretty soft about a lot of this
  • 33:01
    stuff but might one of my favorite
  • 33:02
    examples was I was in being syndicated
  • 33:04
    around the world on all these crazy
  • 33:06
    little piece of magazines that were
  • 33:07
    everywhere and I would and I wrote
  • 33:10
    something up that pissed off Microsoft
  • 33:12
    and they even though they don't
  • 33:14
    advertise they have a lot of they had a
  • 33:17
    lot of public relations people and they
  • 33:18
    had me banned from PC Magazine Italy of
  • 33:22
    all places really Microsoft made a big
  • 33:28
    stink said they'll never advertise again
  • 33:30
    if they Dvorak call them ever appears in
  • 33:32
    our magazine right and so I thought that
  • 33:34
    was pretty gruesome well that's actually
  • 33:35
    it was a great example just just repeat
  • 33:38
    that again they said what they said that
  • 33:42
    if Dvorak appears in any issue of PC
  • 33:45
    Magazine Italy there would they will not
  • 33:47
    advertise with them ever regardless of
  • 33:49
    what it's about regardless of where your
  • 33:51
    column is it was just you and your inner
  • 33:54
    attitude you and your I actually showed
  • 33:56
    up as being banned in wonderous
  • 33:59
    discovery during one of these Microsoft
  • 34:03
    lawsuits mm-hmm and somebody sent me
  • 34:05
    that some pages from discovery this was
  • 34:08
    sort of discovery so great yes because
  • 34:10
    you can really get all the ducks and I
  • 34:12
    was listed on there as a guy that they
  • 34:14
    should be talking persona
  • 34:16
    grata yeah it's also banned by by Apple
  • 34:20
    I wrote a column about Steve that was a
  • 34:23
    pretty nasty column I was it was an info
  • 34:25
    world when I was there I wrote his calm
  • 34:27
    when Jobs quit Apple was rousted by
  • 34:30
    Scully right uh and I wrote and he's a
  • 34:34
    Josh was a jerk this one I wrote Steve
  • 34:38
    goodbye Steve Jobs good riddance I think
  • 34:41
    was the bad boy told me that they saw
  • 34:44
    that calm in his office into something
  • 34:48
    and I was banned I wouldn't get any
  • 34:50
    products I wouldn't get invited any
  • 34:52
    events who cares
  • 34:53
    to drive down to Cupertino anyway well
  • 34:56
    but but anyways but the best story was
  • 35:00
    Microsoft big advertiser of throwing
  • 35:03
    their weight around in Brazil they had a
  • 35:06
    piece of magazine Brazil and I would go
  • 35:08
    down there every so often cuz I wrote
  • 35:10
    for other magazines down there and I was
  • 35:14
    hanging out with the guy who was the
  • 35:15
    publisher and he said he said that
  • 35:18
    Microsoft came down there and said we
  • 35:21
    want we want 12-month advertising spread
  • 35:26
    and then a six-month advertising spread
  • 35:29
    for the next year and a half right and
  • 35:32
    it's a guy game of the the the rate card
  • 35:36
    he said in Microsoft guy the sales guy
  • 35:39
    goes no does this we're not paying
  • 35:41
    anything for these ads oh you just run
  • 35:44
    them so what are you talking about
  • 35:46
    running ads for free Susanoo
  • 35:48
    you run him because if you don't have
  • 35:50
    Microsoft ads in your magazine oh you're
  • 35:52
    not you sir you're not a real magazine
  • 35:54
    exactly exactly and I thought that was
  • 35:57
    fascinating that's a good one
  • 35:59
    like that well then so the point is I've
  • 36:02
    been around well and together we we read
  • 36:06
    pod show slash me view we learned
  • 36:09
    exactly how problem certainly in today's
  • 36:12
    environment where you have ad buying
  • 36:17
    networks you have auction based systems
  • 36:22
    where people go in and say okay well
  • 36:24
    yeah and it's it's what you'd expect it
  • 36:25
    to be it's what the promise always was
  • 36:27
    the promise was alright I want to get
  • 36:29
    twenty four thirty five-year-old they
  • 36:31
    want to have them interested in this and
  • 36:33
    just didn't that and get those the
  • 36:35
    eyeballs I want and then go ahead and
  • 36:37
    put it out there and of course this
  • 36:40
    would run on these networks it would run
  • 36:42
    on all kinds of scam sites
  • 36:44
    pop-unders popovers invisible down on
  • 36:46
    the page never saw it all kinds of bots
  • 36:50
    fake cliques fake views so much and then
  • 36:54
    the advertisers started to go yeah you
  • 36:57
    know I got a call from my client and he
  • 36:59
    saw his BMW ad running on this porn site
  • 37:02
    and you know so we have to control them
  • 37:04
    the ad networks had to clean up their
  • 37:05
    business because of course it's it the
  • 37:08
    the basic idea of you pay fifteen
  • 37:12
    dollars per thousand people that have
  • 37:14
    seen this click this read this heard
  • 37:16
    this etc that remains but when you have
  • 37:20
    everyone able to see all of the places
  • 37:23
    the advertising shows up and the brand
  • 37:25
    itself who has been promised a and here
  • 37:27
    it comes brand safe exposure and
  • 37:30
    experience they get very upset when in
  • 37:34
    fact at media we had this exact example
  • 37:35
    with BMW and it also ran on I think was
  • 37:38
    either Madge Weinstein's podcast and
  • 37:42
    just on the on the show page and Madge
  • 37:44
    Winston is the bloated lesbian from
  • 37:47
    Chicago and that they pulled the whole
  • 37:50
    campaign well you guys you how can we
  • 37:53
    how can we trust you how can you prove
  • 37:54
    to us that that will never happen again
  • 37:56
    and I think it consisted of me putting
  • 38:00
    on my MTV jacket and hair and going over
  • 38:03
    and blowing someone who's still
  • 38:04
    remembered and that's usually how we got
  • 38:06
    out of these things so we understand
  • 38:09
    this business and it's not as cut and
  • 38:11
    dry as you think it would be and and
  • 38:13
    this is where everyone is missing what
  • 38:15
    is really happening here and there's no
  • 38:17
