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1171: Slutty Vegan

Adam Curry & John C. Dvorak

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September 8th, 2019
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Executive Producers: Sir Henry of Flowerfield, Sir Vito, Michael Howie & The Calgary Meetup

Associate Executive Producers: Hunter Lambdin, Paul Kroculick, Matthew Lohmar, Dame Pamela Hagg, Anoushka Blik-Wardy

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  • 0:00
    I'm the pond father listen to me Adam
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    curry John C. Dvorak this is your
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    award-winning nation media assassination
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    episode 11 71 this is no agenda star
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    state in the morning everybody
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    I'm Adam curry and from Northern Silicon
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    Valley where we're watching hurricane
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    Dorian it doesn't seem to be coming here
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    anytime soon I'm Chauncey Devore yeah
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    but apparently it's going to Kanda
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    Naevia
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    that's his already hitted it's hits it's
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    hated the candidates and it's getting
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    stronger
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    it hit Nova Scotia hmm and they brought
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    the troops in and no I guess now it's
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    headed over to the British Isles it's
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    gonna hit Ireland it's gonna go down the
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    coast yeah it'd take out most of the
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    coast of France and it's gonna bounce
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    around it's all done by the Chinese were
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    there weather modification technique
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    finally we agree on something
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    somebody's finally got a hold of this
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    they got that steering wheel they're
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    moving this thing around you know what
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    its gonna do it's gonna decimate
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    everything in its path decimate just
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    decimate decimated decimated decimated
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    and people from the island of avec ou
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    are now taking refuge in Nassau after
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    hurricane durian decimated their homes
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    get our first glimpse of the decimated
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    Bahama Islands from the air nature's
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    fury
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    my shopper and the northern part of
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    Africa is completely decimated it's it's
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    a minor minor bitch that I have this
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    then not minor no but we gave up on it
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    we gave up on this a long time ago well
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    who knew it was gonna make such a
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    comeback and then and then how can you
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    use the frayed well watch it back up and
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    give people the definition of decimate
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    yeah decimated technically means 10% is
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    gone you're not it's been cut down to
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    10% but and think about it decimated
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    10/10 is bent end so they took and this
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    comes from isn't this from the from
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    Roman times the use Robin yeah yeah so
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    will it go and decimate they come into
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    some area that did kill 10% of the
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    people now to say completely decimated
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    yes it's right on the nose completely
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    decimated I think it's okay if you acts
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    for decimation otherwise it's just
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    devastated would have been better
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    devastated would have been probably
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    correct and we're making light of it but
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    holy crap decimated please yes when you
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    hear the word decimated think of the No
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    Agenda show yes and remember that means
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    1 out of 10 it means 10 percent
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    decimated yeah it was in sigh roared the
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    two of us together we discovered that
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    you would discovered it's this not the
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    stuff you idiots are using the word
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    wrong but you know eight years ago I
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    think so yeah and so we started and I
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    guess we went on a little rampage about
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    it nobody paid attention so they're
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    still using the word improperly let me
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    see if it's still let me see if it's if
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    they still
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    oh it's changed a little bit let's go to
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    merriam-webster which we I think we've
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    used consistently
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    so now definition of decimate to select
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    by lot and kill every tenth man so that
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    is the correct definition or to exact a
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    tax of 10% to reduce drastically
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    especially in number so now it gets a
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    little funkier and so that's 3a and 3b
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    is to cause great destruction or harm to
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    so the language is a minor new use
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    change minor and new usage I don't know
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    if that's as bad as sharpie gate but we
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    were done with it in 45 seconds so we're
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    dumb we're done with bitching about
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    decimated but this Sharpie gate thing
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    I'm sure you follow this to some or you
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    her like no brother call it map gate
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    2019 the question this morning did
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    President Trump show a doctored map
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    hoping to prove he was right when he
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    warned Hurricane Dorian would hit
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    Alabama the president displaying that
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    map in the Oval Office that was the
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    original chart and you see it was going
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    to hit not only Florida but Georgia
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    could have was going toward the Gulf
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    that was what we what was originally
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    projected and it took the right turn
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    take a closer look the black line
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    projecting that Dorian would move from
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    Florida to Alabama appears to be drawn
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    on by a marker here's the original
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    issues last Thursday by the National
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    Hurricane Center Alabama in the clear
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    President Trump has repeatedly insisted
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    Alabama was in Dorian's path the
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    National Weather Service even forced to
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    correct him saying Alabama will not see
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    any impacts from Dorian but he's still
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    not backing down I know that Alabama was
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    in the original forecast but Alabama was
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    hit very hard and was going to be we hit
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    very hard along with Georgia now FEMA
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    and NOAA referring all questions about
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    the seemingly doctored map back to the
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    White House where President Trump's that
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    he knew nothing about it so hold on I
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    said I'd know about this dis event I
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    didn't know it was called sharpie gate
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    well first of all the fact that this is
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    the cousin national conversation on the
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    so-called news while well while all that
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    well the Bahamas are decimated what what
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    do these people have time for by the way
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    I used a photo in the last newsletter
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    that was a sharpie gate the IP image
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    because there's a bunch of these memes
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    going around and then when I put on the
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    newsletters quite funny but this is like
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    yeah this is kind of a mountain out of a
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    molehill kind of a well it's looking for
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    anything I guess I don't know and my
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    favorite one I think was one of the
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    newspaper said it's legal but Noah
