Art for episode 1109

1109: Pentacon

Adam Curry & John C. Dvorak

2h 46m
February 3rd, 2019
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Executive Producers: James Smith, T. Odelsting, Matthew Hamilton, Rob Van Dijk, Sir Bob of the Clueless Nation

Associate Executive Producers: Daniel Saenz, Alex, Sir Jim Briscoe, Sir Woody of the Falls

Cover Art by Mark G

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Chapters

0:00
Start of Show
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0:34
Hoax Attributes Death of Birds in The Hague, Netherlands to 5G
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2:37
Producer Note: 5G Speed Test
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3:22
5G is About Increasing Media Consumption
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6:35
Pi-hole
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19:16
Superbowl Predictions
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26:09
Spotify in Talks to Buy Gimlet Media
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28:02
No Agenda Received Offer from Spotify
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30:55
Podcast Advertising
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34:38
JUUL Launches Nationwide E-Cigarettes Ad Campaign Aimed at Adult Smokers
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42:23
Ellen Page Slams Mike Pence's LGBTQ Record on The Late Show with Stephen Colbert
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50:20
Don Lemon Equates the MAGA Hat to Racism
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54:42
European Colonization of Americas Killed So Many It Cooled Earth's Climate
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57:30
NPR: Newt Gingrich Created the Term Climate Change as Alternative to Global Warming
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1:08:17
Credits
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1:28:50
Tulsi Gabbard
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1:33:50
Canada Establishes Panel to Warn of Potential Election Meddling
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1:39:11
Venezuela
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1:49:22
Cameroon Main Opposition Leader Arrested Over Illegal Protests
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1:50:21
Protests in Madrid to Demand Higher Pension Increase
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1:53:15
Dutch Principal Admits Protesting Climate Change is Allowed, Protesting Migrants is Not
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1:54:10
Act 12 of the Yellow Vests Protests Honoring Victims of Police Violence
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1:56:22
Roger Stone Claims He Was Not Read His Miranda Rights
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1:59:17
Massive Layoffs at New Media Companies After End to Fake News Subsidy
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2:02:16
Donations
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2:22:09
Birthdays & Title Changes
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2:24:19
Virginia House of Delegates Member Kathy Trun Under Fire for Late-Term Abortion Bill
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2:37:56
Homeland Security Created Fake University in Michigan as Part of Immigration Sting
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2:39:16
End of Show
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  • 0:00
    I hate Super Bowl analysis Adam curry
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    this is no agenda morning everybody
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    curry and from northern Silicon Valley
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    where the birds are dropping out of the
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    sky but not here I'm Chelsea Devorah
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    [Music]
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    please don't tell me you're gonna start
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    off with a hoax oh the dead birds in my
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    hey we got now we got to play it so I
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    can detox you hundreds of birds have
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    fallen from the sky in The Hague the
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    Netherlands during a 5g experiment to
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    see how large the range was and whether
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    the new wireless technology and what the
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    fine outfit was broadcasting this piece
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    that you thought wow this this has got
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    to be true this sounds like a real
  • 1:00
    mainstream outfit here to you on the
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    podcast report would cause any harm in
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    the local area news of the adverse
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    effects suffered by these starlings was
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    slow to break as initially I think this
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    is the same report they had for the
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    windmills I just added 5g you know like
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    you know when I was over there I visited
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    some of the major windmill farms this
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    huge windows there's no dead anything
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    around those things no you think to be a
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    feather you think there's a feather some
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    bird food now there were dead birds in
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    the park in the in the Hague but it
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    seems like there were some poisoning of
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    the birds that's why they they forbid
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    people from taking their dogs in for a
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    while hey the way I looked at it with it
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    at the beginning discussing dead
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    starlings I was all in need more dead
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    starlings we got em up in Washington
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    State
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    hey can you can you just imagine if
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    maybe maybe maybe this 5g can Electrify
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    and nuke the grackle problem we have in
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    Austin now that would be a benefit
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    birds there they are creepy they have
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    their own Yelp page they do yes does
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    anyone have do you have a recording of
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    them cuz they make a funny sound
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    I can make one I'll make one as we're
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    walking by on 2nd Street and they're all
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    in the and the load that little zoom go
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    that'll sound great instead he'll pick
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    him up like a champ
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    now there's plenty of problems with with
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    5g funny problems with 5g I don't think
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    the birds got nuked by this experiment
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    at all we had one of our producers in is
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    in Canada and I guess was it Canada now
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    I gotta think yeah yeah I think he's on
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    Rogers and say he has one of those
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    phones that says 5g yeah and and so he
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    did a speed test
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    they speedtest.net I think in in town
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    and it was like you know half a megabit
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    per second went up to his home an hour
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    outside of the city on 4G you know 60
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    megabits per second and stuff is not
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    quite so it's working faster on 4G of
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    course I mean the 5g stuff well we'll
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    see it's nonsense there's no way they're
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    gonna get fight with us there Brian
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    about 5 megabits per second it only
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    takes seconds to download a movie well
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    hold on a second now this is the wrong
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    eye I just got to say it since you when
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    you bring this up my experience
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    throughout the internet and I go a ways
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    back but also from the providing access
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    either to client servers or otherwise
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    and it's not of so much about speed
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    that's the consumer myth that's been
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    sold to you like oh it's 5g it'll be
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    even faster it's about the throughput
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    and I have seen throughout my career
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    consistently for anything for any though
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    of course I did big websites for you
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    know for Reebok and Continental Airlines
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    and Budweiser but even when we were
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    doing pod show slash me vo slash
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    whatever the hell it became the fatter
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    the pipe the more bandwidth not speed
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    the more bandwidth the more media is
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    consumed and it's an this is something
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    in
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    important to understand with this 5g
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    rollout so if you're selling if it does
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    say you're selling ads and on whatever
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    pipe you have it could be a huge pipe
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    you make it bigger it is just the law
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    it's the natural law of physics
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    you get more accesses and therefore can
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    technically sell more ads it's just a
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    fact
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    okay so that would be a main reason for
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    these idiots to try and you know push
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    this forward I agree with you I don't
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    think it's all that great in this health
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    concerns of course and you know what
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    it's really coming down to now is hey
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    everybody
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    don't use Huawei including Germany as of
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    this week as the US has asked German
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    providers to get rid of their wild
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    Huawei equipment for 5g which there is
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    some reluctance towards take the gear
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    back exactly very expensive but here's
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    the thing I don't think the market
  • 5:30
    really believes that I'm looking at the
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    alternatives
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    I guess Nokia would be that no clear
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    error about Nokia Ericsson they both
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    have their trials their stock is dead in
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    the water it's not really moving
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    anywhere it's not like people are going
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    home Huawei is out it's gonna be these
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    guys I don't see it so I don't know what
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    this noise is about
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    or what kind of guarantees we're going
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    to get or if it even matters well if it
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    even matters if the deal so that somehow
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    the Chinese will be able to shut down
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    yeah the Huawei routers with all of that
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    stuff nice did you not learn in
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    podcasting school to hit your mute
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    button when you saw but if someone send
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    me one I'd use okay let's go back to the
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    Huawei thing I'm the next phone I'm
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    getting is a wall way well that doesn't
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    sound like a very smart idea by me have
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    you not seen Kingsman - i would be
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    careful no nice phone I've looked at and
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    they're pretty they got all kinds of why
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    why when you you do a show with me twice
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    a week why would you want any kind of
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    smart anything in your hands why do you
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    want a phone at all
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    well it's outside yourselves gonna use
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    it oh just to look at it to see how
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    pretty it is
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    or this you're getting it for free maybe
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    that's what's going on I wish
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    well I wouldn't spit I took I don't
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    spend a dime on any smart stuff anymore
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    you know what you just make it big see
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    now I walked past here we have this did
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    I tell you this we have the stupid nest
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    because the apartment has nests and
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    you're not allowed to remove it and all
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    this and so I've been looking at gun
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    well I did the next best thing
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    essentially is I turned on my piehole or
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    you know my monitoring and I walked past
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    walked pass past the nest it immediately
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    sent to pain to it's logging server just
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    for me walking past it so they're
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    building a profile of what I'm doing in
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    my own home
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    that's disgusting blocks block locked
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    it's getting pretty good around here you
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    turn on the Roku you know if you're the
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    Roku you have the your overview screen
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    of your different services and it has to
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    the right it'll show an ad of you know
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    promote something to watch yeah yeah
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    that's empty now with me I successfully
  • 7:59
    made that box empty went away when you
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    block this service yeah maybe it's
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    getting the that information from the
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    same service it's or the same server
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    it's not even on kind of yeah it's just
  • 8:13
    like how this guy's not here whatever or
  • 8:15
    these that the problem is these things
  • 8:16
    are not consolidated so the Roku boxes
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    you're clicking on stuff knows you're on
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    or doesn't know you're on but it just
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    responds to your clicking on just no
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    just picking up the remote the rogue and
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    it knows you're on yep that part knows
  • 8:31
    you're on but yeah so in other words
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    these services aren't talking to each
  • 8:34
    other in some some micro services oh no
  • 8:37
    not yet say hey hey where's where's my
  • 8:41
    ad it's supposed to be over here and the
  • 8:42
    guy says she's not on what we think he
  • 8:45
    is yeah oh no it's not doing that no and
  • 8:48
    it's all just to Roku service and the
  • 8:50
    Netflix is just talking to home base all
  • 8:52
    the time even when it's not when I'm not
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    using it so the app is not selected Roku
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    is not is it's on but it's not
  • 9:01
    you know app is selected it's not
  • 9:02
    streaming to my television and Netflix
  • 9:05
    is just talking to home base to me
  • 9:07
    several times an hour a ridiculous waste
  • 9:10
    of bandwidth at these things keep doing
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    this well and this is another reason No
  • 9:15
    this is another reason why 5g is the
  • 9:17
    Valhalla for the you know for it for
  • 9:21
    Silicon Valley and all this stuff that
  • 9:23
    is totally going to destroy our lives
  • 9:28
    it's already kind of getting there huh
  • 9:35
    yeah we should do a article together on
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    the piehole okay w out on the pie hole
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    building one but not perfect yes a
  • 9:44
    concept just the idea the EBI and
  • 9:47
    discuss and experience things cuz nobody
  • 9:49
    thinks that when you turn on the Roku
  • 9:51
    boxes you mean when you pick up the
  • 9:56
    remote no one thinks about when you just
  • 9:59
    walk through your house and the nest
  • 10:00
    sees you walking that it's report also
  • 10:03
    pulls in local weather you know it's
  • 10:05
    doing all these different things trying
  • 10:07
    to make decisions I don't know if
  • 10:09
    they're cloud based decisions or
  • 10:10
    whatever I just want this thing just to
  • 10:12
    stay at the temperature I said it to and
  • 10:14
    not be changing all the time
  • 10:16
    Zephyr some things are consistent and
  • 10:19
    always on time
  • 10:22
    okay so where do we when we do this
  • 10:24
    article and then we're gonna put it on
  • 10:26
    night minutes late by the way we're
  • 10:28
    gonna put it on medium this hey
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    everybody we got a post on medium maybe
  • 10:39
    HuffPo will accept our submission st.