    incentive for anyone to tell you exactly
  • 38:20
    what's happening except for the guys who
  • 38:22
    are no longer in the advertising
  • 38:24
    business that would be us now YouTube
  • 38:28
    it's it's they don't break it out per se
  • 38:30
    but I've looked at all the estimates
  • 38:32
    approximately eight billion dollars a
  • 38:35
    year in revenue comes in from YouTube
  • 38:39
    this is what we used to call them the
  • 38:41
    business
  • 38:42
    long tail revenue long tail and this is
  • 38:46
    the only model that was working this is
  • 38:50
    not hits the idea of having hits as in a
  • 38:54
    hit podcast network which as you know
  • 38:57
    I'm we proclaim that you cannot monetize
  • 39:00
    the network you cannot the only way to
  • 39:04
    do this is by running hundreds of
  • 39:06
    millions of ads on cat videos kids
  • 39:09
    dancing birthday parties you know that
  • 39:12
    kind of stuff that's YouTube's revenue
  • 39:15
    eight billion dollars a year now some
  • 39:18
    say five six I'm just gonna put it at
  • 39:20
    eight that sounds about right that's a
  • 39:22
    lot of money and it's not coming from
  • 39:24
    Crowder it's not coming from Joe Rogan
  • 39:27
    did pieces of that sure this is coming
  • 39:31
    from
  • 39:32
    huge huge volume the problem with huge
  • 39:36
    volume is if you don't have artificial
  • 39:39
    intelligence that can actually flag
  • 39:42
    objectionable content that an advertiser
  • 39:44
    would object to we just gave you all
  • 39:46
    these instances and examples you have to
  • 39:50
    employ people we know that there and all
  • 39:53
    these thousands of people are working on
  • 39:55
    checking uploads making sure all the
  • 39:57
    videos are brand safe and determining
  • 40:00
    whether they should have advertising
  • 40:02
    running against them or not which has
  • 40:04
    turned into this de monetizing term
  • 40:08
    which is completely disingenuous and not
  • 40:11
    what's really happened we talked about
  • 40:13
    this on the last show so the bad PR is a
  • 40:19
    problem and it's a huge problem if it's
  • 40:23
    systemic so just reading from this
  • 40:27
    article that came out today just so you
  • 40:31
    know where the New York Times is coming
  • 40:33
    from the New York Times has an agenda in
  • 40:35
    this and it's not reporting it is an
  • 40:37
    agenda of grabbing the advertisers from
  • 40:41
    YouTube as much as they can get and
  • 40:43
    every everyone who reports on this
  • 40:45
    controversy in the way that they have
  • 40:46
    been as a left/right censorship
  • 40:49
    conservativism bias it's not the bottom
  • 40:52
    line
  • 40:53
    follow the money eight billion dollars
  • 40:55
    and
  • 40:56
    just YouTube if alienation was one
  • 40:58
    ingredient in mr. Cain's radicalization
  • 41:00
    this is from the New York Times and
  • 41:02
    persuasive partisans like mr. Mullin you
  • 41:04
    were another the third was a series of
  • 41:06
    product decisions YouTube made starting
  • 41:08
    back in 2012 this is the genesis of how
  • 41:11
    we got here today in March of 2012
  • 41:13
    YouTube's engineers made an update to
  • 41:15
    the site's recommendations algorithm for
  • 41:17
    years the algorithm had been programmed
  • 41:19
    to maximize views by showing users
  • 41:21
    videos that were likely they were likely
  • 41:22
    to click on but creators had learned to
  • 41:27
    game the system inflating their views by
  • 41:29
    posting videos with exaggerated titles
  • 41:31
    or choosing salacious thumbnail images
  • 41:33
    in response YouTube's executives
  • 41:36
    announced that the recommendation
  • 41:37
    algorithm would give more weight to
  • 41:39
    watch time rather than views that way
  • 41:41
    creators would be encouraged to make
  • 41:43
    videos that users would finish users
  • 41:46
    would be more satisfied with and you too
  • 41:47
    would be able to show more ads this is
  • 41:51
    what this story is about a month after
  • 41:54
    its algorithmic week YouTube changed
  • 41:55
    rules to allow all video creators to run
  • 41:57
    ads alongside their videos and eat a
  • 41:59
    portion of the revenue they generated
  • 42:01
    previously only popular channels that
  • 42:04
    had been vetted by YouTube were able to
  • 42:07
    run ads very key difference they went
  • 42:10
    away from the vetting to the unvetted
  • 42:13
    the new algorithm worked well but it
  • 42:15
    wasn't perfect one problem according to
  • 42:17
    several of the current and former
  • 42:18
    YouTube employees is that the artificial
  • 42:20
    intelligence tended to pigeonhole users
  • 42:22
    into specific niches recommending videos
  • 42:25
    that were similar to ones they had
  • 42:26
    already watched eventually users got
  • 42:28
    bored Google brain researchers I guess
  • 42:32
    that's a division wondered if they could
  • 42:34
    keep YouTube users engaged for longer by
  • 42:36
    steering them into different parts of
  • 42:37
    YouTube and so this is where this
  • 42:39
    article takes an interesting turn and
  • 42:41
    starts to talk about reinforcement
  • 42:44
    learning this was their their new
  • 42:46
    algorithm reinforce a huge success and I
  • 42:50
    what luck I watched this talk at an AI
  • 42:53
    conference in February
  • 42:54
    min min Chen the Google brain researcher
  • 42:57
    said it was YouTube's most successful
  • 42:59
    launch in two years site wide views
  • 43:00
    increased by nearly 1% a gain that a
  • 43:03
    youtube scale could amount to millions
  • 43:05
    more hours of daily watch time and
  • 43:06
    millions more dollars in advertising
  • 43:08
    Nupur year she added that the out new
  • 43:11
    algorithm was already starting to alter
  • 43:13
    users behavior we can really leave users
  • 43:16
    towards a different state versus
  • 43:17
    recommending content that is familiar so
  • 43:19
    it was very popular
  • 43:20
