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1163: Cashless MIllennials

Adam Curry & John C. Dvorak

3h 18m
August 11th, 2019
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Woodstock New chapter after this at 1:49: Amazing Polly ( 0
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Woodstock New chapter after this at 3:39: Jeffrey Epstein Commits Suicide in Prison ( 0
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Woodstock New chapter after this at 16:33: Vicky Ward ( 0
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Woodstock New chapter after this at 49:35: Trump Tweets 'Conspiracy Theory' About Jeffrey Epstein's Death ( 0
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Woodstock New chapter after this at 1:00:27: The Truth Factory: 'Jeffrey Epstein Deep Dive - The Mossad, Fraud and His Creepy Temple' ( 0
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Woodstock New chapter after this at 1:05:37: Producer Note: Cause of Epstein's Egg-Shaped Penis ( 0
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Woodstock New chapter after this at 1:20:31: Credits ( 0
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Woodstock New chapter after this at 2:16:33: Democracy Now!: 'Emergency Doctor to Trump: You Are Wrong, Mental Illness Is Not to Blame for Gun Violence Epidemic' ( 0
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Woodstock New chapter after this at 2:26:16: Judge Napolitano on the Unconstitutionality of Red Flag Laws ( 0
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Woodstock New chapter after this at 2:36:14: Research by Payments Canada Shows Millennials Make Purchase Decisions Based on Payment Experience ( 0
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Woodstock New chapter after this at 2:41:38: Donations ( 0
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Woodstock New chapter after this at 2:51:11: Birthdays & Title Changes ( 0
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Woodstock New chapter after this at 3:02:07: Joe Biden: "Poor Kids Are Just as Bright as White Kids" ( 0
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    just gonna ignore the whole neighborhood
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    the man is not loves what are you what
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    are you rambling on about I know you
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    don't like mr. Rossi you know like mr.
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    Rogers it points a point of order
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    point of order kind of information point
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    of information comrade I would like to
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    mention the way we work on this show is
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    a novel way we believe it is the way to
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    go John and I are pretty much not in
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    contact in between shows during the week
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    except for some um maybe administrative
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    stuff maybe there's something we want to
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    make sure the other has seen but rarely
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    will we talk about what we're working on
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    what we're collective should mention did
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    once in a while not often we work on a
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    skit yeah and that always fails you know
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    how many cars four five six seven eight
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    nine ten no at no extra car so similarly
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    I do not know what Clips John has that
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    he does not know what Clips I have
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    however John does his Clips the evening
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    before Saturday night so they come in
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    around 1:00 or 2:00 a.m. my time I don't
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    see them until the morning
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    of course I do download them I don't
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    listen to them I do look at the titles
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    and to give me a little bit of
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    indication what in what area he's been
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    researching and I'm very happy to see
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    that you have crossed the streams and
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    entered into my my fantastic poly
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    territory which I like a lot actually
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    that's not the amazing poly I think is
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    her name so I immediately ceased all
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    production on the amazing poly clip so
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    we will get to those ashes a fabulous
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    Pollyanna it's amazing the amazing Polly
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    the amazing Polly is what she is the the
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    youtuber apparently you found as well
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    and following for weeks and weeks
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    well she cropped up on the botanic feed
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    yeah that's because he he actually has
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    gotten stuff from her so we so he tells
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    me
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    yeah well it's a dubious source to say
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    the least
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    well she's not a source she's a
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    deconstructionist she is she's less well
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    if you want to call her that I would
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    call her a um guilt by association
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    specialist
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    oh yeah well she does yarn she does yarn
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    in tax you know colored yarn mirror
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    artist I wouldn't say that okay so this
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    is Sunday August 11th the second
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    Thursday show of the week typically the
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    events that occurred yesterday happened
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    on a show day so it was quite surprising
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    we had a little bit of time to at least
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    think about it this is the apparent
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    suicide of Jeffrey Epstein and the crowd
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    goes wild yeah yeah here's the crowd
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    I was I was downtrodden disheartened
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    when I heard this
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    well considering is in a federal
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    facility and he's got was was on suicide
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    watch which apparently they dropped and
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    he was being monitored by cameras which
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    apparently stopped working and all the
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    rest now it would be somewhat
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    disheartening I don't think anybody was
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    too happy about it bar in particular
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    well a couple of things change as far as
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    I know it was ABC and the New York Post
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    who reported this first and I and I and
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    I'm always I mean I had that because it
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    happened early in the morning and my
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    phone was just because I was getting
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    text messages from people saying I got
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    to see this you got to see what's
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    happening and so that was kind of handy
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    that we could immediately see who was
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    responding first and what they were
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    saying and no doubt that it was the same
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    everywhere I think ABC though was the
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    first and not only did they kind of
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    start off the the messaging but they
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    also changed a couple things now how
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    have we always heard Epstein being
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    described the billionaire financier
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    hedge fund manager then of course all of
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    the alleged alleged assaults so ABC
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    didn't just came out with this and I was
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    like okay wait so sources tell ABC News
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    Jeffrey Epstein does for them to report
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    sources and very came a very fact of the
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    matter
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    everyone had according to sources no
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    name no official statement have we ever
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    really seen the official statement from
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    the Met from the Metro corrections
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    facility I don't know it's a good
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    question because I don't remember I
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    don't recall seeing one either so the
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    message was put out very distinctly went
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    so sources tell ABC News Jeffrey Epstein
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    took his own life the exact timing and
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    circumstances are unclear right now but
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    the mega-millionaire
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    is notice this we've gone from
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    billionaire financier to mega
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    millionaire he's gotten the down
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    it's accused of exploiting and abusing
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    dozens of minor girls he'd been on
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    suicide watch in a New York City Jail
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    you'll remember he was found
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    unresponsive in his cell last month with
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    marks on his neck and literally just to
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    make sure we keep this correct it's not
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    it's not true it's not in New York City
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    Jail it was also not found unresponsive
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    a couple weeks ago he was found
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    complaining of some of his neck being
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    hurt I don't think he was unresponsive
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    yeah this cell last month with marks on
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    his neck initially investigators thought
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    he'd tried to take his own life they
