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1114: Fudged

Adam Curry & John C. Dvorak

2h 57m
February 21st, 2019
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Executive Producers: Sir John Henry, Todd Rathkamp, Ray Martin, Sir Layron of Circle Town, Randall Schaible, Mathew Wilber, Noah Watenmaker, Roland Gonzalez, Sander Liemberg, Sir Anthony Trusgnich Baron of the Philippines, Sir Walk-Man, Baron Craig Cuttner, Baronet Sir Rob

Associate Executive Producers: Dwight The Knight, Jackson Howatt

Cover Art by Sir Lowebrau

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Chapters

0:00
Start of Show
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0:45
Trump Tweets About 6G Technology
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1:53
Huawei CEO Ren Zhengfei: The US Cannot Crush Us
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5:37
Motorola's 5G Moto Mod Has Feature to Limit Radiation Exposure
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7:31
AC's New Rig
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11:03
JCD's Skype Sound Issues
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15:44
Kamala Harris Confronted Over Modern Day Lynching Tweet
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18:13
Don Lemon Responds to Jussie Smollett Controversy
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24:11
New York Times Columnist Charles Blow: If Jussie Smollett Orchestrated The Hate Crime Against Him, He's a Psychopath
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27:11
Cook County State's Attorney Kim Foxx Recuses Herself From Jussie Smollett Investigation
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27:47
Jussie Smollett's Hate Crime Theories
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31:34
Sunny Hostin Discusses the Chilling Effect Caused by Jussie Smollett on Good Morning America
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35:50
Burberry Apologizes For Controversial Hoodie With Noose
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37:58
US Starts Global Campaign Against Criminalizing Homo Sexuality
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41:34
Yvette Carnell From Descendants of Slavery Calls Out Lying Black People
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48:42
The Intercepted Podcast: The US Agenda in Venezuela, Haiti and Egypt
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1:08:49
Credits
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1:37:36
Canadaland: Vice Ran Smear Campaign Against Jill Abramson's Merchants of Truth Book
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1:41:09
Lara Logan Appearance on the Mike Drop Podcast
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1:48:48
Saudi Arabia Invests $20 Billion in Pakistan
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1:53:04
The Covington Student Nick Sandmann is Suing The Washington Post for $250 Million
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2:03:59
Over 2000 Lawsuits Filed in 2018 Against Websites Under the Americans With Disabilities Act
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2:05:39
Iran Claims Infiltration of an US Command Center
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2:07:37
Love Island Reality TV Show Contestents Discuss Brexit
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2:09:21
Donations
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2:13:23
Birthdays & Title Changes
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2:15:42
Australia Revokes David Icke's Visa for Holocaust Denial and Anti-Semitism
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2:28:21
Patrick Michaels Describes Flaws in Climate Change Computer Models
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2:34:07
Los Angeles Times: Your Phone and TV Are Tracking You, and Political Campaigns Are Listening In
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2:34:53
Google's Nest Secure Device Contains a Secret Microphone
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2:36:28
YouTube Creator Matt Watson Exposes YouTube Pedophilia Ring Hidden in the Comments
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2:39:11
CNN's Alisyn Camerota: "Trump is Humor-Impaired"
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2:40:57
French President Macron Accepts Israeli-Backed Definition of Anti-Semitism
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2:43:24
Mac and Cheese Jeopardy Question
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2:44:28
Tucker Carlson Discusses Link Between Weed and Cannabinoid Hyperemesis Syndrome
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2:50:53
Over 18 Trillion Gallons of Rainfall in California in February
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2:51:27
End of Show
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    I love my piehole Adam I love my piehole
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    Adam I'm glad you've got it in full play
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    we could use some of that over here in
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    Texas it's code its code its codes very
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    close we learn to code is very code very
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    code a man doesn't matter we're all
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    gonna get nice and warm
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    the president said so this morning did
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    you see his tweet what you're gonna dab
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    nuke us close enough I quote from Donald
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    J Trump on Twitter I want 5g even 6g
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    technology in the United States as soon
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    as possible it is far more powerful
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    faster and smarter than the current
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    standard American companies must step up
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    their efforts or left get left behind
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    there's no time to waste was writing
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    that for him you know what 5g is there
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    is it bears is barely even a standard
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    but as predicted on this show that's
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    where he's gonna go for growth he sees
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    it finally he says we need to grow the
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    economy that we got to really push that
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    funky phony 5g stuff and fry everybody
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    at the same time it's a double whammy
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    some people won't make it that's what it
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    is
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    well you know it is a form of Darwinism
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    I got a quick interview just since we're
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    on this topic with the founder of Huawei
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    with AI you did you got you you how'd
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    you get ahold of him oh I'm sorry you
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    presented it funny okay going this
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    the founders name is Ren Zhang Fei and I
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    think Yngwie is that wrong
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    Renton Jiang hey but it is a short
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    interview from Europe but I liked it as
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    a good retort to this the president
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    saying that we're gonna be the kings of
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    five and six gee there's no way the US
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    can crush us
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    the world needs Huawei because we are
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    more advanced even if they persuade more
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    countries not to use us temporarily we
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    could just scale things down a bit and
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    because the u.s. keeps targeting us and
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    finding fault with us it has forced us
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    to improve our products and services
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    what kind of impact would it have on
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    your business if the US is successful in
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    getting many of its partners in the West
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    to shut your equipment out if the lights
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    go out in the West the East will still
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    shine and if the North goes down can the
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    south isn't that great but don't worry
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    it'll be plenty bright where there 5g
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    burning up the universe America doesn't
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    represent the world how importantly yes
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    we do the future of Huawei in the UK
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    with regards to your investment plans
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    and jobs are you are you able to
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    guarantee that you will not be pulling
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    out of the UK you will not be taking
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    jobs out of the UK we will continue to
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    invest in the UK we still trust in the
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    UK and we hope that the UK will trust us
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    even more we will invest even more in
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    the UK because if the US doesn't trust
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    us then we will shift our investment
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    from the u.s. to the UK on an even
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    bigger scale oh yeah that'll make a lot
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    of friends I would like to raise the
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    issue of your daughter this is a
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    personal event this is very interesting
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    so he's going to talk about his daughter
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    in a way that no dad really talks about
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    his daughter very challenging time for
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    you she is in Canada she's been arrested
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    by the USS request and she faces
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    extradition how do you feel about this