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    actually came out and said yeah actually
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    the president's right that there was an
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    actual ten percent the chance five to
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    ten percent of Alabama yeah when they
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    wouldn't all the spaghetti stuff that
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    what came but sure and that's another
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    thing that is so fantastic no one in the
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    mainstream
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    that's an eye at fifteen spaghetti
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    string so-called models none of which
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    actually appeared to be correct at least
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    not initially that's okay but then you
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    know this little extra line which I
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    don't think Trump drew that it's maybe
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    he do so who cares but then what was the
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    point of him like vouching for Alabama
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    so much to distract from the fact that
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    this was a Chinese weather weapon that
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    we're combating maybe uh-huh
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    let's not look a second half a show okay
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    this saved it okay
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    yes I would be wiping this hour but this
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    one this went pretty far Yale
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    psychiatrist explains the dangerous
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    mental pathology behind Trump's unhinged
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    Sharpie gate fiasco
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    I mean they're really yeah they're
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    really taking it that far
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    he's unhinged and grown up with the
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    sharpie took a mainline doctor ban DX
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    Lee now this is that's the woman who
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    wrote China Chinese well she wrote the
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    book and has all the psychologists onto
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    her yeah she's a trump is incapable of
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    backing down no matter how wrong he is
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    in a sense becoming his own worst enemy
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    and the ramifications for the country
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    beyond one silly viral moment
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    so hey that's the news everybody that's
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    what the news is doing is they're
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    talking about Sharpie gait the meanwhile
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    can the Navy is getting decimated
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    these parts of one of the models maybe I
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    mean I have to go back a little guy
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    because I do have that spaghetti chart
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    somewhere in my files hmm
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    if any of them all showed that thing
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    just taking a right and bouncing up the
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    coast at North Carolina then hitting
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    Nova Scotia this is pretty much of a
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    longshot model I'm curious if it's there
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    you should go back and take a look at
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    that
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    well because it's a do we have a lot of
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    it they had models going every which way
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    yeah Oh secondly we have a lot of echo
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    today it's an you sound echo II to me
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    maybe not but I think chatroom do I
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    sound echo II
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    so we're witnessing something moving
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    along here we're witnessing something in
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    real time which is fun to watch true
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    manipulation of the media and by the
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    media and by PR consultants and
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    lobbyists to change perception and usher
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    in laws that solidify a small number of
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    large companies sounds familiar I'm sure
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    but I wanted I wanted to get this out
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    right away because this is something
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    that I want everyone to be aware of and
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    to watch because it's really fun when
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    you understand how it works and how long
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    have we been tracking the vape wars
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    about three years now maybe a little
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    longer
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    you met Dexter Adam hergenrother is been
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    in an illinois hospital for a week from
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    vaping they told me if we didn't bring
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    him in when we brought him in his lungs
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    would have collapsed and he would have
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    died the Centers for Disease Control has
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    now identified 450 possible vaping
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    related illnesses in 33 states vaping is
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    the only common factor in these injuries
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    to date many individuals have reported
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    vaping THC the ingredient in marijuana
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    or other substances the CDC says it's
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    too early to point to a single common
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    substance in all cases but earlier this
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    week New York state health officials
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    said vitamin E acetate found in some
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    vaping products is a focal point of
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    their investigation like most who fell
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    ill Adam Hogan writer says he used THC
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    vapes
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    and also vaped nicotine in a separate
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    product made by Joule the largest
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    cigarette maker in the country I didn't
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    know what nicotine was in a statement
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    Joule lab said the ingredients of our
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    products do not include THC or vitamin E
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    compounds like those found in THC
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    products regardless health officials
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    warn don't take chances folks really
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    should consider
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    not using these products not vaping
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    until more is known about what is
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    causing these lung injuries the Food and
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    Drug Administration is also
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    investigating and it has collected 120
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    samples it's now testing to determine
  • 11:48
    which chemical compound may be causing
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    so many bad reactions so that's kind of
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    the headline which most people have
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    heard yes yeah hold on
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    did somebody slip in the word that guy
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    did slipped in the word differ when I
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    first first started dueling oh yeah no
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    of course this is this is about putting
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    Joule the company that sold 30% to atria
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    formerly known as Philip Morris for 18
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    billion dollars and Reynolds is in this
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    as well the idea is to make Joule in
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    particular the only vape you can buy and
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    let me explain a little bit how this
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    works because this has been done exactly
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    the same way by Big Tobacco who now
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    effectively owns Joule so first let's
  • 12:35
    start with these jewel the founders of
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    Joule have a kind of a weird they're
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    weird part of this story is they created
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    the Joule device as a smoking cessation
  • 12:46
    device so that you will stop smoking
  • 12:49
    that's actually kind of a negative for
  • 12:51
    them because they're being sued now for
  • 12:54
    making false claims and unproven claims
  • 12:56
    and but that's that's a little bit of a
  • 12:58
    side issue I went as deep as I could to
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    find out who these three people were who
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    died from vaping let's just leave in the
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    middle what they were vaping it turns
  • 13:09
    out two of them were gentlemen over 65
  • 13:13
    years old who has had serious lung
  • 13:15
    issues and had vaped THC and so they
  • 13:20
    died and you know no one is conclusively
  • 13:23
    saying these people are getting sick
  • 13:25
    from this or these people died from this
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    but for sure they're conflicted
  • 13:30
    conflating not complaint they are
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    intermingling vaping of ejuice vaping of
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    THC and jool into one nice little
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    bundled story and here's how it's
