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1066: Hunger Stones

Adam Curry & John C. Dvorak

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September 6th, 2018
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Woodstock
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    Adam curry
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    Jhansi Devorah 18 this is your
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    award-winning Gitmo nation media
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    assassination episode 1066 this is no
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    agenda northern Silicon Valley where the
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    Zephyr actually hugged its horn today
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    I'm John Steed Evora well you gotta
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    think by now that the guys on the Zephyr
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    know about you and they and they and
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    they've triangulated you by now surely
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    oh by the way we did the Sacramento
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    meetup there was a good one of the
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    conductor's was out in front of the
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    station to say hi yeah because he and we
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    have exclusive audio of that event I
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    mean you know is there a foamer podcast
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    this should be hell yeah and usually
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    most most most of the former stuff is on
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    our FDR rfd-tv
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    which is a cable station and they play
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    these these unbelievably long videos of
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    one train just going through you know
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    going here and there just keep following
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    it it's just unbelievably dull I think
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    it would be interesting I would
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    certainly listen to it especially if you
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    know they had guests on who brought
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    their own favorite train clips and and
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    have it really high-quality you know not
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    just a 96 kilohertz sample you know do
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    like 192 or do three three hundred plus
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    and really have the binaural sound of
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    the train going by that I would listen
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    to yeah but did you can't listen to that
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    for too long it's a very short podcast
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    oh yeah maybe a 10 minute podcast listen
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    to a bunch of horns anyway it was busy
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    man and finally some stuff to watch on
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    c-span and finally some stuff to watch on
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    sadly at the same time oh my good and I
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    looked at the clip list today like oh
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    this is fantastic
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    we have almost no overlap you did the
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    Supreme Court mainly Cavanaugh and I
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    mainly did the I have one clip from that
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    and I mainly did the the what was the
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    exact title of it it was a foreign
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    influence and social media with Sandberg
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    and Dorsey oh yeah I wanted to watch
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    that I didn't
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    that's more interesting watch these guys
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    screaming at job I watched that whole
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    opening and like oh really it's just
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    another scripted shit show it's like I
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    don't need to see that although it's
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    entertaining the day before the first
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    day like okay and doing that and then
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    the second day they did it again one do
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    you want to get into it now first you
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    one just want to hear how we're all
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    gonna die just to set the mood for the
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    show well I decided with the I think we
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    can tease the Supreme Court with this is
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    my Supreme Court hearing out of control
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    moment this is the way the whole first
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    day went wait out of control moment got
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    it yes here we go Airmen to serve a
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    justice mr. Chairman I before we proceed
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    mr. chairman I'd like to be recognized
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    to ask a question before we proceed the
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    committee received just last night less
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    than 15 hours ago in pages of dot and
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    this is Kamla Harris from California or
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    as they do on c-span radio review or
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    read or analyze you are you're out of
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    order I'll proceed we cannot possibly
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    move forward there are two daughters mr.
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    chairman or another Harris mr. chairman
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    revenues 40 law clubs and documents that
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    we have everyone else join me tonight
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    and we believe this hearing should no
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    that's not an exciting day for all of
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    you I you know I don't understand why he
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    brought his two daughters that the whole
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    day was an embarrassment for them they
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    were sitting there and they're pretty
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    frocks with mom and mom looks like she's
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    about to kill someone yeah I mean it was
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    it was it's not the most important part
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    of the story but I just felt bad like
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    yeah dude what you knew this was gonna
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    happen dude what you knew this was gonna
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    are you an idiot don't bring your kids
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    to this just gonna suck
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    and then the all the coordinated oh we
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    haven't seen the documents forty-eight
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    million documents well the thing that
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    was funny about it is that and and one
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    of the guys called out the group one of
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    the new I can't or don't have his name I
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    got haven't Billy rice ourselves the
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    freshman from the freshmen class it's
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    one of the new guys on the on the
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    committee he's not deal he's not John
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    Kennedy the old the old fart that's a
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    new guy but a younger guy yeah and he he
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    says I'm looking at a tweet right here
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    from Chuck Schumer he's telling all the
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    Democrats to stall do anything they can
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    to postpone these hearings he said what
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    you guys are doing over there he kept
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    bringing tweets apparently was watching
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    his phone the whole time during the all
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    the hearings of course and then one of
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    them pointed out in which I think should
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    have been pointed out more was the
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    Democrats before the hearings all said
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    we're voting no no matter what uh-huh
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    well if you're voting no no matter what
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    if what do you care about the documents
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    coming in late or whatever you're voting
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    no well exactly I mean I don't come in
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    like well I presume that they tried to
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    maybe somehow convince one or two
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    Republicans to vote against him and that
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    way I mean what I heard what I heard the
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    big head the big Talking Heads talking
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    about on cable news was and I actually
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    it was so long ago is beginning the week
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    I didn't think he would look and clip it
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    well how come you guys didn't walk away
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    you know and there was the kind of this
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    push from the media like you guys should
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    walk out you should walk out really good
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    walk away
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    just walk out of that just to fuck up
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    and be that was like well we don't
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    really want to do that because then we
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    really lose all the power so there was
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    kind of that discussion and I think they
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    really thought well maybe we can
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    convince one or two guys shame him into
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    it with the coordinated people in the
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    audience standing up every 10 minutes ah
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    it was there was there somebody standing
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    up and leaving everything it was the did
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    one would get out they get kicked out
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    then another one another one they're all
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    screaming and there's a high-pitched
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    voice yeah I have a bunch of short
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    little guys if you want to hear oh yeah
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    web your T's has become the segment so
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    let's let's move right through it I'm
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    liking what I'm hearing