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    and what will you do
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    if she is sent to jail I object to what
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    the US has done this kind of politically
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    motivated Act is not acceptable the u.s.
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    likes to sanction others whenever
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    there's an issue they'll use such
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    methods we object to this g11 joke she
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    has no impact on what ways business do
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    to minglang Joe's loss of freedom in
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    fact we're growing even faster so they
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    caught Ming Wang jokes maybe they got
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    the wrong person
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    I don't know if that's just the
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    translation I wonder if he's if he
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    actually said it that way so they caught
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    her
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    whatever implying that she's kind of
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    guilty of something but that may just be
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    the translations of freedom we're
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    growing even faster so they caught Ming
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    Wang Joe maybe they got the wrong person
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    they may have thought if they've
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    arrested her while we would fall but we
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    didn't fall we are still moving forward
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    our company has established processes
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    and procedures and no longer relies on
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    any one person even if I myself go one
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    day this company won't change its
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    trajectory forward top put highly lgo
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    jigger ching ching all right geez there
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    you go that guy seems cocky he's on the
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    warpath man I'm messing around anyway
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    I'll just wrap up the five G since we're
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    here anyway Motorola has they've I guess
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    they have some specs on there 5g moto
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    mod moto mod and it has a feature that
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    limits the limits radiation if you have
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    your finger near an antenna the antenna
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    will sense that and we'll stop frying
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    your finger the worst I think this was
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    the one of the worst press releases are
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    or announcements I've ever heard
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    regarding a technology because it's
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    exactly what you said what did I say
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    yeah it's gonna fry your finger if you
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    touch it this doesn't sound like some
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    people want to put next to their head
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    well lots of people will but not the no
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    agenda peeps we're too smart it wasn't
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    it was the only other 5g article I have
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    is you
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    of course everyone's all jacked up about
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    having their CV be the smartest city and
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    in the Netherlands in the hague the seat
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    of the Dutch government by 2020 they're
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    very proud to say they'll be the first
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    city in Holland completely 5g enabled
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    you know I remember when we had the
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    Seoul Olympics the Winter Olympics
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    mm-hmm and in Korea and that was
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    supposed to be lit up by 5g and that was
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    a big G it was I don't think it may have
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    been wall ways but I'm not sure it could
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    have been anyone's Erickson's perhaps
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    and it was like they made a big deal
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    about the beginning and then everyone's
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    gonna be supposed to be getting these 5g
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    phones nobody got anything they wouldn't
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    know find a real phone no on this
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    network it was an early early stake in
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    the ground it was an early bs stake
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    fair warning for you John among I got
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    made an investment in the show I am on a
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    new rig today this is what we have this
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    sound issue then no has nothing to do
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    with it no yeah I want you to have a new
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    rig well I'm always looking for whenever
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    I'm on the road to zero today no
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    tomorrow I tomorrow morning we leave
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    early for Des Moines Iowa where we have
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    Des Moines I was 10 degrees that's okay
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    now is it let me tell you this I don't
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    know we'll find out won't we
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    [Music]
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    tomorrow let's use all new gear no
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    that's why we're testing it today you
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    see this is I'm doing I'm being very
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    smart I mean I could swap everything out
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    in a heartbeat and be on my standard rig
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    well it would be a couple heartbeats but
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    I just wanted to explain why when I'm on
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    the road there's always less bandwidth
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    no matter what you're using this less
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    than at home
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    so prep time takes longer as is and the
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    computers I had which the first one I
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    had was just a huge screen it's like I
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    was like an HP 17 inch screen or
  • 8:47
    something real heavy clunk
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    because I just wanted one screen the
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    touchscreen but of course it's a it's a
  • 8:54
    regular hard drive and it takes forever
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    for the thing to boot up and everything
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    takes longer and I can't miss more speed
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    so I needed more speed didn't want to
  • 9:03
    add to the weight their physical weight
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    and low and behold them at Costco of all
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    places let's go and they had a $200 off
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    on the surface pro six UK and so I got
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    one and and I have two external screens
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    one is that I think I told you about
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    this screen it runs off of USB 3 yeah
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    really cool you just plug it into USB
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    and then it works it works
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    yeah so this rig is I gotta say I can do
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    my nails while running the show I'm
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    stunned at you you buy anything at
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    Costco why cuz you swore that you would
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    never never even Costco again I know but
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    then you know under me I heard you do
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    yes it took a woman's touch the
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    Perkins off the ledge the keeper
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    convinced me yeah - quick mentions up
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    front for those wondering No Agenda
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    social calm is currently offline and
  • 10:09
    that is because Aaron er who runs the
  • 10:12
    whole shebang says that there's some
  • 10:14
    horrible Linux comp compromised thing
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    going on that's been lurking deep in the
  • 10:20
    code for eight years and taking
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    everything offline until I can get it
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    patched or figure it out he's a security
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    expert in real life so you can act like
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    you can't even email me I'm taking my
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    email server off lines you're pretty
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    serious it was right as the Russia's