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    supposed to work
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    they have 600 lobbyists right now in
  • 13:48
    Washington for vaping for vaping Jul the
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    company alone before the purchase before
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    the the partial acquisition had 88
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    lobbyists they all want to do the same
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    thing which is how Big Tobacco did it
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    previously you want to swoop in and
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    create state laws as and is happening
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    everywhere
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    it's it's it's happening in Texas this
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    month age is going to 21 there's a
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    couple other things in there why do they
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    want the state laws because they have
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    much bigger control on state
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    representatives particularly tobacco
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    states but they have a lot of control
  • 14:28
    over them a lot of money going into this
  • 14:30
    and the minute they get the state laws
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    in place CDs can no longer create
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    ordinances and they put in all these
  • 14:37
    preemptions so there's many different
  • 14:41
    little subtle things like Oh doesn't
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    count for veterans you know if you got
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    one leg and you're and you're near
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    school you can buy it anyway there's all
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    these little things and it makes the it
  • 14:52
    makes the policing of the measures much
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    more difficult this is exactly what RJR
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    did there's nothing new except the media
  • 15:01
    is either playing into it half of them
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    probably are and the other ones are too
  • 15:05
    dumb not to know history and here's an
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    example of Michigan and the big stories
  • 15:11
    snuffing out an epidemic Michigan
  • 15:13
    becoming the first state to ban the sale
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    of flavored East cigarettes Gretchen
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    Whitmer tis very important flavored
  • 15:20
    e-cigarettes flavor accusing a cigarette
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    companies of using deceptive advertising
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    and candy flavors to hook kids on
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    nicotine Whitmer ordering the Health
  • 15:30
    Department to issue emergency rules to
  • 15:33
    ban sales in the state aisle this after
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    a series of mysterious respiratory
  • 15:37
    illnesses right here in Michigan and all
  • 15:38
    around the country all associated with
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    vaping the vaping industry already
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    responding leading manufacturer Jule
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    labs pushing back on the pending ban
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    including menthol based products like
  • 15:49
    mint flavoring saying we believe that to
  • 15:52
    encourage adult smokers to switch from
  • 15:54
    combustible use the number one cause of
  • 15:56
    preventable death in the world they
  • 15:58
    should be available at retail alongside
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    tobacco vape shop owners sounding the
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    alarm that the ban will bulldoze their
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    business I've never witnessed one
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    transaction that doesn't have flavor in
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    it so if this continues and that's the
  • 16:15
    point they want the little vape shops
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    shut down because true almost all
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    liquids are flavored it's very I like
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    tobacco is very hard to get a tobacco
  • 16:26
    flavor unless oh guess what you go to
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    jail who are the main manufacturers of
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    tobacco flavored products yeah they have
  • 16:34
    some menthol but I'm sure they'll figure
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    that out so the it's very simple get the
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    state laws in place squash all of the
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    independent people who created the
  • 16:43
    industry scare people into using nothing
  • 16:47
    unless it's FDA approved and jool is
  • 16:49
    gonna be the ruler right on top that's
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    what's going on here and you can watch
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    it in everything
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    well I do believe I do believe you
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    believe that there is a one competitor
  • 17:02
    I've seen him advertising there which is
  • 17:04
    on the Joule level I think it's tobacco
  • 17:06
    company yeah there is there's one other
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    product I forget the name of it but yeah
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    yeah looking back on this is that is
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    that for a couple of things that people
  • 17:15
    could note this all came on out of the
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    blue all of a sudden every you know
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    everybody's reporting on it across the
  • 17:22
    country history indicates this is some
  • 17:24
    sort of a PR scam and the thing was is
  • 17:28
    remembers just two or three years ago
  • 17:30
    when the whole scene was just really
  • 17:35
    I wouldn't say vibrant but it was
  • 17:37
    rocking and there was all these shops
  • 17:39
    everywhere and that's when those guys
  • 17:40
    had these you know 25 volt DC boxes that
  • 17:45
    they breathe the you know the oh this is
  • 17:47
    the giant vape cloud and they blow it
  • 17:50
    out and it would fill a room with smoke
  • 17:53
    and you see this weren't those guys all
  • 17:55
    in in at the hospital you'd think no
  • 17:59
    because it's untrue now it's very
  • 18:02
    possible that this teickhoff roll
  • 18:05
    acetate which is vitamin-e acetate that
  • 18:09
    is where's that in a vape well that's in
  • 18:11
    the THC which is typically home build
  • 18:14
    stuff you know they people get carts off
  • 18:16
    of Alibaba they throw some stuff in
  • 18:19
    there they throw some some dab basically
  • 18:22
    you know come highly extracted THC and
  • 18:27
    they want to you know get some oil there
  • 18:29
    so that it can convey per eyes and you
  • 18:32
    know that it may actually be hurting
  • 18:34
    people absolutely but you don't want to
  • 18:37
    do this kind of experimentation of get
  • 18:39
    stuff off of the street there are
  • 18:40
    reputable companies if you if you want
  • 18:42
    to vape your THC they're very safe
  • 18:45
    approved and you get it from California
  • 18:48
    mainly anything else is of course
  • 18:50
    dangerous and there's all kinds of you
  • 18:52
    know you can get popcorn lung and all
  • 18:55
    these different things that people
  • 18:56
    warned about but having been a lifelong
  • 19:00
    tobacco smoker and having stopped and
  • 19:03
    pretty much moved to vape there are some
  • 19:06
    definite side effects
  • 19:08
    such as I am not short of breath I can
  • 19:12
    bicycle longer at spin there's a whole
  • 19:14
    bunch of side effects that seems to be
  • 19:16
    quite beneficial but I don't use some
  • 19:20
    hokey cartridge that some guides palmed
  • 19:24
    off to me on the corner of the street
  • 19:26
    that's what may have been happening
  • 19:28
    there but it it's kind of moot because
  • 19:30
    this is a Hill and Knowlton job or some
  • 19:33
    other company who knows exactly how to
  • 19:36
    do this and they're succeeding it's
  • 19:38
    great and now it's the CDC versus the
  • 19:41
    FDA well guess who's gonna win you know
  • 19:44
    it's gonna be the FDA and they'll give
  • 19:46
    the go-ahead to jewel and if you want to
  • 19:49
    make a flavored liquid that'll be okay
  • 19:50
    but you'll have to pay about a million
  • 19:52
    dollars to go to the approval process at
  • 19:55
    least that's what jewel will set it at
  • 19:57
    so no one else can compete yes it'll
  • 20:00
    scam yeah works is the American Way and
  • 20:03
    just like the marijuana industry you can
  • 20:07
    totally ignore it you can make your own
  • 20:09
    illiquid at home you don't need to go
  • 20:12
    buy anything if you don't want to you
  • 20:14
    can ensure that it's safe like marijuana
  • 20:16
    you don't have to buy it in the
  • 20:17
    dispensary you can actually take a seed
  • 20:19
    and grow it yourself it's quite fun to
  • 20:20
    do
  • 20:22
    though but I do want everyone to pay
  • 20:24
    attention to this because you'll see it
  • 20:26
    you'll see more and more yes apparently
  • 20:29
    calling you of nothing else that's like
  • 20:31
    calling me it's a it's fun to watch once
  • 20:33
    you're aware of what's going on then
  • 20:35
    it's fun to see you know how they're
  • 20:37
    doing it and how the news media is all
  • 20:40
    in oh and completely know no questions
  • 20:43
    asked just they have no interest in
  • 20:46
    actually digging into the story even
  • 20:48
    just a bit superficially know it which
  • 20:51
    is all you need to do to get to the
  • 20:54
    bottom of it but they won't even do that
  • 20:55
    much work it's just not it's beyond them
  • 20:59
    just get there to get the video press
  • 21:00
    release from some oldest look at this is
  • 21:02
    all packaged up all we need is a
  • 21:04
    voiceover there was another one of these
  • 21:06
    like that that came out and I think I
  • 21:09
    know where this is coming from and this
  • 21:11
    is the Oxford report on vegetarians I
  • 21:16
    hope you heard this one I believe so
  • 21:19
    yeah let's let's listen to the intro
  • 21:22
    plant-based eating has momentum more and
  • 21:25
    more people giving up meat here in
  • 21:26
    Atlanta you'll find a long line like
  • 21:28
    this at the restaurant slutty vegan last
  • 21:31
    month KFC tested there was no video
  • 21:39
    while they were saying it sounded like
  • 21:41
    slutty vegan to me last month KFC tested
  • 21:45
    plant-based chicken it sold out in less
  • 21:47
    than five hours Burger King has a
  • 21:48
    meatless burger option now as well
  • 21:50
    according to global data there's been a
  • 21:53
    600 percent increase in people
  • 21:55
    identifying as vegan in the United
  • 21:57
    States from 2014 to 2017 but a new study
  • 22:00
    links vegan and vegetarian diets as
  • 22:02
    increasing chances of having a stroke so
  • 22:05
    we wanted to talk more about the first
  • 22:08
    she's already mixing up vegan and
  • 22:10
    vegetarian the study was about
  • 22:13
    vegetarians and I like how it's been
  • 22:16
    tied into the meat meatless movement
  • 22:21
    which is why I think the study came out
  • 22:23
    in the first place or at least the study
  • 22:25
    is being abused for this so uh meatless
  • 22:29
    Oh everyone's going meatless but all the
  • 22:31
    slutty vegan oh no this could not be all
  • 22:34
    what's going on so you're set up to
  • 22:36
    already not want to eat the meatless
  • 22:38
    burger so you know who's behind this
  • 22:42
    ready doctor ready could this really be
  • 22:45
    a legitimate side effect of giving up
  • 22:48
    meat well this was a pretty impressive
  • 22:49
    study it was done for the University of