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    were then looking into whether he was
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    assaulted by another inmate or if he'd
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    even paid someone to beat him up
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    Epstein's attorneys had been fighting to
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    get him out on bail but a judge refused
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    prosecutors argued the mega millionaires
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    lifestyle and wealth made him an extreme
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    flight risk again
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    mega millionaire just interesting to see
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    that change another couple of things you
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    should note assaulted by another
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    prisoner yeah
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    this particular jail is not a allows
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    mixing of prisoners and you can find out
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    kind of what this place is like believe
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    it or not by the Yelp reviews how many
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    stars does it get as a star they've got
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    to be paid Yelpers you know advertising
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    boosting it reviews and it describes the
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    places being almost impossible to even
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    see any other prisoners dallona be
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    assaulted by one so this news was so big
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    that they immediately had to get our guy
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    the the constipated reporter Tommy amis
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    get him on the phone yesterday of one of
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    his associates a separate court case but
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    one of the Epstein accusers coming out
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    and naming names of some very prominent
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    businessmen and politicians who have all
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    denied that they did anything
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    inappropriate but they start to name
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    names started to come out in the
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    public and and that this is a little
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    confusing because there's a couple
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    things going on there is a new woman who
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    is speaking out Jennifer
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    arose I think her name is and she's new
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    on the scene at the same time there were
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    actual new documents that were disclosed
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    thousand pages the two thousand yeah and
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    have I thought so that included Bill
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    Richardson names came from who
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    specifically according to Yama's does he
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    say who was naming names cuz every time
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    I've seen the interviews with all these
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    women they don't they'll kind of beat
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    around the bush but they never name
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    names no I didn't know I don't think
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    I've seen it yeah they're all listed
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    there on that document that's one name
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    that's where the names came from but
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    he's saying it came from this new they
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    started to name names started to come
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    out in the public and and one of the
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    associates it was thought of that some
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    of these exiting associates were going
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    to be brought in and possibly charged
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    criminally so the case was only getting
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    bigger so many young girls allegedly
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    abused by Jeffrey Epstein thought they
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    finally were going to see justice they
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    thought they were going to see him rot
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    in a jail cell it's unclear at this
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    point what they're thinking today if
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    this is justice but Jeffrey Epstein the
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    monster that they painted is no more
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    then he had one other short piece of
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    information
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    well the criminal case against Jeffrey
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    Epstein personally obviously is over but
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    if they go after some of his associates
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    you have to remember there are
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    allegations out there that several women
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    work with Jeffrey Epstein to procure
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    some of these young girls essentially
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    Madam's if you will so far notices women
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    have been charged criminally yet but
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    there is thinking that the US attorney
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    may go after some of these people so the
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    criminal case though is not even there
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    yet could continue in that direction
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    there are also civil cases because gotta
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    remember Jeffrey Epstein is worth at
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    least five hundred billion dollars all
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    right so yes apparently this does not
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    necessarily hamper other investigations
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    we don't really know exactly although
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    I've seen some legal opinions that no
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    one can challenge a search warrant now
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    because Epstein is dead
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    I really don't know I think in America
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    you can do a lot with with the legal
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    system and delay a lot of things but I
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    am personally quite interested in just
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    laying Maxwell and no one really seems
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    to there's a lot of saying Madam's
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    handlers pimps maybe you'll hear Maxwell
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    not even the first name of course it's
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    almost impossible for most Americans to
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    pronounce where is she now I think she
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    is a person of a tremendous interest but
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    we'll have to just keep batting
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    back-and-forth for several weeks about
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    Epstein did he hang himself was he
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    killed
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    was it the Clintons you know it doesn't
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    matter you know and I'm happy I think we
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    should probably discuss it a little bit
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    but then we just have to agree this
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    guy's out of the picture and there's not
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    much unless you've been its I personally
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    think he was this was more than an
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    extraction possibly than anything but I
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    think there's a possibility of that I
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    like the extraction idea because as you
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    just mentioned the one aspect to it I
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    didn't consider which is there's the
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    official statement yeah we haven't seen
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    no fish as far as I know no official
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    statement except for Barr who said he
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    was appalled to hear of this and he's
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    gonna do something about it and pretty
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    much immediately this was politicized
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    obviously the Clinton body count had
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    been trending for a while and so this
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    only from his home he helped that meme I
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    liked the opposing politicization let me
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    see if I can find it here where is she
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    yes this is joy Reid our favorite from
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    MSNBC this is somebody who not only is
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    high-profile who not only know a lot of
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    high-profile people whose papers just
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    came out of court just to let out some
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    of the documents related to his cases
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    that named high-profile people who was
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    friends with the current President of
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    the United States who flew a previous
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    president of the
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    States around on his plane who was
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    alleged to have trafficked girls to a
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    royal a member of the royal family of
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    Britain okay this is not a this is this
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    is you know on the same level as a bill
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    closet is a famous person now who's now
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    in person he knows a lot about a lot of
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    people and as you said earlier his only
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    woman out at this point would be to talk
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    about those people so he's in this very
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    vulnerable situation and then you throw