  • 10:41
    Louis post-dispatch get picked up by
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    Scripps but this is this is really what
  • 10:50
    this war this trade war whatever we have
  • 10:54
    it's not just a trade war we still have
  • 10:55
    the CFO of Huawei waiting to be
  • 10:58
    extradited you know it's they weren't
  • 11:02
    the Chinese weren't so upset but they
  • 11:04
    just extradite her to the United States
  • 11:05
    and then they can make a fuss and get
  • 11:08
    she's gonna be in limbo forever if
  • 11:10
    they'd leave it go on like this she
  • 11:11
    can't be happy here's the one thing I
  • 11:13
    wanted to ask you
  • 11:16
    considering where the internet came from
  • 11:18
    considering the dominance of the English
  • 11:21
    language not just on the public internet
  • 11:24
    but encode you know code is is English
  • 11:27
    air traffic control a lot of it
  • 11:29
    instructions
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    you know the commands you know very well
  • 11:33
    variables you can set to whatever you
  • 11:34
    want it's not wire B what not just movie
  • 11:38
    instructions these lousy instructions
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    [Music]
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    wire B yeah wire B what please wait some
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    time that's my favorite menu so please
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    wait some time but taking all that into
  • 11:51
    account yes we need to be wary of China
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    and and their products and what they may
  • 11:58
    be slipping into certain you know we
  • 12:01
    have to be able to see source code of
  • 12:03
    stuff its but at the basis do we not
  • 12:06
    only have a head start but can we not
  • 12:08
    just say that are dudes named Ben are
  • 12:11
    dudettes named Bernadette are hackers
  • 12:14
    arc they must be superior to anybody
  • 12:17
    else in the world why do we give so much
  • 12:20
    credence I think our guys and gals kick
  • 12:23
    their ass any day you know this is funny
  • 12:26
    you brought this up I don't have the
  • 12:27
    list in front of me but JC who manages
  • 12:30
    dudes named Ben has come up with a whole
  • 12:34
    thesis about what the different dudes
  • 12:37
    named been culturally which who are the
  • 12:40
    best ones and the worst ones and the
  • 12:42
    ones that can't do this the ones that
  • 12:43
    can't do that I have to get this list
  • 12:45
    from a woman who will sit down and do it
  • 12:46
    but he does have one interesting thing
  • 12:48
    which coincidentally kind of backs up
  • 12:51
    the kind of dudes named Ben we have he
  • 12:53
    says that the Muslim coders are
  • 12:55
    stunningly superior to the general Asian
  • 12:58
    code coder and Kenny Kenny pinpoint as
  • 13:01
    to why that is I don't know
  • 13:03
    Manon asked but just in general just our
  • 13:05
    history our legacy our background you
  • 13:09
    know I think that we lost a lot of
  • 13:11
    ground to Eastern Europe
  • 13:14
    the Eastern Europe yeah he's got
  • 13:16
    thoughts on that too they work
  • 13:18
    differently and Israelis you know have I
  • 13:20
    think also have a the Israelis gotta be
  • 13:24
    better than the Chinese I just don't see
  • 13:26
    why everyone's all upset about Chinese
  • 13:28
    hackers and Chinese spying they're not
  • 13:30
    just not that great what about the North
  • 13:32
    Korean spires oh please oh please this
  • 13:36
    is an axis of evil this is bullcrap what
  • 13:39
    are they what are they practicing on he
  • 13:43
    did talk about the Chinese coders having
  • 13:45
    a certain characteristic characteristics
  • 13:48
    sure maybe but you know just this it's
  • 13:50
    always in you know we had the national
  • 13:53
    threat assessment which is where Rachel
  • 13:55
    Maddow came out freaking out that the
  • 13:57
    you know the Russians can turn off all
  • 13:58
    of our heat everywhere so cold here I'm
  • 14:04
    using a space here it's plugged into a
  • 14:06
    socket as a switch on it but you know
  • 14:08
    the Russians gonna turn that off we need
  • 14:11
    to teach some things to our kids
  • 14:13
    Russians are gonna turn off a fireplace
  • 14:16
    kids need to learn you're gonna turn off
  • 14:18
    your fireplace kids need to learn some
  • 14:22
    certain base just as safe sex needs to
  • 14:25
    be practiced they need to understand
  • 14:26
    safe use of technology well and and and
  • 14:30
    one day when we retire when we exit rich
  • 14:33
    will start a scholarship called the
  • 14:35
    professor Ted scholarship for for the
  • 14:39
    cyber
  • 14:39
    prophylactics kids need to understand
  • 14:42
    that everyone's given up yeah yeah I had
  • 14:51
    a conversation with a real estate agent
  • 14:53
    um yeah we're trying to find a house
  • 14:57
    something affordable in Austin and that
  • 15:00
    and you have what she has to ask me
  • 15:01
    something so let me just text Tina so I
  • 15:04
    pull out my Nokia e75 a brother in our
  • 15:13
    family he's kind of a project he's 40 I
  • 15:15
    think she's trying to say he was maybe
  • 15:17
    had some learning disability won't be
  • 15:21
    sensitive and she know so we gave him
  • 15:24
    one of those phones but he wanted to
  • 15:25
    flip so comparing me basically
  • 15:27
    someone who was retarded Jordi you're
  • 15:30
    retarded mental ability and I said no
  • 15:33
    the reason I have this is so that when
  • 15:35
    I'm talking with you I'm not distracted
  • 15:37
    so that when I'm talking with you I know
  • 15:39
    no one else is going to be eavesdropping
  • 15:41
    on the fact that we're together or that
  • 15:43
    well maybe what we're saying and when
  • 15:45
    I'm talking to you that I want you to
  • 15:48
    have my undivided attention that's why I
  • 15:51
    have this phone and you can working on
  • 15:55
    this rap but it's starting to work when
  • 15:57
    you say these three things like I don't
  • 15:59
    want to be distracted when I'm talking
  • 16:01
    to you I don't want anyone else to know
  • 16:02
    I'm talking to you and I definitely
  • 16:04
    definitely want you to have my full
  • 16:06
    attention not something that's beeping
  • 16:08
    buzzing and flipping and throwing off
  • 16:09
    all kinds of alerts one more element
  • 16:12
    that third element is the same as the
  • 16:14
    first element hmm okay well we'll work
  • 16:19
    on it and we'll publish this in our
  • 16:20
    medium article as well you need you need
  • 16:22
    three r83 three points no but the one is
  • 16:29
    yeah it gets distraction yeah you're
  • 16:31
    right is the same thing hmm I need a
  • 16:34
    third one oh and here is five dollars
  • 16:39
    from the money I saved I'm not buying an
  • 16:41
    iPhone how about that or just a dollar
  • 16:54
    and here's a dollar because there's over
  • 16:56
    a thousand people who I'm giving a
  • 16:58
    dollar to that I'm not spending on an
  • 17:00
    iPhone yeah I think we'll get the three
  • 17:05
    will work on so anyway so no birds no
  • 17:10
    roller eyes and go what a rube she went
  • 17:14
    so do you do or you don't have no it's
  • 17:19
    probably purse no stop she's probably
  • 17:20
    unaware that these phones can be used to
  • 17:24
    see who you're having a meeting with
  • 17:26
    yeah if you wanted to do it
  • 17:29
    I don't believe cuz I've heard too many
  • 17:30
    but dialing episodes where you can
  • 17:32
    listen in on the phone oh I'm not gonna
  • 17:37
    allow you to pass that fake news off
  • 17:39
    again
  • 17:41
    but dials go through a different system
  • 17:43
    than through digital IP connections when
  • 17:48
    you're calling if I called you on the
  • 17:49
    phone right now it'd be a horrible
  • 17:50
    connection I call you on skype it's a
  • 17:52
    great connection but dial phones are not
  • 17:55
    comparable to any ease dropping a phone
  • 17:57
    can do you have to just stop I'm not
  • 18:01
    buying a thing you're saying people
  • 18:02
    usually have the phone in their pocket
  • 18:03
    the thing can not pick up there's not
  • 18:06
    that good okay you're embarrassing
  • 18:11
    yourself I'm not going to argue this
  • 18:14
    point again with you all right
  • 18:16
    what you are correct about is the
  • 18:18
    proximity that is the number one
  • 18:20
    tracking these things do if you're next
  • 18:23
    to someone near to someone that's when
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    you start getting each other's
  • 18:26
    recommendations that's that's a big one
  • 18:28
    that's a big thing that they do then
  • 18:32
    eavesdropping yeah
  • 18:33
    whether people believe it look kids
  • 18:35
    believe it so you don't even have to
  • 18:37
    convince him anymore even if it's not
  • 18:38
    true if you ask any kid of course it's
  • 18:41
    happening up they think that it's that I
  • 18:42
    believe it's purely proximity someone of
  • 18:45
    your friends looked at something they
  • 18:47
    all goes no you're together a lot or one
  • 18:50
    from time to time there you go you start
  • 18:52
    getting it that's the whole thing anyway
  • 18:55
    get rid of them and I'm getting a wall
  • 18:59
    way yeah okay well it's nice knowing you
  • 19:02
    the Chinese will know who I'm hanging
  • 19:05
    out with yeah don't come to our wedding
  • 19:09
    without this guy good this Cades a lot
  • 19:12
    of Chinese food we could probably turn
  • 19:15
    him today is the big Super Bowl that's a
  • 19:21
    big ol Sunday it's Super Bowl Sunday big
  • 19:24
    event here in the United States of
  • 19:25
    America it's being held in what Atlanta
  • 19:27
    right yeah Lana
  • 19:29
    so they've cleared out all the homeless
  • 19:30
    camps I think they did I know they did
  • 19:36
    hey everybody it's great you can be here
  • 19:39
    all year but now you gotta go
  • 19:42
    just swept them underneath the rug get
  • 19:44
    rid of them I think we're gonna have
  • 19:45
    it's always about the commercials of
  • 19:47
    course we love watching the Super Bowl
  • 19:48
    commercials let's see what kind of
  • 19:50
    social justice warrior stuff will pass
  • 19:52
    by today I'm sure we'll have some oh
  • 19:54
    that would be that Barbie the only
  • 19:56
    interesting stuff the rest of our just
  • 19:58
    overpriced commercials I believe I
  • 20:01
    believe that well a washington post has
  • 20:03
    taken out an ad i rezulin to five
  • 20:06
    million dollars so maybe more than one
  • 20:09
    ad and they apparently they had a copy
  • 20:12
    one ad he always really want i think
  • 20:15
    it's up to five dollars five million
  • 20:17
    dollars for one ad let me I'll look up
  • 20:19
    the price raising really high so
  • 20:22
    apparently they have hired Tom Hanks to
  • 20:24
    do a voiceover for this ad and you know
  • 20:27
    it's obviously about real news only
  • 20:29
    found in the Washington Post yeah
  • 20:32
    Washington Post only place it as news
  • 20:34
    the only place that has actual actual
  • 20:36
    news that's good news well good news and
  • 20:39
    as is traditional with the No Agenda
  • 20:41
    show when it comes to big events now
  • 20:43
    this could be a big event could be the
  • 20:45
    Super Ball is an example it could also
  • 20:47
    be it could also be the Eurovision Song
  • 20:50
    Contest or the World Cup soccer we
  • 20:52
    always like to choose the winner based