  • 22:51
    Oxford in England and they looked at 48
  • 22:54
    thousand people in their 40s and
  • 22:56
    followed them for a very long time
  • 22:58
    and as they followed them they talked to
  • 23:00
    them about their diet and they found out
  • 23:02
    what we've known before that a
  • 23:04
    vegetarian and or vegan diet can lower
  • 23:06
    the risk of heart disease but there was
  • 23:08
    no data on stroke and in this
  • 23:10
    study there was a slight increase in the
  • 23:12
    risk of stroke now the authors are quick
  • 23:14
    to say this is not cause and effect it's
  • 23:17
    an observational study and no more
  • 23:19
    research needs to be done but I think
  • 23:20
    it's really worth talking about as we
  • 23:22
    see more people embracing a plant-based
  • 23:24
    lifestyle this is the 20% increased
  • 23:30
    chance of stroke if you only if you're
  • 23:32
    vegetarian but the study is quick to
  • 23:35
    point out that this is no does not prove
  • 23:38
    causation the same Oxford three years
  • 23:42
    ago 2016 released the interim report of
  • 23:44
    the same people except they didn't
  • 23:47
    follow him for sixteen years instead of
  • 23:48
    eighteen years and I said actually 35%
  • 23:50
    of people don't eat meat seem to have
  • 23:52
    healthier heart didn't mention anything
  • 23:54
    about stroke but then just listen to the
  • 23:56
    news folks who are all in on the
  • 23:58
    meatless generation
  • 23:59
    yeah but Huey plants you can feel better
  • 24:02
    it's easier to digest you are gonna live
  • 24:04
    longer these are not doctors these are
  • 24:06
    the news people talking after this
  • 24:08
    report just so you understand where the
  • 24:10
    money's coming from yeah but Huey plants
  • 24:12
    you're gonna feel better it's easier to
  • 24:14
    digest you are gonna that's just how it
  • 24:16
    is the generations the more meat you eat
  • 24:21
    the more physical maladies you're likely
  • 24:23
    to possess listen here's the here's the
  • 24:32
    doctor who's going who's doing the
  • 24:34
    report she's against it is achill
  • 24:36
    maladies you're likely to possess well
  • 24:38
    on full disclosure I'm a lacto-ovo
  • 24:40
    vegetarian I do it black to ovum
  • 24:42
    vegetarian that's very common out here
  • 24:47
    it means you drink milk and you eat eggs
  • 24:50
    I thought that was black dough I'm so
  • 24:55
    over full disclosure I'm a lacto-ovo
  • 24:57
    vegetarian I do egg and she's been a
  • 24:59
    vegetarian for many many years and and I
  • 25:02
    works for me but I think this is a
  • 25:03
    personal decision I think there's also
  • 25:05
    ways that you can be a healthy
  • 25:07
    meat-eater and there are ways to be an
  • 25:08
    unhealthy vegetarian if you're gonna eat
  • 25:11
    a vegetarian diet and it's going to be
  • 25:13
    full of refined carbohydrates and sugars
  • 25:15
    that is not good for you you also as a
  • 25:17
    vegetarian have to be cautious to make
  • 25:19
    sure you're getting your protein on your
  • 25:21
    calcium and focus on vitamins
  • 25:23
    the authors in this study speculate that
  • 25:25
    some of the vitamins that vegetarians
  • 25:27
    are often lacking may be contributing to
  • 25:29
    the increased risk of stroke but I think
  • 25:31
    you can eat meat and be healthy I think
  • 25:33
    everything in moderation maybe avoid too
  • 25:36
    much red meat avoid processed meat for
  • 25:38
    sure
  • 25:38
    limited I'm not saying eliminated but a
  • 25:40
    limited the bacon sausage these are the
  • 25:49
    same global warming doofuses now a
  • 25:53
    couple of things the woman before I've
  • 25:55
    been talking about the Oxford report
  • 25:57
    said vegetarian lifestyle I thought that
  • 26:01
    was interesting just the I did if it
  • 26:04
    being a lifestyle and it's a life choice
  • 26:08
    the vegetarian lifestyle I'm Pro
  • 26:11
    lacto-ovo and then the lacto-ovo woman I
  • 26:14
    mean why don't you could you be can you
  • 26:17
    slip the word meat in there I'm a
  • 26:19
    vegetarian but it's like this commercial
  • 26:21
    is going around where this guy says dude
  • 26:25
    what's the veg invested he says to his
  • 26:27
    wife in the Volkswagen some funny
  • 26:28
    commercial on the west coast for 76
  • 26:30
    products hmm and his couple of hipsters
  • 26:33
    and one of them says to his wife uses
  • 26:34
    do they have a vegan menu
  • 26:37
    she's a restaurant they're trying to
  • 26:39
    find she says no you're not a vegan he
  • 26:40
    says I am a vegan when I don't eat meat
  • 26:43
    and I think this is flexibility going on
  • 26:46
    like this like this is people just kind
  • 26:48
    of like well I'll be vegan for a day now
  • 26:52
    I'm reminded of a story when I went to
  • 26:56
    see bit once with this guy with a group
  • 26:58
    of people one of these guys was wait see
  • 27:00
    because that is that the computer
  • 27:01
    conference in Germany yeah the big giant
  • 27:03
    in Hanover mm-hmm and so this guy's
  • 27:06
    adamant vegan vegan he made a big scene
  • 27:12
    about it and he was a big fat guy mm-hm
  • 27:15
    was he's run into in tech and but it was
  • 27:19
    a fact out of the big gut and I'm
  • 27:21
    thinking this guy's a vegan you should
  • 27:23
    be skinny as a rail I mean he doesn't
  • 27:25
    move I don't get it and so I went to
  • 27:28
    breakfast one morning and there he was
  • 27:29
    even what do you think his breakfast is
  • 27:31
    just candy bars cereal not candy bars
  • 27:34
    but nothing but but Dana
  • 27:37
    just like a pile of like ten or eleven
  • 27:39
    stud cinnamon buns it's like his main
  • 27:42
    diet was cinnamon buns and this was
  • 27:44
    veganism to him are you sure he was a
  • 27:46
    vegan we said he was he made a big stink
  • 27:50
    about it
  • 27:51
    and I would be better if everybody was
  • 27:53
    is it political you know yeah well he
  • 27:56
    ate well we have dueling factions here
  • 27:58
    we have the meat people as you said that
  • 28:01
    what is it the cattle ranchers wherever
  • 28:03
    help mister whoever the the meat people
  • 28:07
    are and the meat people are fighting the
  • 28:10
    meatless movement and and you know what
  • 28:12
    they are they should be better that's
  • 28:14
    their job they have these associations
  • 28:15
    you pay into these clubs and they're
  • 28:18
    supposed to do that jut that business
  • 28:20
    and so they're doing something finally
  • 28:21
    yeah finally yeah now we're all from for
  • 28:27
    meat hey I guess I am for me to actually
  • 28:29
    up we cook some meat last night this
  • 28:32
    birthday gift to Tina and I took a
  • 28:34
    cooking class just meet here here's some
  • 28:39
    meat I went to a cooking class oh I'm
  • 28:44
    reluctant to talk about it because
  • 28:46
    you're just gonna just gonna make fun of
  • 28:48
    it oh okay well if I guarantee not to
  • 28:53
    make fun of it no then it won't be a
  • 28:56
    good segment I'll moderate myself so I'm
  • 29:01
    not affect I'll take it seriously Isis
  • 29:03
    is a cooking session I would maybe go to
  • 29:06
    this I'm we want to learn some very fine
  • 29:08
    specialty about how to use phyllo dough
  • 29:10
    in a certain way I'm sure they have a
  • 29:13
    class like that this yes this was the
  • 29:15
    date night cooking session there's just
  • 29:18
    a date that we've learned how to make
  • 29:19
    creme brulee
  • 29:21
    we made popovers happy and check it out
  • 29:26
    I was skeptical but we actually had a
  • 29:29
    kale dish that didn't taste all that
  • 29:31
    Kaylee
  • 29:33
    yeah have you cover it up with enough
  • 29:34
    bacon fat no cook it to death
  • 29:38
    it was shallots and and if it was creamy
  • 29:42
    cream loaded up shallots there's a good
  • 29:45
    one that's a good cover up and I learned
  • 29:47
    how to properly dice a shallot which I
  • 29:49
    didn't know there's a good way to do it
  • 29:50
    oh well what way is this well you put
  • 29:54
    the shallot down and then you slice
  • 29:56
    slice horizontally seven eighths of the
  • 29:58
    way through then you go on top and then
  • 30:02
    you get your perfectly small dice yes is
  • 30:04
    that with onions - the same thing oh no
  • 30:06
    I'm sure it's it's it's more just like
  • 30:08
    it was new I learned that and it was
  • 30:12
    good though it was funny and you're
  • 30:13
    doing that there with a couple other
  • 30:15
    people and you're drinking wine and
  • 30:17
    spawn it was it was I had a very good
  • 30:19
    time there's a lot of fun and we made a
  • 30:21
    beautiful piece of meat what was the
  • 30:26
    meat that you I thought you were making
  • 30:27
    a possible reason dessert stuff yeah
  • 30:29
    that was all there - it was so it was a
  • 30:31
    nice was the meat that you had what was
  • 30:32
    so special about that that we cooked it
  • 30:34
    it was it was like you cooked meat
  • 30:36
    before it was a of course I mean I
  • 30:40
    cooked the meat the same way except I do
  • 30:41
    it you know I always have seared on each
  • 30:45
    side and then into the oven it goes in
  • 30:47
    the in the cast-iron skillet and that
  • 30:50
    was basically the same so there was
  • 30:51
    nothing new for me there other than the
  • 30:53
    the topping with through this huge
  • 30:56
    butter and more shallots and you know
  • 31:00
    seasoning and just melted all over it it
  • 31:03
    was so good and and not very vegetarian
  • 31:09
    so you let you got out it's no fun if
  • 31:11
    you don't make fun of it then it doesn't
  • 31:12
    work well there wasn't that much to make
  • 31:14
    fun of putting butter on meat is nothing
  • 31:17
    new but you walk out yeah it's done in
  • 31:23
    this place called sulla table which is
  • 31:25
    kind of a Williamson or Allah table they
  • 31:27
    got desperate at Berkeley operation
  • 31:29
    mostly eyes yes you walk out like I
  • 31:34
    really want that knife that I just used
  • 31:36
    that was full retail sharp knife save
  • 31:42
    lives
  • 31:43
    yeah they got one of those blop erasers
  • 31:45
    here on 4th Street and they got one up
  • 31:48
    in Seattle and there's a couple more on
  • 31:50
    the west coast I think yeah a day yeah
  • 31:53
    they're Boston is an obvious place for
  • 31:54
    the suckers to go there you know no
  • 31:56
    problem make sense suckers it was a
  • 31:58
    Fanta fabulous evening well happy
  • 32:03
    birthday thank you
  • 32:07
    what were you doing meanwhile hopefully
  • 32:09
    you were prepping for the show while I
  • 32:11
    was off cuz I was watching football in
  • 32:13
    the beginning of the new college season
  • 32:16
    yeah okay I got to watch the Oregon rack
  • 32:18
    up 77 points Wow
  • 32:20
    doesn't mean anything to you but it
  • 32:22
    means a lot to me but I was also trying
  • 32:24
    to follow what's going on with brexit
  • 32:26
    which I do want to talk about for a
  • 32:27
    minute yeah and the reason is because I
  • 32:29
    didn't realize this cuz I never I hadn't
  • 32:31
    followed him but I'm on Twitter Boris
  • 32:33
    Johnson is doing a trump oke only he's
  • 32:37
    up the ante I think in Trump is
  • 32:38
    following suit
  • 32:41
    Boris puts on videos he's much like Adam
  • 32:43
    or Scott Adams or oj you mean like
  • 32:47
    really like oj like really shitty videos
  • 32:49
    they're pretty shitty and selfish like
  • 32:52
    hey everybody so he's got does he
  • 32:56
    actually start off with hey everybody
  • 32:57
    that would be close it's close yeah not
  • 33:00
    quite he doesn't have the doesn't have
  • 33:02
    the little singing at the beginning or
  • 33:04
    oj a twitter world right so but this is
  • 33:08
    Boris Johnson this is a long clip but
  • 33:11
    and it's a little I think it's slightly
  • 33:13
    dull cuz he's a Brit and so he speaks
  • 33:15
    you know with this kind of style that is
  • 33:16
    like uh but he does go on and and he
  • 33:19
    makes his case for what's going on with
  • 33:21
    regarding Breck said it's a little bit
  • 33:23
    bullshit we heard the Faraj clip last
  • 33:25
    show about him you know sneaking over to
  • 33:28
    Brussels trying to do a deal here is
  • 33:30
    Boris Johnson on Twitter explaining
  • 33:32
    himself hi folks a lot has happened this
  • 33:34
    week and I wanted to update you I've
  • 33:37
    been negotiating over the past five
  • 33:38
    weeks to get us a new deal EU leaders
  • 33:42
    were willing to negotiate a deal because
  • 33:44
    they knew were going to leave on October
  • 33:47
    the 31st Deal or No Deal last night
  • 33:51
    Jeremy Corbyn and others voted to wreck
  • 33:54
    the chance of a deal their new law tries
  • 33:57
    to force the government to go to
  • 33:59