    lots of people watched but they were
  • 43:22
    going towards areas that this article
  • 43:24
    says claims was all this bad shit
  • 43:27
    bad people all right Nazis KKK quadroons
  • 43:32
    the whole thing is just bad why are they
  • 43:35
    saying this because the advertisers have
  • 43:37
    become very wary YouTube and Google
  • 43:40
    isn't in an incredibly precarious
  • 43:42
    situation and I shall explain one month
  • 43:45
    ago the up fronts were held in mainly in
  • 43:49
    New York
  • 43:50
    John you wanna explain the television
  • 43:52
    upfront process whether the executives
  • 43:55
    going up in front of all the advertisers
  • 43:58
    and and affiliates depending could be
  • 44:02
    affiliates or advertisers or both and
  • 44:04
    they give them the spiel for their
  • 44:08
    upcoming season and what they're gonna
  • 44:11
    do and where the strengths are gonna be
  • 44:12
    in where the week this is gonna be what
  • 44:14
    they're gonna look for and to fill these
  • 44:16
    slots advertising slots and how they're
  • 44:18
    gonna make so much money I'm gonna beat
  • 44:19
    the crap out of the other networks they
  • 44:20
    really got it they really got it figured
  • 44:22
    out I think just like that so we have
  • 44:25
    the examine that thing probably started
  • 44:26
    with Yahoo years ago Terry Semel and the
  • 44:29
    Hollywood guy they started doing their
  • 44:31
    own content we're gonna be just like
  • 44:33
    television we're gonna be better well
  • 44:34
    today that day is here and YouTube is
  • 44:37
    coming in as a as a television provider
  • 44:41
    so this is just from one month ago TV
  • 44:44
    networks came out with a strong message
  • 44:46
    as they courted advertisers at the
  • 44:48
    annual upfront presentations in New York
  • 44:49
    this week digital may be hot and growing
  • 44:52
    like crazy but TV can provide a brand
  • 44:55
    safe space for ads as the tech world
  • 44:58
    grapples with a series of privacy
  • 45:00
    scandals and abuses of their platforms
  • 45:04
    and this of course is a CNBC article
  • 45:07
    these are all mainstream companies who
  • 45:10
    want to fuck Google for a number of
  • 45:13
    reasons the main one being well it's all
  • 45:17
    of the dull of Silicon Valley but right
  • 45:19
    now we're just focusing on YouTube makes
  • 45:21
    it easier companies including CBS Disney
  • 45:24
    FOX NBC Universal and Warner Media
  • 45:26
    pitched advertisers on their programming
  • 45:27
    and promise of their own upcoming
  • 45:29
    streaming services just two weeks after
  • 45:32
    many of the digital players like YouTube
  • 45:34
    and Hulu courted the same advertisers at
  • 45:37
    the news fronts presentations the
  • 45:40
    network's positioned their own offerings
  • 45:42
    as bigger and safer than the challenges
  • 45:45
    are starting to see what's happening if
  • 45:47
    you want to take these billions of
  • 45:49
    dollars in advertisement away from your
  • 45:51
    competitor it behooves you to do news
  • 45:54
    stories about controversies involving
  • 45:58
    left-right Trump the orange man bad
  • 46:01
    anything controversial anything
  • 46:04
    advertisers will walk away from that
  • 46:07
    particularly today's media buyers who
  • 46:09
    are 20-somethings they don't give a crap
  • 46:11
    they just don't want to get in trouble
  • 46:13
    they can probably get a couple of floor
  • 46:16
    seats for a game if they you know take
  • 46:18
    business from this particular advertiser
  • 46:20
    they're not gonna put their their their
  • 46:22
    ass on the line for some place where
  • 46:24
    some guy is you know he's he's calling
  • 46:27
    this guy bliss peak we're you know yeah
  • 46:31
    it's all cool and YouTube's left them on
  • 46:33
    I took away as well they took away his
  • 46:34
    ad but still it could slip into
  • 46:36
    something could it be some other person
  • 46:37
    was doing like that I'm a little bit
  • 46:39
    worried couple other articles so the
  • 46:42
    title of that was TV networks pitched
  • 46:44
    brand safety streaming to advertisers at
  • 46:47
    upfront here is the next article and
  • 46:51
    this was just once and this is all this
  • 46:54
    is Reuters and this is uh this from yeah
  • 46:58
    May 13th three years ago the beginning
  • 47:01
    of the end of the US television business
  • 47:03
    looks certain when one of the largest ad
  • 47:04
    buying agencies vowed to move a big
  • 47:06
    chunk of its purchases to YouTube from
  • 47:08
    TV budgets let me repeat that this is an
  • 47:11
    ROI turd article
  • 47:14
    it looks certain when one of the largest
  • 47:17
    ad buying agencies vowed to move a big
  • 47:19
    chunk of its purchases to YouTube from
  • 47:21
    TV budgets the TV business did not die
  • 47:25
    far from it instead data compiled from
  • 47:27
    ad tracking by ad tracking for a media
  • 47:30
    radar at Reuters requests showed some
  • 47:31
    advertisers are spending more on
  • 47:33
    television networks online properties
  • 47:35
    and less on alphabet inks video service
  • 47:38
    that data partially explains why
  • 47:41
    Google's parent had its lowest quarterly
  • 47:43
    revenue growth in three years no I
  • 47:47
    didn't mean to do that mean to hit the
  • 47:48
    ding
  • 47:49
    this isn't when you're talking eight
  • 47:52
    billion dollars just from YouTube alone
  • 47:54
    this gets people's attention this week
  • 47:57
    the big US TV networks plan to drive the
  • 47:59
    knife further into digital rivals
  • 48:01
    repeating the phrase brand safety and
  • 48:04
    exploiting YouTube's struggle to curb
  • 48:06
    unsuitable content during the upfront
  • 48:09
    ad sales period when TV networks preview
  • 48:12
    the fall season for advertisers on stage
  • 48:16
    and in private meetings against from
  • 48:18
    Comcast corpse NBC Universal CBS Corp
  • 48:21
    Viacom say they are pitching themselves
  • 48:23
    as one-stop shops because they have