  • 20:55
    on geopolitical data points and with the
  • 21:01
    knowledge that all major sports games
  • 21:03
    are rigged the price is up slightly from
  • 21:05
    last year's 5.2 million as that's for 36
  • 21:10
    yeah I think that would be 30 seconds
  • 21:13
    what are we doing here 5.2 million
  • 21:18
    here's the weird the NBC has an actual
  • 21:21
    price I think okay it's five point two
  • 21:24
    five million this year for a 30-second
  • 21:28
    spot during the championship matchup
  • 21:31
    fantastic one hundred seventy five
  • 21:33
    thousand dollars per second nice so yeah
  • 21:37
    what are we doing here yeah well we'll
  • 21:39
    talk about that in a second because we
  • 21:40
    have options but let's talk about the
  • 21:45
    winner we have the New England Patriots
  • 21:48
    where the New England pastry pastry it's
  • 21:50
    where the pastry its base is a pastry
  • 21:52
    the pastry is where they base their
  • 21:55
    fat but where what is their hometown
  • 21:57
    Boston okay New England Patriots and
  • 22:01
    then you know playing positive they play
  • 22:04
    New England and then we have the Los
  • 22:10
    Angeles Rams yeah okay so first of all
  • 22:15
    we have the president tweeting about how
  • 22:19
    horrible the refs were even allowing the
  • 22:22
    Rams to make it into the Super Bowl so
  • 22:24
    this needs to be taken into account
  • 22:28
    crafts and the Patriots owner has said
  • 22:31
    nothing bad about the president ever as
  • 22:33
    far as I can tell they're buddies
  • 22:34
    exactly so that is another plus but I
  • 22:39
    think if you look at the hatred of the
  • 22:43
    NFL of the league and the owners against
  • 22:46
    the president and all that he stands for
  • 22:48
    and the pure power of the goat I think
  • 22:52
    the Rams are on deck to win well I think
  • 22:56
    they're on deck to win because they have
  • 22:57
    a better team they're inexperienced in
  • 23:01
    these situations and this would be
  • 23:02
    Brady's ninth Super Bowl yeah which is
  • 23:06
    it counts for a lot
  • 23:08
    oddly at 90 isn't he isn't he known as
  • 23:11
    the goat yeah he's the goat that's the
  • 23:13
    crazy part greatest of all time right
  • 23:17
    but the Rams are goats and the Rams are
  • 23:21
    their goats yes they're in a sense so
  • 23:24
    yeah no not in a sense the Rams are goat
  • 23:27
    so I think goat power goat power how can
  • 23:31
    you be against goats goat power to the
  • 23:33
    tune of Hot Pockets another suggestion
  • 23:36
    try to get from the lyricist sitting at
  • 23:38
    this end of the microphone power it's
  • 23:45
    not it's more like let me give it a shot
  • 23:47
    for you hold on let's see if I can do
  • 23:49
    this well I know you'd be so off-key
  • 23:59
    it's very hard I hear I'm here I'll take
  • 24:07
    another medal
  • 24:08
    get it from a non geopolitical person
  • 24:10
    well why bother with that we can watch
  • 24:12
    any telling any cable news show for that
  • 24:14
    but okay go ahead no I'm taking it from
  • 24:17
    a non geopolitical spectrum that's what
  • 24:19
    I'm saying you're gonna actually look at
  • 24:20
    sports if you what the point is is that
  • 24:24
    the Rams have been relocated to look
  • 24:27
    back to Los Angeles from whence they
  • 24:29
    were originated from st. Louis which was
  • 24:34
    turning into a mediocre football town
  • 24:37
    mm-hmm and they moved him to the Los
  • 24:39
    Angeles the big market one of the two
  • 24:41
    big markets New York and Los Angeles
  • 24:42
    being the two and they and blas angeles
  • 24:47
    has gone four before the Chargers moved
  • 24:50
    up there and before the Rams moved back
  • 24:53
    in three years ago the rent the loss was
  • 24:57
    without football and they were getting
  • 24:59
    they were doing just fine with their
  • 25:01
    baseball teams and with especially with
  • 25:03
    their basketball - they had two
  • 25:05
    basketball teams in Los Angeles one came
  • 25:07
    up from San Diego and they were doing
  • 25:09
    just fine in the NFL saw this as a huge
  • 25:12
    problem because this is a massive market
  • 25:15
    they had to get football back into Los
  • 25:17
    Angeles and so they got the Rams they
  • 25:20
    have to win this game it's just for the
  • 25:22
    purposes of saving the league and the
  • 25:24
    league it appears there's documentation
  • 25:27
    people are suspicious of the league
  • 25:29
    fixing these games and the reason that
  • 25:32
    that crazy play took place in New
  • 25:34
    Orleans which was not called and all yes
  • 25:37
    Trump's all upset everyone's upset
  • 25:38
    I think there's reasons that it could
  • 25:40
    have been not called but everybody
  • 25:42
    disagrees with that that was to make
  • 25:45
    sure the Rams got into the Super Bowl so
  • 25:47
    the Rams could win the Super Bowl to get
  • 25:49
    interest back in Los Angeles to a peak
  • 25:51
    if they're gonna win easily or it might
  • 25:54
    be exciting in the win at the end but
  • 25:55
    the Rams have to win this game because
  • 25:58
    that's what the NFL needs all right the
  • 26:00
    Rams have to win this game because their
  • 26:02
    goats end of that's it I'll give him
  • 26:05
    seven points on the spread good to go
  • 26:07
    goats for the goal
  • 26:09
    now let's talk about options for us I'm
  • 26:12
    sure you saw the news that Spotify
  • 26:14
    apparently is in talks to buy gimlet
  • 26:17
    media gimlet now so gimlet is this is
  • 26:21
    the former producer or creator of this
  • 26:24
    American life I believe who spun off and
  • 26:27
    created this American Life clones right
  • 26:31
    and we just went through the fact they
  • 26:33
    have a hundred people working on 38
  • 26:34
    shows they got beautiful studios in
  • 26:36
    Manhattan no wait
  • 26:38
    is it made Manhattan what scene yeah I
  • 26:41
    think it might be in Manhattan
  • 26:43
    yeah man had the high-priced so they
  • 26:45
    they just had a final round let's I want
  • 26:49
    to talk about two things one about what
  • 26:51
    Spotify is odd well starting off for any
  • 26:54
    deal when there's a buyout and it's very
  • 26:59
    shortly after I think they've had four
  • 27:02
    rounds of financing the last round
  • 27:05
    reportedly according to crunch base was
  • 27:07
    evaluation of seventy million dollars
  • 27:09
    which is not all that huge after four
  • 27:11
    rounds but they had four round so they
  • 27:14
    keep having to pump money in to have
  • 27:18
    this deal not officially announced by
  • 27:20
    anyone but sources say I think is very
  • 27:23
    bad in general you want the announcement
  • 27:27
    to be okay Spotify bought us Forex or
  • 27:31
    maybe not even mention a number to have
  • 27:33
    sources say they're in talks the number
  • 27:36
    is 200 million bad
  • 27:38
    would you agree from a business
  • 27:40
    perspective well it's now I deal it's
  • 27:46
    not ideal
  • 27:47
    I don't know that is bad it usually it
  • 27:50
    means that the deal is not gonna happen
  • 27:53
    well not in a stage where it's going to
  • 27:55
    happen so somebody leaked something or
  • 27:58
    spoke to a Chinese meal but second you
  • 28:03
    know so this is co this is great for
  • 28:05
    podcasting well maybe and I wanted to
  • 28:08
    discuss it with you briefly we have
  • 28:09
    received an offer from Spotify for the
  • 28:12
    No Agenda show we have received an offer
  • 28:14
    with numbers and it's a it's an actual
  • 28:17
    deal I've shared it with you a while
  • 28:20
    back if you recall
  • 28:22
    okay keep talking you don't remember her
  • 28:28
    well I'm under non-disclosure I cannot
  • 28:31
    discuss the details of the offer but let
  • 28:36
    me tell you that they're talking big
  • 28:38
    numbers but complete exclusivity it
  • 28:42
    right down to no feed so it would be I'm
  • 28:46
    not kidding you would only be there
  • 28:48
    which better be really big they're
  • 28:51
    actually interest will you it's in your
  • 28:52
    email from two months ago you know we've
  • 28:56
    been been quiet about it because it's
  • 28:59
    we're on I'm under non-disclosure so I
  • 29:01
    cannot discuss the elements of the deal
  • 29:03
    but if this is really what they're doing
  • 29:06
    I think they're gonna have a real hard
  • 29:08
    time real hard time making up making the
  • 29:11
    money for this you know and it all has
  • 29:13
    to be unspotted from what I understand
  • 29:16
    you know but your feed is not your feed
  • 29:18
    anymore yeah you can't just like throw
  • 29:20
    it anywhere you want
  • 29:21
    I'm sure they'll figure out a way to
  • 29:23
    have a feed that has stuff included in
  • 29:25
    it or whatever they want to do but um
  • 29:28
    that offer is being put out to a lot of
  • 29:30
    big podcasters now our problem is I have
  • 29:33
    no idea how many people how many people
  • 29:35
    listen to the show you know we'd have to
  • 29:38
    go in and quanta qualify the logs and
  • 29:41
    all that stuff
  • 29:41
    which I have no intention on doing but I
  • 29:44
    just wanted you to know I thought that
  • 29:46
    you hadn't seen this because you never
  • 29:48
    replied to me about it but yes we've we
  • 29:51
    received that offer yeah you know it's
  • 29:53
    not really a podcast anymore it's a
  • 29:55
    thing on Spotify I don't know for that
  • 29:58
    interested yeah the only thing that's
  • 30:00
    cool and I personally might be
  • 30:03
    interested in this is you can do a music
  • 30:04
    show on Spotify but hey what can we do
  • 30:09
    to get that cur to come over I know I
  • 30:13
    would never go she's a DJ never go they
  • 30:17
    didn't this was not a part of any talks
  • 30:19
    or any offer I'm just saying but that is
  • 30:21
    something that could be done now I'm
  • 30:24
    quite happy sitting where we are just
  • 30:25
    doing what we do for now
  • 30:28
    let me see the spreadsheet let me say
  • 30:30
    hmm okay well anyway I wish the gimlet
  • 30:34
    media people lots of luck and I wish the
  • 30:36
    many ads in their future you know it's
  • 30:40
    getting to be it's really I'd listen to
  • 30:41
    maybe six or seven podcasts in between
  • 30:45
    our this have last episode in this one
  • 30:47
    and it's getting a little annoying
  • 30:50
    because you have to keep pressing the
  • 30:52
    fast-forward button on the ads and yeah
  • 30:55
    Joe Rogan who had a two had I haven't
  • 30:59
    pulled enough clips from Joe Rogan had
  • 31:00
    what's-his-face from Twitter on dorcy
  • 31:05
    dorcy yeah boo - now is a member of the
  • 31:08
    Taliban you have to go through six
  • 31:11
    minutes of ads in the beginning of Rogan
  • 31:13
    I mean especially in the beginning
  • 31:15
    everyone's gonna fast-forward through
  • 31:17
    that how can that possibly be effective
  • 31:19
    me on these and you know the beats juice
  • 31:23
    and all that stuff is this how if it's
  • 31:25
    at the beginning of the show like any
  • 31:27
    even pods say I gotta I know I'm gonna
  • 31:29
    start pulling clips of people who think
  • 31:33
    they're really intelligent have really
  • 31:35
    cool podcasts such as pod save America
  • 31:37
    when these guys who are just sitting
  • 31:39
    there telling you how the inner working
  • 31:41
    from they worked in the white house
  • 31:42
    giving you the inner workings of the
  • 31:44
    white house and then have to switch and
  • 31:46
    tell you how great this insurance