    Brussels beg for another delay until
  • 34:03
    2024 as long as Brussels demands people
  • 34:07
    want another pointless delay but this
  • 34:11
    he's even worse Brussels could demand
  • 34:14
    that I hand over billions of your money
  • 34:16
    in return for this pointless Alain I
  • 34:19
    refuse to do this my view is that if
  • 34:24
    Parliament tries to force another
  • 34:26
    pointless delay refused to do that
  • 34:30
    then voters should decide what happens
  • 34:33
    next
  • 34:35
    people can choose Jeremy Corbyn to be
  • 34:38
    Prime Minister go to Brussels on the
  • 34:40
    17th of October to delay brexit again
  • 34:43
    and do what Brussels wants all people
  • 34:47
    can choose me to go to Brussels on the
  • 34:49
    17th of October try to negotiate a new
  • 34:52
    deal and I'm confident that I can but to
  • 34:54
    leave on the 31st of October in all
  • 34:57
    circumstances so that the country can
  • 35:01
    move on last night Jeremy Corbyn voted
  • 35:05
    to stop you the public deciding this
  • 35:08
    he's now voted to destroy the
  • 35:10
    negotiations to delay again for no
  • 35:13
    reason and to stop you deciding whether
  • 35:17
    we delay or not he sees me he doesn't
  • 35:20
    trust you to make this decision I do
  • 35:25
    trust you it will be totally wrong for
  • 35:28
    Parliament to force another pointless
  • 35:30
    delay without your agreement so if you
  • 35:33
    want brexit sorted out before October
  • 35:36
    the 31st then please ask your MP to vote
  • 35:39
    on Monday so that you can have your say
  • 35:42
    on who goes to Brussels to sort this out
  • 35:46
    me or Jeremy Corbyn thank you now that
  • 35:51
    was actually pretty good III appreciate
  • 35:53
    what he's doing
  • 35:58
    but where are we exactly it's not
  • 36:01
    entirely clear to me what is the status
  • 36:05
    of everything now you know it's not
  • 36:08
    entirely clear to me either I can say
  • 36:11
    that you know apparently they they're
  • 36:15
    pushing and pushing and pushing to
  • 36:16
    extend date again I understand that the
  • 36:22
    his ministers have been fired just over
  • 36:25
    the last few days they've been firing
  • 36:27
    him left and right because they've been
  • 36:29
    turned codes it's called the action
  • 36:31
    again at the end he lets you see what he
  • 36:33
    wants people to do force another
  • 36:34
    pointless delay without your agreement
  • 36:37
    so if you want brexit sorted out before
  • 36:40
    October the 31st then please ask your MP
  • 36:43
    to vote on Monday so that you can have
  • 36:46
    your say on who right so this Monday is
  • 36:49
    when the the Parliament has the vote and
  • 36:51
    then we're and then if that law passes
  • 36:53
    then Boris is basically screwed he can't
  • 36:56
    do anything then he's locked out locked
  • 36:59
    in locked out yes it was lodged
  • 37:01
    somewhere all right so I think it was
  • 37:04
    comic strip bloggers of all people so
  • 37:08
    take that with the authority of which it
  • 37:10
    comes said that the plan and remember
  • 37:12
    there's a cumberbund noah cummings is is
  • 37:16
    running the campaign that's that's the
  • 37:18
    guy who ran the brexit campaign that's
  • 37:20
    the the the smartest guy in the room
  • 37:22
    type algo meister so and he's running a
  • 37:25
    lot of this for for boris johnson and
  • 37:28
    you don't hear much of him but
  • 37:30
    apparently the idea is for Boris to
  • 37:34
    refuse the law be held in contempt
  • 37:37
    that's what he hinted at in that in the
  • 37:39
    little Twitter speech and then go to
  • 37:41
    jail and then the Queen would pardon him
  • 37:45
    he'd come out and then he could do
  • 37:46
    whatever we do because the date has
  • 37:47
    passed and he is in charge somehow so
  • 37:51
    there's something that's like some
  • 37:52
    strategy which sounded pretty wild to me
  • 37:57
    mmm no I don't know it's a pause I mean
  • 38:00
    there's all kinds of possible isn't is
  • 38:02
    not beyond Boris Johnson to pull a wild
  • 38:04
    stunt
  • 38:05
    it would make things a little more
  • 38:07
    exciting yeah cuz this is not really
  • 38:10
    working for me we don't have a penis I
  • 38:14
    can just get this another vote coming up
  • 38:15
    and this was B you got your prediction
  • 38:17
    on the line what that Boris won't make
  • 38:20
    it happen yeah that's my prediction he
  • 38:21
    will not make it happen
  • 38:25
    you see I had a
  • 38:27
    was this of course what more interesting
  • 38:30
    to me is the propaganda that goes around
  • 38:34
    and this was a piece where was this from
  • 38:36
    I think this might have been BBC of
  • 38:37
    course this is about the settled status
  • 38:41
    scheme for those who are not Brits
  • 38:46
    living in or who are you citizens I
  • 38:49
    should say living in the UK but don't
  • 38:53
    have don't have the proper paperwork
  • 38:56
    possibly to stay after brexit so they
  • 38:58
    bring out this this woman who's on her
  • 39:00
    from the East Bloc country she's been
  • 39:02
    married to a guy she lives in Bristol
  • 39:04
    they have a son together and she's
  • 39:05
    worried about what's gonna happen to her
  • 39:07
    and there's this whole in the report
  • 39:10
    with just no words that the music goes
  • 39:15
    down a little bit and they put a title
  • 39:19
    on the lower third which I will read for
  • 39:21
    you after the bit passes I'll go back
  • 39:23
    and read it to you so you know why this
  • 39:25
    is the kind of bullshit they're doing
  • 39:27
    they're worried about my future worry
  • 39:29
    about the future of my children what
  • 39:31
    will happen to me on the first of
  • 39:33
    November what will happen to them
  • 39:34
    why is impact on them as well it's also
  • 39:38
    a feeling of being rejected true to the
  • 39:41
    country in your own home I've been
  • 39:43
    living in the UK for 16 years I've I see
  • 39:46
    same employer for 15 years and I'm
  • 39:48
    married to an Englishman actually
  • 39:50
    applied day mainly to boat and salty and
  • 39:53
    sinking hey let's celebrate his birthday
  • 39:55
    and celebrate my social status
  • 39:57
    so here's this hole in the report and so
  • 40:01
    what she's saying is you know I've been
  • 40:03
    here for 16 years I've been employed for
  • 40:05
    15 years my little boy turned 13 is like
  • 40:08
    oh I'm gonna celebrate my my official
  • 40:10
    status before any price he's burst and
  • 40:14
    sedated prepped my safety status
  • 40:15
    Lily's application had insufficient
  • 40:18
    evidence to be instantly approved in
  • 40:20
    other words she had no right to be there
  • 40:22
    but okay I never actually see what
  • 40:24
    happened to me I feel that my voice is
  • 40:27
    not being heard I think my voice in
  • 40:29
    their voice is three million in you
  • 40:31
    citizen living here it's not being
  • 40:33
    helped no one is asking us how it's
  • 40:36
    impacting on us on a day-to-day life on
  • 40:39
    on mental health I want to remain
  • 40:42
    positive self lost trust lost trust
  • 40:47
    so they're using these sob stories and
  • 40:51
    get everybody into the right mood oh we
  • 40:55
    can't this is no good the poor woman oh
  • 40:58
    no meanwhile ain't UK a plan for all we
  • 41:03
    know she works for a public-relations
  • 41:04
    they just saying this is all malarkey
  • 41:06
    absolutely think about
  • 41:09
    the business the United States could do
  • 41:11
    with the United Kingdom if they were
  • 41:13
    freed from the EU and Trump is doing all
  • 41:16
    cases now we have 20 was it tariffs a
  • 41:20
    hundred percent tariffs on dairy goods
  • 41:24
    and even some Gouda cheese which is kind
  • 41:27
    of upsetting to me it's one of my my my
  • 41:30
    pain sources a protein
  • 41:34
    yeah so that's GU sanctions going up I
  • 41:37
    think with the US and in the UK could
  • 41:40
    have fantastic trade we could yeah we
  • 41:43
    could make them our manufacturing base
  • 41:45
    but those Brits to work yeah we're gonna
  • 41:48
    put them Mexicans back to work
  • 41:50
    oh really yeah that's what it looks like
  • 41:53
    in a sense some Canadians - but they're
  • 41:58
    it's just this whole thing is just just
  • 42:01
    dragging on too long I can't believe the
  • 42:03
    public they're good where's the redo
  • 42:05
    that's what they're gonna have to do
  • 42:06
    yeah it's the dwell on the 19th of
  • 42:08
    October they have the 9th of October
  • 42:14
    yes the 19th of October is another March
  • 42:16
    the people's vote March and they're
  • 42:19
    pushing that big so I think that's
  • 42:21
    that's the plan the 17th they're all
  • 42:24
    back the 19th we have the end is this
  • 42:27
    will be a big protest let me see
  • 42:29
    because this is it's like it's like the
  • 42:30
    the people's vote March that was a who
  • 42:36
    was sponsoring that last time with all
  • 42:37
    these those professional signs
  • 42:41
    I don't know it's probably some French
  • 42:43
    company yeah miss yeah I do have a
  • 42:45
    report from PBS and the miner brexit
  • 42:48
    protests that are taking place now
  • 42:50
    they're expected to grow on a second
  • 42:53
    what's it which is this - Rex protests
  • 42:56
    dueling marches collided in London's
  • 42:59
    Parliament today one side in favor and
  • 43:01
    the other side against the UK leaving
  • 43:04
    the European Union without a deal
  • 43:06
    members of the pro brexit Democratic
  • 43:08
    Football lads Alliance clashed with the
  • 43:11
    anti brexit group March for change
  • 43:13
    European Union flags waved besides a
  • 43:16
    flying beer can police managed to keep
  • 43:18
    the two groups apart the UK's departure
  • 43:21
    from the EU under a no deal brexit is
  • 43:23
    still set for October 31st but debate
  • 43:26
    continues in Parliament okay here it is
  • 43:29
    it's the the people's vote Saturday 19th
  • 43:34
    October 2019 London people's vote March
  • 43:37
    let us be heard
  • 43:40
    and 15 towns and cities across the
  • 43:43
    country culminating an enormous historic
  • 43:45
    march in London October 19th because it
  • 43:47
    is now clear that this is a crisis that
  • 43:49
    cannot be settled let me see FAQ say
  • 43:53
    whose no funny doesn't really say who's
  • 43:56
    behind this but when you hit the donate
  • 43:59
    button which is usually what I like to
  • 44:01
    hit first
  • 44:04
    you're hardly gonna believe this chip in
  • 44:08
    whatever you can afford
  • 44:10
    towards the March now they're using the
  • 44:13
    chip in language so they probably got
  • 44:16
    the same consultants yeah the same
  • 44:19
    people who writes the nation builder is
  • 44:21
    nation builder isn't that a part of
  • 44:23
    share blue probably then share blue and
  • 44:30
    these guys room and the American
  • 44:33
    Democrats are all against the idea of
  • 44:35
    brexit because it really slows down the
  • 44:38
    progress through one-world government
  • 44:40
    yeah which is where and we're supposed
  • 44:42
    to be that's a real target and that's
  • 44:43
    gonna take a while and you can't do it
  • 44:45
    with stuff like brexit yeah
  • 44:47
    drawing this makes a mess and now god
  • 44:49
    now we got to go to truth what we're
  • 44:52
    gonna do about that
  • 44:53
    yeah it's a fly in the ointment
  • 44:56
    yeah nation builder started in 2008
  • 44:59
    surprise surprise
  • 45:03
    from some of the Obama people there you
  • 45:07
    go that's where it's all coming from
  • 45:10
    yes Errol but I think they'll get a lot
  • 45:13
    of traction I think there will be a lot
  • 45:15
    of people marching whether there are or
  • 45:19
    not it will be portrayed as millions
  • 45:21
    let's put a number on it
  • 45:23
    I would say they're going to say
  • 45:27
    something like over tootin must be good
  • 45:29
    has to be good no I don't believe this
  • 45:32
    okay but give us a never I have my
  • 45:33
    number they would have to say three
  • 45:36
    million people nationwide or something
  • 45:39
    of this ilk
  • 45:40
    so not just love that's hedging but okay
  • 45:43
    I'm gonna say there's a half a million
  • 45:45
    people half a million will be the number
  • 45:47
    they used and it's gonna be in London
  • 45:49
    you know it'll be all footage from
  • 45:51
    London but they have to go bigger than a
  • 45:55
    million because they've already done
  • 45:56
    that done that one before so it has to
  • 45:58
    go a little further I don't think
  • 45:59
    they're gonna take and pull it off I
  • 46:01
    think they can say half a million it'll
  • 46:03
    get the same impact I don't think you
  • 46:05