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    doing I don't know I couldn't find
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    anything report I couldn't find anything
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    online about it and he hasn't he can't
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    email me because he's he's he's
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    completely off the grid can he go to the
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    library maybe and send you a Gmail maybe
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    I don't know anyway so I've had my issue
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    I was doing Horowitz on Thursday did ehm
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    villagers day Thursday Tuesday every
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    Tuesday I said Thursday but I meant
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    Tuesday and everyone knows it's Tuesday
  • 11:14
    it's actually Sunday and and so I'm
  • 11:17
    talking yakkin yakkin yakkin and he's
  • 11:20
    not hearing anything or I'm not hearing
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    him he's heard me I hear everything you
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    say you typing so I said I'll let me
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    just this guy obviously one of the top
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    of Skype there's it man uses options
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    tools got all these things look there's
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    no where'd that go I'm looking at this
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    nut there so I think wait a minute I
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    prayed the wrong screen up and look at
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    another screen no this is a lot there
  • 11:43
    what happened to all this stuff and so
  • 11:46
    it's gone so you can't really do
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    anything and so I'm looking so I rely
  • 11:51
    how do I look at my audio settings so
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    the way you look at your audio settings
  • 11:56
    it turns out is you have to take the
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    pointer the little arrow flows on the
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    screen you have to put it into the box
  • 12:05
    the giant bugs and then up in the upper
  • 12:08
    right-hand corner
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    doesn't show up you mean doesn't show up
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    before you put your your pup your
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    pointer over the screen right yeah no
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    can I ask you ask you a couple questions
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    you know how to code yeah I've learned
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    why do I have to put okay I get the
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    screen it's like right now it's just a
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    big bling it's just a big black thing
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    with the picture of your little icon in
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    the middle and nothing else right right
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    as a little icon of my icon on the side
  • 12:34
    mmm now I'm gonna move the the pointer
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    into the box and now all of a sudden
  • 12:41
    your name shows up mm-hmm the little
  • 12:44
    phone the hang-up thing shows up a bunch
  • 12:46
    of stuff shows up and by the way if I
  • 12:47
    don't move the pointer it all goes away
  • 12:50
    yeah and there's a boom it just
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    disappeared I so I have to move the
  • 12:54
    pointer again so it all shows up again
  • 12:55
    what is the point of that why isn't this
  • 12:58
    information so I doesn't just stay put
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    is it is this an aesthetic thing that I
  • 13:04
    don't know you don't want to see all
  • 13:06
    this stuff because you just want to see
  • 13:08
    a big big giant black box you don't want
  • 13:10
    to know anything so unless I'm moving
  • 13:12
    the pointer around I don't see get to
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    see any of this stuff now so that little
  • 13:16
    gear up in the upper right hand corner
  • 13:17
    also goes away if you don't move let me
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    just say two things one a typical
  • 13:25
    Silicon Valley credo is we really want
  • 13:27
    the UI to get out of the way the UI
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    should get out of your way shouldn't be
  • 13:31
    in your way
  • 13:32
    so that's probably what's going on there
  • 13:34
    but remember Skype is we use it just for
  • 13:37
    audio I would say a lot of people use it
  • 13:40
    for video and that's really you know
  • 13:43
    that big black screen won't be there
  • 13:44
    because that would be the video from
  • 13:47
    your call participant
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    onward nothing's getting out of the way
  • 13:56
    the whole thing disappeared off the
  • 13:57
    screen I'd be more appreciative but it
  • 13:59
    doesn't so I'm moving to stick around so
  • 14:00
    this little gear in the corner so if I
  • 14:02
    go up to the gear and kick on it it
  • 14:04
    gives me it gives me a little classical
  • 14:07
    windows a little menu it says window
  • 14:11
    then it says it's float even mean
  • 14:17
    this is float it's the Russian that's
  • 14:24
    what I want it's the Russians they hate
  • 14:27
    you the microphone you know like a vu
  • 14:33
    meter and they get speakers and so I can
  • 14:35
    change one two it reckons change from
  • 14:37
    one speaker set to another or I can turn
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    off you know adjust speaker settings
  • 14:42
    automat and then there's something here
  • 14:45
    I can't see I see says test audio hey
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    you know I'm sorry you're so disturbed
  • 14:50
    by it but you do sound good so let's
  • 14:54
    just be happy it works that's the war
  • 14:56
    there you go there's your Silicon Valley
  • 14:58
    mantra and I think that is the silicon
  • 15:00
    but I'll just be hey you're lucky to be
  • 15:03
    alive now you're now you're transferring
  • 15:08
    your anger towards me and I just want to
  • 15:10
    do a show I just want to do a show I
  • 15:12
    don't get to see the jitter anymore I
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    don't get to see that I don't get to see
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    anything and worse is this little audio
  • 15:18
    and video settings thing at the bottom
  • 15:20
    you can see there's a little switch but
  • 15:21
    it's off screen and I can I get down to
  • 15:24
    it oh I can't okay never Mica's do that
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    Wow it's just it's just it was a lot
  • 15:33
    better before okay I got it I'm a little
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    bored now let's move on let's start the
  • 15:37
    show let's get something going people
  • 15:39
    don't have the same anger you do okay so
  • 15:45
    talking about tweeting here's Kamala
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    Harris when she was called out on the
  • 15:52
    tweet she made about that about the poor
  • 15:55
    about the Joomla guy whatever his name
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    is Jesse Smollett Jesse Jesse she said
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    it was a modern day lynching
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    somebody calls her out they'd ambushed
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    her in the mall or something they ask
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    you these questions and if you just
  • 16:10
    listen to her it's apparent she did not
  • 16:12
    write the tweet saying it was a lynching
  • 16:14
    she didn't even know it existed which
  • 16:16
    tweet what we other about saying that it
  • 16:19
    is a modern day lynching that and I'm
  • 16:36
    very concerned I really like this
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    because if you see the video she
  • 16:42
    actually turns her head and like what
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    tweet what tweet woman who does the
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    tweets and then she kicks into automatic
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    mode let me say this about that case one
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    of our favors let me say this about that
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    we have to figure it out still unfolding
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    is what she said it's still unfolding
  • 17:06
    but she has to go back into the people
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    have to stop and by the way I thought
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    this was the excuse Roger stone could
  • 17:13
    use cuz he got called out cuz Roger
  • 17:14
    stone who is arrested that he find they
  • 17:17
    threw a gag order on him cuz he couldn't
  • 17:19
    stop talking and so then he tweeted
  • 17:21
    something and they brought him back into
  • 17:22
    court and shoot him out for it and I'm
  • 17:24
    thinking he's missing out he can now say
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    I don't tweet my I don't do my own
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    tweets I can't I don't even know how to
  • 17:32
    use Twitter because I don't think half
  • 17:36
    of these politicians are doing their own
  • 17:37
    tweets I think it's already know and we
  • 17:40
    had insiders tell us that Trump doesn't
  • 17:41
    do them all know what's the point if
  • 17:45
    you're not if you know Bhama never did
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    his if you remember when Obama had the
  • 17:49
    Obama account mm-hmm he would have there
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    was the President Obama account he it
  • 17:54
    said in the on the bio it says all
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    tweets written by the president are
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    followed by the letters B oh yes I do
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    remember that yeah because he wasn't
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    doing those tweets so if nobody's doing
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    the tweets what's the point of all this
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    bullcrap all you got to remember is when
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    it comes to Jesse Smollett people are
  • 18:17
    until alleged to be involved in some
  • 18:20
    type of criminal activity there you go
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    [Music]
  • 18:25
    I do have a couple of uh I do have a
  • 18:27
    couple of fun clips about this my
  • 18:29
    favorite which we'll start with in case
  • 18:31
    we get bored he's Don LeMond last night
  • 18:34
    oh man so watch this guy well Tina was
  • 18:39
    having coffee with her daughter and so
  • 18:41
    I'm sitting alone I'm switching back and
  • 18:43
    forth just to see what people were doing