  • 31:48
    product is you can hear their disdain
  • 31:50
    their hating it no aha
  • 31:53
    this is a good point I've noticed this
  • 31:56
    too these guys shapiro is one of these
  • 31:59
    guys same thing yes yes yes he rambles
  • 32:03
    this is the reason we've talked about
  • 32:04
    this off the air and we talked about Leo
  • 32:07
    Laporte yeah Leo Laporte master he's a
  • 32:12
    master he is the yes live Reid went from
  • 32:17
    radio where he had to be sincere and he
  • 32:18
    had all these reads yeah and yeah you
  • 32:21
    believe it sir when he tells you that
  • 32:23
    this product is the best ever and then
  • 32:25
    they dropped their that advertising
  • 32:28
    campaign and picking up another one for
  • 32:29
    the same type of product and now this is
  • 32:32
    the greatest thing ever and he sounds
  • 32:34
    extremely sincere cuz he knows how to do
  • 32:37
    these shapiro
  • 32:38
    he rattles through the thing like oh my
  • 32:41
    god I
  • 32:42
    yeah well you got to hear these these
  • 32:44
    smarmy douche bags from pod save America
  • 32:47
    you wrote speeches for Obama and now
  • 32:49
    they're sitting there reading you know
  • 32:51
    copy for Squarespace me I find it very
  • 32:57
    funny all right boys and in fact you
  • 33:01
    have to be this required in this is such
  • 33:06
    this extension of radio personally I've
  • 33:09
    always been against this whole thing
  • 33:11
    when you do you don't have profession
  • 33:12
    there's like maybe five guys in the
  • 33:14
    country
  • 33:15
    I mean Limbaugh can do a good read
  • 33:17
    mmm-hmm that can do these that can
  • 33:19
    actually sell you something on with
  • 33:22
    their manner of selling you by doing a
  • 33:25
    read of an ad copy piece of paper listen
  • 33:29
    in front of him right just very few of
  • 33:31
    them I think the ad should be produced
  • 33:35
    you don't see anybody on television
  • 33:38
    stopping the show I mean like they did
  • 33:40
    in the 1950s and go on and on and on
  • 33:42
    about something tied hammam but it's
  • 33:45
    podcasting we have much more engagement
  • 33:47
    with the with of listeners I think it's
  • 33:50
    myth yeah I think it's a myth - when I
  • 33:52
    hear Shapiro going oh my god I you just
  • 33:56
    hear it in his voice he doesn't like
  • 33:57
    these guys he doesn't like the product
  • 33:59
    isn't like doing this read yeah give him
  • 34:02
    a pre-programmed ad to run to play
  • 34:05
    anyway I can tell you that when we do a
  • 34:07
    donation segment about 15% drop off and
  • 34:10
    come right back up after we're done and
  • 34:12
    that's I think that's a good good
  • 34:16
    drop-off it's you know minimal yeah it's
  • 34:19
    very minimal it comes back and people I
  • 34:22
    think have realized that there is also
  • 34:24
    content in that in that segment yes sir
  • 34:29
    because we're not promoting a product
  • 34:31
    that somebody says here promote this
  • 34:33
    we're promoting our producers and
  • 34:35
    whatever thoughts we have during this
  • 34:37
    segment now I've been looking at Fox
  • 34:40
    News and CNBC specifically I believe
  • 34:44
    they are in they are pre-sold in a big
  • 34:47
    scheme to sell
  • 34:51
    any Altria vaporized product those who
  • 34:56
    don't know Altria used to be known as
  • 35:00
    r.j. Reynolds and Fillmore Morris and I
  • 35:05
    think there was one other company that
  • 35:07
    all rolled up into this Altria or they
  • 35:09
    rebranded and this is the guys who bring
  • 35:11
    you in the Marlboro Man so this is the
  • 35:13
    this is the cigarette to Big Tobacco
  • 35:15
    let's call them Big Tobacco the nice
  • 35:17
    name Altria they saw the writing on the
  • 35:20
    wall and they purchased jewel for
  • 35:23
    thirteen billion dollars which was
  • 35:25
    largely cash thirteen billion dollars
  • 35:28
    and that's a vape product and I've been
  • 35:30
    watching these ads and I've been waiting
  • 35:32
    for them to make their move and finally
  • 35:35
    they've figured out with a new study no
  • 35:37
    less what we need to do and what's going
  • 35:40
    to happen so they have announced they
  • 35:43
    will be doing self-critical ads in the
  • 35:45
    United States but also jewel has a new
  • 35:49
    television campaign which fits right
  • 35:51
    along with the study that just came out
  • 35:53
    a year long study on the use of
  • 35:54
    e-cigarettes turns up some surprisingly
  • 35:56
    positive results of John Kerry with the
  • 36:00
    story we always mind we've had just bad
  • 36:02
    story after bad story and all of a
  • 36:04
    sudden cold but it's good news here
  • 36:06
    Jonathan what's behind the study
  • 36:08
    certainly good news for a cigarette
  • 36:10
    users a team of British researchers has
  • 36:13
    determined that e-cigarettes are
  • 36:15
    actually more effective in helping
  • 36:18
    people quit smoking traditional nicotine
  • 36:21
    therapies such as those that you wear or
  • 36:23
    gum that you chew how do they arrive at
  • 36:26
    this will they followed more than 800
  • 36:28
    smokers over the course of a year what
  • 36:30
    they found is nine point nine percent of
  • 36:32
    the group receiving traditional nicotine
  • 36:34
    replacement were able to abstain from
  • 36:36
    smoking during that year long period
  • 36:38
    however the success rate was almost
  • 36:40
    twice as high eighteen percent for the
  • 36:43
    group using e-cigarettes this new study
  • 36:46
    published in the New England Journal of
  • 36:47
    Medicine is likely to bolster the
  • 36:49
    e-cigarette industry which has been
  • 36:50
    trying to market its products as a safer
  • 36:53
    alternative for adults who already smoke
  • 36:55
    but want to quit however many public
  • 36:57
    health officials say they're concerned
  • 36:59
    east cigarettes may provide a gateway to
  • 37:02
    traditional tobacco use among teens
  • 37:04
    because they're marketed and all sorts
  • 37:06
    of different enticing flavors
  • 37:08
    although e-cigarettes lack the
  • 37:10
    carcinogens that you inhale while
  • 37:13
    smoking traditional cigarettes critics
  • 37:16
    point out that they contain nicotine
  • 37:18
    which is highly addictive yes so from
  • 37:21
    now on they should be referred to as big
  • 37:22
    Nick big Nick that's what they are big
  • 37:27
    Nick now they're all in this hey yes
  • 37:29
    it's right out of the Bernays playbook
  • 37:32
    from the nineteen literally when they
  • 37:34
    when he wanted women to smoke yeah tell
  • 37:37
    the story it's a bogus story planted you
  • 37:43
    pay somebody to you know you can do this
  • 37:45
    with most universities that have any
  • 37:47
    research capabilities whatsoever
  • 37:49
    if you it's only it couldn't cost you
  • 37:52
    ten grand maybe might not even cost you
  • 37:54
    that much you can go to some of the
  • 37:56
    professor's leading different
  • 37:58
    departments and say hey I need to do
  • 38:00
    this I want to find out whether this
  • 38:02
    does that or not and I'll pay for the
  • 38:05
    study and they put the students to work
  • 38:06
    and they'll do a study it'll be
  • 38:07
    authentic it'll be the rights they're
  • 38:09
    the right stats to do it right and you
  • 38:12
    get it UC Davis so you can go up there
  • 38:14
    and have them do something on wine how
  • 38:16
    much is you know how much sulfites our
  • 38:18
    button did the average bottle of wine
  • 38:19
    you can have them study then you can put
  • 38:21
    a report out and it's official and you
  • 38:23
    can do this with an marketing guys know
  • 38:26
    this and they go out and they they come
  • 38:28
    up with an idea and you you if you put
  • 38:31
    this if you put the research study
  • 38:33
    together properly where you almost guide
  • 38:36
    it by what you're looking for I'm
  • 38:38
    looking for this see if you can prove
  • 38:40
    this and then they go out and prove it
  • 38:43
    and they give you the report back now
  • 38:45
    it's yours to distribute or what depends
  • 38:47
    on how the deal was arranged right and
  • 38:49
    you could roll it out and if you sent it
  • 38:51
    with press release you know Oh press
  • 38:53
    release goes out wasn't a press release
  • 38:55
    was it not that's separate from the
  • 38:56
    advertising was it not Bernays who
  • 38:58
    wanted to promote the smoking of
  • 39:00
    cigarettes by women and he had wasn't it
  • 39:03
    like some as if they were suffragettes
  • 39:06
    on in a parade walking up Fifth Avenue
  • 39:08
    smoking in public that was that was a it
  • 39:11
    was a fantastic campaign and he got I
  • 39:13
    mean from that became we got Virginia's
  • 39:16
    limbs and a whole new whole branding
  • 39:18
    he's the one who developed the ideas of
  • 39:22
    influencers brand influencers he was
  • 39:26
    ahead of his Instagram time and so Brent
  • 39:30
    you notice in other words you get some
  • 39:31
    famous person Cary Grant you know
  • 39:33
    somebody's very famous everybody likes
  • 39:35
    and they all admire cuz he's a big set
  • 39:37
    actor and you have him smoking you get
  • 39:40
    people you know I like the way he looks
  • 39:42
    smoking I think I do that most people
  • 39:45
    just look at you know they have their
  • 39:46
    their influencers and they look at him
  • 39:48
    as role models it's called a role model
  • 39:50
    that's where he was all bent out of
  • 39:52
    shape when somebody's supposed to be a
  • 39:53
    role model doesn't want to be one he's
  • 39:55
    just a punk and they just condemned him
  • 39:58
    until he becomes a role model cuz he's
  • 39:59
    got too much power to be just some punk
  • 40:01
    he's gonna have a bad influence on the
  • 40:03
    kids and so this is all part of the
  • 40:05
    scheme sure I love it
  • 40:08
    I'm also I'm all my faith in you know
  • 40:11
    I'm a big proponent just like I was I
  • 40:13
    saw the talking tubes coming down
  • 40:15
    Broadway I saw this vaping coming down
  • 40:17
    Broadway and now we'll have limited
  • 40:20
    choice and it was fun while it lasted in
  • 40:23
    our little cottage industry of making a
  • 40:25
    liquids I'm sure we all still get some
  • 40:28
    illegally someone made up in the bathtub
  • 40:30
    but big Nick is here to stay and I
  • 40:33
    expect them to do a lot of a lot of ads
  • 40:36
    denouncing their previous product which
  • 40:38
    let's face it the cigarette was just the
  • 40:41
    administration vehicle it's always been
  • 40:43
    about the nicotine yeah and so now you
  • 40:45
    know it's it's everybody wins
  • 40:48
    your clients can't you win and there's
  • 40:51
    money your clients don't die as fast
  • 40:53
    from your product so it's good I think
  • 40:56
    this is a very good development but Fox
  • 40:59
    News CNBC they've been on and from I
  • 41:01
    think from the get-go saving all of oh
  • 41:04
    yeah finally we have the study now now
  • 41:07
    it's great
  • 41:10
    big Nick my friend big Nick I remember
  • 41:16
    the time I was listening to Michael
  • 41:18
    Savage who was getting all worked up
  • 41:21
    bent out of shape which is the best part
  • 41:23
    when he showed his shows always best
  • 41:24
    when he's like completely freaked and
  • 41:27
    he's bitching about some guys that came
  • 41:29
    out of his office and they had this this
  • 41:30
    advertising vehicle they wanted to put
  • 41:33
    together and they had a term for it he
