Art for episode 1132

1132: False meme-ification

Adam Curry & John C. Dvorak

2h 46m
April 25th, 2019
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Executive Producers: Grand Duke Nussbaum for the Pacific North West, Kendra Hartsell

Associate Executive Producers: John Kresic, James Martin, Dame G$

Cover Art by Bradley Selsor

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Start of Show
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Joe Biden Announces 2020 Presidential Campaign
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3:19
BlacKkKlansman
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8:47
2020 Elections
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9:55
Pete Buttigieg Appearance on CNN Town Hall
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12:29
Hillary Clinton Appearance at Time 100 Summit
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14:55
Attorney Joe diGenova Freaks Out After Krystal Ball Implied William Barr Lied
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17:19
Elizabeth Warren
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18:57
The Last Refuge: The Obama Use of FISA-702 as a Domestic Political Surveillance Program
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28:22
Bob Woodward Re-Iterates Steele Dossier is Garbage
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33:38
Tech & Society with Mark Zuckerberg
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35:05
Horowitz Estimates There Are 500,000 Podcasts
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37:05
Luminary Monetization Strategy
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40:40
Gimlet Media Recognizes Staff Union
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41:35
British Podcast Awards
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43:14
Anzac Day
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45:20
Chernobyl
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50:56
Netflix's Our Planet Show
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55:12
Nature Research Study Finds Permafrost Will Cost Us $70 Trillion
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56:24
Energy Policy Institute: Renewable Portfolio Standards Reduce Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Emissions, But at a High Cost, Study Finds
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1:00:34
Sri Lanka Easter Bombings
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1:14:27
UN Security Councel Alters Language Used in Sexual Violence Resolution After Pressure From US
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1:16:06
Sri Lanka Government Apologizes for Intelligence Failures During Terror Attacks
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1:18:08
Credits
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1:31:36
Scott Adams
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1:32:26
AC's Washing Machine Delivery
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1:34:44
2020 Presidential Candidate Amy Klobuchar Tells the Audience to Cheer
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1:36:25
Dallas County DA Stops Pursuing Prosecutions of Low-Level Crimes
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1:41:04
Native Advertisement by NPR About the Sharing Economy
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1:50:39
Deadly Floods After Heavy Rain in Durban, South Africa
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1:51:16
Japan Apologizes and Promises Compensation to Victims of Forced Sterilization Under Eugenics Protection Law
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1:52:46
The New York Times: Navy SEALs Were Warned Against Reporting Their Chief for War Crimes
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1:54:18
Nipsey Hussle
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2:01:33
Comedian Volodymyr Zelenskiy Wins Ukraine Presidential Elections
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2:06:07
Merriam-Webster Adds 640 New Words to Dictionary
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2:10:52
Donations
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2:15:19
Birthdays, Meetups & Title Changes
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2:20:03
Amnesty International: 37 Put To Death in Shocking Execution Spree by Saudi Arabia
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2:21:33
Secretary of State Mike Pompeo's Closed-Door Meeting with Iranian-American Community Leaders
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2:23:06
Hasan Minhaj Calls Out Jared Kushner Over His Connection to MBS
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2:25:12
United Nations Reports More Civilians Killed by Afghan Forces Than Taliban
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2:25:50
Israel Prime Minister Netanyahu Wants to Name a Golan Heights Settlement After President Trump
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2:27:06
Judicial Watch: FBI Admits Hillary Clinton Emails Found in Obama White House
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2:28:52
Empire Cast Publish Letter Defending Jussie Smollett
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2:30:19
Untitled
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2:32:07
Bernie Sanders Calls For Voting Rights for Prisoners
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2:34:29
Worldwide Measles Outbreaks
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2:36:05
Court Documents Reveal 12 Thousand Allegations of Sexual Abuse Against Boy Scouts of America Volunteers
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2:39:07
That's True
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2:40:10
US Treasury Delays Decision to Release Trump's Tax Returns
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2:41:32
End of Show
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    many producers home we're what what did
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    you say
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    post Zephyr oh now you were really soft
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    there for a moment your live stream yes
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    yes we we now have Joe Biden in the race
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    yeah it's about time yeah who I call
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    spike Biden spike spike spike the ball
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    yeah spike Biden because he's telling
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    Ally lie spike okay look I get the joke
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    well I'm going to of course you don't
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    because I'm going to unpack that for you
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    Joe Biden announced this morning that
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    he's running for the 2020 presidential
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    election and here's what he's running on
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    Charlottesville Virginia is home to the
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    author of one of the great documents in
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    human history we know by heart we hold
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    these truths to be self-evident that all
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    men are created equal endowed by their
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    creator with certain inalienable rights
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    we've heard us so often it's almost a
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    cliche but it's who we are we haven't
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    always lived up to these ideals
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    Jefferson himself didn't
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    never before walked away from them
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    Charlotte Sowell is also home to a
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    defining moment for this nation in the
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    last few years it was there in August of
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    2017 we saw Klansmen and white
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    supremacists and neo-nazis come out in
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    the open through crazed faces
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    illuminated by torches veins bulging
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    than burying the fangs of racism
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    chanting the same anti-semitic by alert
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    across Europe in the 30s
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    and they were met by a courageous group
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    of Americans in a violent clash ensue
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    and a brave young woman lost her life
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    and that's when we heard the words the
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    president knighted States that stunned
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    the world and shocked the conscience of
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    this nation if she said there were quote
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    some very fine people on both sides and
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    very fine people on both sides those
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    words the president United States
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    assigned a moral equivalence between
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    those spreading hate than those of the
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    courage to stand against it and in that
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    moment I knew the threat to this nation
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    was unlike any I had ever seen in my
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    lifetime okay so this goes on for
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    another two minutes Joe is running on
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    the lie that the president insinuated
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    that some neo-nazis are very fine people
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    and the reason I call him spike Biden is
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    because I finally got to finish the
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    black Klansmen movie and I told you that
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    I hadn't finished yet didn't know it was
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    18 hours long and but I said there's all
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    this Trump stuff that's you know all
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    these little quotes like rapists and
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    murderers and things that are coming
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    directly from him that he slipped into
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    the dialogue and at the end of the movie
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    I know you haven't seen it and I have a
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    feeling not many people have seen the
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    whole movie
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    no one is 18 hours long there's a good
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    reason I'll tell you because I I
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    mentioned this on the last episode
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    no one emailed me or tweeted me and said
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    oh wait until you get to the end of the
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    movie and so this was so incredibly
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    dishonest so the movie kind of ends and