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    in the fact which I did not know until I
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    think I Stephanie Gosk was sitting here
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    and told me this that this is now
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    facility under the control of the
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    Department of Justice and this
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    Department of Justice does not exactly
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    inspire confidence let's just be blunt
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    what William bars Justice Department is
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    not one that you can readily simply rely
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    upon and feel confident in and so what
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    do we make of all this now that in this
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    federal facility this person was allowed
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    to be alone long enough to either harm
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    himself or be killed by something we
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    don't know what happened right we just
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    don't know so the implication if you if
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    you're on Twitter for more than 30
  • 13:41
    seconds you'll see that and it it has an
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    Occam's razor ring to it that because
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    and there is no evidence that Trump flew
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    on planes except one ferry flight back
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    from Miami to New York when it was just
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    him I think and and the pilots I don't
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    think that flight log shows there's
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    about six people in there when that when
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    Trump was on it ya know and were they
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    going from Miami to New York that's what
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    I didn't see where it was going I just
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    saw the somebody one of the Lib Joe's
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    had cut it out he was on the plane
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    there's statements contrary to to him
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    being involved and and by the way can we
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    say children instead of young girls or
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    under or underage girls as a child is a
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    ten year old a fifteen year old is a
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    girl yeah alright good luck so I don't
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    use I wouldn't call fifty rich I like on
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    your own I call a fifteen-year-old a
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    child well but alright fine
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    you call them girls I'll call them
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    children but the Occam's razor aspect of
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    it is oh you know Trump clearly you know
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    because in 2002 he's D even said you
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    know
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    great guy he loves to party with girls
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    on the younger side if you know what I
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    made he disowned yourself from this
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    guy's even know him that's it that
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    doesn't matter because over 1500
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    especially doesn't matter if you listen
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    to and you think that joy read was bad
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    you get that was bad I got a topper
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    oh yeah just finish the thought just
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    finished this crazy thought which is
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    just as valves any other crazy one if
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    you watch that movie is Trump through
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    bar his new who as we know is not the
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    Attorney General of the United States he
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    is the Attorney General for the
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    president we've been told this over and
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    over and over again so I have to believe
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    that now that he put out the secret
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    signal and said I at the time to off
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    Epstein totally plausible and a very
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    simple explanation so I have compassion
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    for people who believe conspiracy
  • 15:52
    theories I don't think this is the right
  • 15:54
    one but I understand where people come
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    from with this that if you know my my
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    favorite one of these off-the-wall kind
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    of Occam's razor good things is Scott
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    Adams you just put this up recently
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    Oh his Occam's razor was this bunch of
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    incompetent boneheads running this
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    prison that got kills himself and that's
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    also a perfectly valid explanation yeah
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    I mean I'm not buying it but yeah all of
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    that well if it wouldn't be the No
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    Agenda show if we were buying any of
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    this no of course not but it's good to
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    look at all aspects before we just
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    decide to move on the guy's not in the
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    picture he's gone so uh in July of this
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    year Amy Goodman interviewed Vicky Ward
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    ah for some unknown reason you've been
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    having him or you've been condemning on
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    Twitter well I'll tell you shortly while
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    I'm sure you will but and if I have four
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    clips of their very mostly short but the
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    beginning clip which doesn't really
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    involve Vicky Ward is the example that I
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    have that tops Reid when we know that
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    Trump hasn't spoken to Epstein for 15
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    years and maybe more in the last
  • 17:06
    reference to him saying anything about
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    Epstein is in 2002
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    but yet Amy really makes us sound like
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    they're best buds here it is Jeffrey
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    Epstein has counted presidents Donald
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    Trump and Bill Clinton among his friends
  • 17:19
    they've flown with him Trump told New
  • 17:22
    York magazine in 2000 to have known Jeff
  • 17:25
    for 15 years terrific guy he's a lot of
  • 17:28
    fun to be with it's even said that he
  • 17:30
    likes beautiful women as much as I do
  • 17:31
    and many of them are on the younger side
  • 17:33
    Trump said about his friend Jeffrey
  • 17:35
    Epstein again this was before all the
  • 17:37
    charges were brought
  • 17:40
    about his friend Jeffrey Epstein as
  • 17:43
    though they're like bosom buddies yeah
  • 17:45
    this this is a classic example of of
  • 17:48
    Amy's bigotry when it comes to reporting
  • 17:52
    on Trump I mean this is unconscionable
  • 17:55
    it's you can call it bad reporting you
  • 17:58
    can call it sorry hmm you can call it
  • 18:03
    bad reporting you can call it lying you
  • 18:05
    can call it framing you can call
  • 18:07
    anything but objective reporting yeah
  • 18:09
    there was it just to me is why Amy
  • 18:13
    Goodman is not really and it should not
  • 18:16
    even be considered a journalist anyone
  • 18:19
    okay so why don't you expand I have let
  • 18:23
    me tell you about Vicki ward then I got
  • 18:26
    turned on to the Vicki I heard Vicki
  • 18:28
    Ward as she started to pop up on someone
  • 18:32
    yeah I'm always watching MSNBC and stuff
  • 18:34
    during the day but she was popping up on
  • 18:35
    CNN in fact she got hired by CNN just a
  • 18:38
    few weeks ago and then I started to find
  • 18:41
    interviews of her talking about how she
  • 18:43
    wrote the initial expose in 2002 or 2003
  • 18:47
    for Vanity Fair I believe was Vanity
  • 18:50
    Fair and she went to her editor and her
  • 18:54
    editor said no you got to take all this
  • 18:55
    underage girl shit out this is no good
  • 18:57
    it's just hearsay this is her story so
  • 19:01
    it became much more of a profile a
  • 19:02
    financial profile of of Epstein and now
  • 19:07
    she's saying well I warned you all about
  • 19:09
    it and I think there's a couple things
  • 19:11
    she wrote in 2008-2009 when that when
  • 19:14
    the really light sentence came down on
  • 19:17
    Epstein and as I'm searching around and
  • 19:20
    this is probably the same time I found
  • 19:22
    amazing Polly I see her as like an it
  • 19:26
    girl in in New York
  • 19:29
    high society type parties and she's
  • 19:32
    always hanging out with Jill just Lane
  • 19:34
    Maxwell even though she's very
  • 19:36
    condemning of Maxwell of Islay Maxwell
  • 19:39
    and all these interviews that she's been
  • 19:40
    doing you know since 2009 and since she
  • 19:44
    had written about Epstein and everything
  • 19:47
    that happened I'm like well what is she
  • 19:49
    doing Palin around is this kind of weird
  • 19:52
    so when she tweeted yesterday oh don't
  • 19:55
    worry miss lane Maxwell knows more like
  • 19:57
    what up girl
  • 19:59
    do you know her you're partying with her
  • 20:01
    you're pretending that your buddies were
  • 20:03
    there so you tell me what's going on of
  • 20:05
    course she doesn't answer her cuz I'm
  • 20:06
    just a crackpot blowing in the wind and
  • 20:09
    I think that's where I saw more the
  • 20:12
    background got some background from from
  • 20:16
    the Polly videos and I find her to be a
  • 20:18
    very interesting character she doesn't
  • 20:20
    seem to have any real background yet
  • 20:22
    she's written books about Wall Street
  • 20:23
    fraud and all kinds of interesting
  • 20:26
    topics and her I guess is her ex-husband
  • 20:32
    his I think his boss her ex-husband's
  • 20:38
    boss was Maxwell's nephew or something
  • 20:42
    because that's it's like if there's a
  • 20:43
    connection there there's always know
  • 20:47
    they always have a connection from one
  • 20:49
    to the next and you know and so that's
  • 20:50
    why I kind of leave it to the youtubers
  • 20:52
    to do all that but Vicky Ward is a
  • 20:54
    person of interest to me and I hope you
  • 20:56
    have some interesting things well first
  • 20:59
    of all I I saw what you were doing and
  • 21:02
    so I did my I immediately went to work I
  • 21:06
    could inspire you suckers you fell into
  • 21:13
    my trap looking for Vicky Ward it's
  • 21:17
    quite possible that actually did happen
  • 21:19
    all right
  • 21:20
    Vicky Ward is a very transparent
  • 21:22
    character she goes back into the 90s and
  • 21:25
    she's always been a very extremely
  • 21:29
    accomplished writer and something of a
  • 21:31
    workaholic and so she's great but she
  • 21:33
    doesn't crank out enough so many books
  • 21:35