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    all right so let's go with a couple a
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    little blood have we even talked to what
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    this is about that this is the
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    confirmation hearing of the idea to
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    mention it yes so this is judge
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    Cavanaugh who Trump nammed as well I
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    think he appoints him and then he has to
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    be confirmed
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    nothing is nomination okay and now it
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    has to go through the Senate and Senate
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    has to it's just a straight straight
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    majority I think for this yeah yeah just
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    so 51 first let's get out of this
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    committee oh yeah okay yes a complicated
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    process yet this is still the committee
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    yeah this is the committee and then
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    where's it go then he goes to the devote
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    for the everyone gets to vote on okay I
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    got it so what's the what's the make of
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    the committee and what do they have a
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    vote or that just someone says hey nice
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    chat and yeah how does that work well
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    how many Republicans how many Democrats
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    on there's one more Republican it's it's
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    all show right let's just agree it's a
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    big show it's grandstanding it's a show
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    okay hey camel toe Harris was back and
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    forth between this one and between the
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    social media the image they were busy
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    well here's here's a classic example of
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    Camilla Harris this is a short clip i
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    will be playing of course very close
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    attention to your testimony and I think
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    you know the American public will be
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    paying very close attention to your
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    testimony you and I are paying some
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    attention but nobody and then Lindsey
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    Graham of course had a couple of good
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    points he kind of point out what you
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    just said a second ago didn't play the
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    Lindsey Graham hypocrisy clip to my
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    colleagues on those I look forward to
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    working with you but we have a different
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    view here I think you got to be blind as
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    to what's going on here have you heard
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    of Justice Breyer do you know him you
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    can't say anything I guess where did he
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    come from
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    he was Ted Kennedy's Senate Jew
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    sherry where do you think Republicans
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    are gonna go find the judge the whole
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    argument is you can be a conservative
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    Republican president but you got to
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    nominate a liberal to be fair to the
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    country a liberal to be fair to the
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    that's absurd what do you think Ruth
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    Bader Ginsburg came problem
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    choose the general counsel they see oh
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    you wonderful person what groups do
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    y'all use to pick from this is shaping
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    up to be the hypocrisy hearing and
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    that's hard to do in the Senate Lindsay
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    is real it's like the it's like one
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    testicle dropped on the guy well there
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    was this incident that was I don't
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    there's no clip of it I saw this I saw
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    the video at the funeral McCain funeral
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    yeah oh yes explaining this really good
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    well Lindsey Graham was there and all of
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    a sudden luma Abidine comes running a
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    beeline beeline through the crowd
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    yeah beeline through the crowd gives him
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    a big hug and the Yankee kick and a
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    couple sorority sisters and meanwhile
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    John Kelly yeah Kelly and mattis were
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    both there and I think it was mattis at
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    first spotted him and they - he looked
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    around and he said what were these two
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    doing and then by the way Lindsey Graham
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    was doing kind of that I'm at the
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    funeral and no one wants to talk to me
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    after Abidine left that's what happened
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    and then Kelly's turns running I didn't
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    realize how tall that guy is yeah little
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    menacing actually he brought got to be
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    able to stand up to trump because he's
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    at least the same height right and he's
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    stand-in there and then all of a sudden
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    he's just starts staring at Lindsey and
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    with a real like a stare like what the
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    wood is that you're up to staring at him
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    and grandmas no they're not noticing
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    that he looks at him suddenly he
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    sketches his eye and he's like yeah and
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    then Kelly gives him some sort of a song
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    well it looks a little it was yes at
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    first like yeah it looks like he's
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    giving cuz he's basically touching his
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    his the bottom underneath his eye with
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    his index finger but it's the other side
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    of his nose than the cameras position
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    and it could also have been just I got
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    some crud in my eye on all
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    Lindsey Graham but it could have been a
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    signal like I got my eye on you yeah
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    that's what I thought and so then after
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    that Lindsey becomes just great
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    apologist for Trump at these hearings
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    only one testicle dropped autumn not
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    both just one he was doing is the best
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    job of all the people there he fries but
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    there's something something's up with
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    that guy let's see what kind of hashtag
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    meet me two moment we can have what
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    Lindsey Graham wouldn't that be great so
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    this is his little very short comment
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    about election this is a second clip
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    from him you had a chance and you lost
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    if you want to pick judges from your way
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    of thinking then you better win an
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    election that's what I'm telling you
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    Lindsey's got a little ballsy call on
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    the side like I like this Lindsey just
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    you know his dad died okay this with his
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    monstas dad but McCain small
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    interjection we make jokes like this and
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    the other night actually regretted we've
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    made a lot of jokes about Ruth Bader
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    Ginsburg house falls asleep yeah she's
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    funny just look at her she's funny and
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    she looks funny and I saw the
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    documentary about her oh I've respect
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    for this woman she's still fantastically
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    in fact she is very humorous but I felt
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    like oh man I've been laughing at her
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    without really knowing her whole story
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    her whole story is pretty outrageously
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    cool okay just as an inter when we laugh
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    about oh I'm just saying that's my
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    conscious I just need to get it off my
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    chest now back to laughing about Lindsey
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    Graham and his little testicle so
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    Feinstein comes out and she said
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    something that I think she wanted to say
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    one thing and she kind of drifted off
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    and said something else and if you
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    listen listen to the structure of what
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    she's trying to say I think she wanted
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    to say that she wants she says the
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    country is do
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    she's a diversity not the country's
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    diverse and we should have a more I
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    think she was saying we don't want to
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    put another white guy in the in the
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    Supreme Court she never actually said
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    that but I think that's what she wanted
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    to say mhm and in a roundabout way