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    then there's this you know long tunnel
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    like shot you know one of those where
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    the background moves really fast and the
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    two people in the foreground are
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    standing there and then it goes into
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    this montage
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    you had a group on one side that was bad
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    and you had a group on the other side
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    that was also very violent not all of
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    those people were neo-nazis believe me
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    not all of those people were white
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    supremacist but you also had people that
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    were
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    very fine people because I believe that
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    today in Charlotte so this is a first
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    step
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    that's David Duke by the way so it goes
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    from very fine people very fine people
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    were there and it goes straight to David
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    Duke know what is wrong with well wait
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    for it what is really wrong with this a
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    couple things one so they date these
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    scenes and you see the the torch the the
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    torches and the Jews will not replace us
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    yeah and then it goes into an tyfa
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    clashing with you know the white
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    supremacists and it's not a black bed so
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    the whole movies about black and there's
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    a side story of a jew cup i'm just
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    saying it that way because that's how i
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    said in the movie so that so there's
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    kind of a side story and then it goes
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    but it's really all about this you know
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    65 66 67 the equal rights
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    you know how blacks were discriminated
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    against it the whole movie is that of
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    course about the Klan but it's all white
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    people you see and then they then but
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    they title it Charlottesville April I
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    August 11th 2017 and then they show
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    Trump at Trump Tower it's also titled
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    with a with a lower third august 12 2017
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    that's a lie first of all because his
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    initial reaction that Trump gave his
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    initial statement which was not the
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    press conference at Trump Tower was on
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    August 12th but this was August 15th
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    when he gave this speech so you just
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    heard the wealth in fact I'm gonna just
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    roll that back just a tiny bit so you
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    can just hear again because he he took a
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    piece then put in some more footage and
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    then went into the quote and then
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    chopped it off so again this is a first
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    sorry that was David Duke already here
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    we go so very violent
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    not all of those people who were
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    neo-nazis believe me not all of those
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    people were white supremacist and you
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    also had people that were very fine
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    people and they go straight into David
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    Duke here's the original but you also
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    had people that were very fine people on
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    both sides
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    you had people in that group excuse me
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    excuse me I saw the same pictures as you
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    did you had people in that group that
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    were there to protest the taking down of
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    to them a very very important statue and
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    the renaming of a park from Roberts all
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    that was taken out Lee to another name
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    so you know what it's fine you're
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    changing history you're changing culture
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    and you had people and I'm not talking
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    about the neo-nazis and the white
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    nationalist because they should be
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    condemned
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    totally but you had many people in that
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    group other than neo-nazis and white
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    nationalists okay and the press has
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    treated them absolutely unfairly now in
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    the other group also you had some fine
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    people but you also had troublemakers
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    and you see them come with a with the
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    black outfits and with the helmets and
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    with the baseball bats you got a you had
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    a lot of bad you had a lot of bad people
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    in the other group so I think it's a
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    little bit out of context well of course
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    this has been thematic and of course the
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    systemic with our shows principles which
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    is that once they get a take create a
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    mean that that's false they're forever
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    mean it's therefore minification yeah is
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    what they do and then they stick with it
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    no matter how many times you bring out
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    the real the real quotes which include
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    this discreet against the the fascists
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    or the Nazis for Joe Biden
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    to be running on that out of the gate is
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    Joe Biden see obviously idiot well he
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    must believe this and be the people who
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    are advising him must believe this so I
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    think they do believe it no one's ever
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    bothered to actually look into it
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    they're just going with their good but
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    that's what the public thinks anyway so
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    what well and and this is not about
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    Donald Trump this is I've been through
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    this I've had this happen to me you've
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    had this happen to you when you get
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    certain things that just become truth
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    forever and ever I always like to point
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    it out
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    when people say Oh Dvorak's it the mouse
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    is stupid there we were - no he said
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    there's no evidence at the time there
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    was no evidence no this is 1984 right so
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    I I want to defend that defend it for
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    you I defend it for anybody but to have
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    Joe Biden running on that out of the
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    gate I'm sure that's not his only his
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    only point but man
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    well he's but besides that and all the
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    baggage he's actually on my list of
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    contenders listen post on a cosmic
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    weenie
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    I bumped him down because of them I
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    think he's gonna keep getting bumped
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    down oh really
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    because Bernie's at the top oh right I
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    doll the pole say AHA Biden's even ahead
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    of Trump now lies and what about mayor
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    Pete he's moving up mate well mayor Pete
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    had a very you know your whole theory by
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    the way about that is right on the money
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    and you can see him moving up there's
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    this big story today and they said with