    and enough books with enough inside
  • 21:37
    scoop to make me think that in any way
  • 21:40
    she's mi6 which is what the amazing
  • 21:43
    Polly implies which is bullshit there's
  • 21:45
    no way I went back and listened to her
  • 21:48
    and she's been on TV a lot I'll give you
  • 21:51
    her whole story she started she grew
  • 21:53
    graduates from Cambridge and she was
  • 21:54
    what wanted to become a journalist she
  • 21:56
    became a newspaper writer in London for
  • 21:59
    that
  • 21:59
    I think the daily standard the telegraph
  • 22:01
    there's she bounced around became an
  • 22:03
    editor for a while she's very good at
  • 22:05
    what she did and she
  • 22:07
    this guy first and she writes a very
  • 22:11
    long essay on her divorce that ran in
  • 22:15
    2011 she marries this guy who she
  • 22:19
    probably shouldn't have married and they
  • 22:20
    never got along and they were pretty
  • 22:22
    much separated by by 2011 when they
  • 22:25
    finally got divorced and he's the one
  • 22:28
    who drugged her out of England because
  • 22:30
    he's a nephew of Conrad black and I'll
  • 22:33
    black that's why it's not Maxwell black
  • 22:34
    yes I'm sorry no yes
  • 22:37
    Conrad black he said come on kid you
  • 22:39
    joined my operation out here I'm in
  • 22:41
    Canada in the United States just movies
  • 22:43
    they made him had him moved to New York
  • 22:45
    she didn't want to do it she moved to
  • 22:46
    New York but because of her and she's
  • 22:49
    met if she's anything if you want to say
  • 22:51
    she's something odd she might be a
  • 22:53
    lizard can I just can I just interject
  • 22:55
    one crazy yarn connecting conspiracy
  • 22:59
    data point sure Conrad black about a
  • 23:03
    month ago maybe six weeks ago was
  • 23:06
    pardoned by President Trump right that
  • 23:11
    was interesting was that was interesting
  • 23:14
    railroaded anyway it's just the timing
  • 23:19
    of it is always fun well her
  • 23:21
    relationship to Conrad black was dubious
  • 23:23
    because she never worked for any of his
  • 23:24
    magazines that I know of she may know he
  • 23:27
    may work for the post for a while and
  • 23:29
    then she quit but she comes over here
  • 23:32
    and she kind of because she's got a
  • 23:34
    British she's British and she kept her
  • 23:37
    accent she never even tried to get rid
  • 23:39
    of it she became one of the one of the
  • 23:42
    many British women over here that or
  • 23:45
    that fit right into the upper classes a
  • 23:48
    structure check she wrote a whole book
  • 23:50
    on the Astor's or at least a long
  • 23:53
    article and she fit right in she has the
  • 23:57
    look she has the perfect kind of a dead
  • 24:00
    socialite look she's also she up until
  • 24:04
    recently she had a nonprofit that worked
  • 24:06
    with the United Nations and she's an all
  • 24:09
    kinds of just like Angelina Jolie
  • 24:11
    special United Nations programs and
  • 24:13
    there's the woman who's the direct
  • 24:16
    descendent of Queen Victoria who's on
  • 24:18
    her board and she's really
  • 24:19
    the British society but it's not the
  • 24:22
    British society it's the American
  • 24:24
    American producer side yes our social
  • 24:28
    thing and the British are so welcome
  • 24:29
    because they fit right in and even
  • 24:31
    though if in Britain she was a newspaper
  • 24:33
    girl yeah she did a bunch of books and
  • 24:37
    they're all the books tend to be
  • 24:38
    celebrity she really if anything is a
  • 24:41
    celebrity reporter she roamed in and out
  • 24:44
    of various kinds of you know celebrities
  • 24:47
    circles and met a lot of people and she
  • 24:50
    would run into jillaine it's just Lane
  • 24:52
    Maxwell numerous times but she wasn't
  • 24:54
    hanging out with her there's no evidence
  • 24:56
    of that and there's some mi6 connection
  • 25:00
    that happened in 2011 according to
  • 25:02
    amazing Polly but she was long not even
  • 25:05
    associating with her husband by that
  • 25:06
    time very well described in her
  • 25:09
    discussion in the in the madman the
  • 25:13
    magazine article that she wrote for the
  • 25:15
    Daily Mail about her divorce so what
  • 25:18
    happens is this Jeffrey Epstein thing
  • 25:20
    breaks and she did have a couple of
  • 25:23
    pieces of about the girls in that
  • 25:25
    article all of a sudden out of the blue
  • 25:28
    now the question in my mind is is she is
  • 25:30
    so out of the blue she says well I
  • 25:32
    warned everybody she's something of a
  • 25:34
    phony she's she's a she's kind of like a
  • 25:36
    kitty Kelly type of writer who maybe
  • 25:41
    makes things up now and again very
  • 25:43
    well-structured writer if she wanted to
  • 25:46
    really bring out anything in 2003 when
  • 25:49
    she ran that article she could have
  • 25:50
    chopped it someplace off the else if she
  • 25:53
    wanted to she could under Ronan Farrow
  • 25:55
    didn't put up with no for an answer
  • 25:57
    over and over again mhm so she wasn't
  • 26:00
    that serious about these two she had
  • 26:02
    some information if it radiance if it
  • 26:05
    was even true at all
  • 26:07
    maybe not just her word saying that they
  • 26:09
    cut it out it's possible but Graydon
  • 26:12
    Carter did come out with a statement
  • 26:13
    okay he says that did it wasn't a well
  • 26:17
    presented and he just thought it should
  • 26:19
    be cut out so he did cut it out so this
  • 26:20
    is not she didn't make that up
  • 26:21
    necessarily but the circumstances of him
  • 26:25
    cutting it out may have been due
  • 26:27
    according to her when I have some clips
  • 26:28
    or her bitching about it only now
  • 26:31
    bitching about it I think the following
  • 26:33
    happened personally from looking at her
  • 26:36
    career and what kind of a writer she
  • 26:37
    isn't who she hangs out with and her
  • 26:39
    celebrity status and a certain in that
  • 26:42
    social structure that we had know
  • 26:44
    nothing of we have no idea those things
  • 26:46
    show up in town in country the people
  • 26:48
    that are these parties those photos are
  • 26:50
    all over the place it's like the Palm
  • 26:53
    Beach Florida social set I don't know
  • 26:55
    who any of those people are but they all
  • 26:57
    seem to know each other if I believe the
  • 27:01
    following happened with her no matter
  • 27:03
    what everybody says she wrote this piece
  • 27:06
    on on Epstein and she gets some stuff
  • 27:09
    she has some hints about the 2002 piece
  • 27:12
    in 2000 she wrote it 2000 in 2003 that
  • 27:17
    was cut out was turned into a financial
  • 27:19
    piece which she admits and it would seem
  • 27:22
    to be written that way to begin with
  • 27:24
    all of a sudden this thing breaks the
  • 27:27
    epstein stuff and and she says and
  • 27:29
    people have to say look you did a whole
  • 27:32
    piece on this guy you know there's just
  • 27:36
    Lane maxwell there's photos of her with
  • 27:38
    you
  • 27:39
    what did you what what what and so she's
  • 27:42
    covering her ass yes just by saying oh
  • 27:45
    yeah well I had this and I did it she
  • 27:47
    was clueless she's a celebrity reporter
  • 27:50
    she didn't know that Epstein was running
  • 27:52
    anything but hold on when I so all I'm
  • 27:55
    saying is why would she ten to nine
  • 28:00
    years after the fact even wanna be okay
  • 28:04
    so there's no evidence they were
  • 28:05
    partying but they were at the same
  • 28:07
    parties and taking pictures together I
  • 28:08
    know how it works the photographer comes
  • 28:10
    by said hey take a picture cuz you're
  • 28:11
    talking and then y'all snow two or three
  • 28:13
    people you stay understand but why why
  • 28:16
    if if she knows all this and and
  • 28:19
    have a clip from yesterday she sure does
  • 28:22
    she sure did then in 2011 2014 there's
  • 28:26
    pictures of her with Maxwell of course
  • 28:28
    she knew that then she writes about it
  • 28:31
    she writes about everything after the
  • 28:33
    fact the issue here is what happened in
  • 28:37
    2003 where she where she got her piece
  • 28:41
    was like no in 2009 she definitely knew
  • 28:48
    that Maxwell was involved because that's
  • 28:51
    in the document she you know all of the
  • 28:53
    accomplices were protected by the deal
  • 28:56
    that was signed she knew it in 2009 like
  • 28:59
    everybody else that's my point yet
  • 29:02
    11 2011 2014 she's taken pictures with
  • 29:05
    it that's my point
  • 29:07
    she knew it in 2009 we knew it in 2009
  • 29:11
    it was it's been in the press since 2009
  • 29:13
    well okay we knew in 2009 she knew in
  • 29:16
    2008 so what was I got to do with her
  • 29:17
    being a bad actor or mi6 I didn't say
  • 29:20
    that but no that's what your your buddy
  • 29:23
    famous Polly said but I didn't say that
  • 29:26
    I'm Tom I'm just going for simple stuff
  • 29:30
    let's go to amazing Polly
  • 29:32
    to talk about what led up to Epstein's
  • 29:35
    most recent arrest stay with that Amy
  • 29:41
    interviews Ward 2 to talk about what led
  • 29:44
    up to Epstein's most recent arrest and
  • 29:47
    what comes next we're joined by vicki
  • 29:48
    war an investigative journalist who
  • 29:50
    profiled Jeffrey Epstein for Vanity Fair
  • 29:51
    in 2003 and a piece headlined the
  • 29:54
    talented mr. Epstein the magazine's
  • 29:56
    editor at the time Graydon Carter cut
  • 29:58
    out the testimonies of two young women
  • 30:00
    Epstein allegedly molested who'd spoken
  • 30:03
    to ward on the record one of them
  • 30:05
    underage ward wrote about what happened
  • 30:08
    with her
  • 30:09
    Epstein reporting for The Daily Beast in
  • 30:11
    an article headlined I tried to warn you
  • 30:13
    about sleazy billionaire Jeffrey Epstein
  • 30:15
    in 2003 welcome back to Democracy Now
  • 30:17
    it's great to have you with us Vicki so
  • 30:19
    for people who do not understand who
  • 30:21
    this man is he's referred to as
  • 30:23
    billionaire hedge fund manager Jeffrey
  • 30:26
    Epstein who is he and what do you
  • 30:28
    believe he is being charged with right
  • 30:31
    now the
  • 30:31
    indictment is about to be opened so I
  • 30:36
    don't think he's a hedge fund manager he
  • 30:39
    is a certainly very wealthy
  • 30:43
    there is great mystery as to how he
  • 30:47
    actually made his money he tells people
  • 30:50
    that he advises he takes a percentage
  • 30:54
    and he advises billionaires only I won't
  • 30:58
    take anyone poorer than a billionaire
  • 31:00
    and he takes a cut which adds up to a
  • 31:03
    lot of money this this when I
  • 31:05
    investigated him in 2002 really turned
  • 31:09
    out to be untrue what was interesting
  • 31:12
    was that the man who claimed to have
  • 31:16
    sort of taught Geoffrey many financial
  • 31:20
    tricks and who claims to this day that
  • 31:23
    Geoffrey has his money as a gentleman by
  • 31:25
    the name of Steve Hoffenberg who went to
  • 31:27
    jail for 20 years for committing the
  • 31:32
    biggest Ponzi scheme pre Bernie Madoff
  • 31:36
    okay I never know about that so she had
  • 31:39
    that uncovered which doesn't surprise me
  • 31:42
    you guys got in except you Vikki Ward
  • 31:44
    you were doing the first pieces back in
  • 31:47
    2000 I were your twin daughters right
  • 31:49
    now twin sons 16 16 years old so that is
  • 31:53
    very significant because you were
  • 31:56
    pregnant at the time you were doing this
  • 31:57
    piece can you describe what happened to
  • 32:02
    you when you wrote the speech you spoke
  • 32:05
    to Jeffrey Epstein though multiple times
  • 32:07
    multiple times he wheeled out you know
  • 32:10
    all these important bankers and
  • 32:12
    academics and finances to talk to me and
  • 32:15
    he would call me all the time but he
  • 32:18
    would threaten me he would talk and then
  • 32:21
    he would say you know Vic if I don't
  • 32:22
    like this piece you know something's
  • 32:27
    gonna happen to your unborn children you
  • 32:31
    know and it way he would sort of say in
  • 32:33
    is it you know lightly but you know I I
  • 32:37
    went to the magazines general councilor
  • 32:39
    that you actually put security on them
  • 32:41
    in the NICU and when
  • 32:42
    came early he had asked me what hospital
  • 32:45
    they were going to be born at so I
  • 32:47
    actually did put security on them they
  • 32:49
    were born two months prematurely
  • 32:53
    well that was kind of creepy yes and so
  • 32:56
    then we go to the last part where she
  • 32:58
    discusses the Graydon Carter incident
  • 33:02
    closable he had his girlfriend Glenn
  • 33:06
    Maxwell who very charming well-educated
  • 33:08
    British sort of socialite around Neal's
  • 33:11
    very significant she's the daughter of
  • 33:13
    Robert one of the new news
  • 33:16
    Galen was the one who phoned this these
  • 33:19
    young woman's mother to reassure her how
  • 33:21
    safe they would be and because of course
  • 33:25
    the poor mother
  • 33:26
    now blames herself terribly for what
  • 33:30
    happened and you know I talked to there
  • 33:34
    are numerous people the artist Eric
  • 33:36
    Fischl was a friend of the older
  • 33:39
    daughters couple of things you wanna
  • 33:43