    need to say a million half a million
  • 46:07
    marching in London's a lot of people
  • 46:08
    well bottom line a long long bottle
  • 46:11
    running two million you know to make a
  • 46:13
    number make it happen
  • 46:15
    Hong Kong is great we are doing such a
  • 46:18
    good job in Hong Kong now we've we've
  • 46:22
    moved it we've we've shifted everything
  • 46:25
    to pull my goodness it's not just that
  • 46:29
    people don't want the Chinese government
  • 46:31
    they want murca testers are taking their
  • 46:34
    demands straight to the US consulate
  • 46:36
    huge crowds are gathered now a head of
  • 46:38
    an authorized march to the consulate
  • 46:40
    building it is the 14th straight weekend
  • 46:45
    of demonstrations many are waving
  • 46:47
    American flags these are live live video
  • 46:51
    we have for you right now and they hope
  • 46:53
    their pleas for democracy will resonate
  • 46:55
    with Americans on Saturday the US
  • 46:59
    defense secretary urged China's
  • 47:01
    government to show restraint in dealing
  • 47:04
    with the protest movement there are more
  • 47:05
    American flags in this live video we're
  • 47:08
    showing you now and they're singing the
  • 47:11
    national anthem and they're waving the
  • 47:14
    flags I mean this is it's been a while
  • 47:23
    since you've seen protesters in another
  • 47:25
    country saying we want America to step
  • 47:28
    in how on 21st century is that no one
  • 47:33
    says that anymore orchestrating that but
  • 47:37
    that takes a lot of nerve its foot spa I
  • 47:40
    think is the term yeah wave these flags
  • 47:43
    and say you want us come on then you
  • 47:48
    think brexit is a bunch of phony baloney
  • 47:52
    these reports are not people have
  • 47:55
    serious issues and they're very pissed
  • 47:57
    off and maybe they are extremely
  • 47:58
    frustrated and all they can can hope for
  • 48:00
    is that somehow the united states does
  • 48:04
    something to help them because it's no
  • 48:07
    joke what they're going through no I
  • 48:10
    hear something bad more normalized
  • 48:12
    report I do have which is from CBC which
  • 48:17
    is in other words doesn't really talk
  • 48:19
    about the American aspect but is it but
  • 48:21
    it's pretty complete report which is
  • 48:23
    unusual for CBC Hong Kong report but
  • 48:25
    let's turn now to Hong Kong where it is
  • 48:27
    already Saturday morning it's also where
  • 48:29
    officials are bracing for yet another
  • 48:31
    weekend of protests
  • 48:34
    setting the stage protesters trashed a
  • 48:37
    subway station overnight an act of
  • 48:39
    destruction aimed at disrupting traffic
  • 48:41
    to the airport it wasn't supposed to be
  • 48:47
    like this protesters filling the streets
  • 48:50
    and taunting police the police shooting
  • 48:53
    back with rubber bullets the concession
  • 48:57
    by Hong Kong leader Carrie Lam this past
  • 49:00
    week was supposed to leave most people
  • 49:02
    satisfied angrier than before why
  • 49:09
    because we know it's a lie it is a lie
  • 49:12
    she's trying to do something she's
  • 49:14
    trying to this is trying to divide us
  • 49:17
    and we're not going to let that happen
  • 49:20
    instead tonight's crowd seemed united
  • 49:24
    further demanding that Lam call an
  • 49:26
    independent inquiry into perceived
  • 49:29
    police brutality something she has
  • 49:31
    refused
  • 49:33
    but the protesters refused to forget
  • 49:36
    this scene from last week beatings in
  • 49:39
    the subway by police looking for them
  • 49:43
    this man too afraid of police to reveal
  • 49:46
    his identity got in the way today he
  • 49:49
    showed a handful of reporters his
  • 49:51
    bruises he insists he was just a
  • 49:54
    passenger
  • 49:54
    oh dialed a sundial dick I was pushed to
  • 49:57
    the floor and beaten with their batons
  • 49:59
    he says called a cockroach payal pooja
  • 50:03
    that anger spilled onto the streets here
  • 50:06
    again tonight met with police warning
  • 50:09
    flags moving away from the police
  • 50:12
    station right now there's been a black
  • 50:14
    flag meeting tear gas is coming at an
  • 50:16
    orange flag meaning there could be
  • 50:18
    shooting right now they're trying to get
  • 50:20
    everybody who doesn't have here doesn't
  • 50:22
    have equipment out of the danger zone
  • 50:26
    indeed the tear gas came quickly after
  • 50:29
    as did more shots the police did manage
  • 50:32
    to regain control of the streets but as
  • 50:35
    they left cheers from bystanders showed
  • 50:39
    they have not regained Hong Kong's
  • 50:42
    respect
  • 50:45
    now we have one of our producers wrote a
  • 50:49
    nasty note in saying you know this is
  • 50:51
    interesting and all but why is there so
  • 50:54
    much emphasis just on these Hong Kong
  • 50:56
    trees when the yellow vest revolution in
  • 50:59
    France has been going on consistently
  • 51:02
    predating this yes and continuing to
  • 51:06
    this day and there is zero news coverage
  • 51:08
    of it
  • 51:09
    he's leading him to believe that this is
  • 51:12
    like you know staged and not staged by
  • 51:16
    any means and so far as it being a fake
  • 51:18
    but staged by the American public
  • 51:21
    relations machinery to be promoted oh oh
  • 51:25
    of course it was just to embarrass China
  • 51:27
    well we have to we have to promote the
  • 51:29
    right story at the right time yes and
  • 51:31
    there's nothing to do there's nothing
  • 51:33
    good about these protests in other parts
  • 51:36
    of the world which are going on and I
  • 51:39
    mean there's nothing good that can come
  • 51:40
    of it for us as a you know in general
  • 51:44
    well let's be factual there's this is
  • 51:49
    only about what we're shown and that's a
  • 51:51
    downside to the to the type of show we
  • 51:54
    do is we can really only respond to what
  • 51:56
    is out there although again I'm dipping
  • 51:58
    more into podcasts and other alternative
  • 52:01
    forms of media because it's so boring so
  • 52:04
    boring what the mainstream is doing and
  • 52:06
    it's just over it just to just
  • 52:08
    regurgitate same story do it again you
  • 52:12
    see the same thing at every news outlet
  • 52:13
    bang bang bang exactly the same thing
  • 52:15
    it's like you brought that up with the
  • 52:17
    sharpie gate and how is this a new story
  • 52:19
    at all hmm it's not this should not be
  • 52:22
    the leader should not be the lead when
  • 52:24
    people are being decimated the
  • 52:28
    decimation of Nova Scotia and then there
  • 52:30
    was this report I had and of course I
  • 52:32
    can't try it anymore and I won't try it
  • 52:35
    bridge if I is the app of choice now for
  • 52:38
    the Hong Kong protesters since they won
  • 52:43
    that they were they were doing using all
  • 52:47
    kinds of different apps to communicate
  • 52:49
    with each other the smartest one I
  • 52:50
    thought was Pokemon Pokemon go where
  • 52:54
    they were using the DM feature a chat
  • 52:56
    feature to communicate but now now
  • 52:58
    apparently
  • 52:59
    using bridge Fi which is a Bluetooth
  • 53:02
    peer-to-peer a chat app which I don't
  • 53:08
    know and again I can't try it I don't I
  • 53:10
    will not to try it on anything I have
  • 53:12
    I'd like to know how it works I mean
  • 53:15
    what's going I what else is it talking
  • 53:17
    to doesn't she
  • 53:18
    they think it keeps them safe now I
  • 53:20
    don't see how it keeps them safe is
  • 53:22
    there some kind of encryption can you
  • 53:24
    identify people could a could could a a
  • 53:27
    law enforcement official come in and
  • 53:30
    listen along I don't know but the idea
  • 53:33
    is cool but I mean bluetooth is one of
  • 53:36
    the number one snooping mechanisms used
  • 53:38
    at retail get your Bluetooth on Oh we
  • 53:41
    know exactly who you are
  • 53:45
    all that data is known
  • 53:48
    don't know yeah well maybe one of our
  • 53:51
    producers give it a shot or maybe we
  • 53:53
    have someone at home or just break it
  • 53:55
    down for us and yeah I would like to you
  • 53:56
    know a plenty of guys can do that yeah I
  • 53:58
    just I can't contaminate my cloaked
  • 54:01
    iPhones loved ones use Tina's gear I
  • 54:05
    tell you she hates the fact that she has
  • 54:09
    to have gear but you know her job
  • 54:11
    requires her to have some stuff with her
  • 54:14
    on the phone and worse but I'm always
  • 54:19
    like hey try this said no no he's taking
  • 54:22
    most things off that she really doesn't
  • 54:24
    need but she has to have the source of
  • 54:25
    social media apps on to complete the job
  • 54:30
    but no thanks maybe I'll ask the
  • 54:34
    millennial oh that's the Millennial
  • 54:35
    she'll do it the millenials don't be
  • 54:37
    glad she got this app which is the 5%
  • 54:41
    Club which actually kind of like this
  • 54:44
    when you can enter a special chat room
  • 54:47
    when you're when your iPhone battery is
  • 54:50
    below 5% and just have people chatted
  • 54:55
    with each other but I'm at 4% now I'm
  • 54:57
    about to go about to go out in flames
  • 54:59
    and then and they have this these huge
  • 55:01
    rallies around people dying that would
  • 55:04
    really their battery going with them
  • 55:05
    kind of dying in real time Armageddon is
  • 55:09
    upon us
  • 55:10
    this is silliest thing I've ever heard
  • 55:12
    it's it's funny in a way but yeah it
  • 55:17
    just goes to show and wrapping up this
  • 55:22
    first hour with a few unhoused pieces I
  • 55:27
    told you about the Town Hall that we had
  • 55:30
    in Austin which was at Edwards
  • 55:33
    University and again the mayor was there
  • 55:36
    and a couple of council members and it
  • 55:38
    was not quite as clean as little rowdier
  • 55:40
    than we thought or the previous previous
  • 55:44
    town halls had been and I said that
  • 55:45
    there was someone who got kicked out it
  • 55:47
    was actually
  • 55:48
    oh and Schroyer from Infowars who does
  • 55:52
    what i said he has a show on the War
  • 55:55
    Room I think is what it's called and I
  • 55:58
    want to play two pieces here one is and
  • 56:01
    this did make as parts of it made the
  • 56:03
    news but not not asthma not the full
  • 56:05
    minute where he's just sitting there
  • 56:07
    he's got is he's got a camera he's got
  • 56:09
    his Infowars Mike and he just stands up
  • 56:12
    and starts yelling at everybody and I
  • 56:14
    thought it was kind of cool
  • 56:23
    a program that I think helps point
  • 56:27
    directions where we need to go I can't
  • 56:30
    take this anymore nothing is gonna
  • 56:31
    change in this city with meetings like
  • 56:33
    this this is pathetic
  • 56:35
    nothing is going to change in this city
  • 56:37
    with meetings like this and leaders like
  • 56:40
    this this is pathetic how many times
  • 56:52
    because of bad leadership nothing is
  • 56:56
    gonna change in this city or your city
  • 56:58
    with this bad leadership this is
  • 57:01
    pathetic
  • 57:02
    this is pathetic nothing is going to
  • 57:05
    change in this city and notice how every
  • 57:08
    city he mentioned is run by Democrats
  • 57:11
    Democrats do this to cities nothing is
  • 57:15
    going to change in this city with this
  • 57:17
    leadership nothing now I like this
  • 57:27
    because the the expression on the on the
  • 57:29
    the mayor's face and the councillors is
  • 57:32
    one of total
  • 57:36
    non lack of understand ah - that someone
  • 57:40
    would do this in their holy presence you
  • 57:43
    can see them they're like oh my god how
  • 57:45
    dare this peasant and you can really see
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    it and what I like about this it's an
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    old tactic is it does sometimes spur
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    other people on to take a little more
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    aggressive stance such as this young
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    lady with double privilege
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    [Laughter]
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    [Applause]
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    now when you get a double privileged
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    minority and a woman who we're not gonna
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    throw her out we're gonna listen to what
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    she has to say so now will it help
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    doubtful no of course not it's rich but
