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1146: Googers

Adam Curry & John C. Dvorak

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June 13th, 2019
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Executive Producers: Guy Burton Sir Gee, Rudolf Vesely, Sir Ho Gi Hung Baronet of Mong Kok, Nick Foster

Associate Executive Producers: Sir Luke Rayner, viscount of London and the south east, Black knight Sir Bryan Barrow of royal wootton Bassett, baron of Barbados, Michael Sabers, Patrick Knight of the So Cal Hills, Jason Toliopoulos

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Start of Show
Woodstock
12:14
London Meetup
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17:12
Oklahoma City Meetup
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18:54
LBC: 'James O'Brien Lists Boris Johnsons Sins'
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25:40
Evening Standard: 'Bojo Has Got His Mojo and He's Going To Get Out There'
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26:59
BBC: 'Brexit: Behind Closed Doors'
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28:55
The New York Times: 'Google Made $4.7 Billion From the News Industry in 2018, Study Says'
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30:39
Journalism Competition and Preservation Act
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47:10
YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki Interview at The Code Conference
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1:07:37
Axios: 'Google CEO Defends YouTube Practices'
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1:10:10
Credits
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1:31:22
Joe Biden
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1:35:21
Untitled
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1:37:48
Poland Intends To Buy 32 F-35 Fighter Jets From US
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1:41:01
Trump Says Poland Will Join Visa Waiver Program "Very Soon"
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1:42:43
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's Wife Pleads Guilty in Illegal Meals Case
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1:44:48
Hillary Clinton Predicts Presidential Candidates Will Be Hacked
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1:47:19
Untitled
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1:51:09
Citizenship Question on Census
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2:01:37
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Defends Annual $4500 Pay Increase For Members of Congress
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2:09:32
Donations
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2:23:25
Birthdays & Title Changes
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2:25:48
Meetups
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2:26:17
Producer Note: Criminal Activity in Sweden on June 10th
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2:28:13
Two Tankers Attacked in the Gulf of Oman
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2:31:02
NBC Sold Obama Merchandise in 2010
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2:33:12
Second Ebola Death in Uganda
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2:37:35
Protests in Hong Kong Over Controversial China Extradition Bill
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2:41:44
China's Social Credit System
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2:43:31
US Women Soccer Team Beats Thailand With 13-0 at World Cup
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2:44:27
Helicopter Crashes Onto Manhattan Building
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2:46:56
Zuckerberg Deepfake Video
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2:50:39
End of Show
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    there is no admiring the double-decker
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    buses you can't have double decker buses
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    that's for us exclusively here and then
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    the Gitmo nation east in the UK yeah
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    well those days are over
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    so you have double-decker buses in San
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    Francisco no San Francisco still has a
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    nice reason they don't have them it's
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    because everything's electro there's all
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    electric buses and Bev's double-decker
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    bus that can't make that little
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    suspension thing work I guess sister no
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    it's in the East Bay AC transit hmm
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    Alameda County Transit and they use the
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    buses they a number of them yeah they
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    use them to go across the bay and they
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    get twice as many people in the bus or
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    not twice as many but quite a few more
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    so it's not for tourism it's for actual
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    transportation yeah that's nice yeah
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    it's about time yeah well they got him
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    here too in London they've had him there
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    forever and it just amazes me how long
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    it takes for somebody else to figure out
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    it's not a bad idea yeah well they
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    certainly should do triple-deckers by
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    now traffic here is unbelievable
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    it's gotten so bad there's so much
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    that's happened since I was last in the
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    UK like properly in the UK not just
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    passing through there's buildings here
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    that weren't here last time I checked it
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    out how long ago was it that I was
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    actually in in London I it's been a long
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    time John it's been maybe see a lot of
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    weird looking buildings too well that
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    I'm looking right at that point it was a
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    double-decker bus down the freeway she's
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    is it red or is it red no it's green and
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    white okay
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    there's a big pointy building I mean I
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    used to know what what happened to the
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    to the gherkin to the they tear that one
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    down already the big pickle yeah what
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    happened to that one I can't see it
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    anywhere still there is it behind the
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    big pointy one now there must be there
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    must be five or six different buildings
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    just now anyway yeah we're here looks
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    like it's falling over yeah I can see
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    that one from here that's that's kind of
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    kind of weird yeah but we chose this
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    location specifically because it was in
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    walking distance of the No Agenda London
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    meetup that we held yesterday oh so
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    you're in the Paddington area I am just
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    just on the cusp of the Paddington area
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    and and in here's very multi-culti
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    though extremely here's the here's the
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    best laid plan so we get this hotel I
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    mean it is I see on the map it's a four
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    minute walk and of course I did not
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    bring the smartphone and I'm I'm
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    hell-bent on even though you know I like
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    ah you know should we and we don't we
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    should have some navigation capabilities
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    I'm like no no I can map this out in the
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    room and I can write down the directions
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    I'll be fine
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    four minutes I swear to god it took us
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    15 it's the map skills they really do
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    diminish over time if you don't keep him
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    up yeah so I went to that same place we
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    had a yes is the Victoria in Paddington
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    yeah we went there and I walked I know
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    how to get I knew how to get there
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    without it I didn't have my smartphone I
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    was you know we had that much burners
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    that we could use in the area and so I
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    knew how to get there from the hook from
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    the hotel and it was like you go down
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    the Main Street that goes past Victoria
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    Station you take a right mhm you can
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    just keep walking it bang you run right
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    into this right there exactly so I left
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    the event and I figured well I'm just
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    gonna go back to where I came and for
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    some reason I took the wrong Street back
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    it wasn't quite that bad yeah so we
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    arrived 7:30 a.m. yesterday morning from
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    our direct flight on Norwegian air from
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    Austin first time we took this I have to
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    say very impressed by the budget airline
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    ok who flies we need a report on this
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    airline confronted with it yeah a short
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    short report this is now American
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    Airlines / British Airways has a daily
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    flight from Austin to Heathrow and it's
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    very expensive and no matter no matter
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    what class you're in it's expensive
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    Norwegian competes with that there a