    back up yes we're seeing the timeline by
  • 33:46
    the way she's the timeline of two girls
  • 33:48
    who ever seen was was assault they were
  • 33:51
    younger that wanted to go to college and
  • 33:53
    he was gonna pay for their college and
  • 33:56
    just Lane he but he hit they had to move
  • 34:00
    in and do stuff to him
  • 34:02
    yeah and Jazz Lane was the salesperson
  • 34:05
    who talked the moms into lettin isn't
  • 34:07
    right but when when did that happen when
  • 34:09
    did she know about it that's all I'm
  • 34:10
    curious about is that this is right from
  • 34:13
    2003 era okay yeah okay so she so this
  • 34:16
    was so she knew back then supposedly she
  • 34:19
    has a tell I think uh-huh she there's
  • 34:22
    some stuff I think she's she's in the
  • 34:24
    same category again as Kitty Kelly and
  • 34:26
    some of these other Michael Wolfe is in
  • 34:28
    this category very famous kind of
  • 34:31
    celebrity writers who do makes known to
  • 34:36
    make stuff up Michael Wolfe has got all
  • 34:37
    these Trump books a lot of this stuff is
  • 34:39
    bullshit if not all of it that Vicki's
  • 34:44
    in the same category of writer and I
  • 34:48
    think her tell is the use of the word
  • 34:50
    and twice in a row instead of saying and
  • 34:52
    she says and and interesting I think you
  • 34:56
    were three times in the piece friend
  • 34:59
    Glenn Maxwell who very charming
  • 35:02
    well-educated British sort of socialite
  • 35:04
    around noon
  • 35:05
    significant she's the daughter of Robert
  • 35:07
    that's one of the news news
  • 35:10
    Galen was the one who phoned this these
  • 35:12
    young woman's mother to reassure her how
  • 35:15
    safe they would be and because of course
  • 35:18
    the poor mother
  • 35:20
    now blames herself terribly for what
  • 35:24
    happened and you know I talked through
  • 35:28
    there were numerous people the artist
  • 35:29
    Eric Fischl was a friend of the older
  • 35:32
    daughters they all verified they
  • 35:35
    remembered them tell that these two
  • 35:38
    women recounting their trauma at the
  • 35:39
    time so brave we all go through this and
  • 35:43
    then to suddenly find at the eleventh
  • 35:45
    hour that somehow Geoffrey got to the
  • 35:50
    editor of the magazine this story was
  • 35:52
    being pulled I wait a second he came in
  • 35:54
    to country now he he came in I had had
  • 35:58
    no I was not told about this he came in
  • 36:00
    he had a private meeting with the
  • 36:02
    magazine's then editor Graydon Carter
  • 36:04
    after which I was informed that Graydon
  • 36:09
    believed Jeffrey Epstein I was told that
  • 36:11
    Jeffrey Epstein had told Braden that he
  • 36:14
    was quote unquote
  • 36:15
    sensitive about the women and so they
  • 36:18
    would be pulled from the story so now be
  • 36:20
    a business story and what a business
  • 36:25
    that was a business story that explained
  • 36:27
    that Jeffrey Epstein was not who he
  • 36:30
    claimed to be in his professional life
  • 36:31
    but but but the the very powerful awful
  • 36:36
    stories of what happened to these women
  • 36:38
    got taken out with you and and I am
  • 36:41
    these girls yeah right are they involved
  • 36:44
    the the tell is after she lies that's
  • 36:48
    the way I'm reading it what she I can't
  • 36:50
    say I'm sure one way or the other I mean
  • 36:52
    there's some truth in whatever she's
  • 36:54
    talking about I think she's maybe you
  • 36:56
    know for example the grain Carter story
  • 37:00
    itself which may be where the aunt Anne
  • 37:02
    comes from afterwards yeah that's that's
  • 37:04
    kind of that I thought that's kind of
  • 37:06
    kind of how I'm very dubious and into
  • 37:08
    her part it Carter is considered one of
  • 37:11
    the greatest editors in the history of
  • 37:13
    magazine oh well that's suspicious right
  • 37:15
    there then
  • 37:22
    there's some reports that the story
  • 37:24
    she's telling is not actually accurate
  • 37:26
    and Epstein didn't show up to talk to
  • 37:29
    Carter he showed up with it with a bunch
  • 37:31
    of high-powered lawyers yeah telling him
  • 37:35
    look you can run this if you want but
  • 37:37
    you're gonna be sued out of existence as
  • 37:39
    a magazine and I don't think your boss
  • 37:40
    is at vanity at Conde Nast are gonna be
  • 37:44
    too appreciative of the kind of troubles
  • 37:46
    you're gonna cause if you run this piece
  • 37:48
    and so much for being one hip so much
  • 37:51
    for being one of the best editors what
  • 37:52
    kind of pussy editor is that guy who's
  • 37:55
    smart let's listen to her tell again but
  • 37:59
    but very powerful awful stories of what
  • 38:03
    happened to these women got taken out
  • 38:06
    with and and I and these girls yeah I
  • 38:09
    are they involved with the case that's
  • 38:12
    being open today where he's being
  • 38:14
    brought into a Manhattan Court I don't
  • 38:16
    know I have heard it I have not
  • 38:19
    confirmed that I have one sources told
  • 38:22
    me that possibly they are which obvious
  • 38:26
    which for me would be sixteen years
  • 38:29
    later sixteen years later because one of
  • 38:32
    the things that has haunted me is that
  • 38:34
    there I was trying to expose this man in
  • 38:38
    2003 and the original the furthest FBI
  • 38:42
    investigation the one that got muted by
  • 38:46
    Alexander Acosta didn't begin until 2006
  • 38:49
    so it's always been on my conscience
  • 38:52
    that for three years he molested
  • 38:57
    hundreds of sort of helpless poor women
  • 39:01
    who were in no position to fight back
  • 39:04
    against him I just want to go back to
  • 39:06
    because you made a pretty interesting
  • 39:07
    statement the Graydon Carter is one of
  • 39:09
    the great all-time magazine editors I'm
  • 39:12
    paraphrasing but that's how it came
  • 39:14
    across should this guy and I be hanging
  • 39:17
    his head in shame for rejecting one of
  • 39:19
    the biggest stories of our lifetime with
  • 39:25
    his comment no not necessarily because
  • 39:28
    rosy don't like that unless it's
  • 39:29
    rock-solid
  • 39:32
    well I'd never saw the original so I
  • 39:34
    don't know well he didn't she wrote it
  • 39:38
    and I wonder if it was rock solid his
  • 39:40
    claim is simple the story was not rock
  • 39:43
    solid and when you're an editor at that
  • 39:46
    level of the magazine that this which is
  • 39:48
    a high paying magazine I mean this is
  • 39:50
    not this is the big leagues is the major
  • 39:53
    leagues everything has to be pretty much
  • 39:56
    batten the hatches have to be batten
  • 39:59
    down you can't put anything out there
  • 40:00
    that's gonna so concentrated did a me
  • 40:03
    try to move this towards someone else
  • 40:06
    did she try to pin it on Trump who while
  • 40:08
    she was having this conversation
  • 40:10
    yeah it's Trump was actually the editor
  • 40:15
    I want to make sure it's democracy now
  • 40:17
    we're listening to enough ayk program
  • 40:21
    alright so is that the end of that clip
  • 40:24
    yes I have and and I have a current clip
  • 40:30
    from Vicki Ward who's now a
  • 40:31
    correspondent from July of this year
  • 40:34
    right but I have one from like this
  • 40:37
    morning and and now what has led to
  • 40:40
    these charges of sex trafficking you
  • 40:44
    know of of teenagers this is part of
  • 40:46
    that big network it is part of the big
  • 40:50
    network and I think you know fredericka
  • 40:52
    that what so what had so many people
  • 40:56
    interested and on the edge of their
  • 40:58
    seats about this what would have been
  • 41:01
    Jeffrey Epstein's trial but then still
  • 41:03
    really matters is the trial if you like
  • 41:07
    of the ecosystem because don't forget
  • 41:09
    the original indictment talked about a
  • 41:11
    conspiracy there have been many other
  • 41:15
    important powerful names brought up in
  • 41:18
    connection with this case former
  • 41:20
    President Bill Clinton the lawyer Alan
  • 41:22
    Dershowitz the financier Leon black less
  • 41:25
    waxing them that the retailer last week
  • 41:29
    saying you know I gave jet Jeffrey
  • 41:31
    Epstein power of attorney but I
  • 41:33
    discovered in 2007 he stole millions and
  • 41:36
    millions from from me but in wit but it
  • 41:39
    begs the question then why did Leslie
  • 41:41
    Wexner not go to the authorities there
  • 41:43
    and
  • 41:44
    think that all but the fact that the
  • 41:47
    case it still is going to sort of go
  • 41:50
    forward means that that all the people
  • 41:54
    connected to it after all it was a
  • 41:56
    conspiracy should still we backed it up
  • 42:00
    for a second there's been no official
  • 42:02
    word that the cases go this was
  • 42:04
    yesterday no official word the case is
  • 42:06
    going forward she stayed satisfied that
  • 42:09
    the case still is going to sort of go
  • 42:12
    forward means that that all the people
  • 42:16
    connected to it after all it was a
  • 42:18
    conspiracy should still think that
  • 42:23
    they're going to be questioned well then
  • 42:25
    attorney as some of the attorneys for
  • 42:27
    these accusers have said that even in
  • 42:30
    his debt they will continue to pursue
  • 42:32
    avenues to find those responsible
  • 42:35
    whether there are co-conspirators you
  • 42:38
    mentioned you know Maxwell whose name
  • 42:39
    you know appears but that this case is
  • 42:43
    not dead because telling us to say
  • 42:49
    something I'm nesting it now you can
  • 42:52
    hear this is Fredrika wills I think
  • 42:55
    Frederica Wilson anything or his name on
  • 42:57
    CNN she's an airhead she you can hear
  • 43:00
    them telling her what to say or not the
  • 43:03
    same with their co-conspirators you
  • 43:05
    mentioned you know Maxwell whose name
  • 43:06
    you know appears but that this case is
  • 43:10
    not dead because Jeffrey Epstein is for
  • 43:15
    now Micky Ward another thing you're
  • 43:19
    noticing is that and I have a clip from
  • 43:22
    Vicki ward from 2007 which is the
  • 43:24
    earliest thing I could find she has
  • 43:26
    developed this kind of socialite
  • 43:30
    stammering that apparently the reason
  • 43:34
    she has it is because she caught it it's
  • 43:36
    like a disease because when you hear in
  • 43:39
    2007 she doesn't have it she has it now
  • 43:41
    and it's so contagious that this woman
  • 43:44
    that is interviewing her is now picking
  • 43:46
    it up I'll play if she's stammering
  • 43:49
    here's the 2007 clip let's get a a
  • 43:51
    background first on Brooke Astor tell us
  • 43:54
    a bit about who she is and how she
  • 43:56
    became so
  • 43:58
    wealthy and such a great philanthropist
  • 44:00
    Brooke Astor came into her fortune
  • 44:02
    actually almost by accident she was
  • 44:05
    married three times
  • 44:06
    first very unhappily next to the love of
  • 44:09
    her life a man named Buddy Marshall and
  • 44:13
    her young son Tony from her first
  • 44:15
    marriage actually took his stepfathers
  • 44:17
    surname Tony Marshall and when she was
  • 44:21
    in her 40s she found herself widowed and
  • 44:23
    that was when she really got to know the
  • 44:26
    very very wealthy Vincent Astor who was
  • 44:29
    a grumpy pretty miserable man their
  • 44:32
    marriage lasted five years and when
  • 44:35
    Vincent Astor died to Broadcasters
  • 44:38
    enormous surprise he left her all his
  • 44:43
    money and she set about carving a
  • 44:46
    character for herself that really didn't
  • 44:48
    exist before and hasn't existed since
  • 44:50
    she gave away more money to more
  • 44:54
    charities than I think New York has ever
  • 44:56
    seen and she did so in a style that was
  • 45:00
    unprecedented and unrivaled
  • 45:02
    where was the stammering none zero huh
  • 45:07
    interesting
  • 45:08
    now another thing that does cause
  • 45:10
    stammering is unsure unsureness lying or
  • 45:14
    lying or talking about something she
  • 45:17
    knows the Astor story and went on NPR
  • 45:20
    just booked right out got a problem
  • 45:22
    doesn't know right I still think this is
  • 45:24
    a covered that she wanted to reinsert
  • 45:26
    herself into the story because she did
  • 45:27
    write that piece in 2003 there's no
  • 45:29
    doubt about it there it is but she's
  • 45:32
    been kind of out of the picture
  • 45:33
    regarding it and now she geta gets a gig
  • 45:35
    on CNN and she gets herself back in the
  • 45:38
    news that she's floating around she gets
  • 45:39
    to promote her book which of the her
  • 45:41
    newest book which is the Kushner Inc
  • 45:44
    book which is another kind of a slam
  • 45:46
    against Jared Kushner nice she obviously
  • 45:49
    I don't know if she's run into her New
  • 45:50
    York and the party scene or whatever
  • 45:51
    she hates Ivanka ooh yeah I do let's
  • 45:56
    finish this this thing you've got where
  • 45:58
    you get to stammering going back and
  • 46:00
    forth every which way
  • 46:02
    and it was over it was the end sorry
  • 46:09
    yeah but here she is this is one second
  • 46:14
    home so in the in that most recent
  • 46:16
    report she mentioned every other
  • 46:18
    possible she keeps saying it's a
  • 46:20
    conspiracy this is a conspiracy the fact