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    behind the noise is really a very
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    sincere belief that it is so important
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    to keep in this country which is
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    multi-ethnic multi-religious
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    multi-ethnic recei and that's my worry
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    that's my worry so I look forward to
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    your statement and answering the
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    questions Thank You mr. chairman
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    yeah and I have two clips that I need to
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    play here before you go mm-hmm what is
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    multi economic mean multi-ethnic
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    multi-religious multi-ethnic what does
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    that mean it means we have rich people
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    and very poor people Multi economic so
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    we need we need a homeless person it
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    seems to me where Nixon says somebody
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    needs to represent the mediocre no core
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    said that yeah I believe it was Nixon I
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    think people gonna look into this be
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    crazy he was being crude condemned for
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    picking somebody who is mediocre so
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    there's a lot of mediocre a diamond
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    paraphrasing a lot of video copy which
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    is kind of what Feinstein just said
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    there's a lot of mediocre people in the
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    country so they need to be represented
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    with a mediocre justice oh man you want
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    to hear the flub of the week real quick
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    yeah this is uh John Kasich and he was
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    and he was talking on the big head Cuomo
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    kid show on CNN look I learned early on
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    in my job when I had a fight with the
  • 15:46
    unions that and sometimes you have to
  • 15:49
    fight and stand tough but if you do it
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    all the time it's distracting you can't
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    achieve your bigger purposes and it's
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    not about some
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    you know it's not about I win you lose
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    the other thing is when you look at the
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    Congress though it's it's like 24 hours
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    since John McCain was put to death and
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    look at this the circus of a hearing
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    that's going on 24 hours since John
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    McCain was put to death I know I'm
  • 16:31
    actually cried the first time I heard it
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    good lord thank you for making the show
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    this is a good thirty seconds worth of
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    conversation of will extend it even it's
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    like 24 hours since John McCain was put
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    to death cold cold cold cold
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    yeah person not hear that at that moment
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    if the people were listening that do
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    these shows they're actually listening
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    to the other person talk yeah you know
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    he wasn't put to death let's make that
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    clear not that we know not that we're
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    aware of but that's what we just say
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    yeah but they wouldn't say that but they
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    should they would correct him yes all
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    right can I can I go into Feinstein you
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    have a point I probably interrupt your
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    whole point about it no the Feinstein
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    thing I think I've got a card
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    essentially what's diversity so we
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    should have you know should have an
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    ethnic another ethnic on the even though
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    we're already at the max it seems I mean
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    they have how many people were Jewish on
  • 17:35
    the Supreme Court three maybe
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    I think that's think they're
  • 17:39
    over-represented we need pastafarians on
  • 17:42
    there why doesn't she
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    bitch about that
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    she's not a Pastafarian well she's
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    Jewish okay they just find that I just
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    want to get a couple of living at this
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    out of the way and then you know this is
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    about Feinstein doctor questioning
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    that's why I inserted it here yes what
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    I'd really only saw the the beginning
  • 18:05
    because I was going back to the social
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    Nets thing and I see Feinstein trying to
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    you know trick Cavanaugh into this
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    conversation about you know I guess in
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    93 her office wrote the assault weapons
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    ban which of course had a sunset clause
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    after ten years and they had a review
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    and said well it didn't do a damn bit of
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    good so we don't have to renew it just
  • 18:28
    so you know historical context but you
  • 18:31
    know she was asking about an opinion he
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    wrote and the guy wrote a lot of
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    opinions about the the reason that you
  • 18:38
    could have an assault weapon legally is
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    because they were not unusual they were
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    there there's millions of them and then
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    she tries to get him into a debate of
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    well does that mean that these millions
  • 18:50
    are used or they're just in the closet
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    it's not the same thing yeah she's
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    trying to relitigate the Second
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    Amendment pretty much it's like a moron
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    wasting everybody's time and everyone
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    could see you could see I mean even I
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    see this coming from a mile away it's
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    like are you really gonna try this so
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    instead of playing that let's listen to
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    NPR's report they spend about seven
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    seconds on it guns abortion the scope of
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    presidential power all issues being put
  • 19:13
    to Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh
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    today this is the second day of his
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    confirmation hearings and the first
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    chance for senators on the Judiciary
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    Committee to question him in public in a
  • 19:22
    moment we'll hear from one of those
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    senators first NPR legal affairs
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    correspondent Nina Totenberg joins us to
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    walk through some of the nominees
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    responses today hi Nina
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    hi let's begin with guns has a
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    reputation as being a very pro-gun
  • 19:35
    rudosch how was he dressed on that today
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    well as a judge Kavanagh has staked out
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    a starkly different position for most
  • 19:43
    lower court judges on gun rights
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    disagreeing even with fellow
  • 19:46
    conservatives most notably he dissented
  • 19:48
    when his court upheld the District of
  • 19:50
    Columbia statute banning assault weapons
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    and ammunition magazines of more than
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    ten bullets today questioned by Senator
  • 19:57
    Dianne Feinstein he maintained that
  • 19:59
    under the
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    situation and Supreme Court precedent
  • 20:02
    only unusual weapons can be regulated
  • 20:05
    and semi-automatic assault rifles are
  • 20:07
    not unusual they're in common use let's
  • 20:09
    take a listen to the exchange you're
  • 20:11
    saying the numbers determine common use
  • 20:14
    they're widely possessed in the United
  • 20:17
    States Senator beyond guns he was also
  • 20:20
    asked about abortion and we know
  • 20:22
    President Trump promised to name someone
  • 20:23
    to the court who would overturn Roe vs.
  • 20:25
    Wade what did Kavanagh have to say now
  • 20:27
    when I heard that I thought wait a
  • 20:29
    minute did he say that the president we
  • 20:33
    know the president said he would appoint
  • 20:34
    someone who would overturn Roe versus
  • 20:37
    Wade who would overturn Roe versus
  • 20:40
    yeah so he said
  • 20:42
    I don't know if the president said that
  • 20:45
    well and if he did by the way let's stop
  • 20:47
    right here because we've listened to
  • 20:49
    these media guys long enough if the
  • 20:51
    president ever said that mm-hmm
  • 20:53
    they would play the clip so I went and
  • 20:56
    got the only clip that I think comes
  • 20:58
    close to what the claim is here and
  • 20:59
    you're right they would have had the
  • 21:01
    clip they don't because he's oh let's
  • 21:05
    just start with everybody out there
  • 21:07
    listening to this because we've noticed
  • 21:09
    this over the last year if there is a
  • 21:13
    moment where Trump said something that
  • 21:15
    they're making an assertion about
  • 21:16
    they're either gonna lie about it and
  • 21:17
    play a different clip or they're gonna
  • 21:18
    play Trump saying it they did not play
  • 21:21
    Trump saying it that means he didn't say
  • 21:23
    it or we'll see what he did say cuz you
  • 21:26
    have the clip okay so again here's NPR
  • 21:28
    NPR your National Public Radio state
  • 21:31
    senator beyond guns he was also asked
  • 21:34
    about abortion and we know President
  • 21:36
    Trump promised to name someone to the
  • 21:37
    court who would overturn Roe vs. Wade
  • 21:38
    what did Kevin I'll have to say now
  • 21:40
    let's listen to what the president
  • 21:41
    actually said this is from the final
  • 21:43
    debate against Hillary Clinton and do
  • 21:47
    have a date on this and it doesn't
  • 21:49
    matter mr. Trump you're pro-life but I
  • 21:52
    want to ask you specifically do you want
  • 21:55
    the court including the justices that
  • 21:57
    you will name to overturn roe v wade
  • 21:59
    which includes in fact states a woman's
  • 22:03
    right to abortion well if that would
  • 22:04
    happen because I am pro-life and I will
  • 22:07
    be appointing pro-life judges I would
  • 22:09
    think that that will go back to the
  • 22:10
    individual states but I'm asking you
  • 22:12