  • 18:45
    and it was him seventy five percent was
  • 18:48
    this small that case yeah which I don't
  • 18:51
    know I mean there's 20 people a a week
  • 18:53
    it killed in Chicago no one ever talks
  • 18:55
    about that in Chicago no one ever talks
  • 18:58
    about it on the on the mainstream cable
  • 19:00
    news no no this is much more important
  • 19:02
    yeah now one person has even mentioned
  • 19:04
    but I thought the fun thing about Don
  • 19:06
    Lemon the overnight sensation is that
  • 19:09
    it's he when he talks is all about him
  • 19:12
    about how important he is how fantastic
  • 19:15
    he is and of course he's gonna throw
  • 19:16
    small that under the bus and for those
  • 19:19
    you don't know what I'm sure this is
  • 19:20
    worldwide news every nit everywhere in
  • 19:23
    Europe everyone knows how important this
  • 19:25
    is what consumes us here in the United
  • 19:28
    States so I'm not so interested in the
  • 19:30
    case as I am about how the media
  • 19:32
    responds to themselves you gotta listen
  • 19:35
    to Don here and listen I just want to
  • 19:37
    talk about these stunning developments
  • 19:40
    tonight in the jussie Smollett story the
  • 19:43
    story that everyone is talking about and
  • 19:45
    I know people have been wondering what I
  • 19:48
    had to say about it but oh yeah Don
  • 19:50
    we're just Oh sitting at home just can't
  • 19:53
    wait to see what Don has to say about it
  • 19:55
    don don please you know could please
  • 19:57
    give us your wisdom out and I know
  • 19:59
    people have been wondering what I had to
  • 20:02
    say about it but here it is everybody
  • 20:04
    gather around the television set gather
  • 20:06
    around the television set Uncle Don's
  • 20:08
    gonna tell us everything and as you may
  • 20:11
    know Jesse is gay and since 2015
  • 20:14
    he has played a gay character to mall
  • 20:16
    lions why didn't he say openly gay or
  • 20:19
    Jesse happens to be gay that would have
  • 20:21
    been much cooler on Jesse's openly black
  • 20:25
    empire
  • 20:26
    see he said as you know Jesse's openly
  • 20:30
    gay is openly gay no he's just no gay he
  • 20:33
    didn't say openly he should have Jessie
  • 20:34
    is gay
  • 20:35
    yes he's gay and since 2015 he has
  • 20:38
    played a gay character Jamal Lyons on
  • 20:41
    Empire
  • 20:43
    so it's a little bit personal for me and
  • 20:45
    I'll tell you why because that's when I
  • 20:47
    met him
  • 20:48
    oh I was asked to come on the show play
  • 20:50
    myself and a little cameo I got he said
  • 20:52
    he a little cameo you know I'm Don Lemon
  • 20:55
    here to play myself on the show this is
  • 20:57
    where I met him introduced himself and
  • 20:59
    he said I'm a big fan of you know I love
  • 21:01
    your work it's good to have you here on
  • 21:03
    the set so he introduced himself to
  • 21:07
    Jesse and Jesse said I love your work
  • 21:10
    big fan Don you're the best about
  • 21:14
    themselves that's real ego right there
  • 21:17
    itself in a little cameo I got he said
  • 21:19
    he introduced himself and he said I'm a
  • 21:21
    big fan of you know I love your work
  • 21:23
    it's good to have you here on the set a
  • 21:25
    very nice guy we chatted for a couple
  • 21:29
    times after that I saw him I just I've
  • 21:31
    seen Don Lemon drunk on CNN I just
  • 21:34
    wonder if that's hot what hey how you
  • 21:36
    doing hey Don I really loved you work or
  • 21:38
    was it more like feeling was a little
  • 21:45
    different maybe when he came to New York
  • 21:47
    a couple of times I know him not best
  • 21:50
    friends but not best friends all of a
  • 21:52
    sudden I do know him so I spoke to him
  • 21:54
    while he was at the hospital not best
  • 21:57
    friends or anything his friend who was
  • 21:59
    there not really best friends there you
  • 22:11
    have called people who you don't have a
  • 22:13
    good friendship with to get the hospital
  • 22:16
    you don't do it and I think he says his
  • 22:18
    friend Ted the Jesse's friend texts
  • 22:20
    Jesse's friend texted Don and then Don
  • 22:23
    called because not really his friend
  • 22:25
    just whatever I do know him so I spoke
  • 22:28
    to him while he was at the hospital
  • 22:31
    his friend who was there texted me in
  • 22:33
    the middle of the night and said hey
  • 22:34
    this happened to Jesse I called a friend
  • 22:37
    the friend happened to be there and he
  • 22:39
    just he said Oh Jesse's here here's the
  • 22:41
    phone so he told me in his own words
  • 22:42
    what he said happened but I've also got
  • 22:46
    to tell you to be quite honest
  • 22:48
    oh that a lot of people including people
  • 22:52
    in the community my favorite which
  • 22:57
    community Don people of color and gay
  • 23:00
    people it's the people of color
  • 23:02
    community or is that a separate
  • 23:04
    community gay people people of color is
  • 23:06
    that a community Don would know Don and
  • 23:10
    Jesse they are the community but listen
  • 23:13
    to how he's saying he what he can't
  • 23:15
    bring himself to say I'd I doubted this
  • 23:18
    I didn't think this where this was
  • 23:19
    bullcrap from the beginning no other
  • 23:21
    people were people just people not Don
  • 23:23
    people including people in the community
  • 23:26
    people of color and gay people had
  • 23:30
    questions about this from the very
  • 23:33
    beginning the veracity of this story a
  • 23:37
    lot of people were reasonably skeptical
  • 23:40
    about Jesse's story some of the details
  • 23:42
    just didn't seem to make sense and as we
  • 23:46
    always say around here yeah I realized
  • 23:58
    so they stay around here fact first fact
  • 24:01
    for me that's right hey um that was
  • 24:05
    weird
  • 24:07
    oh this fact-check false i was looking
  • 24:08
    for i didn't mean to shoot anybody so it
  • 24:11
    was fun to watch it people's heads
  • 24:12
    explode and this was yesterday Charles
  • 24:16
    blow of the New York Times see I think
  • 24:18
    he's a columnist not a reporter and he's
  • 24:22
    he just couldn't wrap his head around it
  • 24:25
    well listen if jessie has done what this
  • 24:28
    police say he has done it's not just
  • 24:32
    that he's an actor Brian this is insane
  • 24:34
    person this is this is a psychopath like
  • 24:46
    what do you mean in this history this
  • 24:50
    guy never heard of this guy I mean I may
  • 24:52
    have seen him on the show but I've never
  • 24:54
    heard of this guy didn't know he has a
  • 24:55
    history he's not a public a big shot
  • 24:58
    celebrity that's on TMZ all the time
  • 25:01
    that we would know anything about him
  • 25:02
    know was Charles blow one of his pals no
  • 25:06
    I think like Don Lemon he's just not his
  • 25:08
    best friend you know they just met yeah
  • 25:10
    you really liked he really liked
  • 25:12
    Michaels work you know I love your work
  • 25:14
    and I'm Michael Charles Charles blow
  • 25:16
    great name love your work nothing by the
  • 25:24
    way I think Jesse got around and there's
  • 25:27
    pictures of him hanging out with
  • 25:28
    everybody so maybe not you know to the
  • 25:31
    public that much but definitely the
  • 25:34
    Hollywood set and the political set
  • 25:36
    people waiting trying to figure out like
  • 25:38
    please what what's the motive because
  • 25:43
    nothing at one time he was he met him
  • 25:49
    nothing in his history he was the
  • 25:50
    sweetest I mean he was just he was just
  • 25:52
    a great guy I mean how could he do
  • 25:53
    anything crazy and one time he was the
  • 25:56
    sweetest no but I just met him I think
  • 26:07
    these guys are covering something mop
  • 26:08
    the way they're presenting it well
  • 26:10
    shouldn't they just say you know no I
  • 26:15
    think it's there so chicken shit to be
  • 26:18
    associated with them that they they
  • 26:20
    can't
  • 26:20
    they can't say I'm really disappointed
  • 26:21
    he's my friend I can't believe that he
  • 26:23
    did this or if he did it or if true or
  • 26:26
    whatever it is no no they just this is
  • 26:28
    what you get in the community yeah this
  • 26:31
    is your community brethren right here
  • 26:40
    she's a big fan he was the most gracious
  • 26:43
    person I like that New York Times writer
  • 26:48
    here but he took pictures with people
  • 26:50
    when they asked he's so awesome about
  • 27:01
    why you would do this mm-hmm we'll find
  • 27:05
    out maybe two more just because because
  • 27:09
    we have because I have him this this is
  • 27:11
    the part of the story I'm very
  • 27:13
    interested in which I haven't been able
  • 27:14
    to get any more information on also this
  • 27:16
    morning we're working to get more
  • 27:17
    information about why Cook County
  • 27:19
    State's Attorney Kim Fox decided to step
  • 27:21
    down from this case Cook County State's
  • 27:24
    Attorney Kim Fox has recused herself
  • 27:25
    from the case her office saying out of
  • 27:28
    an abundance of caution the decision to
  • 27:29
    recuse herself was made to address
  • 27:31
    potential questions of impartiality
  • 27:33
    based upon familiarity with potential
  • 27:36
    witnesses in the case
  • 27:37
    I'd like to know what wouldn't potential
  • 27:39
    witnesses in the case but that's very
  • 27:42
    odd very odd this well now as you bring
  • 27:48
    all this weird stuff up yeah well
  • 27:50
    there's there's one other thing I
  • 27:51
    noticed just because everyone's trying
  • 27:53
    to figure out what really happened and
  • 27:58
    the basic theory is sure the basic
  • 28:02
    theory was that a couple of weeks
  • 28:04
    earlier he got a threatening note unless
  • 28:07
    of poison-pen letter toss style yeah Jon
  • 28:12
    who in 2019 still cuts out letters from
  • 28:16
    a magazine to paste it on paper to
  • 28:18
    threaten someone who does that when is
  • 28:23
    the last Son of Sam I mean who was the
  • 28:26
    last one to do that
  • 28:27
    it's crazy thing and he made us fuss
  • 28:30
    about it and it got zero
  • 28:32
    attention right because it was bogus and
  • 28:35
    I guess everyone's sense that it was and
  • 28:37
    so he got Kirk by the fact that no one
  • 28:39
    was paying any attention to him it's
  • 28:41
    just like this could happen to Don Lemon
  • 28:42
    by the way and we went off the rails and
  • 28:46
    hired a couple of people to do this to
  • 28:47
    create the situation up he was just
  • 28:50
    upping the ante to get some he needed
  • 28:52
    some press TMZ wasn't talking about him
  • 28:56
    that is that's the basic theory yeah I
  • 28:59
    say I really don't believe that I really
  • 29:02
    don't believe that people people do
  • 29:04
    things to get press not this something
  • 29:07
    else is happening it was I think it was
  • 29:09
    an excuse that he needed remember the
  • 29:13
    initial thinking here in Austin was he
  • 29:16
    was involved in some weird sex thing and
  • 29:18
    there's yeah but I'll tell you why I'm
  • 29:20
    still hanging on to that he flew in to
  • 29:23
    Chicago that evening from I don't know
  • 29:25
    where and but he posted on Instagram wow
  • 29:28
    it was only a two-hour flight but it
  • 29:30
    took me seven hours to get here I'm like
  • 29:32
    what happened in those five hours what
  • 29:33
    flight was it was he really on the
  • 29:35
    tarmac for five hours was he stuck
  • 29:37
    somewhere else
  • 29:37
    he didn't Instagram anything during
  • 29:40
    those seven hours that he's there were
  • 29:42
    five of them that he's not flying
  • 29:44
    what happened seems like there's an
  • 29:46
    extra five hours he did something and
  • 29:49