  • 48:25
    viewers on TV their own streaming
  • 48:27
    services and their own streaming
  • 48:29
    services I think it's I don't have to
  • 48:33
    beat this horse anymore that the
  • 48:36
    mainstream outfits are creating as much
  • 48:41
    panic and controversy and highlighting
  • 48:44
    as many different controversies as
  • 48:46
    possible to screw these guys into
  • 48:48
    oblivion who have been eating their
  • 48:50
    lunch this is and is it a coincidence
  • 48:52
    that these things happened a month ago
  • 48:54
    in the past month this is where we've
  • 48:57
    seen all the stepped-up D platforming D
  • 49:00
    monetization which begs the question to
  • 49:03
    me what took them so long they're idiots
  • 49:08
    they are who's worked in broadcasting
  • 49:12
    with it and you can anybody out there
  • 49:14
    who's worked in broadcasting knows that
  • 49:16
    you you constantly talk about the
  • 49:19
    management of radio station being the
  • 49:21
    dumbest guys in the world and the
  • 49:23
    management of televisions doing the
  • 49:26
    dumbest guys in the world and then
  • 49:27
    people go back from television to radio
  • 49:30
    and back and forth well you know I think
  • 49:31
    that radio guys are dumber than the TV
  • 49:34
    guy so no I think the TV guys are dumber
  • 49:36
    but there's a theme there's a constant
  • 49:38
    theme they're all dumb and they're
  • 49:42
    scared and this is this is the it's so
  • 49:46
    it's really disgusting
  • 49:48
    that they are hiding their their revenue
  • 49:51
    quest and actually propagating
  • 49:55
    derisively havior amongst the public by
  • 50:00
    making it all-seeing that
  • 50:02
    censorship it's it's you know it's
  • 50:05
    left-right it's the Silicon Valley bias
  • 50:08
    you know what it is it's the bias of
  • 50:11
    advertising executives it's the it's the
  • 50:13
    fear and bias of the well advertisers
  • 50:19
    themselves because of contrib it doesn't
  • 50:22
    matter what the controversy is but this
  • 50:24
    is an easy one all you have to do is
  • 50:26
    that guys alright boom done I don't want
  • 50:29
    to advertise on them you know why
  • 50:30
    because one little thing could happen
  • 50:32
    we've shown you examples of what can
  • 50:34
    happen Alex Jones this has been going on
  • 50:38
    for a long time and they're disingenuous
  • 50:41
    and everyone including Glenn Greenwald
  • 50:44
    is buying into that they're sitting
  • 50:46
    there making decisions oh let's get rid
  • 50:50
    of this Crowder guy because he's all
  • 50:52
    right first of all they didn't get rid
  • 50:55
    of him they D monetized him which means
  • 50:58
    you know what we like the million views
  • 51:00
    you get so we don't want any ads running
  • 51:03
    on it but we like that our algorithms
  • 51:04
    can make people click on stuff where we
  • 51:06
    do have ads running so that's how how
  • 51:09
    blame it really is that they can't even
  • 51:12
    admit to that but they don't give a shit
  • 51:14
    they'll take anybody off in a heartbeat
  • 51:17
    eight billion dollars in revenue doesn't
  • 51:19
    come from a couple of big hits it
  • 51:21
    doesn't work that way in my you cannot
  • 51:24
    monetize the network is going to come
  • 51:26
    true because you cannot monetize the
  • 51:28
    long tail either it's turning out
  • 51:30
    because you can't police the content in
  • 51:34
    Google and I mean right now you see
  • 51:38
    Twitter Twitter it it has turned on some
  • 51:40
    algorithmic deletion tools and you can't
  • 51:44
    have a conversation on Twitter anymore
  • 51:46
    you'll go to someone and you've seen
  • 51:48
    this in your timeline John you see
  • 51:50
    there's like someone tweet something you
  • 51:52
    go into the thread and it's like deleted
  • 51:54
    deleted not available not available and
  • 51:56
    these have all been removed so they've
  • 51:58
    broken their actual service you cannot
  • 52:01
    you can't you can't read a thread
  • 52:03
    anymore because it has to be removed for
  • 52:06
    advertiser safety well I'm going to make
  • 52:12
    a prediction
  • 52:15
    not about what you were gonna say which
  • 52:16
    is pretty much what I thought you've I
  • 52:18
    knew you would I knew you know I was
  • 52:19
    gonna do them first of all and I wrote
  • 52:22
    about this in PC Magazine online and
  • 52:25
    probably a year ago Facebook and I'm
  • 52:28
    throwing them in Twitter YouTube
  • 52:32
    everybody all those guys all the social
  • 52:35
    networks with maybe the exception of
  • 52:38
    linked in but even though they're kind
  • 52:40
    of kind of falling into it too with
  • 52:42
    their little articles and crap that they
  • 52:45
    publish there yeah for free these people
  • 52:49
    are not just did they're not an open
  • 52:52
    sewer well they are an open sewer but
  • 52:54
    that's not what I'm referring to they
  • 52:56
    are technically publishers in every way
  • 53:00
    I see no reason to think otherwise mhm
  • 53:03
    and they do editing and they kick people
  • 53:06
    off an ad they reject certain things so
  • 53:08
    this is all part of the publishing game
  • 53:09
    that's what you do when you're a
  • 53:10
    publisher they don't want to take full
  • 53:12
    responsibility because there are some
  • 53:14
    legal limits to what you can do and not
  • 53:16
    doing you can get sued in certain ways
  • 53:18
    because especially when you have the big
  • 53:20
    deep pockets of these monstrous
  • 53:21
    companies if they do I mean Google
  • 53:23
    alphabet that's where I think they've
  • 53:25
    been trying to divvy the company up in
  • 53:27
    different ways so they can you know have
  • 53:29
    a good so they could be liable only in a
  • 53:33
    kind of a pocketed area but it did at
  • 53:35
    the point where they you have to finally
  • 53:37
    bite the bullet and say okay we're
  • 53:39
    publishers they are going to take these
  • 53:41