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    all these fine women Kamala Harris and
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    Warren and yeah as I mentioned Clinton
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    but they'd mentioned somebody else yes a
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    little bit shark yes all these fine
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    women running how come mayor Peters
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    shooting past them in the polls well
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    could it be this you can call it
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    whatever you like this is about
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    sanctuary cities from the CNN Town Hall
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    you can call it whatever you like
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    that's our policy we're a welcoming city
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    and I guess the president thinks America
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    is full we're not I would be delighted
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    to have more people we have a population
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    growth strategy in our city our city was
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    built for a hundred and thirty thousand
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    people but you know we only have a
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    hundred thousand because so many people
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    left after the auto factories collapsed
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    in a hundred thousand what kind of this
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    is not a city this is a Hamlet Hamlet
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    the sixties we got plenty of room for
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    more residents and taxpayers who want to
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    help fund the snow plowing and the
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    firefighters that I got to have for a
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    hundred thirty thousand people's worth
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    the city with only a hundred thousand
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    people to pay for it and let us not
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    forget
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    that in many respects from property
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    taxes to sales taxes undocumented
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    immigrants are taxpayers and the truth
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    is in many respects because they are not
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    eligible for a lot of benefits they are
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    subsidizing the rest of us which is just
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    one more reason you got to get this
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    sorted out
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    thank you illegal aliens thank you thank
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    you for subsidizing my life it's so
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    appreciated guys hi cities I think of
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    like Mexico City you know 14 million
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    yeah I mean most Austin's barely a city
  • 11:47
    yeah where's Austin's population on
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    million we got a million yes a million
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    yeah that's at least at least and
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    they're all interested then you're right
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    I Hamlet he's run a small town big for a
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    lot but he has a positive what he calls
  • 12:04
    a positive growth strategy which would
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    be I don't know encourage people to have
  • 12:08
    children
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    no that would be make it a
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    family-friendly city that would do it
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    now there's an idea family bring his
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    families there's an idea we're trying to
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    be family unfriendly in Austin oh yeah
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    be dog friendly oh my goodness
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    stop with the dogs um so you were
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    tracking Hillary who did not did she do
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    an op-ed she's starting to bury heads
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    popping up every which way she's making
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    commentary everywhere I didn't see an
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    op-ed but I'm sure she's done - I think
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    she wrote an op-ed and she was on stage
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    at some time magazine event and oh I
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    have a clip the hundred most influential
  • 12:51
    pile of it Oh is she in that is she and
  • 12:53
    she must be I don't know - must I didn't
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    look at the list here's what she's a
  • 12:58
    firewall and here's what she had to say
  • 12:59
    about of all things my goodness the
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    Mueller report before leaving Muller
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    your lawyer
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    you're a lawyer disbarred but yeah
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    you're a lawyer did Donald Trump
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    obstruct justice as you read the
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    incidences as Muller lays them out well
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    I think there's enough there that any
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    other person who had engaged in those
  • 13:28
    acts would certainly have been indicted
  • 13:33
    but because of the the rule in the
  • 13:36
    Justice Department that you can't indict
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    a sitting president the whole matter of
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    obstruction was very directly sent to
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    the Congress I mean if you read that
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    part of the report it could not be
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    clearer I mean I you know as I read it
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    basically what I thought it was saying
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    is look we think he obstructed justice
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    here are 11-plus of why we think he
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    instructed justice but we're under the
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    control of the Justice Department and
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    their rule is you can't indict but we do
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    have checks and balances in America and
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    there is this thing called the Congress
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    I mean you could not be any more
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    explicit then please look at this you
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    may look at it and conclude it doesn't
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    rise to an impeachable offense that's
  • 14:23
    your job
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    but I'm giving this to you well quite
  • 14:32
    the opposite is in fact true as the I
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    think was the Attorney General was at
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    Muller was asked specifically now the
  • 14:44
    Attorney General was asked specifically
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    if there was no indictment on
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    obstruction of justice because you can't
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    indict a sitting president that to which
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    he answered no several times this came
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    up on with crystal ball which i think is
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    a great radio name but she's on what is
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    she on I think she's on he bitched about
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    her before she used to be on MSN I miss
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    my regular with your buddy terrain I yes
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    well now she's on hill TV and she had
  • 15:12
    Jody Genoa on as a guest and it hilarity
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    ensued we shall say but it starts off
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    with exactly this point
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    bar said he asked molar three separate
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    times did you base your decision on the
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    fact that a sitting president cannot be
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    indicted and Muller said I did not it
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    literally says here are the
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    considerations of Justinian is Muller a
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    liar I'm asking if bar as a liar is
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    really the questionnaire because it
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    sounds very clearly here would have
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    brought charges but I can't bring just
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    said don't you dare suggest that bill
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    borrows a wire I've known him for 30
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    years he's one of the finest lawyers
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    this country has ever produced he came
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    back out of retirement to serve this
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    country there's not one shred of
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    evidence that anything he said either
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    the other day or now or today was a lie
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    don't ever say that in front of me about
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    Bill Maher you have no evidence that he
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    lied and you know it I'm telling you
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    you said he may have lied what I'm
  • 16:25
    telling you is that what he said that
  • 16:27
    today in the press conference is
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    inconsistent with what's in there that's
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    not a lie that's okay fine it's not