    exaggerated he was stuck in he was
  • 29:51
    coming in from New York which I have to
  • 29:53
    assume he could have been delayed by a
  • 29:55
    couple hours because of that jet stream
  • 29:57
    incident which happened I don't know
  • 30:01
    it's just these two brothers they seem
  • 30:03
    gay to me
  • 30:04
    okay well now it's you're gonna bring
  • 30:06
    that up I will bring up another
  • 30:07
    possibility which seems to be what
  • 30:09
    they're talking about in Austin which
  • 30:11
    and we have this situation in San
  • 30:13
    Francisco he had a city supervisor who
  • 30:15
    was one of these guys there are certain
  • 30:17
    members of the gay of the male gay
  • 30:19
    community who who like to get beat up
  • 30:22
    mm-hmm yes this is kind of where Austin
  • 30:24
    was going yeah so they get the community
  • 30:29
    you said community I love that they
  • 30:32
    getting beat up community is the
  • 30:35
    community I believe and they get beat up
  • 30:38
    and we had a City Councilman here that
  • 30:40
    would one of these guys there's been
  • 30:41
    other ones and there's been a couple
  • 30:43
    comics that were these guys
  • 30:45
    and they would go would look to get beat
  • 30:47
    up and have somebody kicked the crap out
  • 30:49
    of him he was either just a couple of
  • 30:51
    random guys or somebody there's another
  • 30:53
    gay a guy who wants to who likes to beat
  • 30:56
    guys up so that possibility is is the
  • 30:59
    real one
  • 31:00
    but why would he then pin it on a bunch
  • 31:02
    of Magha guys cuz he was embarrassed
  • 31:03
    about this behavior or know it maybe
  • 31:06
    that was his whole fantasy to get this
  • 31:12
    as long as we're hey crackpots my name
  • 31:14
    don't wear it out
  • 31:16
    anyway that's not a bad theory well and
  • 31:20
    then so he got the cut on his face
  • 31:22
    couple of Trump ruffians
  • 31:24
    we got the cut on his face he has to
  • 31:25
    explain it and then he comes up with a
  • 31:27
    story and then you think I'll just go
  • 31:29
    report it and it turns out the cops like
  • 31:30
    they take it seriously show me your
  • 31:32
    phone like I can't show you my phone
  • 31:33
    anyway here's the wrap-up for me this
  • 31:36
    was Good Morning America they was
  • 31:38
    robbing is it
  • 31:40
    Robin right Robin me no Robert rice deaq
  • 31:44
    yeah no the Robin Robin who's she's a
  • 31:48
    community member and she interviewed
  • 31:50
    Josie and you know this is the depth
  • 31:55
    interview where apparently he just lied
  • 31:57
    so this is very upset this morning and
  • 31:59
    they brought in sunny Hostin from the
  • 32:01
    view who's an attorney as you know to
  • 32:03
    Robin Roberts that's her name to discuss
  • 32:06
    this you know as a former prosecutor I
  • 32:08
    will tell you that what is very
  • 32:10
    difficult about this case is many many
  • 32:13
    hours of you know were spent
  • 32:15
    investigating it and Chicago is a very
  • 32:17
    very this area is a very very high crime
  • 32:20
    area and so those police hours could
  • 32:22
    have been spent investigating right now
  • 32:24
    is that they didn't use resources that
  • 32:27
    would have been used on other homicides
  • 32:28
    but there are clearly costs involved
  • 32:30
    here and any settlement would have to
  • 32:32
    involve paying back those claims back
  • 32:33
    those cause and also think about the
  • 32:35
    larger issue here which is the chilling
  • 32:37
    effect on victims crime victims coming
  • 32:40
    forward I spent many many many hours
  • 32:42
    trying to get victims of crimes to come
  • 32:45
    forward to testify against their abusers
  • 32:47
    against their attackers and they didn't
  • 32:49
    want to come forward because people they
  • 32:51
    thought would not believe them they
  • 32:53
    thought that there would be
  • 32:53
    repercussions they thought that there
  • 32:55
    would be consequences this
  • 32:57
    type of crime if true has a tremendous
  • 33:00
    chilling effect this this touches all
  • 33:01
    the Buckner's it does I mean it's a step
  • 33:04
    back for race relations homophobia a Mac
  • 33:07
    of supporters the fingers are pointed at
  • 33:10
    them yes I mean I cannot think of
  • 33:12
    another case where there's just there's
  • 33:13
    this anger on so many sides and and you
  • 33:16
    can understand why there would be if and
  • 33:20
    the best part still remains not a single
  • 33:22
    one of them says wow we have some part
  • 33:25
    in this he has almost single-handedly
  • 33:29
    had this chilling effect on the LGBTQ
  • 33:32
    community on the black community on on a
  • 33:35
    lot of communities on that guys getting
  • 33:37
    beat up community victims and just
  • 33:40
    there's already this divisive nough
  • 33:42
    seeing in our country a deal in this
  • 33:45
    kind of case this kind of high-profile
  • 33:47
    case I think may be very difficult to
  • 33:49
    come back yeah I think that's right and
  • 33:51
    again when you watch I think your
  • 33:53
    interview is gonna be evidence in this
  • 33:55
    case I mean that that sort of locks him
  • 33:58
    in there to a particular account and
  • 34:00
    when you watch God it is so hard to
  • 34:02
    watch that again who say now talking
  • 34:05
    about how anyone who would ever make
  • 34:07
    something up like this etc and that's
  • 34:09
    what everyone in America is thinking
  • 34:10
    right now is exactly what he said is we
  • 34:13
    should be mindful he is of course
  • 34:15
    entitled to the presumption of innocence
  • 34:17
    but my goodness if a grand jury has
  • 34:19
    indicted him he has been arrested no
  • 34:21
    people are innocent until well alleged
  • 34:24
    to be involved in some type of criminal
  • 34:25
    activity that's the CIA director ok
  • 34:27
    Robin that's how it works
  • 34:29
    because he has me but he has never yet
  • 34:30
    said he still said he hadn't done it
  • 34:33
    brothers they're saying one thing he
  • 34:34
    sent another how do you get through that
  • 34:36
    he says she said you look for objective
  • 34:38
    evidence you look for something that is
  • 34:40
    beyond just accounts you look for texts
  • 34:43
    emails
  • 34:44
    IRRI seats videos surveillance etc and a
  • 34:48
    fight though I mean it is possible tell
  • 34:50
    me if I'm wrong here but it is possible
  • 34:52
    that if in that statement he gave to the
  • 34:53
    police this morning he comes out he then
  • 34:55
    confesses and says I did do this that
  • 34:57
    could be the path
  • 34:59
    okay I'm sorry I'm a community member
  • 35:03
    let me go absolutely if you take
  • 35:05
    responsibility prosecutors always look
  • 35:08
    very very kindly on that I always did
  • 35:10
    but that doesn't necessarily mean you
  • 35:11
    get a deal I mean it still could mean
  • 35:13
    you're pleading guilty to the crime you
  • 35:14
    were charged with and you can't really
  • 35:15
    because the brothers are not getting
  • 35:17
    immunity here right the brothers
  • 35:19
    indication you know one occasion their
  • 35:21
    lawyer is saying they don't need
  • 35:22
    immunity right then their lawyers saying
  • 35:24
    that that that there's nothin CERN yeah
  • 35:27
    it's fine the media is shameful here
  • 35:30
    they already were because they took it
  • 35:32
    at face value whatever was on Huffington
  • 35:34
    Post and BuzzFeed and everyone's in the
  • 35:37
    blue checkmark Twittersphere and they're
  • 35:40
    all that and I remember Stephanie ruhle
  • 35:43
    crying on air and just just to show you
  • 35:52
    how insignificant this is fashion house
  • 35:56
    Burberry didn't think about it
  • 35:58
    Burberry is apologizing over a London
  • 36:00
    Fashion Week outfit featuring a hoodie
  • 36:02
    with a noose around the neck I'm in an
  • 36:04
    online controversy suggesting the
  • 36:05
    fashion retailer has pulled the item
  • 36:07
    which was featured in its autumn winter
  • 36:08
    collection called tempest so apparently
  • 36:12
    they had a marine theme and they thought
  • 36:14
    this this it's a slipknot
  • 36:17
    basically but it's very unfortunate very
  • 36:21
    unfortunate yes idiots
  • 36:26
    let's marketing person to Apple years
  • 36:30
    ago and it hasn't been the same sense is
  • 36:32
    that work oh really
  • 36:35
    a Polly beak aim the kind of one of the
  • 36:38
    Chiefs over there no did she do retail
  • 36:42
    retail she does the stores she just left
  • 36:45
    sorry she just left Apple oh she did oh
  • 36:48
    yeah which i think is a bad sign
  • 36:50
    personally oh yeah
  • 36:52
    probably these people like that is not
  • 36:55
    it just I always like to say there's
  • 36:57
    always somebody in an organization that
  • 36:59
    is recessed the John Lasseter effect I
  • 37:01
    think you're gonna see a lot of mistakes
  • 37:03
    made and a lot of money lost and a lot
  • 37:05
    of stuff that in the large amounts of
  • 37:08
    money because Lassiter's not there you
  • 37:11
    know the big hugger over it picks
  • 37:13
    Pixar they had to go cuz he hugged too
  • 37:15
    many people right it was politically
  • 37:18
    incorrect a hug in California mind you
  • 37:22
    so he's out but he was the guy cuz his
  • 37:25
    name was never he was never producing
  • 37:27
    abies writing a lot of this stuff but he
  • 37:28
    was mostly a script fixer and a guy he
  • 37:31
    was the guy but say no no no that's we
  • 37:33
    don't do that because of this no no you
  • 37:35
    can't do this and it's and after a while
  • 37:37
    I guess it gets on your nerves you get
  • 37:39
    some guy telling you not to do stuff but
  • 37:41
    you need those people and you get rid of
  • 37:44
    him and next thing you know you're gonna
  • 37:46
    see issues Toy Story 4 already has
  • 37:50
    issues I think that's another movie I
  • 37:53
    probably won't go and watch anyways
  • 37:55
    no no skin off my nose on this I was
  • 38:00
    gonna stay in the community but yeah
  • 38:04
    continue with what you were well I'm
  • 38:07
    going to stay in the LGBTQ community
  • 38:10
    although I believe it's LGBTQ QA apk the
  • 38:15
    Trump administration launching a
  • 38:16
    fantastic initiative to stop the
  • 38:21
    aggression and hostility towards gay
  • 38:26
    people around the world with a slight
  • 38:29
    little twist NBC News is reporting
  • 38:31
    exclusively that the Trump
  • 38:33
    administration is now launching a global
  • 38:35
    campaign to stop countries around the
  • 38:37
    world from criminalizing homosexuality
  • 38:39
    especially countries where being gay can
  • 38:42
    lead to the death penalty know what
  • 38:44
    countries do we have hmm let me see what
  • 38:48
    country could the be number one on their
  • 38:50
    list he was ambassador to Germany
  • 38:51
    Richard Grinnell the highest profile
  • 38:53
    openly gay person at a high rank in the
  • 38:55
    Trump administration unbelievable as a
  • 38:57
    gay guy in the Trump administration it's
  • 38:59
    can't be true leading this effort
  • 39:00
    kicking off tonight in Berlin joining me
  • 39:03
    now from Berlin NBC national political
  • 39:05
    reporter josh letterman
  • 39:06
    who broke the story Josh tell me about
  • 39:09
    what what propelled this why did Rick
  • 39:12
    Crennel take this on well Andrea here in
  • 39:14
    Berlin tonight Rick Grinnell will be
  • 39:16
    kicking off this campaign that involves
  • 39:18
    a lot of other US embassies as well as
  • 39:20
    the State Department's Bureau that deals
  • 39:22
    with human rights issues to try to get
  • 39:26
    contracted well if you wait what they
  • 39:29
    put a guy with a lisp to report this
  • 39:32