    people that made lots of money on
  • 53:43
    YouTube like there are people who have
  • 53:46
    made a million dollars a year mm-hmm
  • 53:49
    sure though it's possible a lot of it is
  • 53:51
    fraud and there's been articles about
  • 53:53
    that and by the way did we to do
  • 53:55
    piggyback on what you just discussed if
  • 53:57
    you go back to last year the 2000 2018
  • 54:01
    blade the year starting probably in
  • 54:03
    October there were a lot of New York
  • 54:06
    Times articles and you can look them up
  • 54:08
    in fact you can go do a search on fake
  • 54:10
    YouTube views yes you'll find that there
  • 54:13
    was a article after article starting
  • 54:15
    actually it even started in 2015
  • 54:17
    according to this little list I have
  • 54:19
    here where it they've named name saying
  • 54:23
    these are fake views and I've known
  • 54:25
    about this and you've known about it and
  • 54:26
    they still rack them
  • 54:28
    and this was supposed to be the scandal
  • 54:30
    that was gonna pull the rug out from
  • 54:31
    under the youtubers and everyone else
  • 54:34
    that had advertising support the
  • 54:37
    advertisers are another group that's
  • 54:39
    kind of stupid and they paid no
  • 54:40
    attention to these articles and that's
  • 54:42
    when the the worm turned and they had to
  • 54:44
    take this other tact which is the
  • 54:46
    article that Yorkin talking about and
  • 54:48
    that seems to be working well their
  • 54:51
    words screwing the youtubers and these
  • 54:54
    other people on behalf of the old line
  • 54:56
    and publishers dia that it's all fraud
  • 55:00
    didn't work so now we got this other
  • 55:03
    censorship thing going on it that seems
  • 55:05
    to be working and in fact there was I
  • 55:11
    just want to discuss section 230 before
  • 55:14
    for a moment because this is this is
  • 55:16
    what gives what indemnifies these
  • 55:20
    companies from being sued for under tort
  • 55:23
    law libel etc there was a an interesting
  • 55:27
    article about Google and they were I
  • 55:32
    mean with Google's at Facebook and they
  • 55:34
    were arguing in court
  • 55:38
    let me see if I can find this here about
  • 55:42
    whether they had the right to do this or
  • 55:45
    not and they actually they will here we
  • 55:47
    go the internet Association which
  • 55:48
    represents Facebook Google Twitter and
  • 55:50
    other major platforms claims that
  • 55:51
    section 230 is necessary for these firms
  • 55:54
    to quote provide forums and tools for
  • 55:57
    the public to engage in a wide variety
  • 55:59
    of activities that the First Amendment
  • 56:01
    protects but rather than facilitate free
  • 56:04
    speech Silicon Valley now uses section
  • 56:06
    230 to justify censorship leading to a
  • 56:09
    legal policy model for instance in
  • 56:11
    response to a lawsuit challenging its
  • 56:13
    speech policies Google claimed that
  • 56:16
    restricting its right to censor would
  • 56:18
    quote impose liability on YouTube as a
  • 56:21
    publisher in the same motion Google
  • 56:25
    argues that it's right to restrict
  • 56:27
    political content also derives from its
  • 56:29
    First Amendment protection for a
  • 56:31
    publishers editorial judgments so on one
  • 56:35
    hand they say we're not a publisher on
  • 56:37
    the other hand they say we need to have
  • 56:39
    the rights of publishers and I went
  • 56:41
    to look at section 230 and I've always
  • 56:44
    thought that it was kind of the
  • 56:45
    distinction between publisher or
  • 56:47
    platform it's not this thing was written
  • 56:51
    in 1996 pass during Bill Clinton's reign
  • 56:54
    and there's you need two definitions one
  • 56:58
    what is an interactive computer service
  • 57:00
    which means any information service
  • 57:03
    system were accessed software provider
  • 57:04
    that provides or enables computer access
  • 57:06
    by multiple users to a computer server
  • 57:08
    specifically including a service or
  • 57:11
    system that provides access to the
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    Internet and such systems operated or
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    services offered by libraries or
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    educational institutions which is just a
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    comparison not a requirement and then
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    the information content provider
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    definition needs any person or entity
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    that is responsible in whole or in part
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    for the creation or development of
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    information provided through the
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    internet or interactive computer service
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    and here is the main part of the law
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    that no provider or user important of an
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    interactive computer service shall be
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    treated as the publisher or speaker of
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    any information provided by another
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    information content provider meaning
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    youtube/google
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    anyone where you post your stuff what we
  • 57:58
    used to call user-generated that's
  • 58:00
    that's your problem right off the bat no
  • 58:02
    matter what it is cannot be held liable
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    yeah on the account up no here we go no
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    provider or user of an interactive