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    thank goodness people are pissed off you
  • 58:44
    know that are there any meetings in
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    California that have people angry you
  • 58:49
    never see it well then they'll put it
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    out but it happens all the time it's
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    constant you're screaming at each other
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    in the Oakland City Council they're
  • 58:57
    screaming at each other Berkeley they're
  • 58:58
    screaming at each other in San Francisco
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    in each other we need some reports we
  • 59:03
    need to know how to do it you know how
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    not to do it I think the guy from info
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    world wars has the right idea and they
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    triggered the other woman which is
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    perfect as they're doing it fine they're
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    couple of bills going through the
  • 59:17
    through the House of Representatives to
  • 59:21
    amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986
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    to allow for non-recognition of gain on
  • 59:26
    real property sold for use as affordable
  • 59:29
    housing so they're still trying to do
  • 59:31
    the housing thing so it's the affordable
  • 59:33
    housing incentives Act I know really
  • 59:40
    avoid zero asked me to please post a
  • 59:43
    link in the show notes which I have done
  • 59:44
    under the unhoused topic to the hobo
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    ethics code because people should be
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    living by that this was from the 1889
  • 59:54
    national hobo convention in st. Louis
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    Missouri you remember it John it must
  • 59:58
    have been a good time it was great
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    it's the ethical bozo it's the ethical
  • 1:00:04
    code created by the tourist Union and it
  • 1:00:08
    has things like decide your own life
  • 1:00:09
    then like a tourist a mean hobos yes
  • 1:00:11
    well that's what hobos were back in the
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    day there were the the National
  • 1:00:15
    Authority burrs their neighbors who are
  • 1:00:18
    camping neighbors who were camping next
  • 1:00:21
    to your house I have a look at that the
  • 1:00:24
    hobos ethic code which has it doesn't
  • 1:00:26
    even come close to how the hobos are
  • 1:00:28
    treating our cities now but yeah yeah
  • 1:00:33
    they used to have a code yeah yeah I was
  • 1:00:35
    like be helpful don't get in the way
  • 1:00:37
    don't do crappy stuff so now they've
  • 1:00:41
    dare if they feel entitled Oh totally
  • 1:00:46
    when Jung jungling in town which I guess
  • 1:00:49
    is what panhandling used to be called
  • 1:00:51
    respect handouts do not wear them out
  • 1:00:54
    another hobo will be coming along who
  • 1:00:57
    will need them as bad if not worse than
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    you always respect nature do not leave
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    garbage where you are jungling may be
  • 1:01:04
    jungle from jungling jungling jungle
  • 1:01:06
    jungling yes if in a community jungle
  • 1:01:09
    always where the chance attend city yes
  • 1:01:12
    jungling try to stay clean boil up
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    wherever possible when traveling ride
  • 1:01:17
    your train respectfully take no personal
  • 1:01:19
    chances cause no problems with the
  • 1:01:21
    operating crew or host railroad act like
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    an extra crew member but there's all
  • 1:01:26
    kinds of fine things to adhere to as a
  • 1:01:28
    hobo well this proves that this problem
  • 1:01:32
    is not new oh heck no so if it's not new
  • 1:01:36
    why is it such a problem now in certain
  • 1:01:39
    specific Democrat run cities like San
  • 1:01:41
    Francisco and Austin and Seattle it
  • 1:01:45
    appears because at Portland they want to
  • 1:01:48
    transition people from hobos to Camping
  • 1:01:51
    neighbors I think that's where the
  • 1:01:53
    problem started
  • 1:01:56
    it doesn't solve it doesn't solve
  • 1:01:58
    anything for them
  • 1:02:01
    what there's something else that's
  • 1:02:04
    that's bothersome minutes going on and I
  • 1:02:08
    can't put my finger on what it is but
  • 1:02:09
    this it's too coincidental that we have
  • 1:02:13
    these and I don't want to just call out
  • 1:02:15
    the Democrats on this but these cities
  • 1:02:17
    are all run by Democrats now they all
  • 1:02:21
    have this prop the same exact problem
  • 1:02:23
    and they're all it can't do anything
  • 1:02:25
    about it but this problem has been
  • 1:02:26
    around forever and it's always been
  • 1:02:28
    dealt with in one way or another
  • 1:02:29
    usually enforcement does part of it to
  • 1:02:33
    hold that if somebody breaks your car
  • 1:02:35
    window like in San Francisco maybe it
  • 1:02:38
    should be taken up by the police and
  • 1:02:40
    maybe the guy who obviously did it
  • 1:02:42
    because he's walking up the street
  • 1:02:43
    it could be arrested and something could
  • 1:02:45
    be done about it but no the lawn for a
  • 1:02:47
    car window no no big deal
  • 1:02:49
    the law enforcement has been neutered
  • 1:02:50
    they can't do anything and that that's
  • 1:02:53
    consistent maybe this bill this
  • 1:02:55
    affordable housing incentive Zach maybe
  • 1:02:57
    that has something to do with it when
  • 1:02:58
    you think about the answer to and I can
  • 1:03:02
    only speak about Austin but I think the
  • 1:03:03
    same is the same for other cities where
  • 1:03:05
    this is happening Portland Los Angeles
  • 1:03:07
    San Francisco Seattle you can keep going
  • 1:03:11
    it's always the answers always I'll need
  • 1:03:14
    more housing more affordable housing
  • 1:03:15
    housing and what happens is you create
  • 1:03:19
    the affordable housing which the young
  • 1:03:21
    people move into because they can't
  • 1:03:23
    afford what's going on and then the
  • 1:03:24
    rents the revenues for people who own
  • 1:03:27
    and lease out real estate it just keep
  • 1:03:30
    making more money so that's the only
  • 1:03:32
    some house a real estate scam it seems
  • 1:03:34
    like a real estate scam and this Housing
  • 1:03:37
    Act with no capital gains taxes could be
  • 1:03:41
    part of that that would expect so and I
  • 1:03:44
    were recalling the reports that we have
  • 1:03:47
    here was ID not recording but local news
  • 1:03:49
    reports oh the run of the problems with
  • 1:03:52
    the homelessness is because no one can
  • 1:03:53
    afford a home in San Francisco where the
  • 1:03:55
    median house price and they say this the
  • 1:03:57
    meat is a good number the median house
  • 1:04:00
    prices sandwich this goes 1.1 million
  • 1:04:03
    yeah well that's got nothing to do with
  • 1:04:05
    homelessness nobody can afford those
  • 1:04:07
    kinds of rates unless you're you know
  • 1:04:09
    that's why most people don't live in San
  • 1:04:10
    Francisco
  • 1:04:11
    unless it's you know you he's just not
  • 1:04:15
    or double at all but would but it's not
  • 1:04:17
    affordable a lot of places not
  • 1:04:18
    affordable in Beverly Hills they don't
  • 1:04:20
    have a homeless encampment there well I
  • 1:04:23
    think they've specific city ordinances
  • 1:04:26
    there so yeah and their real estate
  • 1:04:28
    market is tightly controlled they got it
  • 1:04:30
    all they they don't need to have more
  • 1:04:32
    real estate to sell Austin is it is a
  • 1:04:36
    fantastically expanding city and yeah
  • 1:04:39
    you just have to think that this is all
  • 1:04:42
    a big real estate scam keep saying the
  • 1:04:44
    answer is affordable huh oh my gosh now
  • 1:04:48
    they're camping everywhere because we
  • 1:04:50
    drop the ordinance we need to speed up
  • 1:04:52
    affordable housing housing we need to
  • 1:04:55
    get more money we need to raise more
  • 1:04:57
    money how can we see it any other way as
  • 1:05:00
    a real estate scam
  • 1:05:04
    the problem was it being a real estate
  • 1:05:06
    scam is that this is an unhealthy
  • 1:05:08
    condition they're creating well as the
  • 1:05:11
    former New York banker said things are
  • 1:05:13
    so great they don't give a shit
  • 1:05:15
    hahahaha we got people pooping on the
  • 1:05:17
    street who cares ok and we're doing
  • 1:05:20
    great we don't live in the city
  • 1:05:24
    well there's that I think there's some
  • 1:05:25
    truth to that I hate to do this on a
  • 1:05:28
    sour note but with that I do want to
  • 1:05:30
    thank you for your courage and say in
  • 1:05:31
    the morning to you the man who put the C
  • 1:05:33
    and the D in these Centers for Disease
  • 1:05:35
    Control John C Devore in the morning you
  • 1:05:40
    mr. editor in the morning all ships at
  • 1:05:42
    sea boots on the ground stops on the
  • 1:05:44
    water and all the Dames tonight's out
  • 1:05:45
    there in the morning to the trolls in
  • 1:05:47
    our troll room they are to be found at
  • 1:05:50
    no agenda stream dot-com where they're
  • 1:05:52
    always hanging around trolling mainly
  • 1:05:55
    but they often have good little
  • 1:05:56
    suggestions and that's the place where
  • 1:05:58
    you can find all kinds of fine
  • 1:06:00
    entertaining shows which you will not
  • 1:06:03
    find in the mainstream anywhere and it's
  • 1:06:04
    on 24 hours a day seven days a week no
  • 1:06:06
    agenda stream com it's all a part of our
  • 1:06:09
    value for value network which I do want
  • 1:06:12
    to talk about later but these are things
  • 1:06:15
    that people do to help us out including
  • 1:06:16
    what our artists will do an artist make
  • 1:06:20
    album art for our podcast so that it's
  • 1:06:22
    different with every episode it has
  • 1:06:25
    shown to be very effective
  • 1:06:27
    with getting people's attention and for
  • 1:06:30
    the fourth this is I don't know if we've
  • 1:06:31
    had this happen before four times in a
  • 1:06:34
    row now one artist the one and only
  • 1:06:37
    Darren O'Neill has score JJ did this
  • 1:06:41
    this was well now we had quite a combo
  • 1:06:44
    quite a combo about this and by the way
  • 1:06:48
    the title of the show was generational
  • 1:06:51
    justice and Darren's artwork was a
  • 1:06:55
    typical well I said it was just
  • 1:06:57
    interesting was the no vaping papers
  • 1:06:59
    please
  • 1:07:00
    sign of the bathroom which did relate to
  • 1:07:03
    the show but there was a number there
  • 1:07:06
    was a number of things and we have the
  • 1:07:07
    trifecta that we that we'd like to pull
  • 1:07:09
    together which is the opening clip we
  • 1:07:12
    want a title and we want a piece of art
  • 1:07:15
    and if at all possible we don't want
  • 1:07:17
    them to be the same name be the same and
  • 1:07:21
    no crossing over now you wanted and I
  • 1:07:24
    had this okay so there are two pieces of
  • 1:07:27
    art we liked a lot I liked the Nick the
  • 1:07:28
    rat where the kids was drowning under a
  • 1:07:33
    sea of lies
  • 1:07:35
    um which would be the climate hoax and
  • 1:07:38
    you made a compelling argument to say
  • 1:07:40
    it's just not a great idea to have
  • 1:07:42
    drowning kids as our artwork yes that
  • 1:07:46
    was and you could really argue that I
  • 1:07:47
    couldn't made similar points but I could
  • 1:07:50
    argue against your chosen title which is
  • 1:07:52
    bongo bongo land I had was an error in
  • 1:07:56
    judgment but but let's let's go back to
  • 1:07:59
    Bongo Bongo land which was my choice for
  • 1:08:01
    a title and I said that's an incredibly
  • 1:08:03
    racist thing that Brits like to say we
  • 1:08:06
    never knew this
  • 1:08:07
    yes Bongo Bongo it was just kind of an
  • 1:08:09
    offhanded thing that this guy was
  • 1:08:11
    bitching about on hoodoo because it came
  • 1:08:13
    from a clip Bongo land yeah and I
  • 1:08:16
    thought it was the funniest thing I've
  • 1:08:17
    ever heard because it's so ludicrous
  • 1:08:18
    these stupid sounding and it turns out
  • 1:08:21
    if you do some work and do some research
  • 1:08:23
    as rude as I'll do right now well you
  • 1:08:25
    can just go to Wikipedia there's not a
  • 1:08:26
    hell of a lot of research yes no there's
  • 1:08:29
    something good into Wikipedia that talks