    specifically would you like they
  • 22:14
    overturned it'll go back to the states
  • 22:15
    what I'm asking you sir is do you want
  • 22:18
    to see the court overturn you've just
  • 22:20
    said you want to see the court protect
  • 22:21
    the Second Amendment
  • 22:22
    do you want to see the court overturn
  • 22:24
    well if we put another two or perhaps
  • 22:27
    three justices on that's really what's
  • 22:29
    going to be has that's will happen and
  • 22:31
    that'll happen automatically in my
  • 22:33
    opinion because I am putting pro-life
  • 22:35
    and justices on the court I will say
  • 22:38
    this it will go back to the states and
  • 22:40
    the states will then make a
  • 22:41
    determination there you go he didn't say
  • 22:44
    it no he's
  • 22:47
    he said something really weaselly but
  • 22:58
    yeah news reporting we have we didn't
  • 23:02
    say but he kind of said it and he
  • 23:04
    actually added something important which
  • 23:06
    was omitted from the NPR report which is
  • 23:08
    no matter what happens it goes back to
  • 23:11
    the states where people California
  • 23:14
    shouldn't be worried about anything
  • 23:15
    should be happy they can do whatever
  • 23:17
    they want in fact why don't they promote
  • 23:19
    that yeah later on the show I got some
  • 23:28
    flashbacks and you and I both will both
  • 23:32
    reminisce about when some of the now
  • 23:34
    crazy lefty people were really on our
  • 23:38
    side of thinking interestingly no we'll
  • 23:41
    get to that later the Supreme Court I
  • 23:43
    have two more things I have Mike Lee I
  • 23:46
    had two clips from him one is extremely
  • 23:49
    long you want to play the whole thing
  • 23:50
    but you just get an idea of what he's
  • 23:53
    talking about by playing about the
  • 23:54
    probably the first half of clip one if
  • 23:57
    this is sort of how the practice of
  • 23:59
    holding these hearings began so the
  • 24:02
    Senators could ask nominees how they
  • 24:04
    might vote how they might rule in
  • 24:08
    particular cases but this didn't always
  • 24:11
    happen in fact it it wasn't until 1916
  • 24:15
    that this even started you see there
  • 24:19
    have been 113 justices confirmed at the
  • 24:22
    Supreme Court so far the first 66 were
  • 24:25
    confirmed without even holding a hearing
  • 24:28
    any idea of a hearing is relatively new
  • 24:31
    it's about 102 years old yes see I love
  • 24:33
    this John thank you is having a little
  • 24:35
    history lesson on the show is something
  • 24:37
    we need to work on it's really it's it's
  • 24:39
    entertaining even if this happened
  • 24:41
    hundreds of years ago context that we're
  • 24:45
    not getting from the news me yes now we
  • 24:48
    have to do it punch it that's pathetic
  • 24:51
    podcasters 125 130 years under our
  • 24:54
    constitutional republic without ever
  • 24:56
    having a hearing but regardless we
  • 24:59
    started having hearings just over a cent
  • 25:01
    riah go the very first Supreme Court
  • 25:04
    confirmation hearing occurred in 1916
  • 25:07
    with justice Louis Brandeis after Louis
  • 25:12
    Brandeis was nominated to the court some
  • 25:15
    called for a hearing now if we're honest
  • 25:18
    with ourselves for honest about history
  • 25:20
    I think a lot of us maybe had to do with
  • 25:22
    some anti sentiment fervor and the fact
  • 25:23
    that Justice Brandeis was Jewish but
  • 25:27
    senators also wanted to determine
  • 25:28
    whether Brandeis would use his seat on
  • 25:30
    the Supreme Court to advocate for some
  • 25:35
    of the things that he had advocated for
  • 25:37
    as a private citizen as a public
  • 25:40
    interest attorney they wanted to know
  • 25:43
    how he might vote in particular cases
  • 25:46
    they didn't ask Justice Brandeis to
  • 25:49
    testify significantly but they did in
  • 25:53
    fact ask some outside witnesses what
  • 25:56
    they thought about his nomination the
  • 26:00
    next important moment one could argue
  • 26:01
    occurred in nineteen thirty nine when
  • 26:04
    Felix Frankfurter became the first
  • 26:05
    nominee to himself testified before the
  • 26:09
    committee at the time frankfurter was
  • 26:13
    controversial in part because he was
  • 26:15
    born overseas but senators also worried
  • 26:18
    that frankfurter was a radical based on
  • 26:21
    his defense of anarchists in court so
  • 26:25
    again senators wanted assurances about
  • 26:28
    how frankfurter might rule in particular
  • 26:31
    cases in particular of what results he
  • 26:34
    might reach in a particular type of case
  • 26:37
    frankfurter however significantly
  • 26:40
    declined to engage with the senators on
  • 26:42
    those topics and insisted that his
  • 26:45
    public record spoke for itself
  • 26:47
    justice stewarts nomination in 1959 was
  • 26:51
    another turning point senator is seeking
  • 26:54
    to resist Brown versus Board of
  • 26:55
    Education one of the grill Stewart on
  • 26:58
    his views on integration others still
  • 27:02
    wanted the grill steward about his views
  • 27:03
    on national security
  • 27:05
    so senators turned up the heat a little
  • 27:07
    bit more in that hearing like
  • 27:11
    frankfurter before him Justice Stewart
  • 27:13
    did not provide substantive
  • 27:15
    answers to their questions huh
  • 27:18
    and I played the whole thing as you can
  • 27:19
    tell it goes on and on it he talks about
  • 27:23
    how it yeah now the standard of
  • 27:24
    excellence is rouge gator been a root
  • 27:26
    Gator Gator Ruth Bader Ginsburg are Gigi
  • 27:30
    has son she had a rule she says I'm not
  • 27:32
    gonna you know tip my hat and it's a
  • 27:37
    bunch of during her hearings and I don't
  • 27:39
    think I should be answering these sorts
  • 27:40
    of questions and that's the standard
  • 27:42
    that the Republicans keep throwing in
  • 27:44
    the Democrats face what during these
  • 27:46
    hearings was did frankfurter in that
  • 27:49
    clip you see also the guy who invented
  • 27:50
    the hot dog no no surprisingly enough
  • 27:53
    he's not the same guy okay so I thought
  • 27:57
    it might be a little shortcut were Mike
  • 28:00
    Lee kind of does it because a little
  • 28:03
    little ending here that thought was
  • 28:05
    interesting 28 years later 28 years
  • 28:08
    after Justice Stewart came through this
  • 28:10
    committee the Senate considered Robert
  • 28:13
    Bork's nomination to the Supreme Court
  • 28:15
    this was another significant turning
  • 28:16
    point and in my view remains something
  • 28:19
    of a rock-bottom moment for the Senate
  • 28:22
    and for the Senate Judiciary Committee
  • 28:25
    without getting into any of the course
  • 28:28
    yeah the gory details here I think it
  • 28:30
    suffice it to say that Senator Ted
  • 28:32
    Kennedy and judge Bork did not agree on
  • 28:36
    certain matters of constitutional law
  • 28:38
    and Kennedy's response was to savage
  • 28:44
    unfairly in my opinion the results that
  • 28:48
    Judge Bork would reach if confirmed to
  • 28:51
    the Supreme Court the history shows that
  • 28:54
    over the better part of a century the
  • 28:56
    Judiciary Committee has gradually
  • 28:58
    created something of a new norm the norm
  • 29:01
    in which members demand that nominees
  • 29:03
    speak about specific cases in return for
  • 29:07
    favorable treatment from the committee
  • 29:09
    as the jurists are going through this
  • 29:11
    process now man he's talking about he's
  • 29:15
    wasting our time talking about people
  • 29:17
    who are wasting our time in historical
  • 29:18
    context of wasting time yes I only have
  • 29:23
    one last clip and this is actually have
  • 29:26
    to another was not really about this
  • 29:28
    hearings another was not really about this
  • 29:28
    but this this one here comes from the
  • 29:30
    government there's a guy a couple there
  • 29:33
    you have a number of historians that
  • 29:34
    like to produce podcasts really podcasts
  • 29:41
    are just kind of like little books on
  • 29:43
    tape are they hosted on pod beam no
  • 29:45
    they're not on pod being surprisingly
  • 29:47
    enough I would say that I wouldn't be a
  • 29:51
    podcaster if I had this guy's voice
  • 29:53
    because this is a guy and I don't have
  • 29:54
    his name in front of it he gives a
  • 29:56
    little Supreme Court early history that
  • 29:58
    was never mentioned by anybody as
  • 30:00
    actually kind of interesting presidents
  • 30:02
    nominate Supreme Court justice oh my god
  • 30:05
    I'm already loving the voices and the
  • 30:08
    Senate has to confirm there has been
  • 30:10
    occasional trouble since the very
  • 30:12
    beginning trouble since the very
  • 30:13
    the first justice to be denied a seat on
  • 30:15
    the court was a man named John Rutledge
  • 30:17
    it was 1795 just seven years into the
  • 30:21
    new constitutional experiment Rutledge
  • 30:24
    had written an op-ed piece critical of
  • 30:25
    the Jay Treaty a 1794 treaty with
  • 30:28
    Britain that tried to resolve certain
  • 30:30
    lingering issues from the War of
  • 30:32
    Independence that was enough for a
  • 30:34
    federalist Senate to Scotch his
  • 30:36
    candidacy Jefferson came into office in
  • 30:40
    1801 in what he called the second
  • 30:42
    American Revolution
  • 30:43
    I guess that for saying this guy needs a
  • 30:46
    noise gate real bad
  • 30:49
    did you hear that I don't know man but
  • 30:58
    poised to prevent that revolution was
  • 31:00
    Chief Justice John Marshall Jefferson's
  • 31:03
    distant cousin he was put into his life
  • 31:05
    tenured position in the last months of
  • 31:07
    John Adams failed one-term
  • 31:09
    administration Adams who distrusted
  • 31:11
    Jefferson's Democratic radicalism
  • 31:14
    essentially engaged in last-minute court
  • 31:16
    packing Marshall and dozens of other
  • 31:19
    midnight appointments to make sure that
  • 31:21
    Jefferson did not take things too far to
  • 31:23
    the left
  • 31:24
    Marshall went on to serve for 34 years
  • 31:27
    he was perhaps the greatest of all
  • 31:29
    Supreme Court justices he was indeed a
  • 31:32
    foreign in Jefferson side Marshall
  • 31:34
    wanted America to be a great centralised
  • 31:36
    nation state not a confederation of
  • 31:39
    sovereign states he wanted a nation that
  • 31:42
    prized the sanctity of contract above
  • 31:44
    any temporary notion of social justice
  • 31:46
    he despised Jefferson's vision of a
  • 31:49
    lightly governed inward-looking
  • 31:51
    agriculturally based loose Association
  • 31:54
    of proud Commonwealth's like Virginia
  • 31:56
    and Pennsylvania we now live in
  • 31:59
    Marshalls America not Jefferson's and
  • 32:02
    that's the story Paul Harvey that was
  • 32:07
    probably the right there was the
  • 32:08
    fundamental basis for the Civil War yeah
  • 32:12
    Marshall yeah well and that was social
  • 32:15
    justice warriors it sounds like
  • 32:17
    Jefferson was a social Jefferson warrior
  • 32:20
    he was and that's what she called and he
  • 32:23
    was a lefty I mean the day course they
  • 32:25
    demean him because he owned slaves you
  • 32:28
    know yeah but he was getting closer
  • 32:31
    he was the og s JW t og slave Jefferson
  • 32:37
    warrior we cannot I'm sorry that's my
  • 32:44
    mistake we cannot I'm sorry that's my
  • 32:44
    yeah we cannot I'm sorry that's my
  • 32:49
    what well--there's I've we need we
  • 32:53
    cannot where is this thing yes we cannot
  • 32:56
    end a segment like that without this
  • 32:57
    jingle I'm sorry I will have it ready
  • 32:59
    next time not tight tight now this is
  • 33:12
    the last thing this was an ad did you
  • 33:14
    see this ad this was Susan they ad
  • 33:16
    against Susan Collins the social justice
  • 33:19
    warriors put up an ad right now who is
  • 33:21
    Susan Collins this is the senator from
  • 33:23
    Maine who is the Republican and swing
  • 33:31
    vote mm-hmm and she has to vote as do
  • 33:35
    every do all the Republicans they have
  • 33:37
    to vote YES on this guy and they think
  • 33:39
    that she's a weak sister a weak sister
  • 33:44
    okay and so the all these Democrats put
  • 33:48
    together this ad claiming to be likes
  • 33:50
    her supporters but you could just see
  • 33:53
    this as a fake in terms of that and they
  • 33:56
    put this ad out which is now floating
  • 33:58
    around trying to get her to vote against
  • 34:00
    Kavanagh and this is the ad Susan
  • 34:02
    college senator I have called you I have
  • 34:05
    emailed I've written letters day after
  • 34:08
    day week after week it has been pretty
  • 34:10
    d'amore week after week it has been pretty
  • 34:11
    to know that your elected representative
  • 34:15
    is ignoring you so we're trying
  • 34:17
    something new and hope that this will
  • 34:19
    get your attention
  • 34:20
    senator Collins if you vote for Brett
  • 34:22
    Kavanaugh we're gonna fund your future
  • 34:24
    opponent a vote for Cavanaugh is almost
  • 34:27
    certainly a vote to reverse Roe versus
  • 34:31
    Wade as a Mainer who has a pre-existing
  • 34:33
    condition if you vote YES on Cavanaugh
  • 34:35
    you're voting to kill me I got to hear
  • 34:45
    that part again that was just so good by
  • 34:48
    the way it's followed up by the
  • 34:49
    non-binary person but also the the
  • 34:53
    cadence the whole delivery of that line
  • 34:55
    was just fantastic if you're going to
  • 34:58
    kill me
  • 34:58
    no Manor who has a pre-existing
  • 35:00
    condition if you vote YES on Cavanaugh
  • 35:02
    you're voting to kill me if he was in
  • 35:05
    court he could instantly take away
  • 35:07
    rights for people like me as a
  • 35:09
    non-binary person or people nearly under
  • 35:12
    marginalized identity you vote no
  • 35:17
    we're not gonna stop fighting until
  • 35:19
    you're defeated Mainers need you to
  • 35:21
    stand up and be a hero be a hero