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    budget airline in and actually I think
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    they're now the biggest airline from
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    Europe to New York that was that was
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    kind of their first thing this is the
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    plane with the the red nose in fact the
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    callsign is even red nose and then the
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    flight number because there's a lot of
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    alcoholics oh yeah oh yeah celebrating
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    celebrating so it's it's probably about
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    40% cheaper than British Airways and
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    they fly the Dreamliner the seven seven
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    eight seven yeah nice aircraft I had not
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    been on this yet you had I thought you
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    were raving about it before no no no it
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    was that was the the big Airbus I flew
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    on that but the Dreamliner is besides
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    being a plastic plane which is not my
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    favorite yeah I thought you were never
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    gonna fly on one because it's all
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    plastic yeah well I had to get here one
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    way the other I can't afford it kind of
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    British Airways is a is Airbus usually
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    too but it's just it's fantastic I've
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    very impressed that service you know you
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    don't get a lot of frills and you can
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    order extra stuff on board and they
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    don't have a charge for everything my
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    understanding is that they charge for
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    yes they do they do they charge for a
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    blanket they charge for water are you to
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    go to the bathroom no they don't charge
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    they don't charge was it don't charge
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    you to go to the bathroom now
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    I thought had a coin-operated door huh
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    good try
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    it was mister I was misled by the staff
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    at British Air well yeah
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    you wonder why now I have to say the
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    keeper has been really smart
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    um she is hell-bent and determined on
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    letting everybody know that this is our
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    honeymoon
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    so right away in Norwegian air she says
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    you know as we get our glass of water
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    you said it's her honeymoon oh that's
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    great yeah and yep lo and behold as show
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    up two little bottles of champagne well
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    here these are for you take these this
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    is it this is actually almost a
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    travelling tip and if we do that's a
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    great idea and the fact is that they did
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    Norwegian air is notorious for not
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    giving away the exactly and it was
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    champagne it was brutal champagne year
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    wasn't yeah the little mini bottle well
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    so then we as we laughed like a couple
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    of diligence
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    well if to mid 50 year olds can they get
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    away with it you know he's like yeah
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    we're newlyweds there was no question
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    you know there was there was no show me
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    your papers please
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    travelin chip is worth the price of a
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    donation and it gets better and so when
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    we here at the hotel of course when you
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    when you arrive all right I want to talk
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    about the entry process into the UK
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    something else I hadn't witnessed this
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    is completely biometry sized and not
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    automatic
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    it's better than we have it's better
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    than world entry you just walk up to the
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    thing you shove your passport it
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    registers your face takes a picture for
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    all eternity so we can track you
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    throughout the entire country but you're
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    done yeah it's pretty pretty fast no
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    interviews no no no nothing get your bag
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    walk through the green the green alley
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    perfect so we take a character the chips
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    yes so back to the tip so we're the
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    airport to the hotel and the hotel of
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    course you know are yeah well obviously
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    check-in as a checkout is it noon
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    check-in is it - it's 9 o'clock and
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    we're here so yeah and the keeper does
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    it have well this is our honeymoon this
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    is great we'll have some champagne you
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    for you
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    while we're working on your room you
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    know this typically takes a lot longer
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    but we're gonna work on it for you and
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    so we went out into Hyde Park and it was
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    there was this window of two hours of
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    really beautiful weather so we saw the
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    the Albert Memorial the Italian gardens
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    came back around 11:30 our room was
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    already done yes we know you're you're
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    newlyweds your room is done and this
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    isn't almost three hours before they
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    would have to have it done we have our
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    free champagne yeah you know they do the
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    the nice love Swan origami with the
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    towels on the bed have you ever seen
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    this no and it just works you can't go
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    to the same places probably but so this
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    is yeah this is a great travel tip tsa
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    in the US did something new to me though
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    this was as you know whenever I travel
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    with teens your honeymoon no maybe maybe
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    that's what happened yes of course
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    whenever I travel with Tina we both get
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    pre-check even though she's never
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    registered etc so and if I travel alone
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    even though unregistered have a number I
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    don't so we go through yeah so this
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    pre-check you just throw your bags on I
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    have to take laptop side I've got
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    thinking I've got the whole studio
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    everything as usual I take my Nokia my
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    literal cell phone throw it in my jacket
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    the jacket goes through you go through
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    the magnetometer cuz you don't go
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    through the body scanner and the guy
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    says let me see your let me see your
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    phone and I think he's like I feel like
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    this is a joke or something like I can't
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    go through the I didn't take it said I
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    don't have my phone he says I saw you
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    put it in your bag I said put him I was
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    confused I thought it was joking or okay
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    and so I get my the Nokia and I hand it
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    to him and he looks at it kind of weird
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    and then he swabs it and they were doing
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    this for every other passenger this is
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    new I've never had the cell phone swab
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    you
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    huh well there must be an alert at or
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    something what someone with a cell phone
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    bomb well I've it makes a lot of sense
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    if you want I mean if you want to know
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    if someone is being in contact with any
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    type of explosives the best way is to