    well listen he's in the community it's
  • 39:36
    not the Lisp is not the giveaway but
  • 39:39
    he's in the community means Bureau that
  • 39:41
    deals with human rights issues to try to
  • 39:44
    get countries that still outlaw
  • 39:47
    homosexuality to change their laws what
  • 39:49
    led to this well one major thing was the
  • 39:52
    reported recent hanging of a young gay
  • 39:55
    man in Iran back on your old thesis from
  • 40:06
    number of years ago you wanted to get
  • 40:09
    something done start killing gay you
  • 40:11
    gotta throw some gays off the roof
  • 40:13
    that's what people pay attention yeah
  • 40:16
    we've done the show we have been
  • 40:18
    concluding that Iran is the target of a
  • 40:22
    war
  • 40:23
    yes rubble isin campaign yes it's really
  • 40:27
    on deck and well let me just dislike
  • 40:30
    twenty seconds left let's see if there's
  • 40:31
    anything left send diskless I'm think
  • 40:32
    that US officials found to be quite
  • 40:34
    disturbing and they wanted to take
  • 40:35
    action against this of course this plays
  • 40:37
    right into the Trump administration
  • 40:39
    strategy to try to isolate Iran
  • 40:41
    denigrate Iran and it helps the Trump
  • 40:44
    administration find a point of agreement
  • 40:46
    with European countries about Iran that
  • 40:49
    has been quite lacking as the
  • 40:51
    administration has been trying but
  • 40:52
    failing to get European countries to
  • 40:55
    leave the Iran nuclear deal
  • 40:58
    yes very perceptive reporting from MSNBC
  • 41:02
    that was that was a pretty they know
  • 41:04
    what they're doing I think they're just
  • 41:05
    slumped into it why don't they I mean I
  • 41:07
    presume that we'll also go after Saudi
  • 41:10
    Arabia I'm pretty sure they don't like
  • 41:15
    their community members over there
  • 41:18
    Shh so okay very cynical President Trump
  • 41:23
    very very cynical
  • 41:26
    it's an Iran where they're killing him
  • 41:28
    left and right stoning us nowhere else
  • 41:31
    that's good well I want to go back to
  • 41:35
    the black side of things cuz I got a
  • 41:37
    note from the incog-negro ah he's still
  • 41:40
    around
  • 41:41
    hey listen to the show but he doesn't
  • 41:43
    like to admit it but he's become it he
  • 41:45
    just hates the show is he on reddit cuz
  • 41:49
    he should go hang out there but he did
  • 41:54
    turn me on to the he did turn me on to
  • 41:57
    something called a das and it's a new
  • 42:00
    kind of it's burgeoning it's not it's
  • 42:02
    not big yet but there but it's I've out
  • 42:05
    give you an example but his attitude
  • 42:07
    toward us though I'm gonna read from his
  • 42:10
    note not that I'm expecting anything
  • 42:14
    remarkable from a couple of professed
  • 42:16
    white guys whose politics lean toward
  • 42:19
    the maintenance of privilege but here's
  • 42:24
    a rejoinder for you if you care to reply
  • 42:26
    to end Adams insight about Harris's
  • 42:29
    great-great-grandmother her
  • 42:31
    great-grandmother or whatever but he
  • 42:33
    doesn't really give me a rejoinder he
  • 42:35
    gives me some info I'm on this thing
  • 42:37
    called a das which is Americans the
  • 42:40
    hell's the thing of it American American
  • 42:42
    descendants of slavery oh and this is a
  • 42:45
    new organization and this you can find
  • 42:47
    at a dot-com or something like that it
  • 42:50
    is run by a couple of people that are
  • 42:53
    they've got a lot of political chops
  • 42:55
    they've been in the business a lot but
  • 42:57
    one of them does a little podcast every
  • 42:58
    once in awhile and I'd love to get an
  • 43:02
    interview with her her name is where is
  • 43:07
    her Yvette Carnell mm-hmm it's at the
  • 43:11
    bottom I have two clips from her to give
  • 43:14
    you a taste of her kind of ranting out
  • 43:16
    this ranting was done before the
  • 43:17
    election it's one of her she keeps up
  • 43:20
    the top of the page she also does a she
  • 43:22
    does a podcast both these guys do
  • 43:24
    podcasts most these people in the 8th US
  • 43:26
    and it's kind of a it's a kind of a back
  • 43:30
    door into reparation
  • 43:31
    and I think it's something to follow
  • 43:33
    because the people are have a have a lot
  • 43:36
    of still bubbling under this topic of
  • 43:38
    reparations it's it's definitely there
  • 43:40
    these two may have they may have a
  • 43:43
    different angle but if vet is really an
  • 43:46
    interesting person from her perspective
  • 43:47
    and I don't even like playing these
  • 43:50
    clips because these are like messages to
  • 43:52
    the black community from a member of the
  • 43:54
    black member a black person actually
  • 43:56
    she's on board with this community thing
  • 43:59
    being bullcrap and I just want to play
  • 44:01
    these two clips which I thought were
  • 44:03
    both funny let's play the first one you
  • 44:06
    know we have a community in collapse and
  • 44:08
    why I despise the people that go on
  • 44:11
    MSNBC like joy Reed and the people that
  • 44:14
    she has on our show is because day in
  • 44:16
    and day out they lots of black people
  • 44:18
    they say no Donald Trump is wrong you're
  • 44:21
    doing better than that look at me I'm on
  • 44:23
    TV look at me I'm just woman I'm
  • 44:25
    interviewing she has a company and they
  • 44:27
    say we're doing better than that and the
  • 44:28
    truth is they're lying and they lie to
  • 44:31
    us every day and that's why I'm so sick
  • 44:34
    I'm sorry I try not the person I said
  • 44:35
    I'm sick of joy read I'm sick of the
  • 44:37
    people to see who bites on her show I'm
  • 44:39
    sitting first speaking on behalf of
  • 44:41
    black people I'm sick of Charles blow
  • 44:43
    speaking on behalf of black people I
  • 44:45
    don't represent black people and neither
  • 44:46
    do these people the data represents you
  • 44:49
    though so what I want you to do is just
  • 44:51
    get involved in the data everything out
  • 44:54
    everything I've said on here can be
  • 44:56
    proven everything I've said on here
  • 44:58
    there's a data that supports it don't
  • 44:59
    just listen to people who are lying to
  • 45:01
    you and don't just believe because you
  • 45:03
    went to brunch on Sunday that you're a
  • 45:04
    part of the middle class why don't you
  • 45:07
    like playing this I think that's
  • 45:08
    hilarious oh it is good but it seems
  • 45:10
    seems a little it's a little harsh oh
  • 45:13
    yeah we got to this from the community
  • 45:15
    member the incog-negro she has the yeah
  • 45:19
    well he didn't tell me to play these
  • 45:20
    clips he just told me he just what else
  • 45:22
    did he said a couple of nasty things
  • 45:24
    she's nasty guy Trump got elected a lot
  • 45:29
    of he's become a negative force oh so
  • 45:32
    here she is again talking about another
  • 45:34
    general kind of complaint of hers which
  • 45:37
    I thought I thought was highly amusing
  • 45:39
    she her basic argument is that black
  • 45:41
    people as a whole are poor and
  • 45:44
    [Music]
  • 45:45
    Trump has said this and he's bitched
  • 45:47
    about the community being poor and I
  • 45:48
    need help and she says just because
  • 45:50
    Trump said that doesn't mean he's wrong
  • 45:52
    like everyone says he's wrong because
  • 45:53
    he's Trump Jen she says he's right and
  • 45:56
    she's trying to like you know to get
  • 45:59
    people to look at the stats cuz the
  • 46:00
    stats aren't good and as opposed to the
  • 46:03
    bold crap that we were being presented
  • 46:04
    by rich blacks but let's play the second
  • 46:07
    clip so you know the one thing that I
  • 46:08
    wish that's one channel only but I'll
  • 46:11
    live all of these hip-hop people would
  • 46:16
    stop just posing in front of a car every
  • 46:19
    time they got some money you know it's
  • 46:21
    funny we don't see Bill Gates right now
  • 46:22
    he has more money and out and put
  • 46:24
    together you we don't see him every time
  • 46:26
    he gets a new car pose in front of a car
  • 46:28
    because it's just stupid it's just what
  • 46:31
    children do so what you see with a lot
  • 46:33
    of these black celebrities is that
  • 46:35
    they're they're their children and grown
  • 46:37
    people's bodies they're still bragging
  • 46:38
    about their cars and the things they
  • 46:40
    have and the thing is we know that you
  • 46:42
    know the bankruptcy is coming so I don't
  • 46:44
    even know why anybody cheers that on
  • 46:46
    because the minute the bankruptcy comes
  • 46:47
    you say oh my gosh I can't believe why
  • 46:49
    did he why did he take care of his money
  • 46:50
    more because he needed to tell because
  • 46:52
    you needed him to be wealthy you needed
  • 46:54
    him to put on this fake and his
  • 46:55
    fraudulent thing you know so that's the
  • 46:58
    only reason if it wasn't for black
  • 47:01
    athletes if it wasn't for black
  • 47:02
    celebrities we wouldn't we wouldn't know
  • 47:04
    that black people don't have money if it
  • 47:06
    wasn't for credit if you had to pay cash
  • 47:08
    to go get a house like you have to do in
  • 47:10
    third-world countries you would know
  • 47:11
    that you're poor there is you don't let
  • 47:13
    your poor is because you can go and get
  • 47:15
    alone you know it's interesting I and I
  • 47:17
    clipped it in like tossed it cuz I
  • 47:19
    didn't think it was that good and I wish
  • 47:20
    I'd kept it Obama did a speech on behalf
  • 47:23
    of his library or foundation and he said
  • 47:27
    something very similar he said you know
  • 47:29
    if you're really what do you say if if
  • 47:33
    you really secure about yourself you
  • 47:35
    don't need eight women twerking around
  • 47:37
    in front of you very similar to that
  • 47:39
    I'll have to I'll have to bring it in
  • 47:41
    for
  • 47:42
    for Sunday yeah why Tom even knew hmm I
  • 47:49
    mean I'll keep track of these these
  • 47:51
    folks because it seems that they have
  • 47:54
    they have a message that's a little more
  • 47:56
    realistic yeah it's real they have a
  • 48:00
    realistic message nothing needs to be
  • 48:02
    achieved to get the results are looking
  • 48:05
    for and so far as the problem is but all
  • 48:09
    she's really doing it's all she's doing
  • 48:11
    is saying do your own research figure
  • 48:13
    people won't do that very few people at
  • 48:15
    people who are produced to no agenda
  • 48:17
    show do that but it's a small community
  • 48:19
    you know people just like to be fed
  • 48:23
    stuff it's way beyond waking people up
  • 48:25
    whereas asleep well these little
  • 48:28
    lectures that she does or I think very
  • 48:32
    snap people and few people but I'd like
  • 48:34
    to keep your eye on the on her I want to
  • 48:36
    hear more and thank you incog-negro for
  • 48:38
    introducing us via via to this now I
  • 48:42
    wanted I've done a lot of or as much as
  • 48:44
    I could research on Venezuela I have
  • 48:48
    some things to share and I really have
  • 48:50
    to start with Haiti because turns out
  • 48:52
    these two are related
  • 48:54
    we've had these riots going on in Haiti
  • 48:59
    what's going on why is that happening
  • 49:01
    was the we in fact Haiti was my beat
  • 49:04
    right after the 2011 2011 earthquake
  • 49:08
    thing was 2011 it was 10 years ago
  • 49:11
    yeah 2009 a while ago and I remember it
  • 49:21
    being very odd because there was this
  • 49:23
    earthquake that was very shallow in
  • 49:25
    depth and it destroyed Haiti did nothing
  • 49:27
    to the Dominican Republic it's the same
  • 49:29
    landmass the same island they had