  • 35:24
    being a hero for your hero and vote no
  • 35:26
    and if you don't we will replace you who
  • 35:32
    paid for that that's great I don't know
  • 35:34
    I couldn't have yet to figure it out
  • 35:36
    it's very it's humorous I like it that's
  • 35:37
    very funny
  • 35:38
    this is I appreciate this kind of art
  • 35:41
    and I encourage that at any time in our
  • 35:43
    media landscape vote for him to kill me
  • 35:47
    yes yeah I think that is fantastic
  • 35:50
    absolutely good job well let's
  • 35:54
    transition to the other side of Capitol
  • 35:57
    Hill and where we had the foreign
  • 36:01
    influence on social media a hearing and
  • 36:05
    this was in the Intelligence Committee
  • 36:06
    and I think we can do a nice transition
  • 36:08
    with the only clips that overlapped
  • 36:10
    during for this program because John I
  • 36:13
    never discussed what we're gonna do I
  • 36:15
    have no idea what he's gonna talk about
  • 36:16
    or what clips he's sending I just get
  • 36:18
    them before we start five minutes before
  • 36:20
    I look at him just to make sure yeah
  • 36:22
    there's not too many doubles I have one
  • 36:24
    clip of Alex Jones versus Marco Rubio
  • 36:26
    you have two so I think that you should
  • 36:31
    run with the segment actually Marco you
  • 36:37
    might want to play your clip because if
  • 36:38
    cuz I mic clips are kind of a trap it's
  • 36:43
    the clip plus a kicker and I want to see
  • 36:46
    what your clip is I just have to
  • 36:48
    straight-up clip but I just have
  • 36:50
    straight-up clip I think we should do
  • 36:52
    yours this is an executive decision okay
  • 36:55
    well this is the clip that I'm gonna
  • 36:57
    play this is a Alex Jones versus Ruger
  • 36:59
    this is a clip that was generally
  • 37:01
    promoted on the Internet
  • 37:03
    yeah and it was Rubio giving a press
  • 37:07
    briefing in the hallway and Jones
  • 37:10
    butting in but but I just want to say up
  • 37:13
    front what I found so fascinating about
  • 37:16
    this clip and of course we'll hear it
  • 37:17
    most the clip is about this a big
  • 37:19
    spoiler Rubio then I've seen this
  • 37:23
    behavior Rubio then I've seen this
  • 37:25
    I'll give you an example in the
  • 37:27
    Netherlands for sure in when I was 20
  • 37:30
    very early on when you know being on TV
  • 37:32
    was not as common as it is today and
  • 37:35
    people would of course recognise me and
  • 37:37
    they would always say just without me
  • 37:39
    even asking hi I don't know who you are
  • 37:42
    and I said I never watched it now I
  • 37:45
    never watched music television you
  • 37:46
    kidding man I don't know if I don't know
  • 37:47
    who you are when they when I it's a very
  • 37:50
    I knew for a fact that they have oh yes
  • 37:52
    and it's a very odd reaction that some
  • 37:54
    people had and of all people for this to
  • 37:57
    happen and Marco Rubio to do this and
  • 38:00
    double and triple down on it with
  • 38:02
    shouting in his face
  • 38:04
    I give Alex Jones a 10 plus for this by
  • 38:06
    the way I wish I had those balls to
  • 38:09
    promote our show
  • 38:12
    cuz you know he's just sticking his
  • 38:13
    facing good info wars.com I think I wish
  • 38:16
    I had both legs it's fantastic guy very
  • 38:19
    this is great could I have a first
  • 38:21
    amendment or should these companies be
  • 38:22
    able to to viola coal safe harbor hacked
  • 38:25
    and all that and then ban conservatives
  • 38:26
    in mash about the First Amendment yeah I
  • 38:32
    support the first question a couple of
  • 38:38
    things we have to start it over okay
  • 38:39
    cause I think it needs to be prefaced
  • 38:40
    that rubra is actually doing an
  • 38:42
    interview some woman from local station
  • 38:45
    him and Joe was just standing on the
  • 38:47
    side there it just jumps in yeah and he
  • 38:49
    and I believe he says safe harbor act
  • 38:52
    instead of safe harbor at save are ver
  • 38:55
    yeah like safe harbor act like oh you
  • 38:58
    gonna put Rubio's funny keep catch that
  • 39:01
    term I said what do you talk about
  • 39:02
    putting trees up I know what you're
  • 39:04
    talking about I don't need any more
  • 39:05
    trees oh I didn't even catch that that's
  • 39:08
    pretty funny
  • 39:08
    could I have a First Amendment or should
  • 39:10
    these companies be able to to viola coal
  • 39:12
    say barber hacks and all that and then
  • 39:14
    ban conservatives in mash know about the
  • 39:19
    First Amendment yeah I support the first
  • 39:21
    time I just ask questions
  • 39:23
    China are guys hired are you aware that
  • 39:26
    he platforming going on in China
  • 39:29
    no here big tech companies are purging
  • 39:31
    conservatives their shadow banning
  • 39:33
    people in matter well my broader concern
  • 39:35
    is that what we are trying to do in
  • 39:37
    terms of preventing foreign interference
  • 39:38
    in our elections that technology could
  • 39:42
    be used by authoritarian governments to
  • 39:44
    argue we want you to do the same thing
  • 39:46
    against people that are in our Jones
  • 39:48
    makes an external argument he says dude
  • 39:50
    what are you talking about that's
  • 39:51
    happening here right now under your very
  • 39:53
    nose country operating for example for
  • 39:55
    that misinformation would be something
  • 39:56
    like the truth for that missin for them
  • 39:59
    sowing instability would be supporting
  • 40:01
    democracy and flip the Democrats are
  • 40:03
    doing what you said China does that you
  • 40:04
    got fun shelf Hamburg
  • 40:06
    Dorsey on that question I think Facebook
  • 40:08
    now is I think it's important for them
  • 40:10
    not to comply with any efforts to sort
  • 40:13
    of go after freedom of expression
  • 40:15
    conservative the the not answering just
  • 40:18
    Republicans are acting like it isn't
  • 40:20
    happening are acting like it isn't
  • 40:20
    thank God Trump is weird oh yeah it's
  • 40:23
    really weird there's no person
  • 40:24
    conservatives shadow banning well I
  • 40:32
    think the bigger biases against freedom
  • 40:34
    of expression everybody should be
  • 40:35
    there's a there's a look I see more
  • 40:37
    going on happening here but you say I
  • 40:39
    don't exist it's not a heckler I depress
  • 40:41
    the goggle look at this guy he's saying
  • 40:42
    that I don't exist and these very hairy
  • 40:49
    he plays dumb here's the common so he
  • 41:06
    calls him snake snake eyes frat boy and
  • 41:10
    then he touches his shoulder which he
  • 41:11
    had done a couple times before which I
  • 41:12
    also found to be quite aggressive I'd be
  • 41:14
    like dude don't touch me and but then
  • 41:17
    Rubio falls for it in some planes of
  • 41:19
    years info play this joke over here
  • 41:24
    that's why the D platforming didn't work
  • 41:25
    but but here's the question here's a
  • 41:27
    question don't touch me again man I'm
  • 41:29
    asking not to touch well sure I'll just
  • 41:30
    pad you nice I know but I don't want to
  • 41:31
    be fed I know who you are it's not just
  • 41:33
    gonna beat me up so mad you're not gonna
  • 41:40
    stylish me people are like you are
  • 41:44
    literally atop what was that something
  • 41:49
    now you're at the end of your clip there
  • 41:51
    shouldn't have been yeah gangster give
  • 41:55
    me ends but then that's the clip that
  • 41:57
    went around but then and you gave him
  • 41:59
    the kudos and I thought it was pretty
  • 42:01
    funny kudos and I thought it was pretty
  • 42:01
    yeah although he's just annoying kudos
  • 42:05
    for promoting his shows I gave him
  • 42:06
    composure savage Michael Savage has an
  • 42:09
    extended version huh that was that was
  • 42:11
    done by Cassandra Fairbanks one of the
  • 42:14
    famous Twitter people done that it
  • 42:17
    follow and she follows me
  • 42:19
    and she was there apparently putting
  • 42:22
    this thing on periscope live uh-huh and
  • 42:25
    so when Rubio kinda gave gave up and we
  • 42:28
    started walking away I think I think
  • 42:32
    Jones kind of blew his credibility by
  • 42:36
    calling him out as gay and just let it
  • 42:42
    kind of goes little nuts on this and
  • 42:43
    listen to the way it ends but well I'm
  • 42:51
    playing it but I'm not hearing it no
  • 42:53
    that's not good to argue we want you to
  • 43:03
    do the same thing against people that
  • 43:05
    are I have a fit maybe you didn't clip
  • 43:06
    this about should I move it this time
  • 43:08
    and move it to the end see what it
  • 43:10
    sounds like okay careful about bro look
  • 43:24
    on the ground I think you gave me the
  • 43:26
    outtake I may have well yeah I'll tell
  • 43:29
    you what he says he says sorry I can get
  • 43:37
    that get that clip like goup stop the
  • 43:39
    show go get it no no no no no you don't
  • 43:41
    have that clip no stomping of the show
  • 43:44
    he falls and mad he says go back to the
  • 43:46
    bathhouse no it's too bad you didn't
  • 43:50
    have the clip you know this has happened
  • 43:52
    to me before it's empty you once maybe
  • 43:55
    twice but it's okay because I have a a
  • 43:57
    clip maybe of similar proportion this
  • 44:00
    was really an interesting thing that
  • 44:01
    happened we had all you know there was
  • 44:04
    lots of messy stuff going on the
  • 44:07
    audience we had the Democrats shouting
  • 44:09
    and the SCOTUS hearing then we had all
  • 44:12
    kinds of stuff going on with Alex Jones
  • 44:14
    and of course we had the social media
  • 44:16
    network and election hearing and that
  • 44:20
    was interrupted by Laura Loomer
  • 44:22
    oh yes now Laurel umer I I'm I might as
  • 44:27
    well just to tell you what I've been
  • 44:29
    thinking for a while yes yeah she comes
  • 44:31
    up with really interesting and well
  • 44:34
    researched and surprising information
  • 44:38
    certainly about the Vegas shooting and
  • 44:42
    she has these just gems of nuggets from
  • 44:44
    time to time and then all of a sudden
  • 44:46
    she's the 25 year old moron again yams
  • 44:50
    like primping for the camera and so she
  • 44:52
    stands up in the back with her selfie
  • 44:54
    stick making sure she's filming herself
  • 44:57
    causing this ruckus shouting something
  • 44:59
    to the effect of Jack Dorsey is meddling
  • 45:02
    in the elections his squashing
  • 45:04
    Republican voice as conservative as us
  • 45:06
    okay hold on so I didn't see any of
  • 45:10
    these which is the way I expected you to
  • 45:13
    do I don't know why but I don't know why
  • 45:15
    either Patel you go but she was at this
  • 45:20
    yeah in the back in the audience
  • 45:25
    so she stands up and she starts
  • 45:28
    interrupting and then and I'm watching
  • 45:31
    this dueling c-span screens and by the
  • 45:33
    way this is great on the on the surface
  • 45:35
    go I didn't know this about Windows and
  • 45:37
    maybe it's just the surface but you can
  • 45:38
    drag a window to the edge and then poop
  • 45:41
    it'll take up half the screen and I'll
  • 45:42
    give you a choice for another yeah
  • 45:44
    that's a day I'll do it that does it we
  • 45:45
    that's a Windows 10 thing yeah and then
  • 45:47
    you hit the escape button after you've
  • 45:48
    done it elegantly once ever since Steve
  • 45:51
    died all that cool stuff that Apple used
  • 45:53
    to do and now someone's gonna tell me
  • 45:55
    they do it too I'm sure they do
  • 45:57
    that's beside the point very long beside
  • 45:59
    the point anyway so I'm looking at this
  • 46:02
    and there she is and I'm like this is
  • 46:04
    just grand izing and now she has this
  • 46:07
    thing like you've been Lewis grant
  • 46:09
    standing what I say grand icing nom
  • 46:12
    Nydia grandstanding and she has this
  • 46:15
    you've been Lou murd like no no you
  • 46:17
    gotta be around a little longer before
  • 46:20
    you can say that you've Lou murd I mean
  • 46:22
    I would never say you've been Dvorak
  • 46:23
    tore curried or No Agenda no we say
  • 46:26
    would you been hit in the mouth that's a
  • 46:28
    little different but bloomer you can
  • 46:29
    always tell that chicken that's been
  • 46:31
    curry yes so you've been humored so i
  • 46:34
    have a feeling that she's being run by
  • 46:36
    someone that she has she has someone
  • 46:39
    behind her who's giving her great
  • 46:41
    information and she just knows how to
  • 46:43
    present it she's you know semi cute
  • 46:45
    she's bubbly young energetic and you
  • 46:48
    know so there's something going on
  • 46:50
    behind her that that is putting
  • 46:53
    information out anyway so this is not
  • 46:54
    one of those moments this is really her
  • 46:55
    trying to Loomer and it fails but it
  • 46:59
    fails for a very interesting reason and
  • 47:01
    and so I have these two screens going on
  • 47:03
    I'm like is there a third what is me
  • 47:07
    comes Auto Auction on what's happening
  • 47:09
    here now recognizes that get a mic over
  • 47:13
    to her get a mic over order get a mic
  • 47:16
    over now lab order in the air will be
  • 47:20
    asked to leave you you'll please take a
  • 47:25
    seat or we'll have to have you then
  • 47:27
    you'll need to release please help
  • 47:31
    before it is too late because Jack
  • 47:33
    Dorsey is trying to influence the
  • 47:35
    election what she said I can't
  • 47:38
    understand 15 $20 figured a hand viola 7
  • 47:46
    half 30 $30 up here at this point like
  • 47:49
    I'm like what's going on $40 she's
  • 47:51
    yelling I'm hearing this hey hot $50
  • 47:54
    down here - officer will you escort this
  • 47:56
    young lady out please - half an hour 5c
  • 47:58
    5 1770 up two and a half now five seven
  • 48:01
    five seven I have $80 - five 85 90
  • 48:03
    hundred on at hand and to end the
  • 48:05
    quarter one the quarter 1 Hannah said
  • 48:07