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    get something you know like they're so
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    fun which you'd be handling you'd have
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    it up to your face that's maybe that's
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    it yeah secondary yeah cuz you yeah
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    that's that's pretty smart
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    yeah yeah anyway so that that's what
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    that was um let me see do have anything
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    well then you know obviously then we
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    have the the no I've talked to these LT
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    swappers the number of times about what
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    they're looking for and they got all
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    these new tests and they checked things
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    out and I forget what I get something
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    checked recently that was didn't make a
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    lot of sense to me
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    and oh yeah I brought it oh yeah it's
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    coming back from Austin from your
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    wedding yeah and I brought a bunch of
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    seasonings and they were all they had
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    the check they've swab the crap out of
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    my barbecue seasonings so slightly
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    explosive anyway yes out out the other
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    end but explosive nonetheless a oh
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    [Music]
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    that's right the No Agenda meetup just a
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    few words about our meetup at the
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    Victoria and will be thanking people
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    later on
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    who gave on-the-spot donations I was
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    very surprised I didn't really know what
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    to expect the whole thing was organized
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    by the Earl of Tennessee Sir Patrick
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    Coble who flew in from Berlin where he
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    was doing some penetration testing yeah
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    actually I think he was doing a see does
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    speeches about penetration testing -
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    yeah he's got good stories yes and and
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    just a big thanks to him
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    and it's so interesting that you know
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    our Earl from Tennessee is put this
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    together and they were when we walked in
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    just we were supposed to be from 6:00 to
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    9:30 we're more or less on time
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    by about five five guys there including
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    mr. Patrick like oh this is kind of cool
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    you know and just
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    we're chatting and John before you know
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    it we had 50 people there it got really
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    it was fun we would just you do a
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    headcount you came up with 50 that's he
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    I didn't do it I was unable to do an
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    exact headcount the the picture at the
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    end of the evening which never includes
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    everybody was over 40 so yeah I think we
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    were at least 50 maybe a little bit more
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    and and this was in my experience the
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    most diverse group of people we've ever
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    had I mean white black brown gay
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    straight old young Tourette's autism
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    Asperger conservative-liberal everything
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    was represented huh yeah much much I
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    mean I was like wow this is like the
  • 14:07
    United Colors of Benetton a lot of dudes
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    named Ben but also there was quite a
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    number of women there of course Dame
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    he's a bill who's our first female
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    listener and she would mean a lot of
  • 14:22
    people who have been listening since
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    episode one and universally this is what
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    we heard from everybody I love this
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    Meetup
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    I love meetups with no agenda people
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    because I can speak frankly without
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    having to be worried about overstepping
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    triggering saying you're wrong and but
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    there's somebody with a stick up their
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    ass but it's it's like I here's here's
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    what I heard from almost everybody I
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    can't say what I think at my work I
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    can't say what I think around my friends
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    I can't say what I think or my opinion
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    at school with my family and people felt
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    an incredible sense of community and by
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    no means were these all KKK Nazi
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    quadroon all right nut jobs this is just
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    we had multiple people who work at the
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    BBC my favorite has to be the gay
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    magistrate from Manchester
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    um who by the way worked for Gove
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    Michael Gove and I'd said straight up I
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    said did he ruin the education system in
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    the UK I said no no no did you have to
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    go and get his coke today no no no just
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    a lot of a lot of good information and
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    and there was at a certain point we were
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    so we're taking selfies and you know
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    we're deaf we're rowdy and we're taking
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    over this place and it's packed and it's
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    drizzling outside so it has this perfect
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    London you know pub vibe and I'm taking
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    some pictures with some of our producers
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    and behind me there's a couple sitting
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    in kind of a booth and they've just been
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    sitting there for a while and I felt
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    that I knock something over as I backed
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    up and I'm like oh shit I turn around
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    and that's oh
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    did I knock something and I thought was
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    there drink but no it's just the menu
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    and they look at me and they say can we
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    ask you a question
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    yeah so well we're from Florida and we
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    just got here we've never been to London
  • 16:30
    and we wanted to get a real feeling for
  • 16:33
    a typical English pub who are you guys
  • 16:37
    what kind of Club is this they could not
  • 16:40
    figure out what we were about and I said
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    yes and who are you what yeah this is
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    that I can assess appreciate that I mean
  • 16:49
    it's it's non-standard here you created
  • 16:52
    a non-standard situation and they were
  • 16:54
    brought into and they they were baffled
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    yeah sure and of course they were
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    immediately hit in the mouth and I'm
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    sure they're listening right now so
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    plenty of plenty of stories and I'm sure
  • 17:07
    we're talking about that in shows to
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    come and we have some donations that
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    we'll talk about I just what were on the
  • 17:13
    topic at simultaneously we had the
  • 17:16
    Oklahoma City meetup which was organized
  • 17:19
    by Cassidy Eastwood and I just wanted to
  • 17:22
    read her report he says that there were
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    about a dozen of us ranging from 24
  • 17:29
    years old to 70ish sorry Jimmy not sure
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    of your age we even had a night in our
  • 17:33
    present surprise and he surprised us
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    with magic tricks I didn't know we had a
  • 17:39
    magician we all
  • 17:42
    and over his night ring people came from
  • 17:44
    all over the state even one drove up
  • 17:46
    from Dallas the first question asked to
  • 17:47
    each arrival was how did you happen upon
  • 17:50
    no agenda and the best response was
  • 17:52
    given by Air Force John who was looking
  • 17:54
    for podcasts to listen to and did a
  • 17:56
    search for best podcast G guess what the
  • 18:02
    first result was the best podcast in the
  • 18:04
    universe which is an accurate search
  • 18:07
    it's been using Bing precisely he also
  • 18:12
    made a point to make his first donation
  • 18:13
    oh we all discussed religion politics
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    education and the general state of the
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    world at large over appetizers and
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    cocktails there were a few strange looks
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    from surrounding tables I greatly
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    enjoyed talking to people whom I knew