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    computer service shall be held liable on
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    the account of two cases any action
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    voluntarily taken in good faith to
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    restrict access to or availability of
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    material that the provider or user
  • 58:29
    considers to be obscene lewd lascivious
  • 58:31
    filthy excessively violent harassing or
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    otherwise objectionable whether or not
  • 58:38
    such material is constitutionally
  • 58:40
    protected or
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    cannot be held liable by any action
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    taken to e Nate to enable or make
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    available to information content
  • 58:50
    providers or others technical means to
  • 58:52
    restrict access to material described in
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    paragraph one so it doesn't matter what
  • 58:59
    they are it doesn't matter they have the
  • 59:02
    right to cut to restrict to do whatever
  • 59:04
    they want and so do you apparently cuz
  • 59:08
    you know it's user and provider so
  • 59:11
    there's no way that publisher or
  • 59:13
    anything else comes into play here yet
  • 59:15
    unless they are authoring the content
  • 59:19
    now you can argue that that an algorithm
  • 59:23
    rights or restructuring signo has made
  • 59:28
    that argument but it's an interesting
  • 59:29
    well I think I could make the argument
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    yeah I think that you mention it it's
  • 59:34
    not a bad argument to make it's they
  • 59:35
    have algorithms doing anything they are
  • 59:38
    then authoring I believe that to be true
  • 59:40
    if you have an algorithm that can drive
  • 59:42
    a car it can probably write an article
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    of course we know neither one the point
  • 59:46
    is is that these guys are publishers and
  • 59:49
    someday this will be recognized in yes
  • 59:52
    law and they will and the prediction I
  • 59:55
    was gonna make is that at some point
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    they're gonna get a clue and realize
  • 59:58
    that as publishers which they really are
  • 1:00:00
    anyway that they don't have to do this
  • 1:00:04
    piece of the action business with these
  • 1:00:05
    people that are getting a million
  • 1:00:06
    dollars a year at all they can just say
  • 1:00:10
    hey we'll give you a $50,000 just keep
  • 1:00:12
    doing what you're doing
  • 1:00:13
    ya know it is ya know ads just do
  • 1:00:17
    whatever you're doing so we can have
  • 1:00:19
    people click other places fred's but I
  • 1:00:20
    think that's pretty limited because
  • 1:00:22
    again it is the controversy that sets
  • 1:00:26
    advertisers off and it's being exploited
  • 1:00:28
    by the mainstream who are trying to get
  • 1:00:31
    those advertisers sure and and finally
  • 1:00:34
    got a clue it forever the mainstream
  • 1:00:36
    someone promoting these things why are
  • 1:00:39
    you guys promoting this I used to do
  • 1:00:41
    this yes
  • 1:00:43
    PC Magazine would continually without be
  • 1:00:45
    any advertisers even taking part because
  • 1:00:48
    Microsoft never advertised they kept
  • 1:00:50
    promoting Microsoft products and I said
  • 1:00:54
    why aren't we promoting all the
  • 1:00:56
    competitor
  • 1:00:56
    to Microsoft right because that will
  • 1:00:59
    keep us in business in the future
  • 1:01:01
    because you'll have a lot of different
  • 1:01:02
    people that can advertise it'll be a
  • 1:01:04
    richer environment now now Microsoft
  • 1:01:06
    makes a pretty good the word get more
  • 1:01:09
    promotion you know we had one time there
  • 1:01:11
    was like maybe six or seven good word
  • 1:01:13
    processors out there they all boil down
  • 1:01:15
    to word there's nothing out there now
  • 1:01:17
    this is really competitive
  • 1:01:18
    remember jazz the Lotus jazz could never
  • 1:01:26
    quite get it copy so the part that I
  • 1:01:32
    take offense to is the mainstream who
  • 1:01:35
    are disingenuously highlighting divisive
  • 1:01:40
    arguments for their own benefit to take
  • 1:01:46
    the advertise to scare advertisers away
  • 1:01:49
    from doing business with Silicon Valley
  • 1:01:50
    I think they're doing a lot of damage to
  • 1:01:53
    the to public discourse in the process
  • 1:01:57
    of that and I think that's that's a
  • 1:01:59
    egregious to me and so I'd like to
  • 1:02:01
    suggest a way to break them and I've
  • 1:02:04
    always been a radical is this there's an
  • 1:02:07
    inherent flaw they have a flaw all of
  • 1:02:09
    these companies have a flaw that can be
  • 1:02:11
    exploited and will bring them to their
  • 1:02:12
    knees interested I am but I first I want
  • 1:02:18
    to kind of really up or kind of back you
  • 1:02:20
    up with this would look at this front
  • 1:02:22
    page of the New York Times and just tell
  • 1:02:24
    you what the headlines are how can a I
  • 1:02:27
    be weaponized to spread disinformation
  • 1:02:31
    they are the same thing this is this
  • 1:02:33
    article shows up right under the making
  • 1:02:36
    of a YouTube radical which is what you
  • 1:02:38
    were talking about which also had a kind
  • 1:02:40
    of a overhead it had like a section
  • 1:02:44
    named extremism online Oh perfect you
  • 1:02:50
    have wires and then another when the
  • 1:02:52
    editorial board is writing an editor
  • 1:02:53
    why's America so far behind Europe on
  • 1:02:56
    digital privacy yep yep so the whole
  • 1:03:00
    thing is like targeting targeting the
  • 1:03:02
    tech community so what's your thick
  • 1:03:05
    what's your thesis every company