  • 41:35
    was moaning and groaning seen ever do
  • 41:36
    this in a million years and it had to do
  • 41:39
    with you have to they're gonna give you
  • 41:40
    all this money to have this one expert
  • 41:42
    has to come on once a week to talk a
  • 41:45
    little bit about something that they're
  • 41:47
    promoting and then this X and then you
  • 41:48
    have to talk about it favorably and all
  • 41:51
    the rest of it and you could use just a
  • 41:53
    very complex one of those complex
  • 41:54
    advertising deals which a lot of
  • 41:56
    high-end advertising sales people put
  • 41:58
    together right and says he refuses to do
  • 42:01
    any throw him out so be mean why he goes
  • 42:03
    to commercialize flipped the channel to
  • 42:05
    the hannity show which was on at the
  • 42:06
    same time he's actually doing it guys is
  • 42:19
    corruption
  • 42:19
    yeah well we can always go to spotify we
  • 42:25
    always talk about we often talk about
  • 42:27
    how things that are clearly been proven
  • 42:30
    demonstrably false and admitted so
  • 42:32
    remain true links a guy has true in the
  • 42:38
    lexicon of what m5m has created for all
  • 42:42
    of us and something that is cropping
  • 42:44
    back up and i think it has to do with a
  • 42:46
    lot of different circumstances but mike
  • 42:49
    pence the big homophobe this is the this
  • 42:52
    is coming back oh mike pence
  • 42:54
    big homophobe conversion therapy now we
  • 42:57
    went through all of this and I actually
  • 42:59
    had to go back into into the archives
  • 43:01
    being at dot IO if you want to do some
  • 43:03
    research and this was about it really
  • 43:09
    was 1414 words Mike Pence uttered I
  • 43:12
    believe and from that moment on he
  • 43:14
    became a guy who wants conversion
  • 43:18
    therapy for the gays hates the gays
  • 43:22
    is against the gays so I shall debunk
  • 43:28
    first and then show you what happened
  • 43:30
    has it's coming back and how it always
  • 43:31
    stays it remains to be false in the
  • 43:35
    lexicon mike pants it so yeah there was
  • 43:39
    I think wasn't a bill and or an opinion
  • 43:44
    on a bill and it was about money to go
  • 43:46
    towards an anti HIV program helping gay
  • 43:53
    men reduce high-risk sexual activity and
  • 43:57
    so he wanted to take away money from one
  • 44:01
    aids program and int and put it into
  • 44:05
    this other one and the way he described
  • 44:07
    it was he said he wanted to I don't like
  • 44:15
    him this debate today is not about
  • 44:18
    discrimination I believe that if someone
  • 44:21
    chooses another lifestyle than I have
  • 44:23
    chosen that is their right in a free
  • 44:25
    society which you know has been turned
  • 44:28
    into this I hate the gays and yes and he
  • 44:34
    said I'm trying to find this here it is
  • 44:39
    he was advocating for public spending on
  • 44:42
    conversion therapy in Indiana but what
  • 44:44
    he actually said is if someone wants you
  • 44:48
    wants to change their sexual activity to
  • 44:52
    reduce their risk which is not the same
  • 44:55
    as saying we're going to engage like hey
  • 44:58
    maybe you should change your sexual you
  • 45:00
    maybe your promiscuity and use more
  • 45:03
    protection so you don't always have a
  • 45:06
    lower risk of contracting aids but that
  • 45:09
    somehow turned into and it's all its I
  • 45:11
    put it all back in the show notes it's
  • 45:13
    totally she's ever mentioned conversion
  • 45:15
    therapy the word conversion therapies
  • 45:17
    never come into it it was it was
  • 45:20
    literally him saying I think this money
  • 45:22
    is better spent in helping people choose
  • 45:24
    a less promiscuous lifestyle if when it
  • 45:28
    comes to AIDS HIV and AIDS
  • 45:30
    but here's how it was portrayed by Ellen
  • 45:33
    Page actress PewDiePie she's from does
  • 45:36
    she x-man I think she's in that she's
  • 45:38
    Canadian she's not American so anyway
  • 45:42
    but she brought down the house on the
  • 45:45
    Colbert show by propagating this lie
  • 45:48
    unchallenged and it was set up and ready
  • 45:50
    to go because when she talks about her
  • 45:52
    wife she's married Colbert had a picture
  • 45:57
    of them ready to go of the two of them
  • 45:59
    and you know their wedding picture which
  • 46:00
    he had on a printed board so this was a
  • 46:02
    set up thing and I'm sorry is just a lie
  • 46:11
    president and the vice president Mike
  • 46:14
    Pence who like wishes I couldn't be
  • 46:15
    married let's just be clear now for sure
  • 46:19
    Mike Pence is against any kind of
  • 46:22
    marriage other than between a man and a
  • 46:24
    woman which is his religious feeling his
  • 46:27
    vibe and that's his belief the no no
  • 46:29
    argument there
  • 46:30
    the vice president of America wishes I
  • 46:32
    didn't have the love with my wife he
  • 46:35
    wanted to ban that in Indiana and no she
  • 46:37
    said he didn't want me to have the love
  • 46:40
    yeah the vice president of America
  • 46:45
    wishes I didn't have the love with my
  • 46:48
    wife
  • 46:48
    he wanted to ban that in Indiana he
  • 46:53
    believes in conversion therapy wow that
  • 46:58
    was like British Parliament almost
  • 47:00
    wasn't it laughs applause oh he wanted
  • 47:12
    to ban that in Indiana he believes in
  • 47:16
    conversion therapy
  • 47:20
    he has hurt LGBTQ people so badly as the
  • 47:23
    government of Indiana and I think as the
  • 47:25
    he's the government of Indiana he's not
  • 47:27
    the governor of the government yeah
  • 47:29
    and he's hurt the thing we need to know
  • 47:31
    and I hope my show gay keishon did this
  • 47:33
    in terms of connecting the dots in terms
  • 47:35
    of what happened the other day - Jesse I
  • 47:37
    don't know him personally I saw lice and
  • 47:39
    all over my love this is the Empire
  • 47:42
    actor who allegedly was assaulted by
  • 47:45
    racist in sub-zero weather but I don't
  • 47:48
    did they call him gay did they say
  • 47:50
    something about his gayness or it was
  • 47:52
    just because I know that he was gay yeah
  • 47:56
    well this is what she's saying it was
  • 47:58
    because of the guy I think he's pretty
  • 48:01
    out but the story true or not was about
  • 48:07
    Magga hats and racism and now it's about
  • 48:09
    gayness what happened the other day to
  • 48:11
    just say I don't know him personally I
  • 48:12
    saw bison all over my love connect the
  • 48:16
    dots
  • 48:17
    this is what happens if you are in a
  • 48:20
    position of power and you hate people
  • 48:22
    and you want to cause suffering to them
  • 48:25
    you go through the trouble you spend
  • 48:28
    your career trying to cause suffering
  • 48:30
    what do you think is gonna happen kids
  • 48:34
    are gonna be abused and they're gonna
  • 48:35
    kill themselves and people are gonna be
  • 48:38
    beaten on the street I have traveled the
  • 48:40
    world and I have met the most
  • 48:42
    marginalized people you could be I am
  • 48:44
    lucky to have this time and the
  • 48:46
    privilege to say this this needs to stop
  • 48:54
    [Applause]
  • 48:57
    and of course this went completely
  • 48:59
    unchallenged by Stephen Colbert
  • 49:04
    yours you know and it's okay I mean look
  • 49:08
    I have I'm not even gonna say that's not
  • 49:11
    the point
  • 49:12
    this is a lie and it's just I mean what
  • 49:17
    what did what are they what is going on
  • 49:19
    go back to Canada go back to Canada and
  • 49:24
    to hell you know it it you know Mike I
  • 49:28
    saw him do a speech the other day the
  • 49:30
    guy is creepy is a F he's very creepy
  • 49:33
    he's creepy when he reads is creepy when
  • 49:36
    he looks when yet when he looks at the
  • 49:37
    prompter he looks to the side instead of
  • 49:39
    pretending to look straight at somebody
  • 49:41
    his eyes shift over someone's got to
  • 49:42
    call him on that didn't need to adjust
  • 49:45
    that behavior no it kind of looks in the
  • 49:53
    middle and then still you can see his
  • 49:55
    eyes shit that's not good Octus and and
  • 49:58
    he comes across as generally you know a
  • 50:00
    bit creepy no doubt about it but to say
  • 50:03
    that he is that he has spent his life
  • 50:05
    hating gay people and trying to ruin
  • 50:08
    them and he believes in conversion
  • 50:10
    therapy this is just not true I don't
  • 50:13
    know I don't know it's these things that
  • 50:16
    just their shameful it is shameful and
  • 50:19
    then and and you know what dear that
  • 50:22
    there was a five women were murdered in
  • 50:26
    a bank this week no you didn't know that
  • 50:31
    no I didn't actually
  • 50:33
    yeah the guy walks in kills five women
  • 50:35
    well I think it just happens to be five
  • 50:37
    women shoots up the place five women
  • 50:39
    died yet not a blip because we're
  • 50:41
    talking about Roger stone we're talking
  • 50:43
    about anything you know that how can
  • 50:47
    that be more important than the the gun
  • 50:49
    conversation that we're always having
  • 50:50
    that for some reason is not but then you
  • 50:55
    have just to you know to show what
  • 50:57
    happens is CNN the most important thing
  • 50:59
    they can talk about to this day is not
  • 51:01
    actual things that matter in Paris and
  • 51:04
    the rest of Europe the yellow vests the
  • 51:06
    Venezuela that even if even China even
  • 51:11
    Russia no we have to have a two minute
  • 51:13
    hand over and talk about is it okay to
  • 51:16
    wear a red maggot
  • 51:18
    or not right so you have the legality
  • 51:22
    this is Chris Cuomo handing over to Don
  • 51:25
    Lemon and then right you're the attorney
  • 51:28
    you can refuse service you know no shirt
  • 51:30
    no shoes no this is I think it's the san
  • 51:32
    francisco restaurateur who said you're
  • 51:34
    not allowed in my restaurant wearing a
  • 51:36
    maggot hat which by the way i don't
  • 51:38
    think you should be allowed in anyone's
  • 51:39
    restaurant with a hat at all unless
  • 51:40
    you're a fast-food restaurants i don't
  • 51:42
    know what kind of restaurant it was but
  • 51:44
    you know it's just okay but if you're
  • 51:46
    wearing this hat you're not a lot
  • 51:47
    nervous now you'd have a counter First
  • 51:49
    Amendment argument you're chilling my
  • 51:50
    rights to private place well then how is
  • 51:53
    this any different than the Baker with
  • 51:54
    the cake well that was about refusing
  • 51:56
    service to a group of people that should
  • 51:58
    be a protected class and unless you
  • 52:00
    could argue that Trump supporters should
  • 52:01
    be a protected class I don't think you
  • 52:03
    have much of an argument on that and
  • 52:04
    John lemon obviously has a lot of
  • 52:06
    privilege in this in this conversation
  • 52:08
    because he's black and gay so he is the
  • 52:11
    he has privilege to speak his mind and
  • 52:13
    be correct so let's say this isn't so
  • 52:16
    much about whether he has the right it's
  • 52:18
    about whether or not it is right and
  • 52:21
    here's my problem on this issue
  • 52:22
    ordinarily I'd go down the line look be
  • 52:25
    bigger than that but I don't want to
  • 52:28
    fall into the trap of underselling the
  • 52:30
    significance of the trigger of the
  • 52:32
    expression to people I think the more
  • 52:35
    appropriate analogy to say is if people
  • 52:37
    were wearing shirts and that said I hate