  • 46:22
    that that the other people will be
  • 46:25
    investigated she states that as fact
  • 46:27
    then yeah I'm just saying she may be a
  • 46:30
    great writer but she's pretty shitty cuz
  • 46:32
    I don't know about it being a fact yet
  • 46:33
    that's certainly not yesterday and she
  • 46:36
    doesn't mention Trump which is either a
  • 46:39
    a glaring mistake or she's gonna keep
  • 46:44
    that gig on CNN I bet you she's not for
  • 46:46
    more than six months if she if she's not
  • 46:49
    talking about Trump being complicit no
  • 46:51
    it's not gonna work for her and she
  • 46:53
    doesn't get does so this book about
  • 46:55
    Kushner Inc which I have not read it I
  • 46:58
    know I I've seen the cover I know what
  • 47:01
    Krishna's doing with Wynn read I don't
  • 47:03
    know by anything else and except for all
  • 47:05
    the stories so she does not like Kushner
  • 47:08
    and ignore Ivanka Kushner she doesn't
  • 47:11
    like Ivanka mostly and I don't know but
  • 47:13
    you can tell it in her voice she
  • 47:15
    discusses this on MSNBC when they're
  • 47:18
    talking about her book and you can tell
  • 47:20
    it in her voice or some disdain and I'm
  • 47:23
    not sure what it is it may be the
  • 47:25
    possibility excuse me it may be the
  • 47:27
    possibility that she has a British
  • 47:29
    British what just it just has a dislike
  • 47:33
    for her that's that's that's visceral
  • 47:35
    you know that you know you've had that
  • 47:37
    you know some of you just really don't
  • 47:38
    like her and she just slams her in this
  • 47:41
    piece I thought this was quite even
  • 47:42
    interesting now I don't know where she
  • 47:44
    got this information or even if it's
  • 47:46
    true it may have been picked up by
  • 47:49
    research I don't think it was an
  • 47:51
    intelligence source I just don't see it
  • 47:53
    I'd looked at because I had that I had
  • 47:57
    the sense that you might have been going
  • 47:59
    after as an intelligence
  • 48:01
    why are you stammering yeah this is
  • 48:04
    worrying me now
  • 48:04
    I got let's just play this clip that at
  • 48:08
    the end of the day the president's
  • 48:10
    president's great Achilles heel is
  • 48:12
    actually his daughter
  • 48:15
    that he had said to John Kelly when when
  • 48:17
    general Kelly became chief of staff that
  • 48:19
    he really wants them gone you know he
  • 48:22
    doesn't like it when people other than
  • 48:25
    himself draw negative attention to the
  • 48:28
    White House it's fine if he tweets
  • 48:29
    something and that that creates a
  • 48:31
    firestorm it's not fine if somebody else
  • 48:35
    reflects poorly on him he hated their
  • 48:38
    misuse of private emails because that
  • 48:42
    was something that he had gone after
  • 48:43
    Hillary Clinton with so he said to
  • 48:47
    general Kelly you know to get rid of
  • 48:49
    them they waffle unless you send them
  • 48:51
    back to New York make their life so
  • 48:53
    miserable they want to quit and you know
  • 48:56
    general Kelly was successful if you look
  • 48:58
    at the period when he was chief of staff
  • 49:00
    Jared and Ivanka were very very quiet
  • 49:03
    during that period it's the president
  • 49:06
    who was who couldn't pull the trigger
  • 49:09
    and I think that that shows that
  • 49:11
    ultimately Ivanka more so than Jared
  • 49:16
    Jared is there because he's her husband
  • 49:18
    but the President cannot say no to his
  • 49:21
    daughter which means that this White
  • 49:23
    House is essentially a family business
  • 49:27
    hmm she's got some of the talking points
  • 49:29
    there I liked it some more good hmm
  • 49:33
    she's no slouch but let's let's move
  • 49:36
    forward to this year and move away from
  • 49:38
    from Viki war don't think we're gonna
  • 49:41
    get much more except keeping her eye on
  • 49:42
    her and I still want to know where
  • 49:44
    Jelena Jasleen Maxwell is what of course
  • 49:49
    hours after this reporting came out
  • 49:52
    where I was kind of waiting for them
  • 49:53
    okay what are we gonna hear from from
  • 49:55
    the president and here's the chip Todd
  • 49:59
    Chuck Gregory Todd talking about Trump
  • 50:02
    tweet a few hours after the news of
  • 50:04
    Epstein's death president Trump waited
  • 50:06
    in sharing an unfounded conspiracy
  • 50:08
    theory speculating about how the
  • 50:10
    financier may have died the President of
  • 50:13
    the United States retweeted a
  • 50:14
    conservative commentator and comedian
  • 50:16
    who wrote quote how does this happen
  • 50:18
    Jeffrey Epstein had information on Bill
  • 50:20
    Clinton and now he's dead again the
  • 50:22
    president retweeted that Chuck Todd as
  • 50:24
    NBC's political director
  • 50:25
    so it remind you a comedian but okay and
  • 50:28
    moderator of Meet the Press Chuck good
  • 50:30
    morning I wish you and I could sit here
  • 50:31
    and say we're surprised that the
  • 50:32
    president retweeted that but right right
  • 50:36
    away jumping to a conspiracy theory
  • 50:38
    about his opponent in the last election
  • 50:40
    and his family will II think about what
  • 50:42
    Donald Trump has done to American mass
  • 50:44
    communication over the last two years
  • 50:46
    I've quite frankly an appalled and
  • 50:48
    embarrassed by the amount of responsible
  • 50:51
    people that have jumped right into a
  • 50:53
    conspiracy theory on this yes the
  • 50:56
    president is is sort of leading the
  • 50:58
    irresponsible charge here but there's a
  • 51:00
    lot of people on social media I mean the
  • 51:04
    tweets this was just a classic Trump
  • 51:08
    retweet so what it's not anything more
  • 51:12
    than that he thought it was funny I
  • 51:15
    thought it was funny yeah these guys
  • 51:18
    think it's funny well why don't you ask
  • 51:20
    your lip Joe friends I'm sure they're
  • 51:22
    all over this in the same way that Chuck
  • 51:25
    Todd is of course it's too seriously
  • 51:28
    these people are idiots
  • 51:30
    now this morning that you probably saw
  • 51:32
    this you know cher blue is this as kind
  • 51:36
    of an outgrowth of media matters and
  • 51:37
    they it's a techno expert it's trolls
  • 51:41
    it's about in troll stuff and mainly to
  • 51:45
    troll the takedown advertisers of you
  • 51:48
    know they're canceled people would
  • 51:49
    cancel culture the first thing I didn't
  • 51:51
    know is that David Brock is no longer
  • 51:53
    running it this is new Allison Gervin is
  • 51:58
    the new CEO of cher blue and he's an NBC
  • 52:03
    News except that Brock was running Media
  • 52:05
    Matters never share blue oh yeah oh yes
  • 52:08
    it's it's it's an outgrowth of Media
  • 52:10
    Matters share blue is big that's that's
  • 52:13
    where that's not a lot of money goes
  • 52:15
    into that and so I did not know that
  • 52:18
    this guy had taken over just last month
  • 52:21
    and he headed NBC's NBC News's business
  • 52:25
    tech and moseying what's his name
  • 52:27
    Allison Al is o N Gervin gir VI NASA
  • 52:32
    guys guy
  • 52:34
    the guy I'm sure he's elitist and they
  • 52:39
    had a message for their for their trolls
  • 52:42
    which they call stalwarts the share blue
  • 52:46
    stalwarts and I'll read this so this is
  • 52:50
    what goes out to the online techno
  • 52:52
    expert trolls who are supposed to go and
  • 52:54
    do something and they it's looks like
  • 52:58
    it's pretty well organized outfit
  • 53:00
    stalwarts by now most of you will have
  • 53:02
    seen the recent news regarding the death
  • 53:03
    of Jeffrey Epstein already the news is
  • 53:05
    being used by far-right activists to
  • 53:07
    spread smears and conspiracy theories on
  • 53:09
    social yeah I wish I could talk like
  • 53:13
    that unsocial yeah well if you did if
  • 53:16
    you could talk like that you'd be
  • 53:17
    selling merch
  • 53:20
    despite being both harmful and untrue on
  • 53:24
    tour it says but I'm sure he meant
  • 53:26
    untrue there's clearly if wow that's a
  • 53:28
    tell isn't it if you misspelled untrue
  • 53:31
    there's clearly a very concerted effort
  • 53:34
    from the right to reach the public
  • 53:36
    consciousness as you can see on your -
  • 53:41
    you're - the past few hours have seen a
  • 53:44
    rapid well in far-right disinformation
  • 53:46
    so they have some kind of dashboard
  • 53:48
    known as a - capital D where they can
  • 53:51
    see I guess stats on you know the the
  • 53:54
    right wing trolls I'd love to see some
  • 53:57
    of this I'd like to get the - as such we
  • 54:00
    need as many as we need as many
  • 54:05
    stalwarts as we can to counteract this
  • 54:08
    promote our own messaging and discredit
  • 54:11
    the claims being made you can find the
  • 54:15
    key notes regarding Jeffrey Epstein at
  • 54:17
    at your - and navigate to the
  • 54:21
    appropriate conversation
  • 54:23
    as this is Bree a breaking story the
  • 54:26
    keynotes I guess as their talking points
  • 54:28
    are currently bare-bones any stalwarts
  • 54:31
    who can help and adding to them would be
  • 54:32
    greatly appreciated it is the utmost
  • 54:34
    importance we act fast and face these
  • 54:37
    smears head-on with the correct
  • 54:38
    messaging currently the messaging you so
  • 54:42
    it says currently that is : do not so
  • 54:45
    this is what the dash says you should do
  • 54:47
    not do do not deny the possibility of
  • 54:50
    foul play do not excuse Epstein of his
  • 54:53
    potential crimes or the doubt or doubt
  • 54:56
    the validity of his guilt do not link to
  • 54:59
    the current court documents regarding
  • 55:01
    Epstein or use them in constructing your
  • 55:03
    argument because boy that would be crazy
  • 55:06
    however do wow yeah isn't that great do
  • 55:11
    sympathize with the potential victims of
  • 55:14
    Epstein do remind people of the prior
  • 55:17
    allegations of President Trump talking
  • 55:20
    subject 14c do remind people of Trump's
  • 55:24
    prior quotes regarding Epstein and their
  • 55:26
    proven interactions subject 34 live
  • 55:29
    article currently bare bones do remind
  • 55:32
    people of the power that the President
  • 55:34
    of the United States holds in comparison
  • 55:36
    to members of the public and 5 as always
  • 55:39
    roll con upper-case rol Co n once again
  • 55:46
    we need as many stalwarts activists
  • 55:48
    possible as role con is not that hard to
  • 55:52
    figure out once you s search around it
  • 55:54
    means play the role of conservatives so
  • 55:57
    pretend to be conservative ly use these
  • 56:01
    talking points don't point to the
  • 56:03
    original document and implicate Trump
  • 56:07
    that's great that's well that's it this
  • 56:09
    guy comes from NBC News so I I'm all-in
  • 56:12
    I think now let's with that in mind
  • 56:15
    let's listen to this article again a few
  • 56:17
    hours after the news of Epstein's death
  • 56:19
    President Trump
  • 56:20
    waded in sharing an unfounded conspiracy
  • 56:22
    theory speculating about how the
  • 56:24
    financier may have died the President of
  • 56:27
    the United States retweeted a
  • 56:29
    conservative commentator and comedian
  • 56:30
    who wrote quote how does this happen
  • 56:32
    Jeffrey Epstein had information on Bill
  • 56:35
    Clinton and now he's dead again
  • 56:37
    retweeted that Chuck Todd is NBC's
  • 56:39
    political director okay let's see if
  • 56:41
    Todd can get all the dew points right
  • 56:43
    and moderator of Meet the Press Chuck
  • 56:44
    good morning I wish you and I could sit
  • 56:46
    here and say we're surprised that the
  • 56:47
    president retweeted that but right right
  • 56:50
    away jumping to a conspiracy theory
  • 56:52
    about his opponent in the last election
  • 56:54
    and his family will he think about what
  • 56:57
    Donald Trump has done to American mass
  • 56:59
    communication over the last two years
  • 57:01
    I've quite frankly an appalled and
  • 57:03
    embarrassed by the amount of responsible
  • 57:06
    people that have jumped right into a
  • 57:08
    conspirator think this may be a point
  • 57:09
    for mine people of the power the
  • 57:11
    President of the United States holds in
  • 57:12
    comparison I think that maybe can you
  • 57:15
    ring the bell when you get good catch on
  • 57:21
    the talking points and it's pathetic
  • 57:24
    easy to identify a Chuck Todd as a
  • 57:27
    stooge role con yes the president is is
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    sort of leading the irresponsible charge
  • 57:35
    here but there's a lot of people on
  • 57:36
    social media I mean it is it is to the
  • 57:39
    point where the the I think it's way
  • 57:43
    ahead of any investigation here I think
  • 57:46
    it just shows you how particularly the
  • 57:48
    president in the way he sort of warped
  • 57:50
    information attacked the press fake news
  • 57:53
    conspiracy theories all of that stuff
  • 57:56
    which he's embraced over the years I
  • 57:57
    think the fact is my biggest concern is
  • 58:00
    that you could tell this is a virus that
  • 58:01
    is spreading so let's set that aside
  • 58:04
    with what the president did there
  • 58:06
    because this is a this is that's a
  • 58:07