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    national television calling the Attorney
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    General a liar I didn't say that you
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    suggested it very strongly all right I
  • 16:42
    think we're done here I think we are
  • 16:44
    good that's the best kind of television
  • 16:50
    though I love it is it really is that
  • 16:54
    people love to see yeah catfight that's
  • 16:56
    what you want man yeah no but the host
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    for one thing the host can't handle that
  • 17:02
    it's about her she's sensitive before we
  • 17:07
    get into a very she's playing a role
  • 17:09
    MSNBC game there and this guy was just
  • 17:11
    like putting it on while he's playing
  • 17:12
    his fox game isn't he on Fox all the
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    time did you know well yeah I think so I
  • 17:16
    think so Fox guys think before I move
  • 17:20
    into any collusion I got a text just
  • 17:24
    before the show and this is something
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    for your
  • 17:28
    for your cosmic weeny rundown this is
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    from one of the Millennials and she says
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    just say no frontrunner for my age group
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    and education level is Elizabeth Warren
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    and to which I and of course I was
  • 17:44
    dealing with the mic issues and so I I
  • 17:46
    texted back well of course you know no
  • 17:50
    no more debt and you got a little
  • 17:52
    offended because you know it's just a
  • 17:53
    text no no I'm agreeing with you yes
  • 17:56
    this is exactly what we're all saying we
  • 17:58
    have tens of thousands of dollars worth
  • 18:00
    of debt we'll vote for someone to get to
  • 18:02
    remove that the question is can she
  • 18:05
    motivate them to vote well if once they
  • 18:11
    realize that she's full of crap she is a
  • 18:14
    do-nothing senator she has never done
  • 18:16
    anything she talks a big game and if
  • 18:19
    you're gonna be suckered by somebody
  • 18:21
    just talking a big girl when they talked
  • 18:24
    a big game I'm gonna vote for her then
  • 18:26
    it's a problem you've got but it's not
  • 18:28
    she's not viable as a candidate with
  • 18:31
    that platform
  • 18:36
    attention though I guess lots of it I
  • 18:37
    understand it I feel like yes please get
  • 18:42
    rid of my debt absolutely has no future
  • 18:46
    or the future seemed someone get rid of
  • 18:49
    Rachel the robo caller even though she
  • 18:53
    tried rachel the robo caller so you
  • 18:57
    tweeted something very important the
  • 18:59
    other day I did yes you did
  • 19:01
    I need more followers it was a it was a
  • 19:06
    deconstruction of the written transcript
  • 19:12
    or maybe it was the record of the fisa
  • 19:16
    renewal hearing which took place in was
  • 19:22
    that 2017 I think no no remember the end
  • 19:25
    of 2017 and it was with Admiral Rogers
  • 19:31
    who run and I'm gonna try and paraphrase
  • 19:35
    it but what comes out of this report is
  • 19:39
    the real reason for the Russia a
  • 19:43
    collusion mean and and I'm just going to
  • 19:48
    help me out here because I did pull two
  • 19:49
    clips just to accentuate it but in
  • 19:52
    general around 2016 Rogers discovered
  • 19:57
    that there were consultants inside the
  • 19:59
    NSA database and they were either
  • 20:02
    directly doing so-called about queries
  • 20:05
    which means you can just take a phone
  • 20:07
    number or an IP address and say hey
  • 20:09
    click box 17 tell me who this is then it
  • 20:13
    will spit that back and then that was
  • 20:15
    being exported outside of the NSA to
  • 20:18
    again you know in contractors is not all
  • 20:20
    that uncommon at Snowden was a
  • 20:22
    contractor as an example and so it came
  • 20:26
    to light that this was taking place and
  • 20:28
    it turns out it was yes give you a
  • 20:31
    little more backup Rogers noticed just
  • 20:35
    to read honest dailies what was that the
  • 20:38
    numbers for of these queries had
  • 20:40
    skyrocket yeah let's play that clip and
  • 20:42
    then this is exactly what are you saying
  • 20:44
    this is senator Lankford who of course
  • 20:47
    understand this
  • 20:49
    all showboating so he he knows exactly
  • 20:51
    what he's asking and Rodgers knows
  • 20:52
    exactly what he's answering had more
  • 20:54
    Rodgers this spring NSA decided to stop
  • 20:57
    doing about queries that was a long
  • 21:02
    conversation that's happened there it's
  • 21:03
    now come out in the public about that
  • 21:05
    conversation that that was identified as
  • 21:07
    a problem the court agreed with that and
  • 21:09
    that has been stopped what I need to ask
  • 21:10
    you is who first identified that as a
  • 21:13
    problem the National Security Agency did
  • 21:16
    okay so how did you report that reported
  • 21:19
    that to WHO how did that conversation go
  • 21:21
    once you identified we were in
  • 21:23
    comfortable at this time so in 2016 I
  • 21:26
    had directed our office of compliance
  • 21:28
    let's do a fundamental baseline review
  • 21:30
    of compliance associated with 702 okay
  • 21:32
    we complete that that effort my memory
  • 21:34
    is I was briefed on something like
  • 21:37
    October the 20th that led me to believe
  • 21:40
    the technical solution that we put in
  • 21:42
    place is not working with the
  • 21:43
    reliability that's necessary right then
  • 21:45
    from memory and ahead through went to
  • 21:48
    the Department of Justice and then on to
  • 21:49
    the FISA Court at the end of October I
  • 21:51
    think it was something like the 26th of
  • 21:53
    October and we informed the court we
  • 21:55
    have a compliance issue here and we're
  • 21:56
    concerned that there's an underlying
  • 21:58
    issue with the technical solution we put
  • 22:01
    in place we told the court we're gonna
  • 22:02
    need some period of time to work our way
  • 22:04
    through that the court granted us that
  • 22:06
    time in return the court also said we
  • 22:09
    will allow you to continue 702 under the
  • 22:12
    16 authorizations but we will not will
  • 22:14
    not reauthorize 17 until you show us
  • 22:17
    that you have addressed this so what he
  • 22:19
    was seeing was and and this is follow up
  • 22:21
    clip to this what he was seeing was a
  • 22:23
    high number of errors occurring based
  • 22:26
    upon people doing and about query and he
  • 22:30
    felt that the about query is really
  • 22:32
    that's close to unmasking in this
  • 22:35
    database and according to section 702 is
  • 22:38
    not allowed to be used to spy on
  • 22:41
    American citizens in the u.s. American
  • 22:44
    citizens abroad foreign nationals in the
  • 22:47
    u.s. also not allowed to spy on them
  • 22:49
    that can only be incidental the
  • 22:52
    unmasking if you're tracking someone in
  • 22:56
    another country not a US national who
  • 22:58
    happens to be talking about or to an
  • 23:00
    American
  • 23:01
    that could be inside the United States
  • 23:04
    and that would be accidental and here's
  • 23:07
    what happened when you say greater
  • 23:08
    reliability to know what you mean by
  • 23:09
    that
  • 23:10
    because it was generating ears our
  • 23:12
    office of in compliance highlighted the
  • 23:15
    specific number of cases in 2016 and I
  • 23:18
    thought to myself clearly it's not
  • 23:20
    working as we think it is we were doing
  • 23:23
    queries unknowingly to the operator and
  • 23:26
    a handful of situations against us
  • 23:30
    person that I just say that is not in
  • 23:32
    accordance with the intent of the law
  • 23:35
    yeah clearly clearly it's not not only
  • 23:37
    the intent its actual styrax right else
  • 23:39
    that's that we protect us persons from
  • 23:42
    this nurses foreign directed so what I'm
  • 23:45
    hearing from you is the accountability
  • 23:47
    system worked yes sir that the issue
  • 23:51
    rose up we're collecting we do have
  • 23:53
    information on us persons we don't want
  • 23:56
    to get that information a bill
  • 23:57
    immediately the process started going
  • 23:59
    through to be able to stop it the court
  • 24:01
    didn't put the final stop on it it was
  • 24:03
    corrected and then that's now cleared
  • 24:05
    yes there and in fact were purging the
  • 24:06
    data as well not only stopped doing it
  • 24:08
    but we're purging the data that we had
  • 24:10
    collected under the previous
  • 24:12
    authorization so what did not come out
  • 24:14
    in this hearing but was in this written
  • 24:16
    transcript and links in the show notes
  • 24:18
    was a fantastic breakdown by was that
  • 24:22
    the conservative tree house was that a
  • 24:23
    Breitbart
  • 24:24
    operation who is that I have no idea
  • 24:27
    something like that is that so that
  • 24:30
    ability stopped at the end of 2016
  • 24:32
    because something was it was being
  • 24:34
    abused and they shut it down but what we
  • 24:37
    find out is this had been going on since
  • 24:40
    2012 and the and the only explanation
  • 24:43
    for that is that the Obama
  • 24:47
    administration most likely with State
  • 24:50
    Department were spying on all kinds of
  • 24:53
    Americans since 2012 all of a sudden it
  • 24:56
    stopped
  • 24:57
    that's when Hillary writes in an email
  • 24:59
    we're all going to hang together because
  • 25:02
    spying on Americans will send you to
  • 25:05
    jail for a long time and the insurance
  • 25:08
    policy that page and strucked spoke
  • 25:10
    about was not
  • 25:13
    to stop Donald Trump from becoming
  • 25:15
    president it was to insert the steel
  • 25:18
    dossier into the spying they had already
  • 25:20
    done as justification so that the spying
  • 25:24
    would not come aboveboard then all of a
  • 25:28
    sudden she didn't because she didn't
  • 25:29
    become president they trigger the the
  • 25:32
    so-called insurance policy and then
  • 25:34
    they're able to bring in Bob Muller who
  • 25:37
    knows this extremely well he's been a
  • 25:40
    part of of how the system works in fact
  • 25:42
    he was he also oversaw the prism system
  • 25:46
    which started as promised do you
  • 25:48
    remember the promise system it was a
  • 25:51
    silly as I do remember it vaguely it was
  • 25:53
    a Silicon Valley company called ins law
  • 25:55
    and they developed this database that
  • 25:58
    they licensed to the NSA and FBI and Bob
  • 26:02
    Millar was overseeing it and the people
  • 26:05
    were throwing everything in here then
  • 26:07
    they loved it it became this massive
  • 26:09
    massive collection of VIN numbers on
  • 26:13
    cars and now house titles and credit
  • 26:15
    cards and everyone's just jamming it in
  • 26:17
    there it was really the the precursor to
  • 26:19
    prism and prism we've heard about from
  • 26:21
    from Snowden of course and now this is
  • 26:23
    all tied into these new surveillance
  • 26:27
    databases in Muller and I'm once that he
  • 26:30
    was directly responsible but they all of
  • 26:33
    a sudden they said to this little
  • 26:34
    Silicon Valley company in LA
  • 26:36
    now we're not interested anymore we're
  • 26:37
    not gonna we're not gonna use you
  • 26:39
    anymore but then they just kept using it
  • 26:41
    and they kept and they kept giving
  • 26:44
    copies of the database and the actual
  • 26:47
    program to other countries because they
  • 26:49
    would call ins law and say hey we need
  • 26:50
    some tech support but they never bought
  • 26:52
    the program put this company out of
  • 26:54
    business
  • 26:55
    it's a great story people died in the
  • 26:57
    process oh I don't know about that
  • 26:59
    that's why I was hoping you would
  • 27:00
    remember this Google Google search
  • 27:03
    number people died somebody looking into
  • 27:06
    it yeah the government was killing him