  • 52:39
    black people would he be okay to say
  • 52:42
    don't come into my place with that and I
  • 52:43
    think most people be like yeah if that's
  • 52:45
    how people like him see the mag ahead so
  • 52:49
    does that make it okay I think that's
  • 52:51
    the right word
  • 52:52
    well the thing is should you but just
  • 52:55
    because you yes that but just because
  • 52:58
    you have the right does it mean that you
  • 53:00
    should does it mean that it's absolutely
  • 53:02
    should you be aware again your clothes
  • 53:05
    your clothing tells a story about who
  • 53:08
    you are what you think about and what
  • 53:11
    you represent right and also you life is
  • 53:13
    not in a vacuum that hat means a lot of
  • 53:16
    things if you're gonna if you're gonna
  • 53:17
    wear that hat that hat means everything
  • 53:19
    from I would say the beginning of the
  • 53:22
    campaign maybe even before maybe that
  • 53:23
    hat means the Central Park five two
  • 53:25
    people maybe it means birtherism two
  • 53:27
    people maybe it means you know Mexicans
  • 53:29
    are rapists or people
  • 53:31
    and so you cannot erase those things
  • 53:34
    from the story of that hat and say well
  • 53:37
    I'm just wearing it because I want
  • 53:39
    stronger immigration well a lot of
  • 53:41
    people want stronger immigration it just
  • 53:43
    can't be about what you want it to be
  • 53:44
    about there are symbols and things in
  • 53:46
    the society that you have to take as a
  • 53:48
    whole my point is this is not news
  • 53:52
    this is unhealthy to consume it's
  • 53:57
    nothing to do with news actual news
  • 53:58
    taking place all around us it was doing
  • 54:01
    the job as you could tell when he talked
  • 54:04
    about the wearing the t-shirts as I hate
  • 54:05
    black people association we've been
  • 54:08
    tearing this on and on associating the
  • 54:10
    Hat it was all sorts of things to make
  • 54:13
    to lock down the association that the
  • 54:16
    Hat is bad no and we have seen this in
  • 54:19
    this case it was to associate the Hat
  • 54:21
    with wearing a shirt that says I hate
  • 54:23
    black people and I had obviously means
  • 54:26
    that yes it's just getting annoying and
  • 54:29
    that CNN is just just can't stop doing
  • 54:31
    it that's all they seem to do it's it's
  • 54:35
    it's just it's tiring it's very tiring I
  • 54:41
    I did have a tweet I didn't print it out
  • 54:44
    here but for CNN they on their news site
  • 54:47
    they have this this assertion it could
  • 54:51
    have been a hoax I saw this I know
  • 54:54
    exactly what you're gonna say it could
  • 54:55
    be a hoax but I don't think no I know I
  • 54:58
    saw the article it's in the show notes
  • 55:00
    the they have that article on cnn.com it
  • 55:04
    does the argument asserts that when the
  • 55:08
    Europeans came to North America and had
  • 55:13
    it killed all the Indians let's say just
  • 55:15
    to generalize they didn't but they
  • 55:17
    otherwise wouldn't be any left but they
  • 55:19
    kill all these Indians it was the it was
  • 55:22
    the genesis of climate change because
  • 55:25
    they weren't farming the land anymore
  • 55:28
    and so there was so much vegetation they
  • 55:30
    grew that we had no what what is their
  • 55:35
    assertion that doesn't make any sense no
  • 55:38
    well I'm gonna stop right there it
  • 55:39
    doesn't make any sense it had some
  • 55:42
    it had something to do okay I have the
  • 55:44
    article here let's take a look at it
  • 55:47
    European colonizers killed so many
  • 55:49
    Native Americans that had changed the
  • 55:52
    global climate researchers say hmm
  • 55:55
    that's where that's what the the claim
  • 55:57
    is so when Europeans arrived in the
  • 55:59
    Americas they caused so much death and
  • 56:01
    disease disease that it changed the
  • 56:03
    global climate a new study finds a new
  • 56:06
    study yea from science talked about how
  • 56:09
    those are done yes
  • 56:12
    European settlers killed 56 million
  • 56:14
    indigenous people over about 100 years
  • 56:17
    in South Central North America causing
  • 56:20
    large swathes of farmland to be
  • 56:23
    abandoned and reforested researchers at
  • 56:26
    University College London or UCL
  • 56:29
    estimate the increase in trees and
  • 56:32
    vegetation across an area the size of
  • 56:34
    France resulted in a massive decrease in
  • 56:37
    carbon dioxide in the atmosphere how can
  • 56:41
    that be bad carbon levels changed enough
  • 56:45
    to cool the earth okay by 1610 ok so
  • 56:50
    there do want to reach around reverse
  • 56:53
    trying to do is there's a bunch of the
  • 56:56
    try Amelie I see in the historical
  • 56:58
    record about global warming it doesn't
  • 57:00
    seem to be Caesar you have more to do
  • 57:02
    with the Sun than anything else and so
  • 57:04
    they're trying to shoehorn theories way
  • 57:08
    to why this might be and this is a
  • 57:10
    shoehorn theory so by this so to combat
  • 57:13
    climate change but I'm sorry to combat
  • 57:16
    global warming we can change the climate
  • 57:19
    by colonizing hello China
  • 57:25
    let's colonize it'll be great
  • 57:29
    I learned from NPR besides the fact that
  • 57:33
    weather and climate are two separate
  • 57:36
    things do you know who created the term
  • 57:38
    climate change oh I should know this and
  • 57:42
    I am now I feel like I'm in mud I'm
  • 57:45
    going you know what I'm I'm I'm gonna
  • 57:47
    let you sweat it out and we'll listen to
  • 57:48
    the report
  • 57:49
    well media organization by the way the
  • 57:51
    guy who was talking about climate and
  • 57:53
    not not the host
  • 57:55
    is NPR's media guy so he's not the
  • 57:58
    climate climate researcher he's giving
  • 58:01
    his opinion and his analysis of how the
  • 58:03
    media are handling climate change
  • 58:06
    climate change issues climate change
  • 58:09
    deniers and in fact the history of the
  • 58:11
    term itself well media organizations
  • 58:13
    including NPR have pointed out the
  • 58:15
    connection between the polar vortex in
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    the Midwest and climate change I noticed
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    on a network news show which are often
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    criticized for not making that
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    connection to climate change David how
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    have news organizations evolved in I'm
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    sorry that was a shitty Eddie I took out
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    a whole piece of something unimportant
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    so I'm sorry about that well you stopped
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    it yeah this was part of the movement
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    this isn't with Al Gore when he chewed
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    out Judy for even suggesting that they
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    have a counterpoint yeah on climate
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    change and this is part of the that
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    there was a big stink we had it on the
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    show we discussed it about how any time
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    any weather anomaly is reported climate
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    change should be brought into this came
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    from layer by the way the Lear fund
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    most likely they have to mention climate
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    she's now he's condemning a network news
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    report that apparently just talked about
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    the weather yes without yes without
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    making a connection to climate change
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    this is a faux pas I guess well and and
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    actually I have two clips or will
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    continue this recall that first it was
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    hey climates or weather's not climate
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    but then it turned into extreme weather
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    events now that is because of climate
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    and the biggest problem they had was
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    with the local weather forecasters and
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    of course we had the the founder of the
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    Weather Channel who passed away recently
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    who to his death remained saying this is
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    the biggest hoax ever so we pick it up
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    again with with this David guys for not
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    making that connection to climate change
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    David how have news organizations
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    evolved in connecting these extreme
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    weather stories to the overall trend of
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    climate change this is CBS this morning
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    you're no fools in acknowledging that
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    role you've seen their sort of
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    increasing efforts by scientists and
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    some journalists with specialty in the
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    area to an
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    incorporate that as the science seems to
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    be clearer about not just the fact that
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    the that man-made emissions to carbon
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    and the warming of the environment are
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    present having an effect but that you
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    can start to make connection to
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    individual events and so you're starting
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    to sear that that is a change you used
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    to see particularly a meteorologists on
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    TVs especially local but also national
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    TV really resist talking about climate
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    they're gonna saying we're talking about
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    weather climate is global climate is is
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    a whole different layer there it's too