    about to do to the quarter it - at
  • 48:09
    hancinema 3 able to bond 300 it three
  • 48:11
    and a quarter cut three and a quarter
  • 48:12
    now a quarter cut three and a quarter
  • 48:12
    hanpan through the head of Maya 400 yeah
  • 48:15
    but a 4-4-2 quarter fort have we're
  • 48:16
    selling the cell phone there for the
  • 48:17
    court half-dead Ford has returned about
  • 48:19
    a five hundred five and a quarter fine
  • 48:21
    with half I yield back
  • 48:25
    that was Senator long from Missouri was
  • 48:28
    fantastic that was a really creative way
  • 48:32
    of lightening the mood that was really
  • 48:37
    good and so everyone just like it was it
  • 48:39
    was perfect and then of course the it
  • 48:41
    ends on such a sour note just dumb this
  • 48:44
    is like great and now is your moment for
  • 48:46
    the for the great line of the day and
  • 48:48
    know what does he do now I think our
  • 48:50
    auctioneer and residents gonna get
  • 48:51
    tweeted about today idiot
  • 48:55
    no okay so that was all I really had of
  • 49:01
    the interruptions like that apparently
  • 49:06
    he wasn't that's a that's a sound of a
  • 49:08
    professional - it's like yes well we
  • 49:10
    have a lot of them here in Tejas so yeah
  • 49:12
    I'm familiar with them yeah otherwise
  • 49:15
    you thought it'd be cool to do that
  • 49:17
    there was a song back in the day I could
  • 49:20
    do heavier don't be the auctioneer I
  • 49:22
    could do that I could I could sing along
  • 49:24
    with it the audition it's called the
  • 49:26
    I'll find it for the next show the
  • 49:28
    auctioneer okay so now we have on the
  • 49:32
    other side of the Senate we have or
  • 49:34
    wherever I don't know what if it's
  • 49:36
    really on the other side we have the
  • 49:37
    Intelligence Committee and they have a
  • 49:39
    hearing which is titled foreign
  • 49:41
    influence and social media now although
  • 49:43
    all of these things are screwed
  • 49:44
    did never and you could even see both
  • 49:46
    Dorsey and Sandberg who were the only
  • 49:48
    two there there was an empty seat
  • 49:50
    ominously empty where Google didn't show
  • 49:52
    up that one reference whoo hey they
  • 49:58
    don't have to they right everyone's
  • 49:59
    checks they don't have to show up so
  • 50:01
    that's what's going on there and where's
  • 50:03
    the outrage where's the media talking
  • 50:05
    about Google being a bunch of either
  • 50:07
    pussies something to hide or just plain
  • 50:10
    rude they talk about it but only in a
  • 50:15
    normal like reporting manner
  • 50:20
    Google by the way what is what shows up
  • 50:22
    a big G and we'll logo who comes for
  • 50:26
    Google Eric Schmidt here comes a Google
  • 50:29
    Eric sir he's my age I'm Sante gigas he
  • 50:32
    talks like this you can't really express
  • 50:34
    himself the low voice
  • 50:37
    okay I don't know so then out there good
  • 50:40
    and there's no one from Google yeah but
  • 50:45
    you know you can see Sandberg and Jack
  • 50:48
    Dorsey from Twitter they both have they
  • 50:50
    basically have the questions in
  • 50:52
    long-form sheets in front of them's like
  • 50:54
    they know who's coming they know what
  • 50:55
    questions are coming I don't know if was
  • 50:56
    abbreviated or not but we know these
  • 50:58
    things are scripted but this is a topic
  • 51:00
    that not everyone is well-versed in and
  • 51:03
    I I sadly that one I forgot to do was of
  • 51:06
    and I will clip that for Sunday's of
  • 51:08
    camallo Harris trying to understand the
  • 51:11
    value of an ad buy which is really
  • 51:13
    important but we can easily discuss it
  • 51:16
    on Sunday it's a lot much longer
  • 51:17
    conversation because it's so convoluted
  • 51:18
    but I think you and I can pick it apart
  • 51:21
    okay we'll do that but the hearing
  • 51:24
    started off and this is the the first
  • 51:26
    clip is a little little over two minutes
  • 51:28
    and it it kind of really says everything
  • 51:31
    and it shows you the difference between
  • 51:32
    these two personalities and I believe
  • 51:33
    also the DNA of their companies I don't
  • 51:37
    know why I was up talking and do my tech
  • 51:46
    reporter voice that's what it was these
  • 51:48
    two companies okay let me tell you all
  • 51:50
    about it at least I caught myself and
  • 51:54
    the first question is the only question
  • 51:56
    really we needed to have answer and
  • 51:58
    maybe I should ask you first for some
  • 51:59
    reflection because the first question is
  • 52:01
    from the Chairman is what is social
  • 52:05
    media the Chairman is what is social
  • 52:06
    now what is social media to you John
  • 52:09
    before we hear from our witnesses social
  • 52:12
    media is a construct
  • 52:15
    using the internet to interconnect
  • 52:20
    people in groups forums or even
  • 52:24
    individually so they can interact
  • 52:26
    without being anywhere near each other
  • 52:29
    someone should write that down because
  • 52:32
    that was very good as you can imagine
  • 52:35
    it's not at all what their answers work
  • 52:39
    and Sandberg now let me just get my
  • 52:42
    other notes here I did take a number of
  • 52:44
    notes even though I'd have just a few
  • 52:45
    clips first of all Sandberg I'm sorry
  • 52:47
    and I tried this out on Tina last night
  • 52:50
    not as a joke but purely is as just an
  • 52:52
    observation and didn't go very far but
  • 52:54
    Sandberg has got to be watching these
  • 52:57
    hearings of herself I'm sure she saw
  • 52:59
    some tape I'm thinking God why did I
  • 53:02
    fuck up my nose so bad I mean she did
  • 53:05
    something with a nose job it was
  • 53:06
    probably a second or a third time and it
  • 53:09
    she had a a broad nose if you look at
  • 53:12
    the at the book of knowledge and you go
  • 53:14
    back and but it was cute it was nothing
  • 53:16
    wrong with it and you know now it has
  • 53:18
    kind of that Michael Jackson thing where
  • 53:19
    two sides in a way it's like Mike it's
  • 53:22
    Michael circa 1989 you know where it's
  • 53:31
    and then it starts to fall in other side
  • 53:33
    and then the way the light hits it it
  • 53:35
    just it just looks like you have a small
  • 53:37
    kind of structure left looks like you
  • 53:39
    have a small penis on your face I mean
  • 53:40
    it's really bad to anyway and I'm sorry
  • 53:43
    for her that she did that but let it be
  • 53:45
    a warning people be careful what you do
  • 53:47
    with your face endorsee read his opening
  • 53:51
    of that opening statements Dorsey read
  • 53:52
    his opening statement from his iPhone
  • 53:54
    which I think was a big mistake he
  • 53:55
    looked and he was he's nervous and he's
  • 53:58
    he if he if he hadn't said I'm shy at
  • 54:01
    the beginning was he did you know I
  • 54:03
    usually don't do these things I'm sure
  • 54:04
    he could have been seen as a much much
  • 54:08
    closer to Tony Stark than Elon Musk
  • 54:10
    because he comes across as a very deep
  • 54:13
    thinker he carries his words very
  • 54:15
    carefully and I actually think he is a
  • 54:18
    deep thinker and has thought about what
  • 54:20
    he's doing and what Twitter is and I
  • 54:21
    have to say I'm very impressed by his
  • 54:23
    performance in general let me see well
  • 54:27
    did the typical
  • 54:28
    they're about Nome their business model
  • 54:31
    and all that stuff we've heard it a
  • 54:33
    million times but there were some new
  • 54:36
    terms and a couple things I highlighted
  • 54:37
    again the the advertising and the money
  • 54:40
    flow and everything I didn't get that
  • 54:41
    one will do that on Sunday but let's
  • 54:43
    start off with the opening statements
  • 54:44
    with that very question this question is
  • 54:46
    - oh and Samberg hold on a second before
  • 54:50
    you start teasing Sunday oh you're right
  • 54:53
    what am I thinking it's not Sun that's
  • 54:54
    Thunder someday we have a special show
  • 54:56
    yeah you're talking about next Thursday
  • 54:58
    yes next Thursday
  • 55:00
    sorry I'll probably forget
  • 55:04
    we'll never know you won't I'll remember
  • 55:06
    I will remember the Sandberg Campbell
  • 55:09
    Harris clip okay it's programmed now
  • 55:12
    back to the back to the show and Sheryl
  • 55:17
    Sandberg saw her entire testimony was
  • 55:19
    Miss goody goody two-shoes borderline
  • 55:22
    valley girl had everything all sewn up
  • 55:25
    she's that veteran she knows Jack's
  • 55:27
    nervous and shy this question is to both
  • 55:34
    of you
  • 55:35
    how would you define social media for
  • 55:39
    this committee and more importantly for
  • 55:42
    the American people and I'll start with
  • 55:43
    you miss ember social media enables you
  • 55:47
    to share what you want to share when you
  • 55:48
    want to share it without asking
  • 55:50
    permission from anyone that's that's the
  • 55:53
    top thing right there share what you
  • 55:57
    want to share with anyone without any
  • 55:59
    permission except permission from
  • 56:02
    Facebook that's how we meet our mission
  • 56:05
    which is giving people a voice I would
  • 56:08
    have stopped right there oh really so if
  • 56:11
    people can share like illegal images or
  • 56:14
    atom bomb plans or anything they want to
  • 56:18
    share or there's you know some sort of a
  • 56:20
    meeting that's gonna do overthrow the
  • 56:22
    government that's all shareable that's
  • 56:24
    that's what social media is all about is
  • 56:25
    but that you are now the senator from
  • 56:29
    Kentucky you have just won your seat on
  • 56:32
    the house and two undies Senate
  • 56:34
    Intelligence come on I'll start with you
  • 56:35
    miss ember social media enables you to
  • 56:39
    share what you want to share when you
  • 56:41
    want to share it without asking
  • 56:42
    permission I just want that on a big
  • 56:45
    placard anyone and that's how we meet
  • 56:49
    our mission which is really giving
  • 56:51
    people a voice and I think what's more
  • 56:54
    important than just the content people
  • 56:56
    shares the connections they made rich
  • 56:58
    social media enables people to celebrate
  • 57:00
    their birthdays
  • 57:10
    when I heard that I said this is
  • 57:13
    fantastic I heard that I said this is
  • 57:15
    how do they come up with approve that
  • 57:19
    yeah number two on the list birthdays
  • 57:23
    the Dutch are jumping up and down and I
  • 57:26
    think what's more important than just
  • 57:27
    the content people shares the
  • 57:29
    connections they make social media
  • 57:31
    enables people to celebrate their
  • 57:33
    birthdays and I'm sorry I just want this
  • 57:35
    was my first birthday in many years
  • 57:37
    without Facebook
  • 57:40
    and you celebrated it just fine yeah I'm
  • 57:45
    still here and it was really calm and
  • 57:49
    the few people that did get through to
  • 57:51
    me few people that did get through to
  • 57:52
    they really love me so it was a good
  • 57:55
    feeling in the last year people have
  • 57:57
    raised 300 million dollars on Facebook
  • 57:59
    on birthday funders for nonprofits they
  • 58:02
    care about birthday funders huh it's a
  • 58:04
    double whammy on the birthdays for the
  • 58:05
    social nets safety check in the worst
  • 58:09
    circumstances of their lives have let
  • 58:12
    their loved ones know they're safe how
  • 58:14
    about a text message does that work
  • 58:16
    still hey I'm still alive phone oh thank
  • 58:19
    god there's Facebook and small
  • 58:23
    businesses to grow all around the
  • 58:25
    country I meet with small businesses
  • 58:27
    from a woman making dresses in her
  • 58:30
    living room and selling them on
  • 58:31
    Instagram with one arm to a local
  • 58:33
    plumber with no legs were able to find
  • 58:35
    their customers on Facebook and then
  • 58:38
    able to grow and hire people and live
  • 58:40
    their American dream and that's our
  • 58:43
    entire statement that is what social
  • 58:45
    media is it's about sharing anything you
  • 58:49
    want without anyone telling you what to
  • 58:50
    do unless your name is Alex Jones
  • 58:52
    it's about birthdays raising money for
  • 58:56
    birthdays and what was the last one yeah
  • 59:00
    small businesses oh yeah yes sad people
  • 59:03
    with little who would you know retirees
  • 59:05
    who are doing work somewhere they can
  • 59:07
    make a buck that's social media so Jack
  • 59:12
    Dorsey who knew I mean if I was like a
  • 59:17
    burger like dude you didn't do a good
  • 59:19
    job on that that's not how a social
  • 59:22
    media is anyway so Dorsey doesn't really
  • 59:28
    even answer the question he goes
  • 59:30
    straight to where what he's thinking and
  • 59:32
    this will come back and I have just a
  • 59:34
    couple other clips this will come back
  • 59:35
    and it's deep and I really appreciate
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    the thinking he put into it and also
  • 59:40
    notice that the senator addresses him as
  • 59:43
    Jack and not mr. Dorsey in this
  • 59:45
    particular clip I just thought that was
  • 59:47
    interesting for context able to find
  • 59:49
    their customers on Facebook and then
  • 59:52
    able to grow and hire people and live
  • 59:54
    their American dream
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    I believe it's really important to to
  • 1:00:03
    understand how the people see it and we
  • 1:00:07
    believe that the people use Twitter as
  • 1:00:09
    they would a public square and they
  • 1:00:12
    often have the same expectations that
  • 1:00:14
    they would have of any public space for
  • 1:00:18
    our part we see our platform as hosting
  • 1:00:21
    and serving conversations those
  • 1:00:24
    conversations are on the public we think
  • 1:00:27
    there's a lot of benefit to those
  • 1:00:28
    conversations being in the public but