  • 18:25
    were open-minded I could feel the
  • 18:27
    serotonin releasing in my brain as I
  • 18:29
    conversed with this group of lovely
  • 18:30
    people but one attendee even said and I
  • 18:33
    quote I love this because I know that no
  • 18:36
    one here will judge me even if we
  • 18:38
    disagree on something and that is again
  • 18:42
    this is the the constant observation
  • 18:46
    from everybody who attends a No Agenda
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    mido and so we encourage more of those
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    No Agenda meetups calm alright
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    news from London Bojo has the mojo mojo
  • 18:59
    Bojo Boris Johnson has the Mojo so I
  • 19:03
    have abortion Singh clip from the great
  • 19:05
    Boris Johnson hater okay gene so bright
  • 19:10
    let me just do a little background for
  • 19:12
    people don't listen to LBC James O'Brien
  • 19:15
    is this a remainer uh he is hates the
  • 19:24
    Brits yeah
  • 19:26
    he's really he's a talk show guy whose
  • 19:29
    ID is one of the most skilled at making
  • 19:33
    you look like an idiot if that's what he
  • 19:35
    wants mm-hmm because he in fact he's so
  • 19:39
    good at I would I think people who do a
  • 19:41
    show or making a mistake they shouldn't
  • 19:43
    do it this just boycott him and he hates
  • 19:47
    everybody he hates Faraj he hates Boris
  • 19:50
    Johnson but he's got the goods on Boris
  • 19:52
    Johnson and and it's just minor goods
  • 19:55
    that seems to me but the way he presents
  • 19:57
    it with his over his repetitious
  • 19:59
    approach to slamming somebody's
  • 20:01
    slandering them his is a gift and here
  • 20:06
    we go Boris Johnson is a man who's been
  • 20:08
    fired from jobs for lying about quotes
  • 20:12
    allegedly from his own grandfather
  • 20:14
    Godfather I beg your pardon
  • 20:16
    Boris Johnson fired from the times from
  • 20:19
    making up quotes from his own Godfather
  • 20:21
    okay lied to party leaders lied to wives
  • 20:25
    like two mistresses went to court to try
  • 20:28
    to stop you from finding out about a
  • 20:30
    little girl that he'd fathered out of
  • 20:32
    wedlock he actually went to court so
  • 20:34
    that you wouldn't find out about his
  • 20:37
    appalling sexual incontinence and I mean
  • 20:42
    it when I say because I used to go with
  • 20:45
    sort of conservative coffee mornings and
  • 20:47
    things like that well I'd go with with
  • 20:49
    my mum sometimes it would more of a
  • 20:51
    social occasion and I always had this
  • 20:53
    sort of begrudging suburban respect for
  • 20:55
    that type of Tory a Shia Tory because
  • 20:58
    although I felt they were a little bit
  • 20:59
    immune to the suffering of others in
  • 21:01
    some cases they did seem to subscribe to
  • 21:03
    values values you could loosely describe
  • 21:06
    as Christian Christian Concern
  • 21:07
    vut ISM and that would be absolutely
  • 21:11
    outraged by the idea of a man going to
  • 21:13
    court to stop you finding out that he'd
  • 21:16
    fathered a little girl outside wedlock
  • 21:19
    while lying to it come on that's not
  • 21:21
    what Trump paid off stormy Daniels for I
  • 21:22
    mean where's this guy the times have
  • 21:24
    changed wives and lying to his
  • 21:26
    mistresses lying to his voters lying to
  • 21:28
    his employers lying to his party leaders
  • 21:30
    lying to his constituents lying to his
  • 21:32
    interviewers there's a recording of him
  • 21:35
    that I'll play later in the program of
  • 21:36
    him colluding with a now convicted
  • 21:39
    criminal to get a journalist beaten up
  • 21:42
    yes you heard me correctly it's on tape
  • 21:44
    oh boy it's Johnson agreeing to help a
  • 21:47
    former school friend from Eton to get
  • 21:49
    hold of the address of a journalist
  • 21:51
    because the former school friend from
  • 21:52
    Eton wanted to have him battered so you
  • 21:57
    see what I mean I just mentioned any one
  • 21:59
    of those six seven eight transgressions
  • 22:01
    and theoretically from where I sit that
  • 22:05
    should be the end of it for a
  • 22:06
    conservative leadership contender but
  • 22:09
    it's not
  • 22:09
    which I think signals the end of any
  • 22:12
    claim to moral high-ground or morality
  • 22:15
    from the Conservative Party what that's
  • 22:18
    really interesting because he is the
  • 22:20
    number one in the first round of voting
  • 22:23
    by by a large margin let's take a look
  • 22:28
    at what a couple to deconstruct a little
  • 22:30
    bit about the way Bryan does this ad
  • 22:32
    deaf but he does not want to see Boris
  • 22:34
    Johnson as the actually probably does
  • 22:36
    because it'd be great for a show right
  • 22:38
    once he starts off with this horrible
  • 22:41
    misquoting of his god father something
  • 22:46
    and making up quotes and he makes takes
  • 22:48
    that to an extreme as that's some sort
  • 22:50
    of a horrible thing to do maybe was a
  • 22:52
    misunderstanding is a million things
  • 22:54
    that could be they could explain it he
  • 22:58
    uses the word colluding for a reason and
  • 23:01
    then he says the way he actually because
  • 23:03
    he says he lied to him and lighting him
  • 23:05
    alive baba goes on and on and on and
  • 23:07
    then he says just which I thought was
  • 23:09
    just typical of Bryan you could take any
  • 23:13
    of these six seven eight transgressions
  • 23:18
    and apply them to Trump
  • 23:20
    well I didn't say that but he's me so
  • 23:22
    you can take any of them and then you
  • 23:23
    can't understand what the two servitors
  • 23:25
    have lost all their credibility because
  • 23:27
    of these six seven or eight
  • 23:29
    transgressions what six seven or eight
  • 23:32
    transgressions he mention two two
  • 23:36
    citations one misquoting his godfather
  • 23:39
    and having an illegitimate child that he
  • 23:42
    apparently went to court over and i
  • 23:45
    don't know that this details behind it
  • 23:47
    but I don't here six seven or eight
  • 23:48
    transgressions this is a horrible person
  • 23:51
    this this interviewer this James O'Brien
  • 23:54
    guy I've listened I'm fascinated by his
  • 23:56
    skills there's a verbal horrible guy
  • 23:59
    this fifty seconds left on the clip we
  • 24:01
    play that for if there is you listen to
  • 24:07
    this program on a regular basis it
  • 24:08
    became inevitable when they introduced
  • 24:11
    base lawyers to the public life as soon
  • 24:14
    as farad's is allowed to speak
  • 24:15
    unchallenged undiluted lies and nonsense
  • 24:18
    the Conservative Party is finished so
  • 24:20
    when they chose to invite him on to
  • 24:23
    their bus to get brexit over the line
  • 24:25
    that was the death knell for any claims
  • 24:27
    in the Tory Party to integrity or
  • 24:29
    probity but for the very simple reason
  • 24:32
    that if one liar goes unchallenged lies
  • 24:36
    move into the mainstream which is how
  • 24:37
    you have a man who conspired to have a
  • 24:39
    journalist beaten up who went to court
  • 24:41
    to stop you finding out about his
  • 24:42
    daughter born out of wedlock who's lied
  • 24:45
    to both of his wives all of his
  • 24:46
    mistresses every constituent every
  • 24:48
    employer every party leader every
  • 24:49
    colleague every interview every
  • 24:50
    journalist he's ever encountered he's
  • 24:52
    not just lied to them he's actively
  • 24:55
    agitated to deceive them no it's an
  • 24:58
    outrage I tell you came up with three
  • 25:05
    couple more which I like to look into
  • 25:07
    but it's besides the point is so Johnson
  • 25:10
    is being attacked by the left and this
  • 25:15
    guy is representative of that and I
  • 25:18
    still wonder whether you know he he had
  • 25:20
    his shot he could have been the prime
  • 25:22
    minister a lot of people believe before
  • 25:25
    Teresa may stepped in front of the line
  • 25:28
    and took the job but I don't know I
  • 25:31
    don't know if Jonesy
  • 25:33
    I don't know I have no idea what's
  • 25:36
    people think today well he's a good guy
  • 25:38
    should be a prime minister well as I
  • 25:41
    said the the main the Evening Standard
  • 25:43
    which is edited by jaw is the guy George
  • 25:48
    Osborne remember George Osborne yeah he
  • 25:52
    was the what was he was he Chancellor I
  • 25:56
    don't remember what he did so he edits
  • 25:59
    the Evening Standard and that was the
  • 26:01
    headline when we arrived was Bo Joe's
  • 26:03
    got the Mojo um so and I'd looking at
  • 26:08
    the first round of voting I'm not quite
  • 26:09
    sure how the whole system works how many
  • 26:11
    rounds there are but he had I think 114
  • 26:14
    and it was was it um who's the Jeremy
  • 26:19
    guy hunt yeah yeah I think he was number
  • 26:23
    two truly hunt yeah with with 42 votes
  • 26:26
    or whatever it is so I was prepping the
  • 26:29
    show so I couldn't follow all of it but
  • 26:32
    it'll be interesting to see there's uh
  • 26:34
    is a lot going on here people at the
  • 26:38
    meetup but I'll say this is you know
  • 26:39
    we're completely effed they've kind of
  • 26:42
    given a given up on it who
  • 26:47
    about the getting out of the house the
  • 26:49
    brexit chitchat is they're gonna get out
  • 26:51
    or not
  • 26:52
    I think the universally people think
  • 26:54
    do-over is in the cards and then and
  • 26:57
    then and no brings it and I did want to
  • 27:00
    mention I think I sent you a link to it
  • 27:01
    the BBC had a two hour or two part each
  • 27:05
    part one-hour documentary about which
  • 27:08
    was filmed with permission from ghee for
  • 27:11
    harsh thought and he's the the crazy
  • 27:13
    gap-toothed guy from the European
  • 27:15
    Parliament with the near the Belgian you
  • 27:17
    speed and was he belgian present Prime
  • 27:19
    Minister it was big Wigan in Belgium
  • 27:22
    when they still had a government and he
  • 27:25
    allowed someone from a Belgian cameraman
  • 27:27
    to shoot a documentary and and this is
  • 27:30
    inside his office the car the train late
  • 27:34
    at night all the swear word it actually
  • 27:37
    made me wonder how much they didn't put
  • 27:39
    in it and he didn't really disclose this
  • 27:41
    to anybody who was around him at the
  • 27:43
    time and he was the the coordinator of
  • 27:45
    the brexit steering committee for you
  • 27:48
    know these two and a half years or two
  • 27:49
    years and it's a fascinating look at the
  • 27:52
    other side that we never really hear
  • 27:54
    much about did you did you see this
  • 27:56
    everybody didn't have time to see it now
  • 27:58
    it is I mean you can watch it for sure
  • 28:00
    now you can't really pull any clips from
  • 28:02
    it but when at a certain point you see
  • 28:04
    that and it's you know they're in the
  • 28:05
    European Parliament building in Brussels
  • 28:07
    and they go to Strasbourg and you kind
  • 28:09
    of get a little idea of how that works
  • 28:11
    and there's a lot of food where every
  • 28:13
    single shot there's always food there if
  • 28:15
    they're eating their drink and they do
  • 28:17
    meetings and they drink wine at the
  • 28:19
    meetings which is kind of a I think a
  • 28:21
    good thing but it's it's definitely for
  • 28:25
    bohtan in the United States
  • 28:27
    yeah well the link is in the show notes
  • 28:28
    it's well worth watching particularly
  • 28:31
    get like the the speech writers who were
  • 28:34
    then you know as it gets very close like
  • 28:40
    they're all jacked up and GD about it
  • 28:43
    it's it's a cool thing it's it's fun to
  • 28:47
    watch because we never get that side of
  • 28:48
    it and certainly not to that degree I
  • 28:51
    again I wonder what wasn't put in it
  • 28:55
    and the question for you though there
  • 28:58
    was an article that the New York Times
  • 29:00
    published headline that Google made 4.7
  • 29:07
    billion dollars from the news industry
  • 29:09
    and now it's time for the news industry
  • 29:14
    to take it back that wasn't the exact
  • 29:16
    headline did you follow any of this it's
  • 29:20
    been debated debated a little bit and
  • 29:22
    most people think it's bogus
  • 29:24
    well I thought it was scandalous at the
  • 29:27
    New York Times first of all they didn't
  • 29:29
    really even disclose that this was a
  • 29:31
    news industry lobbying group that
  • 29:35
    they're a part of which is the what is
  • 29:39
    it news it's the news media Alliance who