    horrendous virus as for Epstein
  • 58:09
    look I think you're seeing bipartisan
  • 58:12
    outrage we are you know we have some
  • 58:14
    senators who have been so mute on other
  • 58:17
    issues they see the Epstein thing almost
  • 58:19
    as an opportunity to say oh I get to be
  • 58:21
    outraged about something and I don't
  • 58:22
    have to make Donald Trump mad so you're
  • 58:25
    gonna have some of those people coming
  • 58:27
    after the Justice Department here but
  • 58:29
    you're also gonna have others that are
  • 58:30
    gonna come after the Justice Department
  • 58:31
    for what they believe so I think bill
  • 58:33
    bars on the hotseat the entire justice
  • 58:35
    system is in the hot seat oh this one
  • 58:37
    and we'd like to think the president's
  • 58:39
    would tamp down some of the conspiracy
  • 58:41
    theories but again he's elevating them
  • 58:43
    no well they didn't do a very good job
  • 58:45
    on the talking points he's not elevating
  • 58:47
    anything
  • 58:50
    he just mentioned that the Epson was a
  • 58:52
    buddy with Bill Clinton that's it he's
  • 58:55
    trolling where's the conspiracy sir he
  • 58:57
    didn't mention the hit list
  • 58:58
    he's totally trolling these guys by the
  • 59:04
    way mental health and suicide is of
  • 59:07
    course a serious business and we're
  • 59:09
    making very light of it here on the show
  • 59:11
    we need to talk a little bit more about
  • 59:13
    some specific mental health issues that
  • 59:15
    have been in the news recently so I did
  • 59:17
    want to bring this short public service
  • 59:19
    announcement to everybody are you at
  • 59:21
    risk of accidental suicide if you are
  • 59:23
    then this advice my health avoid police
  • 59:25
    custody or any protective custody or
  • 59:27
    incarceration do not spend any time
  • 59:30
    alone in a high-rise apartment avoid
  • 59:32
    small aircraft hot tubs scheme canoeing
  • 59:36
    long drives on lonely mountainous roads
  • 59:38
    or simply being in a remote place always
  • 59:41
    vote for you Democrat nominee in federal
  • 59:43
    state and municipal elections should
  • 59:46
    anyone start up an awkward conversation
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    you simply smile politely and say I'm
  • 59:50
    with her follow these steps to reduce
  • 59:53
    your chance of accidental suicide today
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    affiliate station exactly good good nice
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    I love that someone scrawled in chalk in
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    front of the Epstein mansion in
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    Manhattan xoxo Hillary and Bill okay do
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    we have any well I guess the only thing
  • 1:00:27
    for me and I don't know what you have is
  • 1:00:30
    like I would be mrs. Lane Maxwell thing
  • 1:00:34
    yes yes and then I would say we'd be
  • 1:00:36
    remiss if we didn't listen to poach
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    annex
  • 1:00:39
    take I didn't think he had much to say
  • 1:00:42
    in that particular last one amazing
  • 1:00:46
    Polly accepts which I could gladly quit
  • 1:00:49
    no let's plan I could but amazing Polly
  • 1:00:52
    I don't listen to her I don't think
  • 1:00:53
    she's that good I think she's a she
  • 1:00:55
    invites associative kinds of
  • 1:00:59
    condemnation and I think she's full of
  • 1:01:00
    shit with a lot of stuff cuz it was just
  • 1:01:02
    she's not accurate but the person I do
  • 1:01:05
    like who I think is does do nice little
  • 1:01:10
    documentaries on the youtubes and that
  • 1:01:12
    is the truth factory talking cat yes the
  • 1:01:16
    truth factory talking cat is pretty good
  • 1:01:18
    yes yes well here's her here's the
  • 1:01:21
    talking cats little thing on Maxwell
  • 1:01:23
    words a target
  • 1:01:24
    Ghislaine I believe the real brains
  • 1:01:26
    behind the entire operation was
  • 1:01:28
    Ghislaine as this was not her first
  • 1:01:30
    rodeo surrounding herself with
  • 1:01:31
    pedophiles in 1986 she was allegedly
  • 1:01:35
    caught in compromising sexual photos
  • 1:01:37
    with former British MP Harvey Proctor
  • 1:01:40
    who liked to spank naked little boys
  • 1:01:42
    with a riding crop from there she
  • 1:01:45
    attached herself to Epstein and his
  • 1:01:47
    money becoming the handler of the young
  • 1:01:49
    sexual victims and just like her father
  • 1:01:52
    Maxwell Neve seen were both likely
  • 1:01:54
    working for the Mossad this theory was
  • 1:01:57
    made credible in a Kostas comments when
  • 1:01:59
    he said he'd cut the non-prosecution
  • 1:02:01
    deal with one of Epstein's attorneys
  • 1:02:03
    because he had been told to back off
  • 1:02:05
    that app scene was above his pay grade I
  • 1:02:08
    was told that Epstein belonged to
  • 1:02:11
    intelligence and to leave it alone
  • 1:02:13
    but what would intelligence services
  • 1:02:15
    want with a disgusting sex offender
  • 1:02:17
    probably the same thing that the Mossad
  • 1:02:20
    got by filming Robert Maxwell's sexual
  • 1:02:23
    exploits they would use agents of
  • 1:02:25
    influence like Epstein to blackmail rich
  • 1:02:28
    and powerful people Jeffrey Epstein was
  • 1:02:31
    running a honey trap in a 2006 court
  • 1:02:34
    filing Palm Beach police noted that a
  • 1:02:36
    search of Epstein's home uncovered two
  • 1:02:38
    hidden cameras in a 2015 of a lawsuit
  • 1:02:42
    filed by Jane Doe number three who is
  • 1:02:44
    likely actually for jr. Roberts seen
  • 1:02:47
    here with Ghislaine and Prince Andrew
  • 1:02:49
    she accused Maxwell of having recruited
  • 1:02:52
    her in 1999 when she was only a minor
  • 1:02:55
    after Maxwell introduced her to Epstein
  • 1:02:58
    she was groomed by the two of them for
  • 1:03:01
    his pleasure she asserted that Maxwell
  • 1:03:03
    Epstein had trafficked her and other
  • 1:03:05
    girls often at sex parties hosted by
  • 1:03:07
    Epstein at his homes an alleged that
  • 1:03:10
    Epstein wired his mansion with hidden
  • 1:03:12
    cameras secretly recording orgies
  • 1:03:14
    involving his prominent friends and
  • 1:03:16
    underage girls you know it just brings
  • 1:03:23
    it in and he sees Alicia discusses the
  • 1:03:25
    woman yeah but the one thing I got a
  • 1:03:27
    kick out it was this little other thing
  • 1:03:29
    the honey pot clip where this this is
  • 1:03:33
    the kind of thing that as somebody who
  • 1:03:36
    has any brains probably would have done
  • 1:03:38
    if it was presented to them because
  • 1:03:40
    especially the way it was presented this
  • 1:03:43
    is story about a journalist who went to
  • 1:03:44
    one of the parties and I think these
  • 1:03:45
    cameras which we've discussed on other
  • 1:03:47
    shows were used mostly for the purposes
  • 1:03:50
    of getting other people to shut up not
  • 1:03:52
    necessarily the clique of pedophiles
  • 1:03:55
    which I still think was a kind of just a
  • 1:03:58
    club as opposed to all blackmailed I
  • 1:04:01
    don't think they're necessarily wanted
  • 1:04:03
    you know me they blackmail because they
  • 1:04:04
    all know each other but I don't think it
  • 1:04:06
    was the intent to blackmail them as it
  • 1:04:08
    was to blackmail other people to shut
  • 1:04:11
    them up and this little anecdote coming
  • 1:04:13
    up I thought was very on the money
  • 1:04:16
    Jeffrey Epstein's job was simple to be a
  • 1:04:18
    pimp and to find elite people in the US
  • 1:04:21
    political and economic industries and
  • 1:04:23
    compromise them journalist Eric Margolis
  • 1:04:27
    even said when meeting I've seen for the
  • 1:04:29
    first time soon after I walked into the
  • 1:04:31
    entrance of Epstein's mansion a butler
  • 1:04:33
    asked me would you like an intimate
  • 1:04:35
    massage sir by a pretty young girl too
  • 1:04:38
    seemed out of place and weird to me so I
  • 1:04:41
    swiftly declined as an old observer of
  • 1:04:43
    intelligence affairs to me this offer
  • 1:04:45
    reached at the ye old honey trap a
  • 1:04:48
    tactic to ensnare and blackmail people
  • 1:04:51
    that was old when Babylon was young a
  • 1:04:53
    discreet room with a massage table
  • 1:04:55
    lubricants and no doubt camera stood
  • 1:04:58
    ready off the main lobby this footage
  • 1:05:01
    was likely used to blackmail elites
  • 1:05:03
    afterwards for hush money once you have
  • 1:05:05
    that money you can buy more mansions
  • 1:05:07
    cars more girls and have massive parties
  • 1:05:10
    where you can connect to even more
  • 1:05:12
    influential perverts that you can extort
  • 1:05:14
    to keep growing this disgusting Empire
  • 1:05:17
    this was in a in a in an article I think
  • 1:05:20
    I've read this I don't think so
  • 1:05:24
    yeah this is a guy who wrote about this
  • 1:05:27
    experience verbatim not have to look it
  • 1:05:29
    up
  • 1:05:30
    look the cat didn't go into the mansion
  • 1:05:32
    we know that that would have been very
  • 1:05:34
    the talking cat would have been a
  • 1:05:36
    surprise now it's too bad that Epstein
  • 1:05:39
    is dead extracted gone whatever although
  • 1:05:42
    I still want to bring this important
  • 1:05:44
    piece of information we had a we
  • 1:05:47
    replayed a recording of the Epstein
  • 1:05:49
    deposition of 2009 here's a reminder to
  • 1:05:52
    my campaign
  • 1:05:53
    yes do you solemnly swear the testimony
  • 1:05:55
    you're about to give will be the truth
  • 1:05:56
    the whole truth and nothing but the
  • 1:05:57
    truth so help you God
  • 1:05:58
    yes I did
  • 1:06:01
    could you please give us your name
  • 1:06:03
    Jeffrey Epstein
  • 1:06:08
    is it true sir that you have what's been
  • 1:06:12
    described as an egg-shaped penis form
  • 1:06:17
    dang and dr. Jackson your honor I'll
  • 1:06:19
    give you the first one investigated that
  • 1:06:22
    these types of questions are not only
  • 1:06:25
    argumentative but let's get Denise the
  • 1:06:28
    second version of the question if you
  • 1:06:30
    continue that this type of question all
  • 1:06:31
    adjourned the deposition immediately
  • 1:06:34
    sir according to the police department's
  • 1:06:38
    probable cause affidavit one witness
  • 1:06:40
    described your penis as oval-shaped and
  • 1:06:44
    claimed when erect it was thick towards
  • 1:06:47
    the bottom but was thin and small
  • 1:06:49
    towards the head portion and called it
  • 1:06:51
    egg-shaped those are not my words I
  • 1:06:53
    apologize but as mr. Rajan has mr.
  • 1:06:56
    Creighton has stated that this is
  • 1:07:01
    information man new shit has come to
  • 1:07:03
    light yes the No Agenda producers never
  • 1:07:06
    cease to amaze me with their with their
  • 1:07:08
    experience background and information
  • 1:07:11
    they're willing to share from producer
  • 1:07:12
    Eric we received Adam and John enjoyed
  • 1:07:15
    the clip on the egg-shaped epstein penis
  • 1:07:17
    that's always a good opener for an email
  • 1:07:20
    I feel I feel I might be able to shed
  • 1:07:23
    some light on this I was a professional
  • 1:07:26
    Pearce and body modifier in several
  • 1:07:29
    underground communities in the late 90s
  • 1:07:31
    and early 2000s the term we had for guys
  • 1:07:34
    back then was milk bottle dicks because
  • 1:07:36
    their penises look like a milk bottle
  • 1:07:38
    these guys were penis pump addicts they
  • 1:07:42
    would use a vacuum pressure penis pump
  • 1:07:44
    to enlarge their dicks the anatomy of
  • 1:07:47
    the penis is such that the shaft expands
  • 1:07:49
    at a different rate than the head making
  • 1:07:51
    the base and shaft a lot longer and
  • 1:07:54
    thicker than the head my guess we got a
  • 1:07:56
    pumper on her hands and I I thought this
  • 1:07:59
    is very interesting information because
  • 1:08:02
    for sure I'm never going to buy a vacuum
  • 1:08:04
    pump now and I recommend no one do this
  • 1:08:09
    wow I can totally see that guy being a
  • 1:08:11
    pumper yeah the more gets better the
  • 1:08:16
    better on the no agenda show
  • 1:08:19
    I should I should have had this one
  • 1:08:22
    ready the more the more you know here it
  • 1:08:27
    is that's the one the more you know in
  • 1:08:29
    the morning alright do you want to go to
  • 1:08:32
    this pajama clip quick we don't have to
  • 1:08:34
    do every single day and and then we'll
  • 1:08:37
    be done for now right yeah okay
  • 1:08:38
    so and botanic emailed me this link he
  • 1:08:41
    said I wanted want to record a long
  • 1:08:43
    interview with you so he's got something
  • 1:08:46
    to say and I'm gonna talk to him on
  • 1:08:47
    Tuesday and I'll record it and we'll see
  • 1:08:50
    what comes out of it but he he his quote
  • 1:08:53
    was his quote was I really want to talk
  • 1:08:56
    to you about this let's record it many
  • 1:08:58
    more going down I'm interested when he
  • 1:09:02
    says this you know I have no problem
  • 1:09:05
    talking to our friends sealed
  • 1:09:07
    indictments okay many thousands of
  • 1:09:10
    unsealed indictments okay what were
  • 1:09:12
    sealed sealed indictments who knows by
  • 1:09:15
    the time I talk to him and maybe under
  • 1:09:17
    sealed what do you know hi this is dr.