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    unpredictable heck we have trouble
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    predicting more than 10 days out and
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    what you've seen is sort of a joining of
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    meteorology and climate science to say
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    yeah these things are interconnected in
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    a real way and therefore you can start
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    to see this in all kinds of coverage
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    from local TV to you know national
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    newspapers and then there is Brian
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    Kilmeade here on Fox & Friends on Fox
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    News listener you know it was true that
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    the climate change became climate change
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    when global warming wasn't adding up to
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    global warming it was getting very cold
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    and then people say with though the
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    temperature went up a couple of degrees
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    ago we'll change it we're start using
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    climate change so anytime there's a
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    tornado a typhoon a flood what did I
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    tell you and then their head starts the
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    debate David what about that have we got
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    past that where where we can recognize
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    that global warming is the overall trend
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    even if it means severe winter storms
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    what climate change really means is
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    there's global warming and the the
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    atmosphere is warming and all kinds of
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    other things are warming then at the
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    same time it's calling all all kinds of
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    weather disruption and you know spikes
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    in variables in all directions you know
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    the real thing is in some ways the
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    climate change became very much part of
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    the political that vernacular in the
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    1990s in part as a result of Newt
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    Gingrich the the Congress that came to
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    power in 1995 in opposition the Clinton
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    White House wanted to call it something
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    that seemed less threatening than global
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    warming and they they focus group tested
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    the phrase climate change and it seemed
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    less threatening to people at a time
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    they're trying to hold down certain
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    kinds of regulation I didn't know this
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    you telling me the Republicans under
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    Speaker Newt Gingrich came up with this
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    they focused test it on a focus groups
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    and this is what they can and now we're
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    left with this
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    thanks to them Wow I didn't either I
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    don't know if this is true but it's it
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    sounds very believable she's still alive
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    II verify it
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    yeah but like Wow way to go
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    good work noot so what is the media's
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    responsibility in all of this we'll just
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    finish out the segment since we've got
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    it so what are the media to do when
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    President Trump tweets out you know
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    global warming come back fast we need
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    you
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    is it the media's responsibility to then
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    do a whole fact-checking session about
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    that well let me ask you
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    jean-claude is it the media's
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    responsibility to what I do fact check
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    and do a whole is what are you just said
  • 1:03:04
    a sarcastic remark how do you even fact
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    check something like that or do they
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    just let it go either said it or he
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    didn't there's your fact check did he
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    say it yes okay fact check is true fact
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    check false the media's responsibility
  • 1:03:18
    to then do a whole fact-checking session
  • 1:03:20
    about that or do they just let it go you
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    know I don't think the media has to in
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    every element go after the individual
  • 1:03:29
    tweet I do think it's it's not fair simp
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    to read he's got to really to say you
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    know the president without any evidence
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    says you know we there's no such thing
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    as global warming I think that the the
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    media and reporters and journalists need
  • 1:03:41
    to perform a civic and educational
  • 1:03:43
    function of the public to say this is
  • 1:03:44
    what the science shows and incorporate
  • 1:03:46
    that into its mentality you're modeling
  • 1:03:48
    just crap stay where they have simply
  • 1:03:51
    just hive that off into fact-checking
  • 1:03:52
    columns as useful as those can be for
  • 1:03:55
    enduring correctives online I think that
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    the media has to be front and center and
  • 1:03:58
    confident about reporting what it knows
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    make sure to contextualize it making
  • 1:04:02
    sure not to overstate what science says
  • 1:04:04
    but to say you know it isn't appears
  • 1:04:07
    increasingly certain that such severe
  • 1:04:09
    weather spikes of winter chill or of
  • 1:04:13
    summer heat appear to be increasingly
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    likely as our more tornadoes and
  • 1:04:17
    hurricanes and like as a result of of
  • 1:04:18
    climate change which of course we have
  • 1:04:21
    really had for 15 years but I think
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    that's that's journalistically valid and
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    important thing will do for the public
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    so they can make choices that affect
  • 1:04:28
    their own lives okay so now we get into
  • 1:04:31
    my favorite topic is you know how many
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    people don't believe it in the
  • 1:04:34
    scientific community
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    and how many of those voices do you
  • 1:04:37
    allow to speak in your public air for
  • 1:04:39
    airwaves we produced this show in
  • 1:04:41
    association with the BBC World Service
  • 1:04:43
    and the BBC told staff last year not to
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    include outright deniers of climate
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    change in BBC coverage in the same way
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    you would not have someone denying that
  • 1:04:52
    Manchester United won two to nothing
  • 1:04:54
    last Saturday yep how common is that in
  • 1:04:58
    terms don't you love that analogy as
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    fantastic right now to send out a
  • 1:05:02
    message from the top saying it was a
  • 1:05:03
    false analogy no the guy says it's a
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    false analogy she doesn't eat changing
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    BBC coverage in the same way you would
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    not have someone denying that Manchester
  • 1:05:17
    United won two to nothing last Saturday
  • 1:05:20
    yep how common is that in newsrooms
  • 1:05:22
    right now to send out a message from the
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    top saying here's how we're gonna do it
  • 1:05:25
    well in some ways the bead well one of
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    the world's great news organisations is
  • 1:05:28
    a little late to the party it's been a
  • 1:05:30
    few years since even cable channels in
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    this country by and large have been
  • 1:05:34
    willing to put on climate change denial
  • 1:05:37
    lists shall we say people who reject the
  • 1:05:39
    science just on the basis of what's
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    convenient for them ideologically oh how
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    about actual scientists who reject it
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    but that's okay and the BBC which has a
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    you know statutory mandate of
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    even-handedness was overcompensating
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    that is you know if one and a half
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    percent of scientists or so believes
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    that you right now it's one and a half
  • 1:05:57
    what happened in 97% so he went war you