  • 29:44
    are lobbying for House Resolution 2050
  • 29:48
    for the journalism competition and
  • 29:51
    preservation act of 2019 that was
  • 29:53
    nowhere to be found in their article of
  • 29:56
    course not the New York Times they don't
  • 29:58
    they don't let you know what they're up
  • 30:00
    to anymore
  • 30:01
    it's a horrible operation well I'd like
  • 30:03
    to know what your Lib joes thought of
  • 30:04
    this in particular the assertion made
  • 30:06
    based on a comment from Marissa Meyer in
  • 30:09
    2008 was she offhandedly although it was
  • 30:13
    I think in an investor situation so it
  • 30:17
    can be taken with some degree of of
  • 30:19
    certainty that in 2008 Google News had
  • 30:22
    made approximately a hundred million
  • 30:24
    dollars from News and that was the guy
  • 30:28
    was the whole quote and they
  • 30:30
    extrapolated that by adding ten years to
  • 30:33
    it and said that looks like four point
  • 30:34
    seven billion is what we're not making
  • 30:36
    and Google is stealing from us and now
  • 30:40
    they have this lobbying group it is a
  • 30:43
    501 C 4 and it's the lobbying for the
  • 30:49
    passage of house resolution to build
  • 30:51
    journalism competition and preservation
  • 30:52
    act of 2019 which would allow all news
  • 30:56
    publishers which by the way you don't we
  • 31:00
    wouldn't qualify for because you have to
  • 31:02
    have professional editors on payroll you
  • 31:05
    have to have at least a million
  • 31:08
    people interacting with your website on
  • 31:10
    a monthly basis otherwise okay yeah if
  • 31:13
    you have that many people that you just
  • 31:14
    described you don't need help from the
  • 31:16
    government this you know just I know
  • 31:18
    where the stamp is from well let me just
  • 31:20
    tell you what what the what the plan is
  • 31:22
    the plan is they want 48 months so they
  • 31:25
    want what is that four years they want
  • 31:28
    four years to to have anti anti trust
  • 31:34
    anti competition laws
  • 31:38
    what does the word not apply to the news
  • 31:41
    industry so they can collude with each
  • 31:43
    other over four-year period
  • 31:45
    to find out how they can screw Google
  • 31:48
    and Facebook back that's in essence what
  • 31:51
    it is they they want to be able to work
  • 31:54
    together as a group and figure out how
  • 31:57
    to get the money back this is the kind
  • 31:59
    of idiots that are running the business
  • 32:01
    first of all the stems from the
  • 32:04
    Canadians who decided to put a fun
  • 32:06
    together and has rice papers a bunch of
  • 32:08
    free money that's right
  • 32:09
    so they want to say well you know
  • 32:11
    they're doing it up there they're
  • 32:13
    getting free money we should do the same
  • 32:14
    thing the second thing is is this
  • 32:16
    nonsense about Yahoo and it being
  • 32:18
    extrapolate Yahoo is a news organization
  • 32:20
    in a lot of ways one whole division they
  • 32:23
    take the Associated Press feed they pay
  • 32:27
    for it they're not they have writers
  • 32:29
    that they pay to pay money to the Google
  • 32:32
    Yahoo sport which is very competitive
  • 32:34
    it's probably as competitive as as ESPN
  • 32:36
    or as a Sports Illustrated when it comes
  • 32:38
    to print
  • 32:39
    I'd like to smell that about that I'd
  • 32:40
    like to hold your I'd like to interrupt
  • 32:42
    your analysis
  • 32:43
    I'd like to interrupt your analysis
  • 32:45
    because I want this to continue after I
  • 32:47
    play these two clips which explain a
  • 32:49
    little bit more about how they really
  • 32:50
    feel about it though so this is a bill
  • 32:54
    that's called the sizzling bill
  • 32:56
    representative David Cicilline here he
  • 32:59
    explains briefly what the the news media
  • 33:03
    Alliance is about with HR 2054 this is a
  • 33:06
    really important issue for everyone in
  • 33:08
    our country because we all recognize
  • 33:11
    that our democracy is strongest when we
  • 33:13
    have a free and diverse press that
  • 33:15
    informed citizens holds concentrated
  • 33:18
    power accountable and roots out
  • 33:20
    corruption as justice Louis Brandeis
  • 33:23
    wrote in 1927 those who won our
  • 33:25
    independence believe that public
  • 33:27
    discussion is a political duty that the
  • 33:29
    greatest threat to freedom is an
  • 33:31
    uninformed citizenry and that the
  • 33:33
    freedom of thought and speech are
  • 33:35
    indispensable to the discovery and
  • 33:37
    spread of political truths but today as
  • 33:40
    you all know these bedrock
  • 33:41
    constitutional values are facing
  • 33:44
    existential threats
  • 33:47
    information dominant platforms last year
  • 33:50
    Facebook and Google amassed more than 60
  • 33:53
    billion dollars from online advertising
  • 33:55
    the majority of online ad revenue and
  • 33:57
    despite record levels of online
  • 34:00
    readership news publishers have seen a
  • 34:02
    steep decline in revenue during the rise
  • 34:04
    of these technology giants the
  • 34:07
    bottleneck is bleeding news publishers
  • 34:09
    dry and you see evidence all across this
  • 34:12
    country and in the absence of a
  • 34:13
    competitive marketplace newsrooms across
  • 34:15
    the country are laying off reporters and
  • 34:17
    editorial staff or folding altogether
  • 34:19
    this is happening to legacy news
  • 34:22
    companies and digital publishers alike
  • 34:24
    there is no question that we've reached
  • 34:26
    a tipping point what's really important
  • 34:28
    to remember is this is not just a
  • 34:30
    marketplace that's not working in
  • 34:32
    providing an absence of competition
  • 34:34
    where we're sort of losing the have sale
  • 34:36
    of widgets this is about the very
  • 34:38
    foundation of our democracy access to
  • 34:40
    reliable trustworthy local news this
  • 34:44
    trend continues we risk permanently
  • 34:46
    compromising the news organizations that
  • 34:48
    are essential to uncovering corruption
  • 34:50
    holding the government and powerful
  • 34:52
    corporations accountable and sustaining
  • 34:54
    our democracy oh yes the old democracy
  • 34:57
    what has never mentioned is that they
  • 35:01
    never newspapers never made money off of
  • 35:04
    news ever and they blew it you were I
  • 35:08
    think weren't you you and I both a part
  • 35:10
    of the of the Newmark conversation yeah
  • 35:14
    that with Hearst no it's with was not
  • 35:18
    rehearsed was it there was the publisher
  • 35:22
    that was married to what's-her-name the
  • 35:25
    actress
  • 35:26
    yeah the Sharon Stone yeah what's his
  • 35:29
    mr. mr. mr. Stolley Bronfman mr. stone
  • 35:34
    Rothman bro Bronstein Bronson Braun from
  • 35:38
    Bronfman Brompton no no no Bronstein
  • 35:40
    Bronstein Braun from you're thinking
  • 35:43
    that guy were used to run Seagram's yeah
  • 35:45
    isn't that the guy didn't wasn't he also
  • 35:47
    married to Sharon Stone I think they're
  • 35:54
    telling the story
  • 35:56
    we will tell dick you're right Bronstein
  • 35:58
    I'm sorry
  • 35:59
    yes yeah your teen Phil Bronstein yeah
  • 36:03
    I'm wrong I'm wrong yes bronzy your name
  • 36:05
    yes okay so Bronstein is in he tells the
  • 36:09
    story says that in the early days of the
  • 36:12
    net
  • 36:13
    don't call the net Craig Newmark comes
  • 36:17
    in the guy who says does Craig's List
  • 36:19
    and it was it was in the 90s and it was
  • 36:22
    you know just making money off of
  • 36:24
    classifieds it was making money off of
  • 36:26
    classified locally was doing these freak
  • 36:28
    and they were free classifieds and his
  • 36:30
    whole Terry was you just give away the
  • 36:31
    class because the computer you're you
  • 36:34
    know it's text you know you didn't take
  • 36:37
    a lot to to store it and and send it
  • 36:40
    around it's not a lot of overhead in
  • 36:42
    terms of resources of the internet
  • 36:45
    resources and so his idea was to get
  • 36:48
    free classifieds to everybody and then
  • 36:50
    let people pay for job listings and
  • 36:53
    things that are a little more you know
  • 36:54
    that can actually bring in some cash and
  • 36:56
    he he sorted reverse the whole model
  • 36:59
    about how classifies work and so he goes
  • 37:01
    in there and talks to Bronstein I guess
  • 37:08
    their honor who else was at the meeting
  • 37:09
    but he says he comes in and offers them
  • 37:11
    the whole Craigslist model if like two
  • 37:13
    million dollars or something some
  • 37:15
    ridiculously low amount a figure but if
  • 37:17
    he said a figure wasn't much no but he
  • 37:19
    said but he offered him the model and
  • 37:21
    they said we know how to do classifieds
  • 37:23
    we don't need your help you dumb shit
  • 37:26
    get out of here yep and so they kicked
  • 37:28
    him out pretty much I'm not sure they
  • 37:30
    didn't say that but there's something
  • 37:31
    like that and this I've seen this happen
  • 37:33
    in other situations and I also saw it
  • 37:36
    happen with classifieds when I was a fly
  • 37:38
    on the wall at the Media Lab in
  • 37:41
    Massachusetts where they were where
  • 37:43
    Hearst Corporation was meeting with the
  • 37:46
    Media Lab people to discuss something of
  • 37:49
    night and that sure wixi what it was
  • 37:50
    anymore but something like that was
  • 37:52
    brought up in that meeting too and there
  • 37:54
    was the same kind of response you know
  • 37:55
    we know what we're doing yeah I had the
  • 37:57
    same when I pitched before we were think
  • 37:59
    new ideas is on ramp we pitched Tribune
  • 38:02
    Company in Chicago you know that
  • 38:04
    beautiful building they have there with
  • 38:06
    the radio station was still down the
  • 38:08
    bottom of this still there and we got
  • 38:10
    laughed out of the building
  • 38:12
    we have a story server wasn't that the
  • 38:15
    thing story server what was it gosh what
  • 38:20
    was that that content management system
  • 38:22
    vignette vignette
  • 38:24
    yes vignette story server like you
  • 38:26
    couldn't unique classifies we got an
  • 38:28
    idea for that that's how you've been
  • 38:29
    making on and then this is a new world
  • 38:31
    we know how to make money off of news
  • 38:32
    well that never made money off of news
  • 38:34
    it's just that it was always the
  • 38:37
    classifieds that was the main thing
  • 38:38
    classifieds went away that's when the
  • 38:40
    problem started but oh no now all of a
  • 38:42
    sudden it's no I disagree with that and
  • 38:45
    I think that's a myth I think this comes
  • 38:47
    up a lot I think it came up in these
  • 38:49
    clips it you have the problem started
  • 38:52
    with television and it started a long
  • 38:56
    time ago and you can look at the curves
  • 38:58
    the growth curves and everything else
  • 39:00
    with the newspaper business they don't
  • 39:01
    like to talk about it but that's where
  • 39:03
    it started television came in with the
  • 39:05
    hourly report that nightly news and all
  • 39:07
    you Cronkite the two Huntley and
  • 39:12
    Brinkley and those guys came in and they
  • 39:14
    just started taking the taken the
  • 39:17
    impetus away from the newspapers who
  • 39:18
    really had to compete with the
  • 39:19
    television guys who were stealing a lot
  • 39:21
    from those are the guys that were
  • 39:22
    stealing from television if you or I'm
  • 39:25
    sorry they were stealing from newspapers
  • 39:26
    have you worked at a radio station in
  • 39:28
    the fifties or sixties everyone will say
  • 39:30
    the same thing we'd get the newspaper we
  • 39:32
    clipped the dog articles that were
  • 39:34
    interesting and we run him as news right
  • 39:36
    okay and they where was the lawsuits
  • 39:38
    today where was the big stink now they
  • 39:41
    got ripped off left and right during the
  • 39:42
    end they got they started shrinking and
  • 39:44
    shrinking to the point where and it was
  • 39:46
    a halt it was pre-internet is when they
  • 39:49
    had something called a joint operating
  • 39:51
    agreement which all the newspapers
  • 39:53
    jumped in on when they gave this I this
  • 39:55
    is the last time that they soaked the
  • 39:57
    government so they say let's take a
  • 39:58
    joint Optus to make these joint
  • 39:59
    operating agreements because especially
  • 40:02
    because the television the evening
  • 40:03
    newspapers were all dying because the
  • 40:05
    evening newspaper was the one that you'd
  • 40:07
    read underground but once the evening