  • 1:09:19
    Jenna and let's talk about Jeff Epstein
  • 1:09:21
    suppose it suicide whether he committed
  • 1:09:24
    suicide or he's dead
  • 1:09:26
    or they took him out of jail is really
  • 1:09:27
    not relevant what happened today with
  • 1:09:30
    Jeff Epstein is a travesty of justice
  • 1:09:32
    and the law but also of our intelligence
  • 1:09:35
    system several weeks ago in July 15 16 I
  • 1:09:39
    saw the story being developed where
  • 1:09:41
    Epstein was decided that he was going to
  • 1:09:44
    commit suicide and he had a rope around
  • 1:09:46
    his neck and had marks on his neck and
  • 1:09:48
    there was a member in his cell which was
  • 1:09:50
    absurd of course Epstein was in his cell
  • 1:09:53
    now by himself his dynamic is such that
  • 1:09:56
    he would never commit suicide he's too
  • 1:09:58
    narcissistic bombastic I treated guys
  • 1:10:00
    like this they don't commit suicide
  • 1:10:03
    whatever you think of pachán ik he does
  • 1:10:07
    have the credentials to be able to make
  • 1:10:08
    a claim like that and he's not the only
  • 1:10:11
    one making that claim who else has made
  • 1:10:13
    this point a lot of people have said
  • 1:10:15
    that he's too narcissist he's nothing
  • 1:10:16
    he's not suicidal stances although I I
  • 1:10:21
    was reading a report somewhere else that
  • 1:10:23
    claimed that
  • 1:10:25
    pedophiles they commit more suicide than
  • 1:10:28
    anybody especially pedophile heard of
  • 1:10:30
    pedophiles who abuse boys
  • 1:10:33
    I don't know where that article is but
  • 1:10:35
    yeah so there's conflicting information
  • 1:10:37
    out there I saw that too but botanic has
  • 1:10:39
    credentials in this area so unless he's
  • 1:10:41
    bullshitting us I'm gonna tell everybody
  • 1:10:43
    filed commit suicide so no some don't
  • 1:10:46
    for some reason and I think we can
  • 1:10:49
    assume he's one of them what we do is we
  • 1:10:51
    take them out and remember what I said
  • 1:10:53
    a month ago several months ago he works
  • 1:10:55
    for Mossad and the CIA why because he
  • 1:10:58
    compromised so many political and
  • 1:11:00
    economic figures that it was important
  • 1:11:03
    for all of you to understand this wasn't
  • 1:11:05
    just an individual this is a system that
  • 1:11:07
    we funded and that we've been an
  • 1:11:09
    alliance to the Mossad and the Jewish
  • 1:11:12
    Americans who are leading us now this
  • 1:11:15
    was interesting this glitch in the
  • 1:11:17
    YouTube video is in every version you
  • 1:11:19
    know every single time I looked at it
  • 1:11:21
    the minute he's going to say something
  • 1:11:22
    about the Jews in America it and this is
  • 1:11:25
    a glitch
  • 1:11:26
    it literally glitches out I don't have
  • 1:11:29
    to ask him what he said when mechanic is
  • 1:11:31
    Jewish we should mention that yes that's
  • 1:11:33
    why he said you should never talk about
  • 1:11:36
    this the way I talk about it only I can
  • 1:11:37
    do that system that we funded and that
  • 1:11:42
    we've been an alliance to the Mossad and
  • 1:11:45
    the Jewish Americans who are leading us
  • 1:11:49
    Jeffrey Epstein as I said to you is an
  • 1:11:52
    operative he's a poor jerk of a
  • 1:11:55
    low-level Jewish guy who never amounted
  • 1:11:57
    to anything it was grandiose the fact of
  • 1:12:01
    the matter is that he had compromised a
  • 1:12:03
    lot of people using make-belief money
  • 1:12:06
    and a fictional background what really
  • 1:12:08
    is true is the following and most of you
  • 1:12:11
    did not follow this two days ago a
  • 1:12:14
    member of our military was appointed as
  • 1:12:18
    Director of National Intelligence
  • 1:12:20
    McGuire a Vice Admiral of military
  • 1:12:23
    intelligence now why is that important
  • 1:12:25
    and what does that have to do with
  • 1:12:26
    Epstein everybody wonders the answer is
  • 1:12:29
    very simple military intelligence which
  • 1:12:32
    I've been part of for over four decades
  • 1:12:34
    is the only institution that we can rely
  • 1:12:37
    on that will not be compromised by the
  • 1:12:39
    Mossad in turn what happened is two days
  • 1:12:42
    ago Susan brought a Gordon who was
  • 1:12:45
    deputy of national intelligence behind
  • 1:12:48
    clapper and others was not appointed to
  • 1:12:52
    become Director of National Intelligence
  • 1:12:53
    now why is that related to Epstein
  • 1:12:56
    because season Gordon is Jewish and she
  • 1:12:58
    was close to John Brennan who's close to
  • 1:13:00
    the Mossad
  • 1:13:02
    so Trump in his wisdom as crazy as
  • 1:13:05
    people think was a Fox in the henhouse
  • 1:13:07
    now I'm not exactly sure what Powe genic
  • 1:13:10
    is saying here I think what he means is
  • 1:13:13
    that he the Trump is getting everyone
  • 1:13:18
    around him who is a potential problem
  • 1:13:20
    away cutting all the potential issues
  • 1:13:24
    out although I think you and I still
  • 1:13:27
    have questions as to who's writing his
  • 1:13:28
    speeches you know possibly putting in
  • 1:13:30
    Nazi code words nothing weird shit that
  • 1:13:33
    could still be someone in the orbit but
  • 1:13:35
    I heard him say I'm one of those famous
  • 1:13:37
    on the way to the helicopter stand-up
  • 1:13:40
    things on the on the White House lawn
  • 1:13:42
    says what do you think I should I
  • 1:13:44
    appoint sue should be sue yeah you want
  • 1:13:46
    to vet her sue so he was goading kind of
  • 1:13:48
    to see what the response was I didn't
  • 1:13:50
    get it at the time so I guess that this
  • 1:13:53
    is distancing himself and everything
  • 1:13:56
    from the CIA who apparently would be
  • 1:13:59
    implicated with Mossad in this epstein
  • 1:14:03
    platform almost it was a given that
  • 1:14:05
    Susan was gonna get this job
  • 1:14:08
    oh okay so then there you go it was a
  • 1:14:12
    given by the hierarchy of the system
  • 1:14:14
    yeah by that by the by the buzz yeah all
  • 1:14:18
    right yes one of this is her turn okay
  • 1:14:20
    you know this this happens in government
  • 1:14:23
    and everybody I mean that's why Biden is
  • 1:14:26
    his turn him let him we continue exactly
  • 1:14:31
    to go away from the CIA and the civilian
  • 1:14:35
    intelligence and bring in military
  • 1:14:37
    intelligence
  • 1:14:38
    so Susan Gordon is out John Brennan is
  • 1:14:40
    out the Obama people out the Clintons
  • 1:14:43
    didn't do this this is far more
  • 1:14:45
    sophisticated but also more awkward than
  • 1:14:47
    you think the reasoning goes as follows
  • 1:14:50
    in the intelligence community I know the
  • 1:14:52
    CIA very well I know the most signed
  • 1:14:54
    very well they're not very bright when
  • 1:14:56
    it
  • 1:14:56
    to creating a storyline like Jeff
  • 1:14:58
    Epstein that this part I like very much
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    this is the part that I'm on board yes
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    they created this beast and they created
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    this incredible you know a pedophilia
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    ring but what they didn't understand and
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    they couldn't come to any resolution was
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    the fact that well we can't explain the
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    suicide we'll just say he's suicidal and
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    he died in a cell by himself committing
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    suicide
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    that's called paradoxical intention what
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    that means is that we're gonna use the
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    most absurd concept and lecture people
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    the civilians run with it as long as we
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    can label conspiracy theories so in
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    Wikipedia in the New York Times all they
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    did was fall for this trap of
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    paradoxical intention where they said
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    okay it's a conspiracy theory the man
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    killed himself in a Cell which had no
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    capability to kill yourself so who else
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    was compromised and why was this so
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    important to come out now governor de
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    santis of Florida who is a Jag officer
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    and a SEAL team of Special Forces and
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    fought overseas decided he's going to
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    have a florida investigation at a
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    prosecution of the Attorney General
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    Jewish guy Berman who was involved as
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    well as the police chief of Palm Beach
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    who lied then we have a woman by the
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    name of Jeff er who implicated the mrs.
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    Maxwell also implicated Prince Andrews
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    of England now Andrews of England was
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    accused of sucking the toll this
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    fourteen fifteen year old where they
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    whether he did or didn't do it's not
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    important the point of fact is the winds
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    of family has always lied cheated and
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    was corrupt then not Windsor's they're
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    basically German they were pro-nazi in
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    the beginning of World War Two and had
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    it not been for Winston Churchill we
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    would have not had a successful England
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    so what else was compromised
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    Richardson bill Richardson of New Mexico
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    summers of Harvard a whole bunch of
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    other individuals were compromised and
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    as a result of that the resolution had
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    to be that Epstein had committed suicide
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    in our business we say kiss excuse SEC
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    use another one he who excuses
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    fork uses himself and also don't forget
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    paradoxical intention you all will call
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    this a conspiracy thank you and good
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    night
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