  • 49:32
    nothing now of course Haiti you know is
  • 49:34
    a shanty town almost so it's it's always
  • 49:38
    been problematic but you got to have a
  • 49:40
    lot of respect for the Haitians as in 10
  • 49:42
    2010 a lot of respect for the Haitians
  • 49:45
    as they are still to date I think the
  • 49:47
    only country that really kicked their
  • 49:49
    overlords out being France although they
  • 49:51
    were left with some huge debt that they
  • 49:53
    they will never be able to pay off
  • 49:56
    and I was listening a couple of people
  • 49:58
    emailed me at Jer about Jeremy Scahill
  • 50:00
    podcasts the intercepted the intercept
  • 50:03
    podcast Danny and he had a couple of
  • 50:06
    very interesting people on so I want to
  • 50:09
    share some clips from this and podcast
  • 50:10
    is really where we get the the real info
  • 50:12
    from these days but first let's go back
  • 50:15
    and this is let me see did I have
  • 50:20
    because he has two guests on and this em
  • 50:25
    Tim eyes kim eyes is a journal who works
  • 50:31
    for some Haitian newspaper which also
  • 50:34
    has a Brooklyn office and he's gonna
  • 50:37
    give us a little backstory on what was
  • 50:39
    happening just before after during and
  • 50:42
    after the earthquake in 2010 the first
  • 50:44
    thing that prevailed did when he came
  • 50:46
    into power after his second election was
  • 50:50
    signed the Petrocaribe deal with Vincent
  • 50:52
    de Rangel the Venezuelan vice-president
  • 50:55
    so he signs this agreement and it took
  • 50:59
    them two years basically to get the oil
  • 51:01
    really flowing and get the Petrocaribe
  • 51:03
    fund this capital fund so the u.s. now
  • 51:07
    was pissed about this and here comes the
  • 51:09
    earthquake and they say ah here's the
  • 51:12
    golden opportunity so they basically
  • 51:14
    took over provides government the
  • 51:16
    Pentagon who landed 20,000 US troops
  • 51:20
    with no invitation from Haiti no but we
  • 51:22
    forget so quickly don't only what what a
  • 51:24
    big deal this was it was covered
  • 51:26
    everywhere we had everyone on TV
  • 51:28
    shilling for the Haiti foundation send
  • 51:32
    us money
  • 51:33
    the Clintons of course this was this was
  • 51:36
    a big deal permission even from Haiti
  • 51:38
    send in Hillary Clinton to start to
  • 51:41
    stage manage everything and then Bill
  • 51:44
    Clinton's running the ad interim
  • 51:46
    recovery Commission and together the
  • 51:49
    Clintons played prominent roles after
  • 51:51
    the earthquake
  • 51:52
    as for-profit companies and aid
  • 51:55
    organizations rushed in to be part of a
  • 51:58
    ten billion dollar reconstruction
  • 52:00
    program they passed a law state of
  • 52:02
    emergency and basically took over the
  • 52:04
    government and started to bring in of
  • 52:06
    course all the usual contractors you
  • 52:08
    know Brown and Root and Halliburton
  • 52:11
    Halliburton etc etc rebuilding so we all
  • 52:15
    kind of remember that and wound up I
  • 52:17
    think the total tally was six houses
  • 52:19
    that were built they have a mobile phone
  • 52:22
    network which is now the banking system
  • 52:25
    all mobile everything is paid through
  • 52:26
    through micro payments on mobile another
  • 52:29
    one of the clintons buddies came in to
  • 52:31
    do that is I think there's a Clinton
  • 52:32
    hotel I'm not mistaken I think there was
  • 52:36
    something that's on the other Shore so
  • 52:38
    they it's where they had its the deep
  • 52:40
    water so they can you know roll around
  • 52:43
    whatever and of course if you look at
  • 52:44
    the map Haiti is just north of the
  • 52:47
    Venezuela and that's why they had this
  • 52:48
    pipeline and then all sudden the
  • 52:50
    earthquake came along blew up that
  • 52:52
    pipeline that's all gone
  • 52:54
    and why well looks like this deal they
  • 52:56
    cut with the Caribe which was a loan
  • 53:00
    that was part of the problem what is
  • 53:03
    happening on the ground right now in
  • 53:04
    Haiti well it's an uprising similar to
  • 53:07
    30 years ago in he ended up having to be
  • 53:29
    flown out of Haiti on a US Air Force
  • 53:32
    plane to a golden exile in France but
  • 53:35
    the rebellion continued for the next
  • 53:37
    five years and resulted in the election
  • 53:40
    of jean-bertrand Aristide in 1990 so I
  • 53:45
    feel we're in a similar period basically
  • 53:47
    the people are fed up with this neo de
  • 53:51
    valor' is been in power basically since
  • 53:54
    2011
  • 53:55
    thanks to Hillary Clinton and Bill
  • 53:58
    Clinton who facilitated the rise of
  • 54:01
    Michel Martelly
  • 54:03
    who was able to
  • 54:06
    capture the presidency and then plunder
  • 54:09
    the Petrocaribe fund that Venezuela had
  • 54:13
    provided Haiti about four billion
  • 54:14
    dollars worth of oil revenues thereby
  • 54:17
    have his a successor elected who is
  • 54:20
    Chauvin Elmo is the guy currently in
  • 54:22
    power so the people are fed up with the
  • 54:24
    corruption and with the misery that
  • 54:27
    they're in because the money that was
  • 54:29
    supposed to go for development programs
  • 54:31
    that Hugo Chavez envisioned happening
  • 54:33
    instead went into chalets and fast cars
  • 54:36
    no so I think the people are pissed
  • 54:38
    about that so you know they I guess this
  • 54:46
    is the the little quick clip of white
  • 54:48
    what is being blamed on this rioting in
  • 54:50
    February the International Monetary Fund
  • 54:52
    agreed to give Haiti ninety six million
  • 54:55
    dollars in much-needed funds but only if
  • 54:58
    the government agreed to several
  • 54:59
    measures one of which was raising the
  • 55:02
    price of a government subsidized fuel
  • 55:03
    yeah by fifty percent so people are
  • 55:06
    flipping out and we have a big hand in
  • 55:10
    this and this is where it starts to fold
  • 55:12
    in to Venezuela with something called
  • 55:14
    the what is it the OAS the Organization
  • 55:19
    of American States right it's the major
  • 55:22
    just got like a UN of yeah yeah well
  • 55:26
    this is where it gets interesting the US
  • 55:28
    basically sees Haiti as a pawn in their
  • 55:31
    war against Venezuela they can't do it
  • 55:33
    through the UN Security Council their
  • 55:35
    usual fig-leaf because of the problems
  • 55:38
    now with Russia and China who are going
  • 55:40
    to put the kibosh on that with their
  • 55:42
    veto in the Security Council so they
  • 55:45
    have to go to the junior varsity which
  • 55:47
    is of course the OAS the Organization of
  • 55:49
    American States would but Cuba rightly
  • 55:52
    calls Washington's Ministry of colonial
  • 55:54
    affairs so they're trying to push
  • 55:57
    through this Democratic Charter which
  • 56:01
    was passed on September 11 2001 which
  • 56:05
    basically says if two-thirds of the 35
  • 56:08
    members of the OAS can vote together
  • 56:12
    they can intervene in another country
  • 56:15
    right now they have 19 votes Haiti voted
  • 56:20
    against sanctioning Venezuela in March
  • 56:23
    2017 OAS vote then there was another
  • 56:26
    vote last year and they abstained but
  • 56:30
    this year on January 10th finally the
  • 56:33
    brow beating and the bullying and the
  • 56:35
    bribery maybe came to fruition and they
  • 56:39
    voted with Washington that Nicolas
  • 56:42
    Maduro was illegitimate after receiving
  • 56:44
    these four billion dollars in
  • 56:46
    Petrocaribe funds so that was really the
  • 56:48
    spark that set off the rebellion we're
  • 56:50
    seeing today the people said come on
  • 56:52
    that's just too much so we couldn't do
  • 56:55
    it through the United Nations and I'm
  • 56:57
    saying we as in the United States so
  • 56:59
    yeah you know let's maybe they work
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    these OAS there's also a new group
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    called the Lima group which is all these
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    Caribbean islands and they also have you
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    know they have pledged to not let
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    Venezuela go down in flames and a new
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    member to that group is Guiana and this
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    is what Rick Rex Tillerson was all about
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    there is a new oil field that has been
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    discovered off the coast of Guiana it's
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    right next to Venezuela and even though
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    it's invented Guyana's territorial
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    waters venezuela claims this and this i
  • 57:39
    think this thing was discovered in very
  • 57:41
    early on 2008 or something and no one
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    really had anything going on because it
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    was dispute as to who owned it and exxon
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    under Rex Tillerson made a deal to start
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    drilling there and this thing is
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    supposed to be bigger than than the
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    field that Venezuela has existing and
  • 57:59
    much lighter and and therefore I think
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    more valuable yeah Trude is much much
  • 58:05
    much lighter so everyone is vying for
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    this and this is what it's about that's
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    why everyone is in there interestingly
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    Exxon only they're the majority
  • 58:14
    shareholder 60 percent but they also
  • 58:16
    have the CNOOC in there the Chinese oil
  • 58:19
    company they own 25% now a little bit of
  • 58:22
    Venezuela little bit of Guiana and I
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    think maybe some French or something or
  • 58:25
    in there um this is what it's about
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    that's what Tillerson was after and I
  • 58:30
    don't know
  • 58:31
    if the agendas crossed between Trump and
  • 58:35
    Tillerson but for sure now that I look
  • 58:37
    at in context of the wall I think Trump
  • 58:41
    has a very if it's him or if it's
  • 58:43
    neo-cons or whoever the hell it is I
  • 58:45
    think it's him
  • 58:47
    he has a very very cynical plan underway
  • 58:49
    listen to what he said this was in Miami
  • 58:55
    hello Miami I am thrilled to be back in
  • 58:58
    the state I love with so many proud
  • 59:00
    freedom loving Patriots we're here to
  • 59:04
    proclaim a new day is coming in Latin
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    America it's a new day is co not just
  • 59:12
    saying in Venezuela be saying in Latin
  • 59:15
    America a new day is coming I think the
  • 59:18
    plan is to well have whether it's rubble
  • 59:22
    eyes and rebuild but we're going to
  • 59:24
    capture this this is the this is the
  • 59:26
    plan and you need a wall because
  • 59:28
    everyone's going to be coming up north
  • 59:30
    it's yes you need the wall because yeah
  • 59:37
    okay we don't we don't technically need
  • 59:39
    the wall but we do need the wall for
  • 59:41
    this reason this yes the future yes yes
  • 59:44