  • 40:11
    news came on nobody was reading the
  • 40:13
    evening newspapers so they had to dream
  • 40:15
    up this joint operating agreement
  • 40:17
    locally it was a San Francisco Examiner
  • 40:18
    and the San Francisco Chronicle and it
  • 40:21
    was in Chicago and Detroit every place
  • 40:24
    around the country did this they
  • 40:25
    joined forces because they needed to and
  • 40:27
    they kind of you know started
  • 40:30
    emphasizing the morning paper more they
  • 40:32
    shared resources and shared profits and
  • 40:35
    that was the first idea that was the
  • 40:36
    first collusion that they needed to do
  • 40:38
    they were never competitive with it they
  • 40:41
    never could figure out how to do this
  • 40:42
    right and they've done failing and
  • 40:44
    failing and failing and continued to
  • 40:46
    fail and when the internet came along
  • 40:47
    and took the classifieds away that just
  • 40:50
    was the icing on the cake for the just
  • 40:51
    the demise of the whole operation
  • 40:53
    because they couldn't figure out what
  • 40:54
    they would they're incompetent there's
  • 40:56
    something that they do in the United
  • 40:58
    Kingdom on television late-night so
  • 41:01
    which would typically be our our news
  • 41:04
    timeslot maybe ten right I think I know
  • 41:08
    you like I agree this is a great day I
  • 41:10
    love this they sit down with two people
  • 41:12
    it's and these guests they they very
  • 41:15
    sometimes it's an editor of a newspaper
  • 41:17
    it's politicians can be someone from
  • 41:19
    show business and they go through all
  • 41:21
    the papers that will be published in the
  • 41:23
    morning and they show the you know the
  • 41:25
    headlines and they have an analysis and
  • 41:27
    they talk about what's in the paper I
  • 41:29
    think that's a I've always thought that
  • 41:30
    was fantastic it's very engaging to
  • 41:32
    watch and of course you don't have to
  • 41:35
    buy the damn paper the next day well if
  • 41:39
    it's done right and I think the Brits do
  • 41:41
    it right I know that the most people in
  • 41:44
    the United States can get these reports
  • 41:45
    via Sky News on Pluto the Sky News does
  • 41:52
    it very well and they've been doing that
  • 41:54
    for gosh but BBC does it too don't they
  • 41:56
    don't they have a version of it on BBC
  • 41:58
    or any Sky they probably do but I knew
  • 42:01
    someone that impresses me the most and
  • 42:02
    you have to remember the Sky News was
  • 42:04
    once part of the Murdoch Empire so
  • 42:06
    they're not killing themselves when
  • 42:08
    Murdoch suppose a newspaper guy David
  • 42:10
    this was a form of promotion for the
  • 42:12
    papers because they go on about
  • 42:13
    something that might interest you and
  • 42:15
    then the British and I think you might
  • 42:18
    pick up the paper what makes it even
  • 42:20
    British newspaper business is a lot
  • 42:23
    different than ours what makes it even
  • 42:25
    more interesting is that News Corp is
  • 42:28
    heavily represented in this news media
  • 42:31
    Alliance and the only other clip I have
  • 42:33
    is the Shortland from tony bush
  • 42:36
    she is the what is she she's the
  • 42:39
    government affairs executive at News
  • 42:42
    Corporation what I think has been
  • 42:45
    missing in the discussion up until
  • 42:48
    recently is the fact that Google and
  • 42:50
    Facebook are in the advertising business
  • 42:52
    Google made 135 billion dollars last
  • 42:55
    year off of advertising Facebook made 56
  • 42:59
    billion dollars of of advertising the
  • 43:02
    entire digital advertising market is
  • 43:05
    around two hundred thirty seven billion
  • 43:07
    so they've taken 195 billion out of it
  • 43:10
    which leaves around 30 billion for
  • 43:13
    everybody else including the newspaper
  • 43:15
    industry and that is really the crux of
  • 43:18
    the problem that we're facing which is
  • 43:20
    the system is broken the inter trust
  • 43:23
    laws have not been enforced during the
  • 43:28
    evolution of the tech platforms and we
  • 43:31
    need to both investigate that but in the
  • 43:35
    interim we need a solution and the
  • 43:37
    shalini bill is really that solution
  • 43:39
    okay so we can collude with each other
  • 43:42
    for two for four years and come up with
  • 43:45
    a way to screw them back hey not gonna
  • 43:48
    happen no these guys there's a dumbs
  • 43:50
    versus the smarts and this nonsense that
  • 43:54
    Google is you know you go to Google to
  • 43:56
    go to Google News calm and you can see
  • 43:58
    we're good there's that which is not
  • 43:59
    even an ad on that entire page he mean
  • 44:01
    news.google.com do what I say Google
  • 44:05
    News com let me see what Google Beck
  • 44:09
    let's see if that is anything oh go
  • 44:11
    straight to cnet.com that's funny
  • 44:13
    yeah news.com is no embracing it yes
  • 44:15
    they bought it right away
  • 44:16
    anyway the they don't run that no they
  • 44:20
    actually do not run advertising on the
  • 44:22
    news that's something that Google is
  • 44:24
    very vocal about now we don't run ads on
  • 44:26
    that no they make their money on search
  • 44:29
    well and this is if you're searching for
  • 44:32
    some news story and you're on the page
  • 44:34
    you're gonna get some ads and it's got
  • 44:36
    nothing to do it's not taking revenue
  • 44:37
    these guys are shooting themselves in
  • 44:38
    the foot just the same thing they happen
  • 44:40
    in Belgium I think or what one European
  • 44:42
    country remember this was about ten
  • 44:44
    years ago they were all upset all Google
  • 44:46
    indexing impaired the index
  • 44:49
    paper and then they're making people
  • 44:51
    link to it's then their people are
  • 44:53
    coming from these links so we don't like
  • 44:55
    that because we don't have control of it
  • 44:57
    so we don't want Google linking to us
  • 44:58
    anymore so they stopped linking to him
  • 45:00
    and they went out of business something
  • 45:03
    I did not clear what the Google link
  • 45:04
    dummy
  • 45:05
    something I I didn't clip but there was
  • 45:08
    part of the part of what they were
  • 45:09
    talking about this News Alliance panel
  • 45:12
    was well you know when you click on the
  • 45:15
    story Google gets all the information
  • 45:17
    but what are you in newspapers you in
  • 45:20
    the news business you in the information
  • 45:22
    about people business so you can turn it
  • 45:23
    around and do something with that and
  • 45:25
    they all fell for the whole amp thing
  • 45:27
    remember that AM yeah you got to get
  • 45:30
    Google amp because then it loads faster
  • 45:32
    and it's fantastic and Google amp means
  • 45:34
    that everything you do runs through
  • 45:36
    Google you dipshit
  • 45:38
    well yeah yeah we're all on Google amp
  • 45:40
    and they do the same thing when Facebook
  • 45:42
    was like yeah we're all about news
  • 45:43
    remember this Google amp yeah I think
  • 45:46
    it's still used geez yeah I was am
  • 45:49
    amplify or something everyone's oh yeah
  • 45:52
    because it preloads and it's compressed
  • 45:54
    on both sides and thank you google and a
  • 45:57
    Facebook you recall Facebook so changing
  • 45:59
    the algo for news everyone oh yeah great
  • 46:01
    and they change it back to friends and
  • 46:03
    family like boo yes accelerated mobile
  • 46:07
    pages that's what amp stood for Thank
  • 46:09
    You troll room for phones yeah was for
  • 46:14
    mobile for mobile to make anything well
  • 46:17
    I looked at the most recent mary meeker
  • 46:19
    entered a state of the Internet report
  • 46:22
    which is three hundred and thirty three
  • 46:23
    pages long this year
  • 46:24
    I'm glad she's doing some with their
  • 46:26
    time everything is stagnated revenue is
  • 46:30
    not really dropped here and they're
  • 46:33
    stagnant stagnant stagnant everything is
  • 46:36
    kind of plateauing but mobile is now
  • 46:40
    double desktop it's is it's just
  • 46:44
    surpassed everything which I'm sure the
  • 46:46
    a lot of people are happy about because
  • 46:49
    we want these spy devices to be on your
  • 46:52
    person at all time so we know exactly
  • 46:54
    what you're doing that's the real that's
  • 46:56
    the real juice they got
  • 46:58
    not the news well this has been
  • 47:00
    predicted of course for years that
  • 47:04
    mobile would take over yeah most of the
  • 47:06
    action on the Internet and okay so right
  • 47:11
    along with this yeah I think we should
  • 47:15
    do a quick little call back to the ad
  • 47:19
    pocalypse deconstruction that we did on
  • 47:21
    the last episode which I think most
  • 47:22
    people appreciated and I think at least
  • 47:28
    the feedback I've been getting is huh I
  • 47:30
    really didn't look at it in just the
  • 47:32
    pure commercial sense that these guys
  • 47:34
    are in competition for the advertising
  • 47:36
    dollars which is what you literally just
  • 47:38
    heard from the entire news business it's
  • 47:40
    like there are not voting and weren't
  • 47:42
    advertising and that's not fair I have
  • 47:52
    to work on him Susan Wojcicki who is the
  • 47:56
    CEO of YouTube in what I believe is a a
  • 48:01
    crisis move showed up on recode for a
  • 48:05
    45-minute interview which is on YouTube
  • 48:09
    and recode is owned by Vox there are a
  • 48:13
    lot of Vox journals there and even the
  • 48:17
    guy who was doing the interview I think
  • 48:19
    he's he's how if he's just a recode guy
  • 48:22
    or if he's a higher up inbox and talking
  • 48:26
    about this ad pocalypse and I had to
  • 48:29
    pull a couple of clips because it's so
  • 48:31
    beautiful the things that are being said
  • 48:32
    here but the first thing which I think
  • 48:37
    that we talked about this that kind of
  • 48:39
    got snowed under is the whole you know
  • 48:43
    controversy over Crowder and Carlos
  • 48:47
    Bozza
  • 48:47
    was about LGBTQ and it was taking place
  • 48:52
    during Pride Month and you know it's
  • 48:56
    unbelievable during Pride Month someone
  • 48:58
    said something horrible about a gay man
  • 49:01
    on YouTube and this is the first thing
  • 49:04
    out of her mouth
  • 49:05
    no if I hadn't I love those setups here
  • 49:09
    we go
  • 49:10
    the first thing out of her mouth
  • 49:12
    of things happen last week and it's
  • 49:13
    great to be here and talk about what
  • 49:16
    happened but I do want to start because
  • 49:18
    I know that the decision that we made
  • 49:22
    was very hurtful to the LGBTQ community
  • 49:25
    and that was not our intention at all
  • 49:28
    and just that context frame was not
  • 49:30
    following us what decision this was yeah
  • 49:32
    so let me let me I'll go into that but I
  • 49:35
    thought it was really important to be
  • 49:37
    upfront about that and to say that was
  • 49:39
    not our intention I'm really sorry about
  • 49:41
    that and but I do want to explain why we
  • 49:44
    made the decision that we did as well as
  • 49:47
    give information about the other line
  • 49:49
    are you just heckling the clip or her
  • 49:51
    what are you doing condescending valley
  • 49:56
    girl up talk borderline vocal fry' voice
  • 50:02
    of hers is enough to drive anyone crazy
  • 50:04
    she's in her mid-40s and this must be
  • 50:06
    Amelia thing she just celebrated 20
  • 50:09
    yoli's totally yes 20 years at Google 20
  • 50:13
    years at Google she just celebrated two
  • 50:14
    decades so it's Millia and that's how we
  • 50:17
    talk I'm going on so really there were
  • 50:19
    two different things that happened at
  • 50:22
    the same time and the first one I'll
  • 50:24
    talk with is we made a really
  • 50:25
    significant change involving hate speech
  • 50:28
    that the first one that I will I'll talk
  • 50:34
    with yeah I know she does a lot of this
  • 50:36
    stuff I'll play it again
  • 50:38
    Google Talk some google hyphenated gugak
  • 50:47
    or is it one word I think two different
  • 50:57
    things that happened at the same time
  • 50:59
    and the first one I'll talk with is we
  • 51:02
    made a really see I think she's just she
  • 51:04
    does a lot of this she wants to say
  • 51:06
    something different like the first thing
  • 51:08
    I will address with you or I don't know
  • 51:11
    but her brain was behind her mouth that
  • 51:16
    this is something we had been working on
  • 51:18
    for months
  • 51:19
    so I'll just preset this up apparently
  • 51:22
    it was a great coincidence that they had
  • 51:25
    been