  • 27:11
    so for me it's like oh my god this whole
  • 27:14
    thing is a complete sighs show with
  • 27:18
    buy-in from the media and all political
  • 27:21
    parties and it's what a fantastic
  • 27:25
    cover-up and so Muller was in there just
  • 27:28
    making sure that all of that goes away
  • 27:30
    and you heard Admiral Rogers say oh now
  • 27:35
    we're purging all that data - I'm sorry
  • 27:37
    to hear that sorry you're hearing you
  • 27:39
    covering up the tracks of who might have
  • 27:41
    exported that or hopefully he didn't but
  • 27:43
    and wasn't it Rogers who went to trump
  • 27:45
    and said hey man they're spying on you
  • 27:47
    yes that was Rogers there you go
  • 27:50
    so that's what went down this was to
  • 27:53
    save their own hides from 20 30 years in
  • 27:58
    jail if it ever comes out and of course
  • 28:01
    it was Susan Rice's name who was who was
  • 28:03
    used and who's the whack job who was the
  • 28:06
    ambassador to the UN
  • 28:11
    she's with Cass Sunstein oh yeah yeah
  • 28:15
    her the red head son Steve's wife
  • 28:19
    Samantha power
  • 28:21
    thank you for oh yeah I had the same one
  • 28:26
    but this is a good clip yeah this clip
  • 28:28
    does bring in another element which is
  • 28:30
    that we always have to readjust our
  • 28:32
    thinking about Bob Woodward came out of
  • 28:34
    military intelligence and probably still
  • 28:40
    gets a paycheck from somebody because
  • 28:41
    there's all these books he does is just
  • 28:43
    no one person can do those so he's
  • 28:46
    somebody's writing them and he's writing
  • 28:47
    important he also didn't he write on his
  • 28:50
    blog still available that CIA is all
  • 28:52
    over the media integrated wasn't that
  • 28:54
    his SS code that's that's the actual spy
  • 28:58
    okay no no I think no Woodward's D I
  • 29:03
    believe to be the actual spy based on
  • 29:05
    the stories told in family of secrets by
  • 29:09
    russ Baker now he brings up all this
  • 29:12
    information that makes it obvious but
  • 29:14
    but I can I always have to reset myself
  • 29:16
    because he I don't think he was ever in
  • 29:19
    the CIA I think he's always been part of
  • 29:21
    Defense Intelligence how could be good
  • 29:24
    because that's because he came out of
  • 29:25
    Navy intelligence so it makes sense or
  • 29:28
    he could still be a navy intelligence
  • 29:29
    which is one of the oldest intelligence
  • 29:31
    services in the country goes back to the
  • 29:33
    1700s anyway but let's do what he has to
  • 29:36
    say and he kind of slams to see
  • 29:37
    in this more than two years ago back in
  • 29:40
    January of 2017 when the steel dossier
  • 29:44
    first surfaced
  • 29:46
    I remember your saying right here on
  • 29:48
    this show that it is a quote garbage
  • 29:50
    document do you feel that the Muller
  • 29:52
    report basically discredited it and to
  • 29:56
    what degree do you think it played a
  • 29:58
    role in the Russia investigation well
  • 29:59
    that's what's going to be investigated
  • 30:01
    by lots of people including the Attorney
  • 30:05
    General and including Senator Lindsey
  • 30:08
    Graham my inspector general is also
  • 30:11
    doing it yes and it should be I mean
  • 30:13
    what I found out recently which was
  • 30:16
    really quite surprising the dossier
  • 30:19
    which really is got a lot of garbage in
  • 30:23
    it and Muller found that to be the case
  • 30:26
    early in building the intelligence
  • 30:30
    community assessment on Russian
  • 30:33
    interference in an early draft they
  • 30:36
    actually put the dossier on page two in
  • 30:40
    kind of a breakout box I think it was
  • 30:43
    the CIA pushing this real intelligence
  • 30:47
    experts looked at this and said no this
  • 30:50
    is not intelligence this is garbage
  • 30:52
    and they took it out but in this process
  • 30:55
    the idea that they would include
  • 30:58
    something like that in one of the great
  • 31:00
    stellar intelligence assessments as
  • 31:04
    Muller also found out is highly
  • 31:08
    questionable needs to be investigated
  • 31:11
    yeah now how would he even know that it
  • 31:13
    in a draft it was on page two unless he
  • 31:16
    was really in the know he's really in
  • 31:19
    the know so as I think we agreed and the
  • 31:24
    thesis of the show is this Muller
  • 31:26
    investigation was a a cleanup a mop-up
  • 31:29
    of this spying for four years on perhaps
  • 31:36
    political opponents there's also
  • 31:38
    insinuation that the IRS scandal that
  • 31:41
    that original IRS database which was
  • 31:43
    delivered on compact discs to the office
  • 31:46
    of Eric Holder that that was the
  • 31:49
    original political spying
  • 31:52
    so if this if this indeed is what it
  • 31:55
    looks like a clean-up operation I don't
  • 31:57
    think Muller can was able to make it
  • 32:00
    clean that no one gets busted I think
  • 32:02
    there needs to be a fall guy or a couple
  • 32:06
    well I'm thinking struck in Paige you
  • 32:10
    know struck in Paige your targets but
  • 32:12
    they're a little too convenient it seems
  • 32:14
    to me well you could just yeah you could
  • 32:17
    probably put a case around strucken page
  • 32:19
    and make it look like there's just a
  • 32:20
    couple of rogue FBI folk well they're
  • 32:24
    the ones talking about the insurance
  • 32:26
    policy in text messages so that's kind
  • 32:28
    of smoking gun yeah once we understand
  • 32:31
    what that means
  • 32:32
    well you never fully explained it no but
  • 32:36
    that's maybe that's what Muller put in
  • 32:38
    place no no we're find out this visit
  • 32:41
    rolling out kind of nice and smoothly
  • 32:43
    but it's just it's mind-boggling to me
  • 32:46
    cuz we already thought this but then
  • 32:49
    when I read that whole Feist a
  • 32:50
    transcript I'm like oh man everything
  • 32:54
    has been a sideshow the whole kit and
  • 32:57
    caboodle and now I can't watch any of
  • 33:00
    these discussions it's just dumb it's
  • 33:03
    completely dumb there's nothing to do
  • 33:05
    with what happened and other and other
  • 33:08
    people must have figured this out it
  • 33:10
    can't be just us here not a little no
  • 33:12
    agenda hole
  • 33:13
    oh I'm sure a lot of people I mean when
  • 33:17
    you see even Woodward when he's talking
  • 33:19
    on that Chris Wallace I think he's
  • 33:22
    covering his own ass for shit at the
  • 33:25
    same time he probably knows a lot more
  • 33:26
    than he's ever gonna talk about on TV
  • 33:28
    yeah yeah alright that we saw that
  • 33:34
    I have you know here's a good one
  • 33:39
    yeah lighten things up so Zuckerberg has
  • 33:43
    a podcast now yeah which I was excited
  • 33:46
    at first and then I turns out it's just
  • 33:48
    gonna be some this I wanna listen to the
  • 33:51
    whole thing
  • 33:52
    no of course not and so I know I did cut
  • 33:56
    a few things out and yeah but for the
  • 33:59
    most part I think I've got I've got the
  • 34:01
    essence of his podcast hold on stop
  • 34:05
    whenever you say you cut a few things
  • 34:07
    out I'm thinking there's a John C Dvorak
  • 34:09
    montage of epic proportion coming down
  • 34:11
    the pipe well let's find out
  • 34:14
    hey everyone today I've travelled to
  • 34:17
    Berlin that publishes and you you've
  • 34:21
    really dedicated your career to and and
  • 34:29
    I don't know if you want to you want to
  • 34:31
    start off there we have a lot of stuff
  • 34:32
    to cover and and and in that too
  • 34:39
    [Laughter]
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    [Music]
  • 34:50
    let me guess you have quite a beard
  • 34:53
    growth this morning seeing as you use
  • 34:57
    all your razor blades no good one that's
  • 35:03
    pretty much the podcast there's a lot of
  • 35:05
    podcast news today and before you go
  • 35:08
    into the podcast news I want to sit did
  • 35:10
    you listen the DHN plug Horowitz barely
  • 35:12
    found some research that indicates there
  • 35:15
    are 500,000 podcasts oh I'm sure I'm
  • 35:21
    sure it's just like sure sure it's just
  • 35:24
    like blogs now the best there's this two
  • 35:27
    things happening and the best is this
  • 35:31
    Netflix of podcasting which I've now
  • 35:34
    heard Spotify is gonna be the next
  • 35:36
    flicks of pot Amazon audible was going
  • 35:39
    to be the Netflix of podcasting and now
  • 35:41
    we have this new app luminary the
  • 35:44
    Netflix of podcasting where you become a
  • 35:47
    they have exclusive podcasts that you
  • 35:50
    can't get anywhere except inside their
  • 35:52
    app yeah great but no one's gonna listen
  • 35:55
    to those podcasts yeah I mean the thing
  • 35:58
    is didn't we go through all of this once
  • 36:00
    before haven't we been around this horn
  • 36:03
    so first about being the Netflix of
  • 36:08
    anything this is it's like being the
  • 36:11
    uber of anything yeah someone said
  • 36:14
    correctly well Reed Hastings is worth
  • 36:16
    the three point seven billion dollars
  • 36:18
    yeah they burned ten million dollars a
  • 36:21
    month at Netflix they're not in a in a
  • 36:23
    money-making operation nor is uber they
  • 36:26
    are not money-making person really
  • 36:28
    losing this but ya lose Netflix had to
  • 36:32
    pay a hundred million dollars just to
  • 36:35
    keep friends on their on their system
  • 36:39
    yeah
  • 36:41
    and when you are the conduit between the
  • 36:44
    content and the consumer there's a
  • 36:47
    horrible business to be in
  • 36:48
    trust me I know it's true because the
  • 36:52
    minute you have success with something
  • 36:54
    the price goes up that's just how it
  • 36:56
    works
  • 36:56
    so friends friends hasn't been on for
  • 36:59
    what 20 years now when friends go off
  • 37:01
    the a hundred million dollars in
  • 37:03
    licensing fee yeah so here's the problem
  • 37:06
    another mistake that is an obvious one
  • 37:08
    and we've seen it happen before with
  • 37:10
    this luminary
  • 37:12
    so of course they want to make free
  • 37:15
    podcasts like the No Agenda show
  • 37:17
    available to people in their in their
  • 37:20
    super secret app so you know they're
  • 37:23
    paying certain but I think there's some
  • 37:25
    famous people doing podcasts what
  • 37:28
    doesn't matter good on them so they're
  • 37:30
    someone's making some good money doing a
  • 37:31
    show for this luminary outfit but and
  • 37:35
    this happened we've seen this before and
  • 37:37
    I can't believe that they fell for it it
  • 37:38
    didn't do their research apparently in
  • 37:41
    that app they are sucking in the
  • 37:45
    individual shows so the the this episode
  • 37:50
    which would be n/a - 1 1 3 2 - 209 - Oh
  • 37:55
    4 - 2 5 - final dot mp3 they store that
  • 38:01
    on their own server so that they can
  • 38:04
    count downloads against it to ultimately
  • 38:07
    sell ads around our show or any other
  • 38:11
    free show sure well that's a copyright
  • 38:14
    violation you can't do that how is it a
  • 38:17
    copyright violation you'd literally take
  • 38:19
    a copy of our show and sell ads around
  • 38:22
    it that's a violation yeah but where are
  • 38:25
    we coming with attribution isn't it I
  • 38:29
    think it's doable so what if in the
  • 38:32
    middle of the show all of a sudden
  • 38:33
    there's a stop and then an ad comes on
  • 38:34
    your there's an it that that can't be
  • 38:38
    done but they can do it right before the
  • 38:41
    show starts I would think so yeah
  • 38:43
    we understand that a lot of other
  • 38:45
    podcasters who do not employ the value
  • 38:47
    for value model are a angry because they
  • 38:50
    won't get a piece of that be
  • 38:53
    they can't track it they can't track how
  • 38:56
    many people used luminary to play the
  • 38:58
    show yeah it's impossible yeah so this
  • 39:02
    is a backlash of epic and yet and
  • 39:04
    completely predictable proportions
  • 39:06
    because course 100 million dollar
  • 39:08
    startup what a bunch of idiots
  • 39:11