    and and you know it's gonna be a quick
  • 59:46
    strategy what Trump did this is George
  • 59:51
    chikka rillo he said with a think tank
  • 59:54
    was explicitly to pressure not just the
  • 59:56
    inner circle of Maduro but also military
  • 59:59
    leaders more broadly he sort of gave
  • 1:00:01
    them an ultimatum he said you know you
  • 1:00:03
    would you like to live out the rest of
  • 1:00:05
    your lives
  • 1:00:06
    comfortably with your families or do you
  • 1:00:08
    want to go down with this sinking ship
  • 1:00:09
    so it was explicitly a threat it's the
  • 1:00:11
    same increasingly desperate attempt to
  • 1:00:13
    split the Venezuelan military Trump and
  • 1:00:16
    the in the Venezuelan opposition thought
  • 1:00:18
    that this would happen immediately it of
  • 1:00:19
    course didn't and so now what they're
  • 1:00:21
    really trying to do is to turn the
  • 1:00:22
    screws and to up the narrative and in
  • 1:00:25
    the rhetorical is sort of fire toward
  • 1:00:28
    Venezuela to make it a broad historical
  • 1:00:30
    shift this is explicit interventionism
  • 1:00:33
    and it's attempt to of course an attempt
  • 1:00:35
    at regime change and attempt to you know
  • 1:00:38
    had a coup and an attempt to use this
  • 1:00:40
    sort of fake you know humanitarian aid
  • 1:00:43
    as a Trojan horse to bring
  • 1:00:45
    government which is what appears to be
  • 1:00:48
    happening all these military transports
  • 1:00:50
    coming in to Colombia at the border
  • 1:00:53
    saying oh we want to get in and we have
  • 1:00:56
    we got food for everybody it's kind of
  • 1:00:58
    like the Haiti strategy you know it's
  • 1:01:00
    like oh look we got all these troops and
  • 1:01:02
    military transport here we're here to
  • 1:01:03
    help we're from the government don't
  • 1:01:04
    worry long term strategy again this guy
  • 1:01:08
    from the think tank you know Andrew
  • 1:01:09
    McCabe who's on his media tour right now
  • 1:01:12
    for his book and the big headlines that
  • 1:01:14
    he made was talking about plans to
  • 1:01:17
    allegedly invoke the 25th amendment to
  • 1:01:20
    try to have Donald Trump removed as
  • 1:01:22
    president based on his sounds weird but
  • 1:01:24
    it's related his mental health or lack
  • 1:01:26
    thereof but he also talks about
  • 1:01:29
    Venezuela in his book and I just want to
  • 1:01:31
    read George a quote from Andrew McCabe's
  • 1:01:33
    book about a 2017 oval office meeting he
  • 1:01:37
    says quote then the president talked
  • 1:01:39
    about Venezuela that's the country we
  • 1:01:41
    should be going to war with he said they
  • 1:01:44
    have all that oil and they're right on
  • 1:01:46
    our backdoor do you think that's true do
  • 1:01:49
    you think he said that oh you know he
  • 1:01:53
    says so much stuff it wouldn't be it
  • 1:01:55
    wouldn't be out of question out of the
  • 1:01:57
    question that he said it McCabe is I
  • 1:02:00
    think he's something of a liar so I
  • 1:02:04
    don't know if he actually did say what
  • 1:02:07
    the model fits the model model at really
  • 1:02:11
    what you see as the u.s. agenda here
  • 1:02:14
    George they've been very clear about
  • 1:02:16
    that but I think the quote that you read
  • 1:02:18
    is is also very revealing he says all
  • 1:02:20
    that oil and they're you know they're
  • 1:02:22
    right there in our backyard essentially
  • 1:02:24
    right we're talking the the Monroe
  • 1:02:25
    Doctrine so this is all know the Monroe
  • 1:02:28
    Doctrine yes James Monroe when he was
  • 1:02:31
    president he developed some this is he's
  • 1:02:34
    like the seventh president he's very
  • 1:02:36
    early on he you look it up and he who's
  • 1:02:40
    also if you saw a picture of him just to
  • 1:02:42
    go as an aside here I picked it in the
  • 1:02:43
    National Gallery there's a painting by
  • 1:02:45
    Gilbert Stewart that superstar portrait
  • 1:02:49
    portrait artist and you can look at him
  • 1:02:51
    you can stand right by this painting you
  • 1:02:52
    look at me you see this is the biggest
  • 1:02:53
    prick
  • 1:03:00
    but he decided that anything that was an
  • 1:03:03
    in the Western Hemisphere period belongs
  • 1:03:06
    to us we have we have he has some it was
  • 1:03:11
    the Monroe Doctrine but it has to do
  • 1:03:13
    with it's not sovereignty but influence
  • 1:03:17
    we have to be the primary influence of
  • 1:03:19
    the whole whole hemisphere yeah foam
  • 1:03:22
    finger number one
  • 1:03:23
    yeah we're number one oh there right
  • 1:03:25
    there in our backyard essentially right
  • 1:03:26
    we're talking the the Monroe Doctrine so
  • 1:03:28
    this is about economics in other words
  • 1:03:30
    it is about economic control but it's
  • 1:03:33
    also about political control and I think
  • 1:03:35
    we should remember that because part of
  • 1:03:37
    what the chavies the legacy is is not
  • 1:03:39
    just the you know input the the demand
  • 1:03:43
    for national sovereignty but the
  • 1:03:45
    construction of regional alliances in
  • 1:03:48
    other words we've been talking about
  • 1:03:48
    about Petrocaribe but also other
  • 1:03:51
    international regional alliances
  • 1:03:54
    partnerships that have provided a
  • 1:03:56
    cushion for Latin American countries to
  • 1:03:58
    act independently in other words not
  • 1:04:01
    having to appeal to the World Bank in
  • 1:04:03
    the IMF for funding if they have a
  • 1:04:04
    momentary glitch in their economy being
  • 1:04:07
    able to borrow money from us whele from
  • 1:04:09
    argentina what's happened over the past
  • 1:04:11
    few years is that this regional Alliance
  • 1:04:13
    has been disintegrated bit by bit you
  • 1:04:15
    know we're talking about crews in
  • 1:04:17
    Honduras quasi crews in Brazil in
  • 1:04:20
    Paraguay
  • 1:04:21
    elections in Argentina in Chile in
  • 1:04:23
    Colombia that have really helped to pull
  • 1:04:26
    apart this this regional alliance the
  • 1:04:28
    Lima group is the product of this in
  • 1:04:30
    other words the new right-wing in Latin
  • 1:04:32
    America that has made it harder and so
  • 1:04:34
    in the absence of the USS ability to
  • 1:04:36
    overthrow Chavez as they fail to do in
  • 1:04:38
    2002 they said about you know working
  • 1:04:41
    around the edges and tearing apart on
  • 1:04:43
    this regional unity and they've been
  • 1:04:45
    very successful at that which now makes
  • 1:04:47
    Venezuela that much more susceptible to
  • 1:04:50
    their direct pressure and of course the
  • 1:04:53
    goal of that regional control is
  • 1:04:54
    economic control is the ability to
  • 1:04:56
    intervene and have you know these
  • 1:04:58
    resources these markets at their at
  • 1:05:02
    their command
  • 1:05:02
    it is I think Trump has his eye on it he
  • 1:05:06
    wants to go get that and I end
  • 1:05:11
    he's probably estate guy he really is
  • 1:05:15
    oil centric and he said the same thing
  • 1:05:18
    about you know when a rock yeah a rock
  • 1:05:20
    all the speeches was always about we
  • 1:05:21
    should have taken the oil from the rock
  • 1:05:23
    yeah you know for all the work we did
  • 1:05:26
    there and he really thinks that the oil
  • 1:05:27
    they oughta belong to us then he did he
  • 1:05:29
    assigns Exxon CEO Tillerson the chief of
  • 1:05:34
    an orange IV the oil company who in 2015
  • 1:05:38
    was drilling right there yeah and so he
  • 1:05:41
    assigns him a secretary of the state
  • 1:05:42
    thinking but Tillerson screwed it up
  • 1:05:45
    some brie I'm gonna make it just a side
  • 1:05:48
    commentary I don't think Trump realizes
  • 1:05:50
    or realize with Tillerson I think Trump
  • 1:05:54
    is is like a populist in the way that he
  • 1:05:56
    thinks he has popular thoughts that run
  • 1:05:58
    through his brain for example when I was
  • 1:06:01
    working at Union Oil and I went to work
  • 1:06:04
    for the air pollution district it wasn't
  • 1:06:07
    that I was working for the oil company
  • 1:06:08
    anymore I was now working for the
  • 1:06:10
    regulatory agency and I had no trouble
  • 1:06:13
    because I had inside information on how
  • 1:06:15
    oil some I didn't have a lot I'll come
  • 1:06:19
    here so I had no problem going from a
  • 1:06:21
    gut from a private sector job and then
  • 1:06:23
    doing my job specifically against the
  • 1:06:27
    companies I worked for cuz it was not a
  • 1:06:30
    it was an adversary type thing and it's
  • 1:06:33
    not a problem at this one when I see
  • 1:06:34
    people switch over from one side to the
  • 1:06:35
    other I know that you can do it so until
  • 1:06:38
    erson switched from Exxon to 16 I think
  • 1:06:42
    Trump thought like it was like the
  • 1:06:44
    popular like the popular thought is he's
  • 1:06:47
    still an oil guy but he just happens to
  • 1:06:48
    be Secretary of State no no once he
  • 1:06:51
    became Secretary of State he was
  • 1:06:52
    Secretary of State and that's kind of
  • 1:06:54
    screwed screwed right through this idea
  • 1:06:56
    he doesn't understand this mechanism
  • 1:06:58
    which is a fact well I think of anything
  • 1:07:04
    if I can say anything good about this
  • 1:07:06
    the I would hope that the reason is he
  • 1:07:09
    wants to make sure this all up give
  • 1:07:12
    people some democracy before China does
  • 1:07:15
    some
  • 1:07:15
    Russia ought to be worried about Russia
  • 1:07:17
    Russia has that they don't have enough
  • 1:07:18
    money to do this they don't have the
  • 1:07:20
    resources
  • 1:07:20
    China's there China is you know owns 25%
  • 1:07:24
    of of this of this new new license from
  • 1:07:30
    that exxon has or their 25% in the
  • 1:07:32
    company they're not gonna be very happy
  • 1:07:34
    because I'm sure they're thinking I will
  • 1:07:36
    just take all this well you know if
  • 1:07:38
    China is if they keep cutting China in
  • 1:07:42
    and leaving it so China doesn't really
  • 1:07:44
    get a you know too much that's the
  • 1:07:47
    problem of China side which I think you
  • 1:07:49
    exemplified that with this wall way guy
  • 1:07:52
    now son he thinks he's king of the world
  • 1:07:55
    you know douchebag yeah I think that
  • 1:07:59
    it's okay but China's keeps doing all
  • 1:08:02
    this you know they're kind of they're
  • 1:08:03
    they don't they're not pure capitalist
  • 1:08:05
    there's all kinds of sneaky things and
  • 1:08:07
    so you have to be careful I think
  • 1:08:08
    Trump's aware of that I love the wall
  • 1:08:11
    theory yeah I'm subscribing to it that
  • 1:08:15
    that's the reason for the wall it makes
  • 1:08:17
    sense when you put this all together see
  • 1:08:19
    ya
  • 1:08:19
    so something he knew was gonna happen a
  • 1:08:21
    long time ago probably when he's laying
  • 1:08:23
    the best laid plans and he's that
  • 1:08:28
    forward a thinker then it said we have
  • 1:08:30
    to start looking at his we have to look
  • 1:08:33
    at everything he does and says
  • 1:08:34
    differently well within this framework I
  • 1:08:36
    think this is this is important this is
  • 1:08:38
    this this and Iran those are the two
  • 1:08:41
    thing and that's you know there's all
  • 1:08:42
    kinds of you know what I have some Iran
  • 1:08:44
    stuff but maybe you should take a quick
  • 1:08:46
    break and then we can go into that so at
  • 1:08:49
    this point I would be very pleased just
  • 1:08:53
    thank you for your courage and say in
  • 1:08:54
    the morning to you John see the man who
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    put the CNA OSI to farad
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    cows hide I don't think we even saw that
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