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    know this is a mistake they keep making
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    well it's I know why they're doing it I
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    late again for them ideologically and
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    the BBC which has a you know statutory
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    mandate of even-handedness was
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    overcompensating that is you know if one
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    and a half percent of scientists or so
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    believes that the you can't really
  • 1:06:22
    attribute climate change to man-made
  • 1:06:24
    emissions or the like it's not fair to
  • 1:06:26
    balance that out one on one with
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    somebody who believes that is the case
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    even that represents 98 percent of
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    scientists and you personally he's
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    missing a half percent here there but it
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    used to be 97 now it's 98 and a half or
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    maybe it's 98 thought that and things in
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    but yeah I was originally 97% of climate
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    scientists who already wrote reports on
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    it which is what's been overlooked
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    because then it became 90% of
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    scientists know 90% of climb climate
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    scientists then 90% of all scientists
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    and then just that was then it was just
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    like uh this can't really attribute
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    climate change to man-made emissions or
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    the like it's not fair to balance that
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    out one on one with somebody who
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    believes that is the case he was that
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    represents ninety percent of scientists
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    and you thought that and things in
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    Britain over the questions debate about
  • 1:07:16
    the economic effects of brzeska that
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    you've seen it in this country on
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    certain things we've had to work out the
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    fact that this oppositional debate in
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    which we staged a lot of our journalism
  • 1:07:24
    through a argumentation doesn't work
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    when the science is so clearly on one
  • 1:07:28
    side
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    surely not on one side know what's gonna
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    play Cindy this is just to dis is de
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    ration now they need to get this number
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    up to a hundred percent or close to it
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    so they can keep people off the air from
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    making the opposite argument
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    unfortunately can't keep them off line
  • 1:07:47
    there's a lot of people that have
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    websites and they haven't be able to
  • 1:07:51
    shut them down that have very good
  • 1:07:54
    arguments as to why this is a bunch of
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    bullcrap but and they're scientists some
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    many high-end scientists and some very
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    famous physicists some I'm sorry some
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    Nobel Prize winning people we all know
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    the director from our own scientists dr.
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    Kiki shut up already
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    quiet and with that I'm not gonna hoot
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    quiet I'd like to thank you for your
  • 1:08:20
    courage and say in the morning to the
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    man who put the sea and climate change
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    John C well in the morning you mr. Adam
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    curry also in the morn you all ships to
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    see boots on the ground feet in the air
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    subs in the water and the Dame is a
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    nights out there in the morning to our
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    trolls in our troll room that's no
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    agenda stream comm is where they
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    congregate every Thursday and Sunday
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    morning and listen to the show chat
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    one-liners and often help very much with
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    the production of this show it is
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    appreciated in such-and-such no attend
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    morning to Uncle cave bear he brought us
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    the artwork for Episode 1108 was a lot
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    of good art once again we selected them
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    I remember what we do we selected the
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    dingbat found in cave bernie sanders and
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    there was there were a number of reasons
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    for this but one of them that we wanted
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    to mention is we have to stock a thief
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    that we're taking a dislike to of the
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    this guy did yep yeah liked it very much
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    all right so we have a few people to
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    thank for sure what 11:09 we're two
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    shows away from eleven eleven eleven
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    eleven or one show away one shot well
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    after this one one more than eleven
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    eleven eleven eleven which would be the
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    next Sunday yeah and there'd be no
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    Superbowl on that Sunday so you don't
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    have to use your betting money no you
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    can use all of your winnings from from
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    betting on the goat James Smith is a top
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    donor at three hundred thirty three
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    dollars and 33 cents and I thought I saw
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    a note from him yeah you said you had
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    you had an additional no idea but that's
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    not the James Smith Felton it's alright
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    I just let me see if I got a note from
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    James Smith and the mail cuz there
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    should be because I thought I saw one
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    hmm James Smith I got the Smith let's go
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    to the bottom yes yes you know there's a
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    lot of it there's a lot of em Smith
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    these days yeah Jim Smith it's M Smith
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    is pissed off at me no not for good
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    reason that's what she says yeah no she
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    should die okay fine you know it always
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    goes like this
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    John says listen to the show
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    I gather John Smith's from January 2nd
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    where he says Viva Gillette's yawns in
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    the newsletter he says it doesn't have
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    James hmm so I don't know what to say
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    James you got something to tell us send
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    gents I'm requesting a big dose of jabs
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    karma please use the old-school Pelosi
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    version not the weak sauce Trump version
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    is that it no I have been looking
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    unsuccessfully for a new dude named Ben
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    gig for the last six months with no
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    prospects Wow a deed it doesn't say
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    sanity so given by jobs Commerce jobs
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    karma oh wait a minute
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    near enough I saw this I here it is I'll
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    get back to James Smith good ok yeah he
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    said a check in - at the time and I did
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    that cuz I remember reading it he said
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    actually runs the thing called
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    neighbor's feed and seed and Smyrna
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    you've been deduced I'm going to tell
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    you what he's gonna request at the end
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    before I read the note okay