  • 1:03:09
    Facebook
  • 1:03:10
    well the ones that matter Facebook
  • 1:03:12
    Twitter Google or YouTube in this case
  • 1:03:16
    and Google has a pretty damn good
  • 1:03:18
    business with search they are now
  • 1:03:21
    they've been put on notice they now have
  • 1:03:24
    to make sure that everything that's
  • 1:03:27
    uploaded that could possibly have ads if
  • 1:03:29
    I cannot even do it that you're saying
  • 1:03:31
    ad yes or no that's probably what
  • 1:03:32
    they're looking at this point when you
  • 1:03:36
    report something on Google Facebook or
  • 1:03:39
    Twitter if you report it with hate
  • 1:03:42
    speech which cannot be evaluated by
  • 1:03:47
    artificial intelligence and is not being
  • 1:03:49
    evaluated by artificial intelligence
  • 1:03:51
    from all reports I've read that has to
  • 1:03:54
    go to human being report everything as
  • 1:03:59
    hate speech every video every tweet we
  • 1:04:03
    need scripts we need browser extensions
  • 1:04:06
    everything needs to be reported as hate
  • 1:04:10
    speech it will bring these companies
  • 1:04:12
    down they will not be able to handle the
  • 1:04:16
    volume it will it will create backlogs
  • 1:04:19
    who will create anger it will create
  • 1:04:21
    people not understanding it will bring
  • 1:04:24
    them down now of course that means we
  • 1:04:26
    get you know mainstream companies is our
  • 1:04:28
    it'll definitely did not understand it
  • 1:04:30
    because if you got a new alert comes
  • 1:04:32
    through your desk and you get to look at
  • 1:04:34
    it and somebody says hate speech you'd
  • 1:04:36
    have to watch the whole they gotta watch
  • 1:04:38
    the whole thing and then you'd have to
  • 1:04:39
    try to say what where's the hate speech
  • 1:04:42
    probably have to watch it again this is
  • 1:04:46
    you could really screw up the system no
  • 1:04:47
    no not could it has to happen it is the
  • 1:04:51
    it is the look professor Ted calls you
  • 1:04:55
    he calls on you to stop the tech
  • 1:04:59
    revolution slow it down this is if it
  • 1:05:03
    wasn't for the it being it being very
  • 1:05:07
    divisive in culture and people getting
  • 1:05:09
    very angry at each other and fueled by
  • 1:05:11
    this fight about for their dollars I
  • 1:05:15
    wouldn't care that much but now we just
  • 1:05:17
    have to wait gotta kill him you gotta
  • 1:05:19
    kill them all
  • 1:05:20
    everything everything you see even from
  • 1:05:23
    me you see a tweet from me a video
  • 1:05:24
    reported hate speech everything that's
  • 1:05:29
    the way and it'll get bogged down they
  • 1:05:31
    will freak out they won't know what to
  • 1:05:32
    do yeah well I look at the I know the
  • 1:05:41
    only time you get attention from the
  • 1:05:43
    Twitter when you report mm-hmm is if you
  • 1:05:46
    put abusive against a group or them into
  • 1:05:49
    certain kinds of things let me check
  • 1:05:51
    quick party exercise the system right
  • 1:05:54
    now I look at Twitter and see you and
  • 1:05:57
    report something for example I'll just
  • 1:05:58
    boot it up which I can do now and I will
  • 1:06:02
    look at now let's just take any old
  • 1:06:07
    random thing here here's some from split
  • 1:06:09
    they don't like them so I'm gonna go
  • 1:06:12
    click and I was gonna go report tweet
  • 1:06:15
    and now it's gonna say I'm not
  • 1:06:18
    interested in this tweet which doesn't
  • 1:06:19
    mean anything is suspicious or spam it
  • 1:06:21
    displays a sensitive image is abusive
  • 1:06:24
    allure or harmful you probably have to
  • 1:06:28
    click on its abusive and then when you
  • 1:06:30
    do that it goes to it's disrespectful
  • 1:06:33
    dad no big deal contains private
  • 1:06:35
    information getting who's targeted
  • 1:06:37
    harassment directs and this is the big
  • 1:06:39
    one
  • 1:06:40
    directs hate that's what you're talkin
  • 1:06:42
    to ya hate against a protected category
  • 1:06:45
    that's what you'd click on I think if
  • 1:06:48
    you also clicked on threatening violence
  • 1:06:50
    or physical harm that would probably
  • 1:06:52
    help a little bit but ok you got it in
  • 1:06:55
    this you have to be careful because
  • 1:06:56
    couraging a suicide yeah you're going to
  • 1:06:59
    eventually get to get kicked off by
  • 1:07:02
    doing this too much cuz you know if you
  • 1:07:05
    report if you report fraudulently do it
  • 1:07:08
    quite a bit
  • 1:07:08
    yeah but not fraudulently no no mine are
  • 1:07:12
    all legit of course obviously um but
  • 1:07:17
    hated hate speech yeah it's like that's
  • 1:07:19
    pretty it's pretty open for
  • 1:07:20
    interpretation yeah you could do it a
  • 1:07:23
    few times everyone could do it a few
  • 1:07:24
    times without getting kicked off keep
  • 1:07:27
    them busy
  • 1:07:30
    holiness chained to the show and they'll
  • 1:07:32
    kick you off pretty protected I've got
  • 1:07:36
    the check mark you've got the mark of
  • 1:07:40
    the beast is what you've got you are
  • 1:07:42
    anything but protected they've been
  • 1:07:44
    waiting to kick your ass off for a long
  • 1:07:46
    time one misstep Dvorak we run verifying
  • 1:07:50
    you it's like taking you away your
  • 1:07:51
    personality I don't know who's ever been
  • 1:07:54
    unverified verification it has happened
  • 1:07:58
    to like a knighting it has happened yes
  • 1:08:01
    it has happened to people that the check
  • 1:08:03
    mark got taken away what is it what what
  • 1:08:06
    is the point the verifications is there
  • 1:08:08
    for a purpose not it's to mean that the
  • 1:08:11
    person that says who they say they are
  • 1:08:13
    are who they are they they unverified
  • 1:08:15
    Milo you nah police before they kicked
  • 1:08:18
    him off which was funny we laughed about
  • 1:08:20
    it I don't remember them on verifying is
  • 1:08:24
    yes they unverified him well that makes
  • 1:08:27
    zero sense yeah that's a fact if he's