  • 1:00:31
    there's obviously a lot of risks as well
  • 1:00:34
    we see that news and entertainment are
  • 1:00:38
    actually byproducts of public
  • 1:00:41
    conversation a very astute observation
  • 1:00:43
    I don't know if the media likes it but I
  • 1:00:46
    thought that was good yes it's a
  • 1:00:48
    byproduct absolutely media should like
  • 1:00:50
    it and they should use it as an
  • 1:00:52
    ammunition against them because it's not
  • 1:00:55
    it's not primary so yeah you can
  • 1:00:58
    advertise with Twitter but it's a
  • 1:00:59
    byproduct it's like advertising with a
  • 1:01:01
    byproduct you know byproduct like a
  • 1:01:03
    byproduct of poor with no there's no no
  • 1:01:06
    no no he says something said news is a
  • 1:01:08
    byproduct of tenor
  • 1:01:12
    yeah I think what he means by news is
  • 1:01:14
    like reporting news yeah so so Twitter
  • 1:01:16
    is the ground zero the media is just
  • 1:01:18
    taken the the shreds that fly off the
  • 1:01:21
    edge of the mission I think I think no I
  • 1:01:23
    don't think that's what he meant that's
  • 1:01:25
    I think that's exactly what he meant
  • 1:01:27
    well it doesn't matter we can disagree
  • 1:01:29
    on that this yes and entertainment are
  • 1:01:34
    actually byproducts of public
  • 1:01:36
    conversation and we see our role as
  • 1:01:40
    helping to not only serve that public
  • 1:01:43
    conversation so that everyone can
  • 1:01:44
    benefit even if they don't have a
  • 1:01:46
    Twitter account I don't know what that
  • 1:01:49
    means account I don't know what that
  • 1:01:49
    everyone can benefit from Twitter even
  • 1:01:52
    if you don't have a Twitter account well
  • 1:01:54
    you know always go on the site you know
  • 1:01:55
    which foot it oh okay I got you you not
  • 1:01:58
    only serve that public conversation so
  • 1:02:00
    that everyone can benefit even if they
  • 1:02:02
    don't have a Twitter account that's
  • 1:02:04
    important but also to increase the
  • 1:02:06
    health of that conversation as well the
  • 1:02:08
    health and nor do that in order to do
  • 1:02:11
    that we need to be able to measure it we
  • 1:02:13
    need to now yeah yeah this is deep he so
  • 1:02:16
    he's saying the health of that
  • 1:02:18
    conversation and I and I think the
  • 1:02:20
    health and I and I think the
  • 1:02:21
    I think contextually I think I
  • 1:02:22
    understand what he's talking about is it
  • 1:02:24
    at the health the health yes the health
  • 1:02:26
    so the healthiness of the of the
  • 1:02:28
    conversation the health if it is
  • 1:02:31
    something that is making people happy
  • 1:02:34
    and therefore healthy because they
  • 1:02:37
    either iris would say agree with each
  • 1:02:39
    other is one way if you have everyone
  • 1:02:40
    agreeing with each other I don't know
  • 1:02:42
    how that works but okay or going to
  • 1:02:45
    dimension be for a few minutes on
  • 1:02:47
    Twitter you'll know how it works really
  • 1:02:48
    quick right but but do we all agree that
  • 1:02:52
    he's saying healthy conversations where
  • 1:02:54
    people aren't like me and making
  • 1:02:56
    themselves sick literally making
  • 1:02:57
    themselves sick which is what social
  • 1:02:59
    media is what is social media Mr curry
  • 1:03:01
    it's a place where people go to get sick
  • 1:03:04
    that's my answer but also to increase
  • 1:03:07
    the health of that conversation as well
  • 1:03:09
    and nor do that in order to do that we
  • 1:03:12
    need to be able to measure a measure we
  • 1:03:14
    need to understand what healthy
  • 1:03:16
    participation looks like in a public
  • 1:03:18
    square and we need to amplify that
  • 1:03:21
    that's more important
  • 1:03:23
    we need to question a lot of the
  • 1:03:26
    fundamentals that we started with 12
  • 1:03:27
    years ago in the form of incentives when
  • 1:03:32
    people use our product every single day
  • 1:03:34
    when they open our app up what are we
  • 1:03:38
    incentivizing them to do not telling
  • 1:03:40
    them what to do where are we actually
  • 1:03:42
    incentivizing them to do and that
  • 1:03:45
    certainly speaks to the buttons that we
  • 1:03:48
    have in our service all the way to our
  • 1:03:51
    business model so didn't really answer
  • 1:03:53
    the well he dealt with the social media
  • 1:03:55
    question quite quick quick quickly it's
  • 1:03:57
    a it's a public square and people expect
  • 1:03:59
    the same type of actions they can take
  • 1:04:03
    on the public square although I would
  • 1:04:06
    wager to say because of anonymity people
  • 1:04:08
    actually show themselves their true
  • 1:04:10
    selves and being on Twitter is like
  • 1:04:11
    looking at your own anus because we're
  • 1:04:14
    all like that in to some degree but then
  • 1:04:16
    he goes into this very deep thinking
  • 1:04:18
    which we'll come back to later about
  • 1:04:19
    what exactly are we doing what are we
  • 1:04:21
    doing here now I don't know if you can
  • 1:04:23
    ever measure the health of a
  • 1:04:25
    conversation although you never know
  • 1:04:28
    what machine learning and AI can do
  • 1:04:33
    but I thought there was at least some
  • 1:04:34
    thinking and not now this being the bit
  • 1:04:42
    of timecode down I already have a couple
  • 1:04:48
    okay this being the foreign influence of
  • 1:04:52
    social media so you know how how do we
  • 1:04:55
    respond it's just kind of a general
  • 1:04:56
    response to are they working together we
  • 1:04:59
    collaborating are we doing everything
  • 1:05:01
    the minute we see bad actors are
  • 1:05:03
    actually a new term will pop up in a
  • 1:05:05
    moment whenever we see these bad actors
  • 1:05:08
    you know is we do we have systems in
  • 1:05:10
    place and man when you listen to this
  • 1:05:12
    and how they're all like agreeing with
  • 1:05:14
    each other and nodding and oh yeah yeah
  • 1:05:16
    we're all locked down I think where
  • 1:05:18
    collaboration has greatly increased
  • 1:05:20
    we've always worked closely with law
  • 1:05:21
    enforcement and we continue to do that
  • 1:05:23
    and particularly the FBI's new task
  • 1:05:25
    force forcibly shared information with
  • 1:05:27
    other companies but I think we are doing
  • 1:05:29
    better and we can continue to do better
  • 1:05:31
    mr. chairman you noted in your opening
  • 1:05:33
    remarks that some of the tips we got
  • 1:05:36
    from came from a private security firm
  • 1:05:37
    in our mind that's the system working
  • 1:05:40
    aha our opponents are very well-funded
  • 1:05:42
    they are very organized and we are going
  • 1:05:45
    to get those tips from law enforcement
  • 1:05:47
    from each other from private firms those
  • 1:05:53
    tips with each other the more the
  • 1:05:55
    stronger our collective defenses will be
  • 1:05:57
    you get too far away from what would
  • 1:06:00
    that was just that was just a little bit
  • 1:06:02
    of a rapport that our opponents yes
  • 1:06:05
    yeah that's opposed to me and the new
  • 1:06:08
    FBI task force that certainly is great
  • 1:06:11
    collaborating with them oh yeah but is
  • 1:06:14
    she mean by our opponents the Russians
  • 1:06:20
    you sure she doesn't mean Republicans
  • 1:06:22
    well she didn't say Russians she said
  • 1:06:25
    opponents so I think that she meant a
  • 1:06:27
    wide variety could be Republicans who
  • 1:06:31
    are influenced by Russians or who have
  • 1:06:34
    ever had a Russian dressing on their
  • 1:06:36
    salad I don't know those are her words
  • 1:06:38
    and they and she's pretty precise with
  • 1:06:42
    how she speaks this is old she's
  • 1:06:43
    rehearsed quite well
  • 1:06:45
    our opponents our opponents yes and we
  • 1:06:48
    have the specialist especially now this
  • 1:06:50
    really mean right we got to stop and I
  • 1:06:54
    want to look up this word we have to
  • 1:07:00
    assume that there's some something
  • 1:07:05
    within this definition
  • 1:07:11
    who compete okay if she says our
  • 1:07:14
    opponents yeah she says someone who it
  • 1:07:17
    says someone who competes against or
  • 1:07:19
    fights another in a contest game or
  • 1:07:23
    argument a rival or adversary yes I
  • 1:07:27
    think Russia fits in there but also
  • 1:07:29
    Republicans I think think Twitter fits
  • 1:07:31
    in yes actually when she when I first
  • 1:07:34
    heard this because you know you're
  • 1:07:36
    paying attention a lot of things the
  • 1:07:38
    same time I thought she was actually
  • 1:07:39
    talking about Twitter but then I went
  • 1:07:41
    back and she wasn't she was referring to
  • 1:07:44
    his opening comments about the attacks
  • 1:07:45
    on our democracy
  • 1:07:48
    tax on our democracy but we sure would
  • 1:07:50
    buy our Pony means the attacks on our
  • 1:07:52
    democracy I think so yeah buying one
  • 1:07:55
    hundred thousand dollars with the cheap
  • 1:07:56
    advertising that's kind of silly yes and
  • 1:07:58
    and the one hundred thousand dollars
  • 1:08:00
    again I'm sorry a week from today we'll
  • 1:08:03
    pull that apart that did come up and
  • 1:08:05
    it's important all right let me let me
  • 1:08:07
    move on because now we have a new term
  • 1:08:11
    as we're now going to talk about a
  • 1:08:14
    little more about what is permitted what
  • 1:08:17
    can and can't be done on the platform
  • 1:08:21
    and she has all kinds of interesting
  • 1:08:23
    terms you know very much like unindicted
  • 1:08:27
    co-conspirator which is what will go on
  • 1:08:29
    Donald Trump's tombstone if it's up to
  • 1:08:33
    the Democrats unindicted co-conspirator
  • 1:08:35
    who's pre dead at this moment be
  • 1:08:38
    precancerous so here we're going to talk
  • 1:08:43
    about well you'll hear it it's just new
  • 1:08:45
    terms and interesting stuff who what
  • 1:08:47
    what entity do you have in each of your
  • 1:08:49
    companies who make these determinations
  • 1:08:52
    our policy team is setting those and our
  • 1:08:54
    security team is finding them
  • 1:08:56
    uncoordinated inauthentic behavior this
  • 1:09:00
    is it this is this is her big thing
  • 1:09:02
    inauthentic behavior you want to look
  • 1:09:05
    something up what does that mean isn't
  • 1:09:07
    everybody by definition who's on
  • 1:09:09
    Facebook inauthentic that's the whole
  • 1:09:12
    game isn't it yes you're supposed to be
  • 1:09:14
    inauthentic look inauthentic take
  • 1:09:17
    pictures that are inauthentic posting
  • 1:09:19
    authentically in and once in a while say
  • 1:09:22
    Trump is a dick isn't isn't that what
  • 1:09:24
    everyone does that's the only
  • 1:09:26
    authenticity I'm seeing coordinated
  • 1:09:27
    inauthentic behavior means behavior on
  • 1:09:30
    our site that's inauthentic so people
  • 1:09:32
    are not representing themselves to be
  • 1:09:34
    who they are to be and coordinated me
  • 1:09:36
    they are presenting themselves who they
  • 1:09:41
    are to be not representing themselves to
  • 1:09:44
    be who they are to be who they are to be
  • 1:09:48
    they are to be who they ought to be from
  • 1:09:51
    arbie's who they are to be sandwich from
  • 1:09:52
    Arby's they're not representing
  • 1:09:55
    themselves to who they are who they
  • 1:09:57
    ought to be hablaba they are to be
  • 1:10:01
    okay so she you know she's trying to
  • 1:10:03
    explain inauthentic behavior I think she
  • 1:10:05
    means that they can't really and if they
  • 1:10:09
    think she even refers to it they can't
  • 1:10:10
    really track if someone's being
  • 1:10:12
    inauthentic which I guess means I'm a
  • 1:10:14
    Russian spy covering as the hot girl in
  • 1:10:18
    a bikini on Facebook I think that's what
  • 1:10:20
    she means Savior means behavior on our
  • 1:10:23
    site that's inauthentic so people are
  • 1:10:25
    not representing themselves to be who
  • 1:10:27
    they are to be and coordinated means
  • 1:10:29
    they are coordinating and they can be
  • 1:10:31
    coordinating with authentic actors and
  • 1:10:33
    coordinating with inauthentic actors I
  • 1:10:35
    need a roadmap for this I don't know who
  • 1:10:38
    can I coordinate with you I mean
  • 1:10:40
    authentic bro sorry
  • 1:10:41
    both are unacceptable it something that
  • 1:10:45
    is easy to recognize people unanimous
  • 1:10:49
    about her you wind up with debates as to
  • 1:10:51
    whether or not okay is that guy for real
  • 1:10:53
    isn't that it's not the only unanswered
  • 1:10:56
    question ever certain platforms should
  • 1:10:58
    be shut down I think on a lot of issues
  • 1:11:00
    like hate speech there's broad debate
  • 1:11:03
    when it comes to what is an inauthentic
  • 1:11:05
    actor which is a fake account posing as
  • 1:11:07
    someone they're hard to find but once we
  • 1:11:10
    find them we know what they are who sets
  • 1:11:12
    these Sanders stay same committee the
  • 1:11:16
    same group of people and and just for
  • 1:11:19
    context she said quite clearly it's I
  • 1:11:21
    don't have it in this clip that Facebook
  • 1:11:24
    is not in the business of determining
  • 1:11:25
    what is fact or false what is true or
  • 1:11:29
    false or fake news or fact or fact check
  • 1:11:32
    false whatever the hell it is it's false
  • 1:11:34
    that they use third-party independent or
  • 1:11:38
    independent third parties for that which
  • 1:11:40
    means the independent fact check network
  • 1:11:44
    which includes such luminary members as
  • 1:11:48
    the Daily Caller foundation Tucker
  • 1:11:51
    Carlson's thing head to Snopes so you
  • 1:11:55
    know I don't know what can come out of
  • 1:11:56
    that but okay fine well give me give me
  • 1:11:59
    some examples of standards that are
  • 1:12:00
    unacceptable in the coordinated and
  • 1:12:03
    authentic behavior or in general in
  • 1:12:05
    general yeah so we publish our community
  • 1:12:07
    standards comprehensively and what that
  • 1:12:09
    does is to find what's permitted on