    well good depends on what you call idiot
  • 39:16
    they are possibly just working on the
  • 39:19
    investment dime in other words you give
  • 39:21
    yourself a you know you can't overdo it
  • 39:23
    but you can you can live for a couple of
  • 39:25
    years on a couple hundred million
  • 39:27
    dollars investment into your company
  • 39:29
    have to pay a lot of people to keep them
  • 39:31
    to the spinning plates in the air you
  • 39:37
    know it's something to do we've been
  • 39:40
    through this I mean even even pod show
  • 39:43
    had a version of this is the undie
  • 39:46
    investors the investors they do dumb
  • 39:48
    money that puts money into these things
  • 39:50
    never what's the last time for example
  • 39:53
    there's all these their major companies
  • 39:55
    that put money into these podcasting
  • 39:57
    schemes gimlet and all the rest of them
  • 40:00
    are highly financed now has any of the
  • 40:02
    the VCS the venture capital guys the
  • 40:05
    guys who who really have to do due
  • 40:07
    diligence because it's usually somebody
  • 40:09
    else's money they're using did I ever
  • 40:11
    call Adam curry the guy who invented the
  • 40:14
    whole thing and actually ran a network
  • 40:16
    called pod show does anybody ever call
  • 40:20
    you just Rick routinely of to talk to
  • 40:23
    you so they don't make a stupid mistake
  • 40:24
    when they throw them the money down the
  • 40:27
    drain
  • 40:27
    no no no no never no it makes no sense
  • 40:34
    whatsoever yeah it's so now because of
  • 40:41
    this there's calls for unionization yes
  • 40:47
    this is again this are both I think we
  • 40:50
    both join and this is the silliest thing
  • 40:53
    ever podcast monetization problems a
  • 40:55
    call for unionization and platform
  • 40:58
    exclusivity this too has been discussed
  • 41:02
    15 years ago we've been through all of
  • 41:05
    it you can probably just
  • 41:06
    being it and you will find the answers
  • 41:09
    to these problems which are to fuck you
  • 41:12
    can't do it it's not gonna happen it's
  • 41:14
    not how it works you also most people do
  • 41:16
    not deserve to make money with their
  • 41:18
    podcast because it's not it doesn't
  • 41:20
    attract enough interested people or it's
  • 41:23
    just shit
  • 41:24
    it's like blogs I remember the blog was
  • 41:27
    the same thing well I'm right now I
  • 41:30
    should get paid for my writing we went
  • 41:32
    through this over and over again well
  • 41:35
    this reminds me of the British podcast
  • 41:39
    Awards yes the BC British podcast Awards
  • 41:46
    dot-com
  • 41:46
    slash vote British cotton that you can
  • 41:50
    go there now they do have their
  • 41:51
    categories but you can't vote on those
  • 41:53
    but there's a thing at the top says vote
  • 41:54
    and it's called the People's Choice
  • 41:56
    Awards you know if you type in the
  • 41:58
    search engine no agenda you will see a
  • 42:00
    whole list of no agenda connections with
  • 42:03
    a phony with a phony baloney show is the
  • 42:06
    first one which pisses me off
  • 42:07
    the one the first one on my list was the
  • 42:10
    No Agenda podcast the first one was the
  • 42:13
    No Agenda podcast with the Rolling
  • 42:14
    Stones tongue is that what you voted for
  • 42:18
    I didn't vote you didn't vote for your
  • 42:21
    own show why what kind of Academy member
  • 42:25
    are you I'm going to vote it's the
  • 42:29
    second I was on it I was on a phone
  • 42:32
    browser like you couldn't see anything
  • 42:34
    to vote on but so the first one's a fake
  • 42:37
    yeah this there's five or six in there
  • 42:40
    and art and it doesn't sit just as no
  • 42:42
    agenda doesn't say the official no
  • 42:44
    agenda and you'll never get our pee
  • 42:51
    buddy this way hurts me there were
  • 42:56
    podcasts that one Peabody Awards by the
  • 42:58
    way yeah but they're all they're all
  • 43:00
    repurposed yes they're on cash yes on
  • 43:03
    NPR stuff yeah it was not one real
  • 43:06
    podcast well I'm disappointed if what
  • 43:10
    you said is true yeah
  • 43:13
    happy
  • 43:14
    Zach de New Zealand and Australia as
  • 43:20
    we've we've done this before 22 of April
  • 43:23
    25th of April 1915 New Zealand and
  • 43:29
    Australia remember the landings at
  • 43:32
    Gallipoli I think it is gallopping
  • 43:35
    literally Gallipoli the first major
  • 43:38
    international war action neither of
  • 43:41
    their armies was involved in so they
  • 43:45
    might yes well it's like a every member
  • 43:48
    this bit
  • 43:48
    well no it's like a looks like a
  • 43:50
    Veterans Day ghal appellee well I just
  • 43:56
    wanted to say happy ends Act I remember
  • 43:57
    the last time we talked about it we
  • 43:59
    couldn't figure out what Anzac me it
  • 44:01
    meant of course the NZ is for New
  • 44:05
    Zealand and Australia well this is also
  • 44:08
    the little period where we
  • 44:10
    spanish-american war started in 1898 yes
  • 44:14
    you wrote quite extensively about that
  • 44:15
    in the news well not too extensively but
  • 44:17
    extensively enough that it killed the
  • 44:23
    content in the newsletter yeah yeah we
  • 44:34
    yes exactly
  • 44:35
    I feel obliged to put content in the
  • 44:39
    newsletter once in a while and it's just
  • 44:41
    everything out the same yes it doesn't
  • 44:44
    work it's not a good work people talk a
  • 44:47
    big game degan Lizabeth warn everybody
  • 44:50
    talks a big game about wanting content
  • 44:52
    but you know when you give it to him
  • 44:54
    they don't we get right down to it now
  • 44:56
    not really but that was a quite quite to
  • 45:01
    phony-baloney war and one of our early
  • 45:04
    false flags yes it blew up the main I
  • 45:10
    liked the picture the photo with the low
  • 45:13
    sailors in the air blasted into the sky
  • 45:17
    the worst there was a let me see one do
  • 45:22
    I have a cup I found a lot of hoaxes and
  • 45:24
    faked things actually if we can just
  • 45:27
    switch to green new deal for
  • 45:29
    I think we can do this I'm sure you're
  • 45:32
    happy to do PBS had a had a guy on Adam
  • 45:38
    Higginbotham and he's written a book
  • 45:40
    about Chernobyl the I would say the most
  • 45:47
    used example of reasons not to employ or
  • 45:51
    deploy nuclear energy because you know
  • 45:55
    hey tens of thousands of people died you
  • 45:58
    know people all over Europe got cancer
  • 46:00
    was horrible
  • 46:02
    or was it I'm pretty sure what have we
  • 46:06
    said consistently on this show for the
  • 46:09
    past eleven years about Chernobyl I
  • 46:11
    don't know that it was bullshit that
  • 46:15
    there was not the tens of thousands of
  • 46:16
    people didn't die and that that no the
  • 46:20
    thing did melt down it was it bullshit
  • 46:22
    no it melted down sure but it's not like
  • 46:25
    the area is dead it's greener than it's
  • 46:27
    ever been
  • 46:28
    they've capped that thing off it was a
  • 46:30
    nuclear it was a military nuclear
  • 46:31
    facility so it's it was more severe than
  • 46:34
    anything but it's it's one it's pretty
  • 46:36
    much the aside from Fukushima and most
  • 46:41
    people from Fukushima died from the
  • 46:43
    tsunami this has always been heralded as
  • 46:46
    all these people died so this guy is
  • 46:50
    written a book and it's really about
  • 46:52
    technology and how we shouldn't trust
  • 46:54
    technology but some interesting details
  • 46:56
    came out this is PBS this is almost 33
  • 46:59
    years ago and here you are putting out a
  • 47:01
    book now what's untold about it well I
  • 47:05
    would say that the principal aspect of
  • 47:07
    what I'm told about it is that this
  • 47:08
    version of the story is true
  • 47:11
    what did we get wrong well because the
  • 47:14
    Soviet government did such an excellent
  • 47:16
    job of attempting to cover up the truth
  • 47:19
    of the beginning you know most people's
  • 47:21
    conceptions of what happened I kind of
  • 47:24
    rooted in the initial propaganda that
  • 47:27
    the Soviet Union put out and also the
  • 47:30
    misinformation that resulted from a lack
  • 47:31
    of information so for example you know a
  • 47:34
    lot of people still think that tens of
  • 47:37
    thousands of people died almost
  • 47:38
    immediately as a result of this accident
  • 47:40
    the case that's not the case and but
  • 47:42
    part of the reason for that is there's
  • 47:44
    Western correspondents in Moscow
  • 47:46
    weren't allowed access to any
  • 47:47
    information so they did their best with
  • 47:49
    kind of rumors and hearsay with a result
  • 47:52
    that I think within a week of the
  • 47:53
    accident the New York Post was reporting
  • 47:55
    the 15,000 people had died and their
  • 47:58
    bodies buried in a nuclear waste dump
  • 48:00
    somewhere any approach and when in fact
  • 48:02
    it was when in fact the death toll from
  • 48:03
    the accident by that point was two to
  • 48:07
    one man died in the initial explosion a
  • 48:09
    second man died by doing that day as a
  • 48:13
    result of burns he sustained in the
  • 48:15
    explosion and then how do we calculate
  • 48:16
    the ones who sort of got horrible
  • 48:18
    cancers I mean the official figures are
  • 48:21
    that within five months another 29
  • 48:23
    people have died as a result of as a
  • 48:25
    result of radiation exposure they
  • 48:26
    received in those few hours after the
  • 48:29
    first explosion but then when you start
  • 48:31
    to try to not 15,000 - and then another
  • 48:38
    29 from direct exposure to the open
  • 48:42
    cores at the time and that's just kind
  • 48:44
    of glossed over nuclear disaster exactly
  • 48:57
    the way they do and here's the thing
  • 48:59
    about it you know the media places thing
  • 49:02
    is so we don't have the benefits of
  • 49:05
    nuclear power like the French do and we
  • 49:10
    could but we don't because they do we
  • 49:12
    all the reactors are custom-made and
  • 49:15
    then they're too expensive and it's a
  • 49:17
    gyp
  • 49:18
    but here's the thing that gets me about
  • 49:21
    the panthan nuke propaganda so Fukushima
  • 49:24
    goes off and you end up with you know
  • 49:29
    not a lot of chitchat about the waste is
  • 49:32
    headed our way we're all gonna get wiped
  • 49:34
    out on the west coast all the this
  • 49:37
    initially don't we have that guy with
  • 49:40
    the Geiger counter on the beach regard
  • 49:42
    with a Geiger counter on the beach and
  • 49:44
    then we have people like Alex Jones
  • 49:46
    fussing seems to be on the right hold on
  • 49:48
    all right listen to this this is from
  • 49:50
    one of our clips from
  • 49:53
    2013 the Geiger counter on the beach
  • 50:19
    this is the kind of shit that was going
  • 50:21
    on oh we got it on the beach it's in the
  • 50:23
    way it's in the tuna sushi yeah so you
  • 50:27
    can't eat the fish but the point I was
  • 50:29
    making is you have the right wingers uh
  • 50:32
    who should be pro nuke that's right as
  • 50:39
    if we're all gonna die cuz of this Puka
  • 50:41
    show it's a cloud the cloud is coming
  • 50:45
    over California and all the rest of it
  • 50:47
    let me come on the Dolphins are carrying
  • 50:50
    nuclear plastic all kinds of stuff like
  • 50:55
    this and now we have another hoax
  • 50:58
    another green New Deal hoax very
  • 51:00
    disappointing that the famous Sir David
  • 51:03
    Attenborough has been is a part of this
  • 51:06
    our planet oh yeah he's co-opted
  • 51:09
    completely yeah and it's really good
  • 51:11
    first of all the guy has such a seminal
  • 51:13
    voice for documentaries is just pleasure
  • 51:15
    pleasant to listen to him and he
  • 51:18
    instills trust netflix has a promo out
  • 51:22
    for our planet to documentary series
  • 51:25
    narrated by the same David Attenborough
  • 51:28
    and it features a scene of walruses
  • 51:32
    falling off of a cliff bouncing at I
  • 51:35
    don't you seeing this bouncing on the
  • 51:37
    rocks and then dying at the bottom in a