  • 1:08:31
    about this let me see if I can find it
  • 1:08:33
    in British English Bongo Bongo land is a
  • 1:08:36
    pejorative term used to refer to
  • 1:08:38
    third-world countries particularly in
  • 1:08:40
    Africa or to a fictional such country
  • 1:08:45
    and when did this start spoil this is
  • 1:08:49
    the problem there's no clear-cut there's
  • 1:08:51
    no clear-cut went 85 when Bongo Bonga
  • 1:08:56
    line came up and they think it was name
  • 1:08:57
    they think it may have been let me see
  • 1:09:01
    if I can find this or the president yeah
  • 1:09:02
    yeah this one the president of Gabon
  • 1:09:04
    Omar Bongo was his actual name yeah one
  • 1:09:09
    of these guys one of the Alan Clark a
  • 1:09:12
    conservative I prefer to Gabbana's Bongo
  • 1:09:15
    Bongo land because it was this guy's
  • 1:09:19
    country Omar Bongo yeah when that just
  • 1:09:22
    deteriorated apparently oh yeah well the
  • 1:09:25
    thing is you you kind of have to give up
  • 1:09:27
    it's like decimated you know we can
  • 1:09:29
    bitch all we want but people now use it
  • 1:09:31
    to mean total destruction and Bongo
  • 1:09:33
    Bongo land is just a racist term well so
  • 1:09:37
    he didn't use I mean that's not racist
  • 1:09:43
    yes go ahead so the point is is this one
  • 1:09:46
    of the things we recognized about the
  • 1:09:48
    show I mean the two of us are different
  • 1:09:50
    personalities but we both have a were
  • 1:09:52
    scoot enough off of each other that we
  • 1:09:54
    can spot the you know the errors yes we
  • 1:09:58
    both goodness yes thank goodness like I
  • 1:10:00
    would have used Bongo Bongo land and
  • 1:10:02
    everyone we've been condemning me but no
  • 1:10:05
    I can and then he would have used the
  • 1:10:07
    drowning child which was another didn't
  • 1:10:13
    take much convincing for me to agree
  • 1:10:14
    that probably wasn't a great I see if
  • 1:10:16
    we're drowning children on the front of
  • 1:10:19
    our podcast hello was a good piece of
  • 1:10:22
    art Nick technically Nick should have
  • 1:10:25
    had that that piece because it was a
  • 1:10:27
    good piece it worked but it was it would
  • 1:10:30
    it just had that element that was not
  • 1:10:32
    not appropriate so yeah and there were
  • 1:10:35
    there were other ones but these were
  • 1:10:37
    really the the toppers and I really
  • 1:10:41
    appreciate the work that everybody does
  • 1:10:43
    on this and this value for value system
  • 1:10:46
    is just something I wanted to pause for
  • 1:10:48
    just for a second there was an article
  • 1:10:50
    about this that I that I tweeted about
  • 1:10:52
    and very few people understood what I
  • 1:10:55
    was saying surprisingly a lot of
  • 1:10:59
    big-time producers of this show also got
  • 1:11:03
    enamoured by the technology of it and
  • 1:11:05
    didn't really understand the point pod
  • 1:11:09
    pass proposal for an open protocol to
  • 1:11:12
    enable direct listener relationships and
  • 1:11:15
    to summarize pod pass is a technical way
  • 1:11:19
    we'll stop you're not backing up enough
  • 1:11:22
    I've known his pot password to come from
  • 1:11:24
    why are you talking about that's what
  • 1:11:26
    I'm just about to explain it I said pod
  • 1:11:28
    pass is a technical way and you told me
  • 1:11:31
    to back up what would fall back you want
  • 1:11:33
    me to go where did you run into this
  • 1:11:35
    word is it about I mean hot pass is a
  • 1:11:38
    proposed protocol to enable podcasters
  • 1:11:44
    to make money without ie
  • 1:11:47
    disintermediating patreon and other
  • 1:11:50
    companies like this and I read their
  • 1:11:53
    paper and I thought it was ID for one
  • 1:11:56
    thing you're gonna have to explain what
  • 1:11:57
    this is in the first place because this
  • 1:11:59
    made zero sense to me any of it and I
  • 1:12:02
    thought that they were kind of
  • 1:12:02
    encouraging people to still use patreon
  • 1:12:04
    so the so they're they're proposing the
  • 1:12:08
    solidification of a model and the part
  • 1:12:13
    that I liked is they say hey people are
  • 1:12:14
    having a hard time making money with
  • 1:12:16
    advertising on podcast duh ok you could
  • 1:12:20
    have called me I would have told you
  • 1:12:21
    that so they say the way it seemed the
  • 1:12:24
    way it seems to work which you and I
  • 1:12:27
    disagree with is to give away free
  • 1:12:29
    content that people can listen to freely
  • 1:12:32
    and then have special membership bonus
  • 1:12:36
    and premium content yeah
  • 1:12:39
    which behind the special pay wall now
  • 1:12:42
    why is this nowhere how we're
  • 1:12:43
    disagreeing on this well let me finish
  • 1:12:45
    ok you and I aren't disagreeing but I
  • 1:12:49
    said yeah we disagreed no I said people
  • 1:12:51
    who produce this podcast not you not a
  • 1:12:54
    producer oh no this this this whole
  • 1:12:57
    Premium Member so my point was it's not
  • 1:13:04
    about a technical solution while I'm all
  • 1:13:06
    for disintermediating patreon and having
  • 1:13:09
    you get the money yourself
  • 1:13:10
    what
  • 1:13:11
    does is something very very very evil
  • 1:13:15
    and it's the same thing that iTunes did
  • 1:13:17
    with music they unbundled the album and
  • 1:13:21
    sold each track for $0.99 making a song
  • 1:13:25
    which takes a shitload of work for most
  • 1:13:28
    people
  • 1:13:30
    into a 99-cent piece of fucking candy
  • 1:13:33
    and so what these guys are saying is huh
  • 1:13:36
    due to your podcast it has zero value
  • 1:13:39
    nothing no value at all and then for $5
  • 1:13:44
    a month you can get all this other stuff
  • 1:13:46
    like this is the worst artificial
  • 1:13:51
    marketing in the world it does not let
  • 1:13:54
    people determine the true value of the
  • 1:13:57
    product and that's what the value for
  • 1:14:00
    value model does many people are even
  • 1:14:02
    Chris Wilson while we can do it with
  • 1:14:04
    this in JavaScript it's not about the
  • 1:14:06
    technology please see it's a dead-end
  • 1:14:09
    street
  • 1:14:10
    it's okay why would even if you're
  • 1:14:12
    making a hundred million dollars off of
  • 1:14:16
    your premium content why would you
  • 1:14:18
    continue to make the shitty no value
  • 1:14:20
    content which everyone else can get it's
  • 1:14:22
    stupid it's not the way to do it
  • 1:14:29
    a thing that comes and goes which is
  • 1:14:31
    this oh why don't you do I mean it would
  • 1:14:34
    work by the way with D H unplugged
  • 1:14:36
    Horowitz and I and I could explain how
  • 1:14:38
    it would work there but in 99.999% stock
  • 1:14:43
    tips is a little different stock tips is
  • 1:14:45
    different but on most shows you have
  • 1:14:48
    your content and then there's and you
  • 1:14:50
    see this on patron o become a patreon
  • 1:14:52
    and then you can see our special content
  • 1:14:55
    and they have like a little 10 minute
  • 1:14:57
    bit that they do this that's outside
  • 1:15:00
    their show and who do people who told us
  • 1:15:03
    that we should have done this before and
  • 1:15:04
    I always have the same response why what
  • 1:15:07
    exactly are we gonna do a second little
  • 1:15:10
    show that only a few people listen to
  • 1:15:12
    that might have important content that
  • 1:15:14
    now we may have to refer to and that
  • 1:15:17
    nobody else ever heard I mean you can't
  • 1:15:19
    have these these these these mystery
  • 1:15:22
    shows out in the middle of nowhere where
  • 1:15:24
    you have you have references because of
  • 1:15:26
    the shows this show is like a tangle of
  • 1:15:29
    news analysis that goes back for a
  • 1:15:32
    decade a decade over that has you can't
  • 1:15:36
    say well they're not in the show that
  • 1:15:38
    nobody heard and you can't hit you have
  • 1:15:40
    no access to we we already discussed
  • 1:15:42
    this topic I mean if this makes zero
  • 1:15:44
    sense they have this special little show
  • 1:15:46
    then nobody gets to hear or except a few
  • 1:15:49
    people yeah and they but they've the
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    patreon people are suckers for this I
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    don't know that anybody even if you sign
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    up for for example bryony's
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    congressional dish mm-hmm to listen to a
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    show this is free me so she of premium
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    episodes please tell me she doesn't do
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    that I don't know that she doesn't does
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    it but I think she offers something a
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    little you know one of the after-hours
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    kind of thing bill you know after the
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    show bill mark continues on the podcast
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    doing this show which is also free bill
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    maher I don't think it's free you have
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    to be a patreon I mean that but the
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    patreon people all's yeah I know
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    Tom area oh you just you get this you
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    get that you get to listen to this you
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    would never get to listen to otherwise
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    it makes no sense to do that
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    you're hiding content from people why
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    are you doing a show and then hiding
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    most of it from the from your main show
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    putting a little-bitty ten minutes of
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    something else on the side
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    whereas these knock tips it makes sense
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    but everything else it makes zeroes well
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    that's because it can be translated
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    directly to money and this our show
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    gives people lots of stock tips without
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    even knowing and I got an email from a
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    guy who said the minute you guys were
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    talking about jewel and the AH tria
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    acquisition is I bought stock in a tree
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    immediately and I'm doing great then he
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    says he's gonna donate but you know
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    that's the kind of stuff we want to help
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    with but it never shows the true value
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    this is and that's why I was surprised
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    that people got into huge technical
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    conversations when I clearly said you
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    what you want if you want the market you
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    want the people who produce the show
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    with you to determine the value and it's
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    ok if it's nothing it's ok if it's one
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    dollar a year it's ok if it's a hundred
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    thousand it's up to you and that keeps
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    everything and everybody honest
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    particularly when we just tell you
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    everything transparently out in the open
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    which I think we should do right now
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    well we could and we guys should mention
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    another thing that bothers me since