  • 1:08:30
    not verified then it stopped maybe it's
  • 1:08:32
    not Milo and they won't would they kick
  • 1:08:34
    him off they're kicking off some random
  • 1:08:35
    guy it doesn't make that of course it
  • 1:08:38
    doesn't make their own Terms of Service
  • 1:08:42
    report them for hate speech divorce shut
  • 1:08:44
    down before we go to our break since we
  • 1:08:48
    took a little time on that I've some new
  • 1:08:51
    information that I'd like to report
  • 1:08:53
    regarding the Boeing 737 max 8 you know
  • 1:08:59
    these problems with em Cass software
  • 1:09:02
    that's the you know we've kind of been
  • 1:09:04
    through this how they they changed the
  • 1:09:07
    aircraft didn't make the changes clear
  • 1:09:11
    to pilots you know didn't really
  • 1:09:12
    document them the way they could have
  • 1:09:14
    been and then with one faulty sensor all
  • 1:09:18
    kinds of things when haywire and 346
  • 1:09:20
    people died in two of these aircraft now
  • 1:09:23
    when Obama was president the FAA
  • 1:09:26
    certification system the ODA
  • 1:09:30
    organization designation authorization
  • 1:09:32
    program was being pushed very hard by
  • 1:09:35
    the administration to in a to fast-track
  • 1:09:40
    sales of Boeing and to push through
  • 1:09:43
    push the the pipeline as fast as
  • 1:09:45
    possible under the program companies
  • 1:09:48
    like Boeing were able to appoint their
  • 1:09:50
    own representatives to act instead of
  • 1:09:53
    the FAA inspectors and I don't know if
  • 1:09:57
    we talked about it in that to that
  • 1:09:59
    degree at the time this was taking place
  • 1:10:01
    at the time it took place we've talked
  • 1:10:04
    about it since a little bit I mean it
  • 1:10:05
    was a big complaint that they're given
  • 1:10:07
    was pointing the finger at Boeing
  • 1:10:08
    inspectors well in fact this put Boeing
  • 1:10:11
    themselves in charge of certifying their
  • 1:10:14
    software right and I want to play a
  • 1:10:18
    quick clip here from Obama as he was I
  • 1:10:23
    think well it's it's not really
  • 1:10:26
    important exactly what he was signing
  • 1:10:27
    it's what he says I want to say make us
  • 1:10:30
    a special note to some of the small
  • 1:10:31
    businesses that have been represented
  • 1:10:33
    here because what we've seen is that
  • 1:10:36
    when small and medium-sized businesses
  • 1:10:39
    can can cut through the red tape and
  • 1:10:41
    understand how to export actually they
  • 1:10:43
    can compete pretty well and that's an
  • 1:10:45
    area where we can make make significant
  • 1:10:48
    progress obviously big companies like
  • 1:10:51
    Xerox our Boeing we want to keep on
  • 1:10:52
    growing them because small businesses
  • 1:10:54
    are you know up and down the supply
  • 1:10:57
    chain and our when when we sell a a
  • 1:11:01
    bunch of airplanes a lot of small
  • 1:11:03
    businesses and medium-sized businesses
  • 1:11:05
    are benefiting from that as well but I
  • 1:11:08
    am very enthusiastic about this I think
  • 1:11:11
    Jim at least will confirm that I'm happy
  • 1:11:15
    to go out and make sales huh I'm
  • 1:11:16
    expecting a gold watch
  • 1:11:20
    from Boeing at the end of my presidency
  • 1:11:22
    because I know that I'm on the on the
  • 1:11:26
    list of top salesmen at Boeing and
  • 1:11:30
    indeed Boeing donated ten million
  • 1:11:33
    dollars to the Obama Presidential
  • 1:11:35
    Library in Chicago but who cares people
  • 1:11:38
    dead doesn't matter thanks for the gold
  • 1:11:40
    watch everybody it's a pretty expensive
  • 1:11:44
    gold watch yeah he just said it you
  • 1:11:48
    imagine if any other President had said
  • 1:11:49
    that I want a gold watch I'm the best
  • 1:11:52
    Boeing salesman I think Trump says he's
  • 1:11:56
    the best Boeing salesman often but he's
  • 1:11:58
    never asked for a gold watch and and
  • 1:12:03
    people died because of the
  • 1:12:04
    administration's policies of having is
  • 1:12:07
    just like the FDA having the companies
  • 1:12:11
    themselves police themselves what the
  • 1:12:13
    hell are we paying you to bring jamokes
  • 1:12:14
    for yeah what's the point
  • 1:12:16
    yeah it's called collusion with that I'd
  • 1:12:21
    like to thank you for your courage say
  • 1:12:23
    in the morning to you the man who put
  • 1:12:24
    the C in commercial D platforming John C
  • 1:12:34
    in the morning to the trolls in the
  • 1:12:36
    troll room no agenda stream comm is
  • 1:12:40
    where you can always participate in the
  • 1:12:43
    conversation that goes on there and you
  • 1:12:46
    can listen to the stream it is there's
  • 1:12:47
    always something interesting on the
  • 1:12:49
    stream last night but what do you have
  • 1:12:51
    Nick the rat last night I don't think we
  • 1:12:52
    had Nick I think he's still in Ireland
  • 1:12:53
    this morning before the show started
  • 1:12:55
    Darren oh this thing there's great music
  • 1:12:58
    there's pot safe music there's talk to
  • 1:13:00
    walk then there's trolling going on no
  • 1:13:02
    agenda stream comm also in the morning -
  • 1:13:05
    Darren O'Neill there's his name twice in
  • 1:13:08
    one show he brought us the artwork for
  • 1:13:10
    episode 1145 1144 sort a title of that
  • 1:13:14
    and that was a Thursday show was climate
  • 1:13:17
    optimist and it was a you know we went
  • 1:13:21
    for the cheap laughs homeless hookers
  • 1:13:23
    was the artwork it was just good
  • 1:13:27
    keep laughs if especially was done
  • 1:13:29
    artistically is always a winner there
  • 1:13:31
    was something else we were going to
  • 1:13:32
    mention about the artwork was there
  • 1:13:35
    something else we're gonna say well we
  • 1:13:37
    we're gonna talk about yes we were gonna
  • 1:13:39
    say something do you remember what I
  • 1:13:41
    don't remember what it was we talked
  • 1:13:42
    about these things after the show and
  • 1:13:43
    the post-mortem and then we never talked