  • 51:40
    bloody mess and then you know the end
  • 51:41
    then the next one jumps off and it falls
  • 51:44
    backwards and it just dies on top of the
  • 51:46
    other one and these are big animals and
  • 51:48
    well here's the scene from this from the
  • 51:54
    from the documentary you'll note that
  • 51:56
    the people talking about what's
  • 51:58
    happening and why this is happening is
  • 52:00
    not David Attenborough it's the camera
  • 52:02
    guy and it's I guess a producer
  • 52:05
    not sure what her credentials are and
  • 52:06
    she's crying here we go
  • 52:09
    [Music]
  • 52:16
    and literally to the top of the rockiest
  • 52:18
    part of the clip
  • 52:21
    once at the top of the 80 meter cliffs
  • 52:23
    they rest until it's time to return to
  • 52:26
    the sea in search of food
  • 52:34
    little sections that they're really
  • 52:36
    stupid and they were just really steep
  • 52:40
    we're gonna go one right on the edge
  • 52:46
    and now it's falling off in slow motion
  • 52:49
    bashing its head against the rocks blood
  • 52:52
    spurting out falling down this probably
  • 53:00
    two or three hundred dead horizontal but
  • 53:02
    the half mile stretch bitter then
  • 53:05
    exhausted his Empress River 100 miles
  • 53:07
    now to get to food and then coming back
  • 53:08
    here it's the only place to sleep they
  • 53:10
    used to sleep on the ice dive down need
  • 53:12
    food sleep on the ice easy
  • 53:13
    and now there's the villain Kumar's
  • 53:15
    coming to this base planet less and
  • 53:17
    they're just exhausted and fallen down
  • 53:18
    and
  • 53:19
    by the bank health warning or just
  • 53:22
    there's several thousand crab Dalton
  • 53:24
    little tiny bits of beaches the sad
  • 53:26
    reality of climate change would be on
  • 53:30
    the ice right now if they could be
  • 53:32
    there's no option but to come to land
  • 53:35
    they're just a danger to ourselves
  • 53:37
    [Music]
  • 53:40
    watch witnesses
  • 53:42
    [Music]
  • 53:48
    it's so horrible this is the worst thing
  • 53:51
    that climate change is done to anything
  • 53:53
    or anyone you see after the polar bears
  • 53:56
    didn't die off because of climate change
  • 53:59
    in fact your population increased
  • 54:01
    substantially substantially now the
  • 54:04
    walrus is the new polar bear and they're
  • 54:09
    usually like it and they're using this
  • 54:11
    to say because there's not enough ice
  • 54:14
    they are driven onto land and there's
  • 54:18
    too many of them and then they fall off
  • 54:20
    the rocks to their death unfortunately
  • 54:23
    nothing could be further from the truth
  • 54:27
    this is called a land haul and walruses
  • 54:31
    do this periodically they did it in the
  • 54:33
    1980s when the population outstrips the
  • 54:38
    food supply they have they do this land
  • 54:42
    haul maneuver and they kill themselves
  • 54:44
    in order to ensure there's enough food
  • 54:48
    for the younger generation and in fact
  • 54:51
    the walrus population is doing quite
  • 54:55
    well it's up from a hundred thousand to
  • 54:57
    three hundred thousand but yet because
  • 54:59
    of global warming they're throwing
  • 55:01
    themselves off of the cliff a total lie
  • 55:05
    yeah shameful but hey well you could be
  • 55:09
    the Netflix or podcasting next I have
  • 55:13
    the clip of these climate changes now I
  • 55:16
    want you to just pay careful attention
  • 55:17
    here climate change big numbers of
  • 55:21
    democracy now and climate news an
  • 55:24
    alarming new report published in the
  • 55:26
    journal Nature communications finds
  • 55:27
    without immediate action to curb
  • 55:29
    greenhouse gas emissions melting Arctic
  • 55:32
    permafrost could add as much as seventy
  • 55:35
    trillion dollars to the overall economic
  • 55:37
    impact of climate change Wow seventy
  • 55:42
    trillion ice from melting ice and whose
  • 55:47
    numbers were those she never said I
  • 55:50
    couldn't find him but I'm sure somebody
  • 55:53
    came up with him seventy trillion
  • 55:55
    dollars it's a lot of money but just
  • 55:59
    seventy trillion
  • 56:01
    I think what's our GNP is like I mean I
  • 56:04
    don't learn one or two trillion I mean
  • 56:06
    it's like the whole the whole world has
  • 56:09
    to shut down to pay for this is bullcrap
  • 56:13
    it's just bullcrap
  • 56:15
    yeah seventy trillion it wasn't his look
  • 56:23
    at the GNP there was an interesting
  • 56:26
    research study published by the
  • 56:29
    University of Chicago about the
  • 56:32
    renewable portfolio standards something
  • 56:36
    I had not heard of before yeah I'm sorry
  • 56:38
    I'm sorry G and P is nineteen point six
  • 56:47
    trillion so this would be the entire
  • 56:51
    production of the United States for
  • 56:53
    three actually more than three years
  • 56:56
    three and a half years to fix the
  • 56:59
    problem of the melting ice anyway okay
  • 57:01
    well and unless you know something else
  • 57:03
    horrible is made up to go along with
  • 57:05
    that yeah okay renewable portfolio
  • 57:10
    standards something that's been going on
  • 57:12
    since the turn of the millennium and
  • 57:17
    individual states have these are pieces
  • 57:19
    which is the amount of renewable energy
  • 57:24
    you have to have and there's a sliding
  • 57:28
    scale for it turns out there's 29 states
  • 57:30
    that have these renewable portfolio
  • 57:32
    standards Texas being one of them
  • 57:35
    surprisingly and so you know as we know
  • 57:39
    and and I think you see more energy
  • 57:42
    companies advertising this fact that
  • 57:44
    these days we played one a couple shows
  • 57:46
    ago when you have more renewable energy
  • 57:48
    you need more gas-fired energy or it
  • 57:53
    could be nuclear but gas is these are
  • 57:56
    the people that are happiest they're
  • 57:57
    like hey we're all in shit we'll build
  • 57:59
    some windmills no problem and here's
  • 58:01
    what the numbers break down to just to
  • 58:06
    give you an idea of what you really need
  • 58:09
    in actual
  • 58:11
    plant capital or capacity to go to keep
  • 58:17
    in stride with the renewables and it's a
  • 58:20
    very lengthy report but the idea is
  • 58:24
    renewables have a 30% capacity factor so
  • 58:28
    if you want to go to 50% renewable you
  • 58:31
    have to build one hundred and sixty six
  • 58:33
    percent renewable capacity which means
  • 58:36
    you need to have 115 percent base load
  • 58:40
    provided by fossil fuels such as a gas
  • 58:46
    so to get to the fifty percent renewable
  • 58:49
    portfolio standard you need two hundred
  • 58:52
    and eighty one percent to assure 100
  • 58:56
    percent base load power so fossil fuel
  • 59:00
    companies are going to make out like
  • 59:03
    bandits because of this and that's that
  • 59:07
    that's the truth of your green New Deal
  • 59:13
    200 and so that we're talking almost a
  • 59:15
    three-fold increase that's a lot of gas
  • 59:19
    yes too much hype and I put these this
  • 59:23
    research in the show notes it's as I
  • 59:25
    said it's like a 50 page document but
  • 59:28
    it's all from University of Chicago so
  • 59:30
    pretty reliable and just shows you that
  • 59:34
    this is where we're headed you're you're
  • 59:35
    literally making the fossil fuel
  • 59:38
    companies rich and I'm not you know hey
  • 59:41
    consider nuclear that's never done
  • 59:46
    that's why the thing is scam ish well I
  • 59:49
    think because of these numbers now I
  • 59:50
    think the nuclear industry is becoming
  • 59:52
    interesting for to investors wait a
  • 59:55
    minute if we need to have that kind of a
  • 59:58
    baseline power load then you know the
  • 1:00:00
    billion dollar investment per nuke plant
  • 1:00:02
    kind of looks ok over time and I and I
  • 1:00:07
    think you're going you will see this
  • 1:00:09
    change it has to I don't think we can
  • 1:00:12
    even provide that much natural gas a lot
  • 1:00:17
    of fracking going on well
  • 1:00:20
    the whole country will sink because of
  • 1:00:22
    the franking but we'll have renewable
  • 1:00:24
    energy I just thought that wasn't a
  • 1:00:26
    fascinating set of numbers it's scary
  • 1:00:34
    well let's go to Sri Lanka then and
  • 1:00:36
    catch up with this okay you have any
  • 1:00:38
    reports I got some thoughts on it I got
  • 1:00:40
    one from ITN and then have an ISO which
  • 1:00:44
    is part two for second clip of part two
  • 1:00:47
    of this which is standalone ISO it just
  • 1:00:50
    so happens to be the part two but report
  • 1:00:52
    from Sri Lanka is an independent
  • 1:00:54
    television news the police trying to
  • 1:00:56
    assure people away from the first of a
  • 1:00:58
    series of controlled explosions they
  • 1:01:01
    conducted across the capital today a
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    nervous public washing on as they dealt
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    with another suspicious vehicle security
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    is at its highest level here even at the
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    morgue where relatives are still
  • 1:01:16
    arriving to identify the dead with the
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    country's churches still in lockdown
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    details have started to emerge about
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    those responsible for the Easter Sunday
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    attacks this house in a quiet
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    residential area of Colombo was where
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    the family of two brothers responsible
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    for the hotel bombings lived when police
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    raided the property on Sunday the wife
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    of one of the men triggered a suicide
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    vest sanaka lives on the same street the
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    woman killed herself her two children
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    and three policemen neighbour Mohammed
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    knew the Bombers father and can't
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    believe his family were responsible
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    almost everybody knows from this Lane
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    you know he's famous guy and he's rich
  • 1:02:04
    guy he's a good guy he never thought
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    this will happen from his house it's a
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    really big shock for everyone
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    the government have confirmed all nine
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    suicide bombers were from well-off Sri
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    Lankan families and one of them studied
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    in the UK a worker at a copper factory
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    owned by the cinnamon grande bomber told
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    us they were shocked when the bomb squad
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    turned up looking very very good man
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    can I guess that's the ISO knows what he
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    has to say next inside please
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    please understand very bad very bad
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    you understand English what very bad
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    now a couple of things that have not
  • 1:02:52
    been pointed out by anybody and yet I
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    want to hear your thoughts also which