  • 51:26
    looking for months on new hate-speech
  • 51:28
    rules for their platform and on the very
  • 51:31
    same day they'd launch it this
  • 51:33
    controversy starts it's I mean it's just
  • 51:36
    unbelievable and we launched it on
  • 51:38
    Wednesday of last week this is a series
  • 51:40
    of policies we did you've been rolling
  • 51:42
    out so oh yes so so we've been making
  • 51:46
    lots of different policy changes on
  • 51:47
    YouTube and we made this this past week
  • 51:50
    we made a change in how we handle hate
  • 51:53
    speech that took months and months of
  • 51:56
    work and hundreds of people we had
  • 51:57
    working on that and that was a very
  • 51:59
    significant launch and a really
  • 52:00
    important one
  • 52:01
    I love how they've clearly been able to
  • 52:04
    come up with rules and she details them
  • 52:07
    in a moment
  • 52:07
    about hate speech something that legally
  • 52:09
    cannot even be done but yeah okay and
  • 52:12
    what we did with that launch is we made
  • 52:14
    a couple big changes one of them was to
  • 52:19
    make it so that if there's a video that
  • 52:22
    alleges that some race or religion or
  • 52:25
    gender or group protected group is
  • 52:29
    superior in some way and uses that to
  • 52:31
    justify discrimination or exclusion that
  • 52:34
    would now no longer be allowed on our
  • 52:36
    platform similarly if they if this if
  • 52:40
    you had a religion or race and they
  • 52:43
    allege that inferiority that another
  • 52:46
    group was inferior and they use that to
  • 52:48
    justify discrimination in one way these
  • 52:52
    changes that we made yeah so I can't say
  • 52:56
    hey 49ers stink they're inferior to the
  • 53:00
    Raiders I think you're very can't have
  • 53:02
    so Sports Talk is now eliminating I do
  • 53:05
    think you're very close he or she
  • 53:07
    expands on these regs examples would be
  • 53:09
    like race X is superior to x2 is
  • 53:13
    superior to Y and therefore Y should be
  • 53:15
    segregated okay that sounds clear to me
  • 53:18
    I'm all good if you're X or Y then
  • 53:20
    you're in trouble this is literally her
  • 53:23
    example examples would be like race X is
  • 53:26
    superior to x2 is superior to Y and
  • 53:29
    therefore Y I can see I can see the
  • 53:33
    googors I can see them on the whiteboard
  • 53:36
    okay here's race X ray
  • 53:38
    and why we do the route square root of
  • 53:39
    that and these guys everything's
  • 53:41
    mathematics to them everything they even
  • 53:44
    hate speech oh we got a formula for that
  • 53:46
    is it weird to you that you had to make
  • 53:47
    a rule that said this shouldn't be
  • 53:49
    allowed and this wasn't covered either
  • 53:51
    by an existing role that you had to tell
  • 53:52
    your community look this is not
  • 53:53
    acceptable well so actually it's a lot
  • 53:56
    of this you know if we're a global
  • 53:57
    company of course and so if you look at
  • 54:00
    European laws because there are a number
  • 54:02
    of countries that I have a really strong
  • 54:04
    hate speech law and which country has
  • 54:06
    very strong hate speech laws she's
  • 54:09
    referred I know she's referring to she's
  • 54:12
    referring to Germany's uh you can't talk
  • 54:15
    Nazi stuff you can't have a swastika and
  • 54:19
    there's some in the UK there's some some
  • 54:21
    of that in the UK but I don't know about
  • 54:23
    very strong but okay this country this a
  • 54:26
    lot of this country had never been
  • 54:27
    allowed in those countries but had
  • 54:28
    actually been allowed in the US and and
  • 54:31
    you know many other countries and so
  • 54:33
    what we had actually done with it a few
  • 54:34
    years ago is we had actually had limited
  • 54:37
    features so what she's saying actually
  • 54:39
    is that they actually already had these
  • 54:41
    limitation features on hate speech
  • 54:43
    actually and they had actually made that
  • 54:45
    less restrictive in the u.s. all they
  • 54:47
    had to do was flips which apparently
  • 54:48
    meaning that it wasn't in the
  • 54:51
    recommendations
  • 54:52
    it wasn't monetized I had an
  • 54:53
    interstitial in front of it to say that
  • 54:56
    it was content that we found offensive
  • 54:58
    and when we did that we actually reduce
  • 55:00
    the views to it by 80 percent it's
  • 55:03
    interesting what she's saying here is
  • 55:05
    the way they have their system actually
  • 55:07
    already working actually is they would
  • 55:10
    not put an ad in front of it
  • 55:12
    they would maybe even put an
  • 55:14
    interstitial which would be they would
  • 55:15
    that she means a warning and what they
  • 55:19
    would do is they would reduce its
  • 55:21
    viewership or its surfacing as a
  • 55:23
    recommendation by up to 80% notice not a
  • 55:27
    hundred percent not kicking you off why
  • 55:29
    because she does want people to view you
  • 55:33
    your video and click on other things
  • 55:36
    where they can make advertising money
  • 55:37
    and that is explained in a moment but
  • 55:39
    another example we found that it was
  • 55:40
    effective but we really wanted to take
  • 55:42
    this additional step and we made this
  • 55:44
    step on Wednesday we also added which is
  • 55:46
    really important to a few other
  • 55:48
    important
  • 55:49
    two protected groups so we added caste
  • 55:52
    because YouTube has become so
  • 55:53
    significant in India and then we also
  • 55:56
    added victims of verified violent events
  • 55:58
    so like saying the Holocaust didn't
  • 56:00
    happen or Sandy Hook didn't have it also
  • 56:02
    became violations of our policies and so
  • 56:04
    this was happening on Wednesday and we
  • 56:06
    launched it on Wednesday so how about
  • 56:08
    that just as an example you can't say no
  • 56:12
    one got hurt at Sandy Hook because
  • 56:15
    that's you know if people got hurt
  • 56:16
    during a big massive event then you
  • 56:19
    can't deny that that's very interesting
  • 56:23
    that that's the that's the the attack
  • 56:25
    that they've chosen and the reason why
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    is of course a parent in this one we
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    look at these accounts there are many
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    different components that we look at if
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    I were to do it again I would put it all
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    into one in one go yeah we're not gonna
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    help you make money on YouTube
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    monetization meaning we're not gonna run
  • 56:44
    ads against your stuff if you still want
  • 56:46
    to sell racist coffee mugs or whatever
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    you're selling that's your business but
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    we're not gonna help you we're not gonna
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    put an ad in front of your stuff so what
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    she's explaining here is why they will
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    de monetize but will not kick somebody
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    off you mugs or whatever you're selling
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    that's your business but we're not gonna
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    help you
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    we're not gonna put an ad in front of
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    your stuff well we said we're not gonna
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    put an ad in front of it but but the
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    conditions by which we mate will turn it
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    on can be broader than than just that so
  • 57:15
    for example if they're selling
  • 57:18
    merchandise and linking off of YouTube
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    and that is see she's not she what's he
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    saying is if your said if you're making
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    money outside of us yeah we really don't
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    want you to do that so we're gonna kind
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    of D monetize you but if you stop doing
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    that and this is just a mug that they're
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    that they're referencing I don't think
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    it was a racist mug was it racist mug it
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    was just a mug looking that guy who
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    crowd or whatever his name is right so
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    this is a commercial decision which I
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    understand is up 20 seconds you know
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    seen as racist or causing other problems
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    that we that's something that we will
  • 57:55
    discuss with the creator because again
  • 57:56
    we are
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    we're like putting advertising there so
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    we need to make sure that the
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    advertisers are going to be ok with it
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    and we have a higher standard and so you
  • 58:05
    can sort of look at all different parts
  • 58:06
    of that creator and and what they're
  • 58:08
    doing and basically apply that higher
  • 58:11
    standard there she never mentions what
  • 58:14
    the higher standard is because did we
  • 58:17
    all know what it is
  • 58:18
    brand safe that's your higher standard
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    yes this is something we've been harping
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    on now I should mention that I don't
  • 58:26
    know why this is a surprise to anybody
  • 58:27
    if anyone has experience with google
  • 58:30
    adsense in the early days mm-hmm
  • 58:32
    Google was very adamant about how these
  • 58:35
    things are gonna be placed in one
  • 58:36
    competition they don't like the idea so
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    they don't want you doing anything that
  • 58:40
    would interfere with their their streams
  • 58:44
    their financial streams come in there
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    they don't want you kind of latching on
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    to somehow and piggybacking on and
  • 58:52
    making money on your own without them
  • 58:53
    being in the middle that's all I got to
  • 58:55
    go through them yes every sub it's just
  • 58:57
    a style people won't have to go along
  • 59:01
    with it there's alternatives but nobody
  • 59:04
    wants you know YouTube is set up to you
  • 59:06
    know make it easy for everybody to put
  • 59:08
    their videos there so an assertion
  • 59:11
    happens by the way if YouTube just folds
  • 59:13
    into all the videos go away wonder why
  • 59:16
    would the world be different and how
  • 59:18
    would people react to that I wonder well
  • 59:21
    an assertion that we videos an assertion
  • 59:25
    that we came up with is that these
  • 59:28
    celebrity youtubers are insignificant to
  • 59:32
    their business insignificant to their
  • 59:35
    business in in regards to the actual
  • 59:38
    revenue so you know I agree well she's
  • 59:42
    gonna tell you how insignificant what
  • 59:43
    percentage do you think are of their
  • 59:48
    entire well she doesn't necessarily say
  • 59:50
    revenue but of all the videos that are
  • 59:53
    monetized by Google what percentage do
  • 59:56
    you think is is big and problematic or
  • 59:59
    just problematic because they're big
  • 1:00:01
    probably mean they're too big to fail no
  • 1:00:05
    the ones that is like Crowder and Joe
  • 1:00:08
    Rogan or Alex Jones or
  • 1:00:10
    anyone whose or laura Loomer or laura
  • 1:00:13
    southern or any of these people who
  • 1:00:14
    think that they're really important
  • 1:00:16
    what percentage of youtube's actual
  • 1:00:19
    business is the 1% or less can't fathom
  • 1:00:22