  • 1:12:11
    Facebook and what's not okay here we
  • 1:12:13
    finally what's permitted and what's not
  • 1:12:15
    okay permit it on Facebook so some
  • 1:12:18
    examples are bullying is not permitted
  • 1:12:20
    bullying hate is not permitted hate is
  • 1:12:23
    not permitted not hate speech hate is
  • 1:12:25
    not permitted hey don't a language that
  • 1:12:28
    leads to violence is not permitted and
  • 1:12:31
    this is published in detail publicly
  • 1:12:33
    publicly we publish that publicly hate
  • 1:12:36
    is not allowed this is what is left of
  • 1:12:40
    your social network if hate is not
  • 1:12:41
    allowed hate speech okay we've we've
  • 1:12:44
    tried to define that not legally but now
  • 1:12:46
    just hate so if I go on Facebook I hate
  • 1:12:48
    this guy am I in violation violation yes
  • 1:12:53
    yes you are if you hate President Trump
  • 1:12:55
    you you're in violation
  • 1:12:57
    everybody are they all hate there is a
  • 1:12:59
    room there is a Facebook group when I
  • 1:13:01
    was last on it you know when was that
  • 1:13:03
    March um and that is called I hate
  • 1:13:07
    Donald Trump
  • 1:13:09
    that should be not allowed well then
  • 1:13:11
    obviously one of the senators would
  • 1:13:13
    bring that up final clip for this is and
  • 1:13:18
    we're now coming back round to the
  • 1:13:20
    incentives and you will hear Samberg was
  • 1:13:23
    said I don't know did I even put Samberg
  • 1:13:25
    in this she has no vision just bad nose
  • 1:13:29
    job and Dorsey he's thinking deep about
  • 1:13:32
    it I want to get to the basic issue of
  • 1:13:36
    whether our incentives in this case are
  • 1:13:41
    aligned to deal with these challenges
  • 1:13:42
    and by the way I'm pretty sure that
  • 1:13:45
    Dorsey because of the jack comment that
  • 1:13:47
    he coordinated this with with the
  • 1:13:49
    chairman but this is where they're going
  • 1:13:51
    towards incentives and how the social
  • 1:13:54
    networks are responsible for a lot of
  • 1:13:56
    this bad behavior and this is a setup
  • 1:13:59
    I'm not sure how they're gonna play it
  • 1:14:01
    out I think it's way too complicated for
  • 1:14:03
    most but I think that's what's going on
  • 1:14:05
    if your users were to lose conference
  • 1:14:07
    confidence in your platforms in the
  • 1:14:10
    authenticity of what you mr. Dorsey
  • 1:14:13
    called a public square I might call it a
  • 1:14:16
    digital public square Wow inventive I
  • 1:14:19
    assume there'd be very serious economic
  • 1:14:22
    implications for your companies do you
  • 1:14:25
    think the the incentives have aligned
  • 1:14:27
    for platform providers of all types in
  • 1:14:31
    the digital space to want to get at
  • 1:14:34
    these issues and have a plan and be able
  • 1:14:36
    to respond in real time miss Hamburg and
  • 1:14:39
    then you mr. Dorsey absolutely Trust is
  • 1:14:43
    the cornerstone of our business people
  • 1:14:45
    have to trust that what they see on
  • 1:14:46
    facebook is authentic people have to
  • 1:14:49
    trust that this is a positive force for
  • 1:14:51
    democracy and the things they care about
  • 1:14:52
    and so this has been a huge issue for us
  • 1:14:56
    and that's why we're here today and
  • 1:14:57
    that's why we're gonna keep working to
  • 1:14:59
    get ahead of these threats and make sure
  • 1:15:02
    we can minimize all of this activity mr.
  • 1:15:04
    chairman I just want you know we at
  • 1:15:06
    Facebook we're all on board
  • 1:15:07
    do you like my tight sweater I mean
  • 1:15:09
    seriously is that her vision is that is
  • 1:15:12
    that how concerned she is very
  • 1:15:15
    disappointing short Facebook
  • 1:15:17
    our incentives are on lines but I do
  • 1:15:20
    believe it goes a lot deeper than just
  • 1:15:22
    the alignment of our company incentives
  • 1:15:25
    with this committee and the American
  • 1:15:26
    people I believe we need to question the
  • 1:15:29
    fundamental incentives are in our
  • 1:15:33
    product today yes this time someone
  • 1:15:35
    opens up our service every time someone
  • 1:15:37
    opens up our app we are implicitly
  • 1:15:40
    incentivizing them to do something or
  • 1:15:42
    not to do something and that extends all
  • 1:15:44
    the way to our business and those
  • 1:15:47
    answers that we get from asking that
  • 1:15:50
    question are going to create massive
  • 1:15:52
    shifts in how Twitter operates and I
  • 1:15:55
    also believe how our industry operates
  • 1:15:57
    so what worked 12 years ago does not
  • 1:16:00
    work today it hasn't evolved fast enough
  • 1:16:03
    but I think it's a layer many many many
  • 1:16:07
    many layers deeper than these surface
  • 1:16:10
    symptoms that we often find ourselves
  • 1:16:13
    discussing I like his answer
  • 1:16:18
    yeah you're you're gonna bromance with I
  • 1:16:21
    yeah yeah and I'm no fan of Jack Dorsey
  • 1:16:23
    we know he probably dislikes me I'm not
  • 1:16:27
    verified have asked to have never even
  • 1:16:29
    gotten a straight-up answer people have
  • 1:16:32
    asked on my behalf still do I don't want
  • 1:16:33
    it anymore
  • 1:16:34
    because then I will have to leave
  • 1:16:35
    Twitter because it's the mark of the
  • 1:16:36
    beast because it's the mark of the
  • 1:16:38
    um but I like what he says here no and I
  • 1:16:42
    and he is I say it's gonna change
  • 1:16:45
    massively and I think not to their
  • 1:16:48
    benefit I think he realizes that
  • 1:16:52
    squares what he's thinking damn crying I
  • 1:16:55
    got into that business
  • 1:16:56
    yeah that was a smart move ah as far as
  • 1:17:03
    I'm concerned
  • 1:17:04
    Twitter was always the invention of M
  • 1:17:06
    head Robin Williams right who invented
  • 1:17:10
    blogger made you know he's worth a
  • 1:17:13
    billion dollars was blogging it was all
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    based on RSS
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    that's what Twitter were originally it
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    was a podcast platform blogger no no it
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    was a podcast but it was oh do
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    od Allah came Twitter odyo was the
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    podcast competitor to me vo but they had
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    a platform and we just had content don't
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    you remember no yeah oh do and then they
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    never really launched and they turned
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    they came up with this follow thing
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    which I think they had in their podcast
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    environment and that became Twitter and
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    then podcasting just went in the crapper
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    for 10 years because then we had social
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    nets and that was the the next next new
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    new new big thing you're not sure of
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    this da I know my history my friend and
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    we discussed it on the show we discussed
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    it on the show well with that I'd like
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    to thank you for your courage to say in
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    the morning to you John say you dance
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    for Charles Dvorak you're welcome
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    all wait I'm sorry well in the brain to
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    you too mr. Adam curry also eldership
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    sassy boots on the ground feet in the
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    air sons in the water and all the names
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    and I said and in the morning to the
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    troll room no agenda stream calm good to
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    see it all the trolls here and in a good
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    mood today
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    everyone's I think everyone had a lot of
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    fun watching c-span yeah was real we're
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    an energetic Bunch we are we watch
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    c-span as a group and in the morning to
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    Nick the rat who was awarded the the
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    choice of pick for album art for episode
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    1065 the tiger got headed of weekly flux
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    capacitor was the title of of the show
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    and this was Comey James Comey looking
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    at his laundry line of drying
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    counterfeit money or not counterfeit
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    washed money laundered laundered
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    laundered I'm sorry white washed
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    laundered money as we and you know it
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    was interesting because I just read and
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    we're talking about we have the military
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    intelligence versus the CIA central
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    intelligence versus the CIA central
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    we have Democrats Republicans you know
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    now of course we have Nike versus Adidas
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    because Nikes got Kaepernick and adidas
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    has Kanye and we have the bank's poor
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    laundering money drug money typically
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    and then you have the real estate guys
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    like Trump who launder money through
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    what we use
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    just call commerce just doing private
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    transactions but now we always think of
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    everything is a crime who cares well I
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    don't care where you got your money from
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    you want to buy this apartment good here
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    you go
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    so Trump is just laughing his ass off
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    and they hate him for it and I just read
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    that ing and the Netherlands just paid a
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    seven hundred and seventy five million
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    euro claim or if a fine to the Europeans
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    I guess the central bank I know where
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    this ended to the EU before money
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    laundering drug money laundering because
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    they weren't paying close enough
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    attention to the deposits you see I did
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    some research on this to figure out how
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    to do money laundering as a real estate
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    guy you means some job research turns
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    out it's a good one it turns out to be a
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    very good one and you can the reason is
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    because it's essentially legal
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    completely legal you do not have
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    breaking any laws by being a money
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    launderer if we could want to call him
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    that if we even assume were correct in
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    our assumptions which I believe we are
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    and that is because the restrictions on
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    banks taken in cash and not reporting it
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    drug companies and stuff still powdery
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    as one thing and you have to redo all
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    these reporting's and for example even
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    when we make a money transfer if it's if
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    you I wait way too long it gets over a
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    certain amount it gets reported to the
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