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    I'm sure are more interesting than what
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    I'm gonna explain which is that they
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    showed a video of the one of the Bombers
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    walking down through town and then going
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    into one of the churches that blew up
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    and he clearly had a backpack on and it
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    appears as if the backpack was filled
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    with explosives uh-huh and in western
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    countries and Sri Lanka is pretty much
  • 1:03:21
    westernized it's not an it's not weird
  • 1:03:24
    to see people wandering around I've
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    always felt this is a bad trend
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    wandering around with backpacks filled
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    with stuff they go to the store with
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    their backpacks I go to the store the
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    other day and there's people with
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    backpacks on in a vegetable store and
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    you know they turn around in the
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    backpack hit yes huge backpack and he's
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    wiggling it off and me rolling you know
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    wheels were invented for a reason but
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    okay you want to carry around a load
  • 1:03:54
    your shirt by you're gonna walk around
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    this back but I think these guys have
  • 1:03:58
    switched and so when they said that this
  • 1:04:00
    woman blew up a vest to kill the her yes
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    I don't believe so I believe was a
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    backpack and I think that the future of
  • 1:04:10
    these these bombers is backpacks nuts
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    vests it's too hot
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    nobody's me well I mean in the Middle
  • 1:04:18
    East that people do this because they
  • 1:04:20
    were black and then Sondra forty degrees
  • 1:04:22
    out but in other countries like
  • 1:04:25
    sri lanka being a good example people
  • 1:04:27
    are in short sleeves they don't really
  • 1:04:28
    have a there's no done i'm gonna be
  • 1:04:31
    wearing a vest
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    but they will be carrying around
  • 1:04:33
    backpacks and i think this needs to be i
  • 1:04:36
    think they did do bombers have figured
  • 1:04:39
    this out
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    Oh David hog can sell some of his clear
  • 1:04:42
    plastic backpacks are you required by
  • 1:04:46
    law yeah it could be well so you had
  • 1:04:50
    some thoughts yeah I haven't there's a
  • 1:04:51
    number of things going on and first of
  • 1:04:54
    all it's always disturbing to realize
  • 1:04:56
    that the United States Navy started a
  • 1:05:00
    huge exercise in Sri Lanka on the 19th
  • 1:05:05
    of April a multi day exercise so we we
  • 1:05:09
    had a lot of people there in the port
  • 1:05:10
    just always interesting to note whenever
  • 1:05:14
    you have that going on I think that well
  • 1:05:18
    it's obvious that this operation was not
  • 1:05:21
    just some willy-nilly thing it was
  • 1:05:24
    organized quite well we immediately had
  • 1:05:29
    a boogie man who we never heard of
  • 1:05:31
    before national towie --the JAMA
  • 1:05:33
    immediately right away just like 9/11 we
  • 1:05:37
    had up here's a passport but this is
  • 1:05:39
    it's got to be these guys and please
  • 1:05:41
    recall that we had two clips from Fox
  • 1:05:45
    News when the nut Saddam was burning
  • 1:05:48
    people saying hey wait a minute there's
  • 1:05:50
    something going on with the you know
  • 1:05:51
    churches and people and they shut him
  • 1:05:54
    down
  • 1:05:54
    shut up you can't talk about it not a
  • 1:05:57
    typical FoxNews move who love conspiracy
  • 1:06:01
    certainly if it's anti Islamic I think
  • 1:06:05
    that this interrupted the operation and
  • 1:06:08
    the last thing the people running this
  • 1:06:11
    Sri Lanka operation wanted was people
  • 1:06:14
    calling out were more hate being
  • 1:06:17
    generated against Islamists in Europe
  • 1:06:20
    versus where this took place two clips
  • 1:06:26
    here just to give you some thoughts as a
  • 1:06:29
    former that's a quote former FBI agent
  • 1:06:32
    of Fox News or things with Shep Smith
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    actually
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    and this is the intelligence community's
  • 1:06:39
    line and I know that because I got an
  • 1:06:42
    email from pichan ik and in a you know
  • 1:06:46
    fully recognizing he's my handler to a
  • 1:06:49
    degree his email said you should do a
  • 1:06:53
    show about how Christians have been
  • 1:06:56
    persecuted all around you know the world
  • 1:06:59
    I've been tracking this forever this you
  • 1:07:01
    should he's never told me to do a show
  • 1:07:03
    about anything he has never even
  • 1:07:05
    listened to the show as far as I know
  • 1:07:06
    cheers he keeps saying how's your radio
  • 1:07:09
    show okay fine it's great it's a great
  • 1:07:11
    radio show so that to me said something
  • 1:07:14
    ah you want to be pushing the
  • 1:07:16
    anti-christian mean I'm not so sure
  • 1:07:19
    let's listen to the FBI guy first who's
  • 1:07:21
    read in on the topic and retired FBI
  • 1:07:23
    special agent Bobby should call me Bobby
  • 1:07:25
    thank you for being here this morning
  • 1:07:27
    tough news but not it's not Shep
  • 1:07:29
    obviously for someone like you this is
  • 1:07:31
    not something new we've seen Muslim
  • 1:07:33
    radical terrorist groups attacking
  • 1:07:35
    Christians around the globe what does
  • 1:07:37
    this attack tell you well it's an
  • 1:07:39
    outreach right so we've had relative
  • 1:07:41
    stability in Sri Lanka for at least a 10
  • 1:07:43
    years since their civil war ended
  • 1:07:45
    so it tells me that this radical
  • 1:07:48
    ideology is spreading the Indian
  • 1:07:51
    subcontinent now being attacked and so
  • 1:07:54
    you know it's it's another sign that the
  • 1:07:58
    Middle East is not the the sole source
  • 1:08:02
    of these attacks and that we'll see more
  • 1:08:04
    of these attacks in places where we've
  • 1:08:07
    seen relative stability okay boy
  • 1:08:11
    oh yeah oh yeah you can wait for it so
  • 1:08:13
    they're setting something up yeah this
  • 1:08:15
    group NJT you're right there hasn't been
  • 1:08:17
    even have an acronym for them now NJT
  • 1:08:20
    the juice Thalia oh yes this is very
  • 1:08:22
    quick these things John never heard of
  • 1:08:24
    these NJT guys up there they are on the
  • 1:08:27
    scene pushed by everybody stop you for a
  • 1:08:29
    second and mention one thing because
  • 1:08:30
    there was a lot of battling going on we
  • 1:08:32
    heard about the Terrorism going on in
  • 1:08:34
    Sri Lanka but you have to always
  • 1:08:35
    remember that during that era which just
  • 1:08:38
    ended 10 years ago as the civil war a
  • 1:08:40
    civil war well wasn't a civil war as
  • 1:08:43
    much as it was terrorism but between two
  • 1:08:47
    opposing forces but it was
  • 1:08:48
    Buddhist Buddhist Hindus yes and this is
  • 1:08:52
    no Muslim component in banal all of a
  • 1:08:54
    sudden there is in fact the you're
  • 1:08:58
    jumping the gun a little bit but you're
  • 1:08:59
    correct
  • 1:08:59
    the Muslim population is very small
  • 1:09:03
    under 10% in Sri Lanka Christian
  • 1:09:05
    population about 7% the majority are
  • 1:09:08
    Buddhist if you're going to send a
  • 1:09:10
    message to somebody which this is and
  • 1:09:12
    I'll get to that
  • 1:09:13
    you don't especially in light of the oki
  • 1:09:17
    its historians call it civil war
  • 1:09:20
    everything I've read but it was Hindus
  • 1:09:22
    against Buddhist and in fact you had
  • 1:09:25
    radical Buddhists so we don't want to
  • 1:09:27
    spark off something internally we got to
  • 1:09:30
    blow somebody up well we're not gonna
  • 1:09:31
    blow up Moslems let's blow up some
  • 1:09:34
    Christians and you know by the way there
  • 1:09:35
    were hotels not necessary there were
  • 1:09:37
    three hotels three churches there's not
  • 1:09:39
    necessarily all places of worship but
  • 1:09:41
    you want to avoid the Hindus or the
  • 1:09:44
    Buddhists because that could set off
  • 1:09:45
    some other stuff when you're just doing
  • 1:09:47
    this to send a very clear message yeah
  • 1:09:51
    this group njt you're right there hasn't
  • 1:09:53
    been radical Islamic terrorism in Sri
  • 1:09:55
    Lanka but their aim is to spread the
  • 1:09:57
    global Islamist movement to that country
  • 1:09:59
    so suicide bombings there those are the
  • 1:10:03
    types of things we saw from al-qaeda and
  • 1:10:04
    Isis I mean is this part of that same
  • 1:10:06
    strands to live sure and and make no
  • 1:10:08
    mistake people identifying the super
  • 1:10:10
    group as the one that carried it out the
  • 1:10:13
    planning and the support that was needed
  • 1:10:15
    to carry out an attack like this has
  • 1:10:17
    undoubtedly been supported by
  • 1:10:19
    significant assistance from outside of
  • 1:10:22
    Sri Lanka I would not be surprised if
  • 1:10:24
    the investigation determines that there
  • 1:10:26
    was significant assistance coming from
  • 1:10:28
    groups outside that country to support
  • 1:10:30
    an operation I think this is a very
  • 1:10:32
    coordinated very planned this small
  • 1:10:35
    local group inside Sri Lanka while it
  • 1:10:38
    could have carried out an attack like
  • 1:10:39
    this I doubt that they did so without
  • 1:10:42
    material support from outside that
  • 1:10:44
    country so we have to look at Isis we
  • 1:10:47
    have to look at al-qaeda we have to look
  • 1:10:49
    at some of the other international
  • 1:10:51
    groups that are they're able to send
  • 1:10:54
    that kind of support both financial
  • 1:10:56
    training bomb-making equipment bomb
  • 1:10:59
    makers and those kind of things I would
  • 1:11:01
    imagine
  • 1:11:02
    and they're going to find a lot of that
  • 1:11:03
    support came from outside outside he
  • 1:11:06
    makes it clear outside outside outside
  • 1:11:08
    okay outside I've said it many more
  • 1:11:10
    times before it became obvious remember
  • 1:11:13
    that both Hillary Clinton and Barack
  • 1:11:15
    Obama tweeted about Easter worshippers
  • 1:11:18
    all part all people who I believe and I
  • 1:11:21
    know this sounds crackpot II but I
  • 1:11:22
    believe they all knew something was
  • 1:11:24
    coming they didn't know exactly what it
  • 1:11:26
    was but they knew something was coming
  • 1:11:28
    it was a big message to Sri Lanka Sri
  • 1:11:31
    Lanka has had an ongoing dispute with
  • 1:11:33
    India India does not want them in bed
  • 1:11:37
    with China as part of one belt one Road
  • 1:11:39
    what has China just done they have
  • 1:11:42
    poured hundreds of billions of dollars
  • 1:11:44
    into the port the very port where the US
  • 1:11:48
    Navy was during this attack doing an
  • 1:11:52
    exercise I believe and you look at the
  • 1:11:55
    political things that political things
  • 1:11:57
    have gone on with an appointment of a of
  • 1:12:00
    an interior minister who was then kicked
  • 1:12:03
    out because India didn't want it because
  • 1:12:05
    that guy was friendly to China this was