    why there's 8 million pieces of terrible
  • 1:00:24
    things coming onto your site on a
  • 1:00:26
    quarterly basis but that would really
  • 1:00:27
    upset me and worried me well it matters
  • 1:00:30
    what's the denominator like you you gave
  • 1:00:33
    the numerator right and so you know we
  • 1:00:36
    have a large denominator meaning we have
  • 1:00:38
    like lots of content is uploaded and
  • 1:00:40
    lots of users and and lots of really
  • 1:00:42
    good content and you know when we look
  • 1:00:45
    at it you know what that what all the
  • 1:00:48
    news and the concerns and the stories
  • 1:00:50
    have been have been about this
  • 1:00:52
    fractional 1% you talk about the other
  • 1:00:55
    ninety-nine point you know what you know
  • 1:00:59
    whatever that number is like that's all
  • 1:01:02
    really valuable content of people who
  • 1:01:04
    are sharing valuable points of view that
  • 1:01:06
    we haven't heard about educational
  • 1:01:07
    content addressing really important
  • 1:01:11
    issues and so I think it's important to
  • 1:01:14
    remember that and put that in
  • 1:01:15
    perspective and I say that not because
  • 1:01:17
    we are not committed to solving the
  • 1:01:20
    fractional 1% like we are very committed
  • 1:01:23
    and I've been really clear that this is
  • 1:01:24
    that responsibility is my number one
  • 1:01:26
    priority and there is a lot of work for
  • 1:01:29
    us to do I acknowledge that but I also
  • 1:01:31
    know that we have tremendous tools at
  • 1:01:33
    our fingertips that we can continue to
  • 1:01:36
    invest in to do a better job
  • 1:01:38
    fractional 1% you can't even give us the
  • 1:01:42
    fraction it's so small it's probably
  • 1:01:44
    half of a percent responsibility is her
  • 1:01:48
    number one priority no what was it again
  • 1:01:50
    she has a funny phrase was it right in
  • 1:01:52
    the beginning no is it the near the end
  • 1:01:57
    the fractional 1% like we are very
  • 1:02:01
    committed and I've been really clear
  • 1:02:02
    that this is the responsibility is my
  • 1:02:04
    number one priority and responsibility
  • 1:02:07
    what does that mean I think she means
  • 1:02:10
    number one priority responsibility it's
  • 1:02:13
    like what's your number-one priority uh
  • 1:02:15
    you know keep my washing my hands before
  • 1:02:19
    you know you know response what she
  • 1:02:21
    means in gooks be
  • 1:02:23
    it should be gooped speak not goop talk
  • 1:02:25
    I think it's gugak you think it's better
  • 1:02:29
    Google Talk Google who speak could fit
  • 1:02:34
    more within a normal meme yeah we had
  • 1:02:38
    will have to debate this later Oh Google
  • 1:02:40
    you take responsibility for the
  • 1:02:43
    borderline fractional 1% of issues
  • 1:02:47
    that's why she took responsibility for
  • 1:02:50
    hurting the LGBTQ community you see the
  • 1:02:56
    first question out of the gate the first
  • 1:02:58
    question she got from the audience was
  • 1:03:00
    ina freed are you familiar with ina
  • 1:03:02
    freed oh yeah by enough read who used to
  • 1:03:05
    be
  • 1:03:06
    Ian freed is transgender oh I dead named
  • 1:03:10
    her I'm sorry and here was her question
  • 1:03:12
    yep being afraid with Axios you started
  • 1:03:14
    off with an apology to the LGBTQ
  • 1:03:17
    community but then you also said that
  • 1:03:19
    you were involved in that you think
  • 1:03:21
    YouTube made the right call a lot of
  • 1:03:23
    people don't really feel like that's an
  • 1:03:24
    apology and are concerned that YouTube
  • 1:03:27
    flags lgbtq+ content just for being LGBT
  • 1:03:32
    as sometimes you know sensitive and yet
  • 1:03:36
    slurs are allowed and I'm curious are
  • 1:03:38
    you really sorry for anything to LGBTQ
  • 1:03:41
    community or are you just sorry that
  • 1:03:42
    they were offended I'm really personally
  • 1:03:54
    very sorry and I it was not our intent
  • 1:03:57
    our goal was you know YouTube has always
  • 1:03:59
    been a home of so many LGBTQ creators
  • 1:04:02
    and that's why it was it was so
  • 1:04:07
    emotional why really that's why even
  • 1:04:16
    though it was a hard decision it was
  • 1:04:17
    made harder than it came from us because
  • 1:04:18
    we've been such an important home and
  • 1:04:20
    the why what is wrong with her is that
  • 1:04:22
    this is their problem this is their
  • 1:04:24
    fractional 1% issue is that the social
  • 1:04:28
    justice warriors are relentless will not
  • 1:04:30
    stop for anything find find fault in in
  • 1:04:37
    in almost anything anyone says it's this
  • 1:04:41
    it's social justice warriors it's and
  • 1:04:45
    then they don't want the stories they
  • 1:04:47
    can't have the negative press and we've
  • 1:04:49
    been through this because that I didn't
  • 1:04:53
    clip all this of course but she even
  • 1:04:55
    said oh no we've reduced these things at
  • 1:04:56
    50% all of this whole blitz that she's
  • 1:05:01
    on is to inform advertisers it's safe
  • 1:05:05
    over here it's less than 1% we've and
  • 1:05:08
    even that we we we don't even show the
  • 1:05:11
    mom almost 20% maybe I think they're in
  • 1:05:15
    some serious trouble when it comes to
  • 1:05:17
    the advertising business I think they're
  • 1:05:21
    gonna have a real problem they haven't
  • 1:05:25
    taken over the whole thing and they're
  • 1:05:30
    set in a position where they have to
  • 1:05:32
    grow to maintain their stock price and
  • 1:05:35
    everything in between they're in serious
  • 1:05:37
    trouble insofar as growth but I don't
  • 1:05:40
    think they're in serious trouble is in
  • 1:05:42
    so far as it's gonna recede on them and
  • 1:05:44
    they're gonna make less and less money
  • 1:05:46
    like the newspapers well the competition
  • 1:05:51
    for their type of advertising is growing
  • 1:05:54
    and that's the all the other streaming
  • 1:05:57
    services including the the mains the m5
  • 1:06:00
    television networks who were all you
  • 1:06:02
    have now going into streaming and and
  • 1:06:06
    where people are buying more ads well
  • 1:06:12
    I'm not well they those ads would have
  • 1:06:14
    gone to the fractional ads and they
  • 1:06:17
    would have gone into network TV if they
  • 1:06:20
    could afford them because that's where
  • 1:06:22
    the action is for the big money spends
  • 1:06:24
    nowadays there's big magazines used to
  • 1:06:27
    suck him up good big giant magazine
  • 1:06:29
    would get into I think Vogue magazine
  • 1:06:31
    he's still a big giant magazine it's a
  • 1:06:33
    $2,000 for a page mm-hmm yeah which you
  • 1:06:36
    can't there's nothing like that and on
  • 1:06:37
    online no and I don't know I I think
  • 1:06:44
    their problem is this this introspection
  • 1:06:46
    may be damaging them when you have
  • 1:06:48
    somebody like this woman who's like you
  • 1:06:50
    know just fretting fretting and worried
  • 1:06:53
    sick
  • 1:06:53
    since apologizing wind of awkward ways
  • 1:06:57
    that she get called up and not
  • 1:06:58
    apologizing when she probably is
  • 1:07:00
    sincerely apologizing instead of yeah
  • 1:07:03
    apologizing very I'm sorry I hurt your
  • 1:07:05
    feet I'm sorry you've the I'm sorry you
  • 1:07:07
    think I hurt I'm sorry that's my
  • 1:07:10
    favorite I'm sorry you felt butthurt
  • 1:07:12
    about that
  • 1:07:13
    yeah I'm sincerely sorry yeah that you
  • 1:07:17
    you know that sort of apology which is
  • 1:07:19
    not what she did but that she got called
  • 1:07:21
    on it anyway and folded she just jumped
  • 1:07:24
    on him it's not what I said
  • 1:07:26
    no I know she didn't say that I didn't
  • 1:07:31
    say I'm sorry cuz you feel bad I said I
  • 1:07:34
    am sorry that this happened
  • 1:07:35
    period well the correct answer came from
  • 1:07:39
    Google CEO sundar pichai who was is
  • 1:07:42
    interviewed separately by ina freed
  • 1:07:45
    quickie thought may be a good place to
  • 1:07:46
    start his view tube and obviously it
  • 1:07:48
    comes up a lot what goes through your
  • 1:07:50
    mind when you watch a video like the
  • 1:07:52
    recent one you have this teenager what
  • 1:07:54
    appeared to be donning Muslim garb
  • 1:07:56
    spewing a lot of anti-muslim
  • 1:07:58
    anti-semitic homophobic hey what goes
  • 1:08:01
    through your mind when you see a video
  • 1:08:02
    like that and see that it's gotten
  • 1:08:04
    350,000 views and I'm thinking let me
  • 1:08:07
    see 350 times 15 CPM I'm thinking to
  • 1:08:10
    bingo I don't know all the details of
  • 1:08:13
    this specific
  • 1:08:13
    video but in general look coming all of
  • 1:08:16
    us in a none of us worn harmful content
  • 1:08:19
    on our platform last quarter alone we
  • 1:08:22
    removed 9 million videos from the
  • 1:08:24
    platform more recently we have
  • 1:08:25
    introduced you know just like today we
  • 1:08:27
    do this in search we you know we add
  • 1:08:29
    rank content based on quality and so
  • 1:08:32
    we're bringing that same notion and
  • 1:08:34
    approach to YouTube so that we can rank
  • 1:08:36
    higher quality stuff better and really
  • 1:08:39
    prevent borderline content content which
  • 1:08:43
    doesn't exactly violate policies which
  • 1:08:45
    need to be removed but that you can
  • 1:08:47
    still cause harm and so we are working
  • 1:08:49
    hard it's a hard computer science
  • 1:08:52
    problem it's also hard societal problem
  • 1:08:54
    because we need better frameworks around
  • 1:08:55
    what is hate speech what's not and how
  • 1:08:58
    do we as a company make those positions
  • 1:08:59
    of scale and get it right without making
  • 1:09:02
    mistakes I love that is just a hard
  • 1:09:04
    computer science problem that's my
  • 1:09:06
    favorite answer that's classic now I
  • 1:09:08
    want to mention something don't you
  • 1:09:10
    think a website that was just totally
  • 1:09:12
    kicked butt would be called the nine
  • 1:09:14
    million ooh
  • 1:09:17
    now no yeah that's a lot of videos well
  • 1:09:25
    that's and that's just in three months
  • 1:09:27
    as I said in the last year now quarter
  • 1:09:29
    quarter they said quarter mm-hmm holy
  • 1:09:33
    moly well that was that well actually
  • 1:09:36
    that was well interestingly in the in
  • 1:09:40
    the recode interview it was it was 8
  • 1:09:42
    million and I don't know if the sundar
  • 1:09:44
    was done before after but he said 9
  • 1:09:46
    million so but I think the CEO might be
  • 1:09:48
    I don't know the CEO of the whole kit
  • 1:09:50
    and kaboodle I don't know whoever's
  • 1:09:51
    right but yeah it's a lot then that's
  • 1:09:53
    their perch and that's their ten
  • 1:09:55
    thousand reviewers and whatever AI
  • 1:09:58
    thingies they have going yeah yeah sure
  • 1:10:03
    the AI thing is useless
  • 1:10:04
    it's yeah well just one of the many
  • 1:10:09
    reasons why we eleven seasons ago you
  • 1:10:11
    can turn it into years if you want to
  • 1:10:13
    chose a very different model so that we
  • 1:10:15
    could never get kicked off but
  • 1:10:18
    we vowed to consistent poverty and that
  • 1:10:21
    is why I'd like to thank you for your
  • 1:10:23
    courage to say in the morning to you
  • 1:10:24
    John
  • 1:10:24
    see Dvorak the more y'all ships at sea
  • 1:10:30
    boots on the ground feet in the air and
  • 1:10:32
    sucks in the water in the morning to the
  • 1:10:39
    troll room no agenda stream calm very
  • 1:10:43
    trollee today for some reason
  • 1:10:44
    oh yeah they got this very trollee I
  • 1:10:47
    mean all kinds of side topics I don't
  • 1:10:49
    know if they're paying attention at all
  • 1:10:50
    in there it doesn't seem like also in
  • 1:10:53
    the morning - how is it that guy again
  • 1:10:56
    who's this CSB guy is that my comic
  • 1:10:59
    strip blogger dippers comic strip
  • 1:11:02
    blogger that's what he'd put we want to
  • 1:11:06
    thank CSB for the artwork for episode
  • 1:11:09
    1145 the title of that was dumb meat and
  • 1:11:12
    it was the report hate speech tap here
  • 1:11:15
    button which interestingly on many
  • 1:11:18
    podcast players actually does something
  • 1:11:20
    when you when you hit that it give it
  • 1:11:23
    does something gives you like show notes
  • 1:11:24
    or something doesn't report anything
  • 1:11:27
    there's a great piece of art we thought
  • 1:11:29
    it was very funny and we appreciate the
  • 1:11:30
    work that all of our artistic producers
  • 1:11:33
    and I said artistic producers do and no
  • 1:11:36
    agenda art generator comm where you can
  • 1:11:38
    always find some fun art for a project
  • 1:11:41
    maybe like no agenda shop comm then and