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1092: Pros From Dover

Adam Curry & John C. Dvorak

2h 47m
December 6th, 2018
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Executive Producers: Baron Sir Ratenef, Joseph Finley Sir Walk-Man of Buckeye, Sir Sam of Bedfordshire and the Great Ouse, Jonathan Greenlee, Yousef Hegazi, Nick Foster

Associate Executive Producers: Sir Dave, Baron of KC, Bryce of Northwest Wisconsin, Anonymous

Cover Art by Darren O'Neill

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Chapters

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Start of Show
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2:32
Nayirah Testimony
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14:25
George HW Bush
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26:15
Tumblr Bans All Adult Content Starting December 17th
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28:31
Tim Cook Speech at Never is Now Summit on Anti-Semitism and Hate
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43:42
UK Parliament Member Publishes 250 Pages of Internal Facebook Documents
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49:14
The Facebook Dilemma: Brad Parscale by Frontline
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1:13:41
Credits
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1:34:08
Macron Scraps Fuel Tax Rise in Response to Yellow Vest Protests
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1:43:08
NBC News Costa Rica Fact-Check
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1:45:12
Majority of US Millennials Prefer Communism
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1:47:18
Producer Note: Student Loans
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1:49:02
Israel, Greece and Cyprus Back EastMed Gas Pipeline
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1:53:33
Denmark Plans to Isolate Unwanted Migrants on a Small Island
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1:56:54
Anti-Migration Party Vox Wins Big in Spain as Europe's Populist Wave Continues
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1:59:06
US Embassy in the Democratic Republic of the Congo Reopens After ISIS Threat
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2:01:15
Police Target 'Ndrangheta Mafia in Raids Across Europe
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2:02:53
Man in The Netherlands Requesting Age Change Satisfied with Court Verdict
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2:04:57
Donations
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2:14:29
Birthdays & Title Changes
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2:16:31
Paul Hogan Pitch Video for Australian Tourism Board
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2:19:05
Australian Government Passes Contentious Encryption Law
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2:20:15
Donna Brazil's Smoking Gun ISO
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2:21:06
Lindsay Graham Says MBS is 'Complicit' in Jamal Khashoggi Murder
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2:25:51
2015 Report on Parents Being Banned from School Lunchrooms
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2:29:06
Upsidedown, Events for LGBT Youth Under 12
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2:31:32
Did Mic Layoff Their Entire Editorial Staff to Break a Union?
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2:32:52
Glenn Beck and Mark Levin Create Conservative Media Entity Blaze Media
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2:34:50
Lisa Marie Boothe
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2:36:41
Former CBS Chief Les Moonves Obstructed Sexual Misconduct Investigation
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2:41:13
End of Show
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    my mind is exploding right now Adam
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    curry
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    this is no agenda
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    [Music]
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    curry from northern Silicon Valley where
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    the local Whole Foods as the sale on
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    pepperoncini I'm Justin bour I don't see
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    how you can frequent that establishment
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    anymore knowing how evil Amazon is
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    that's convenient that our sprouts yes
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    yes well there was a lot of news and no
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    news that was very interesting there was
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    no news because it was all about George
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    Herbert Walker Bush blight disagree I
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    think there's a lot of news and not all
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    of it was about George HW whatever
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    although most of it was you're right and
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    I'll say this kind of the same thing I
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    said about John McCain cuz it may look
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    very odd to a lot of people certainly
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    don't live in in the United States of
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    Gitmo nation it's like well this guy was
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    did a lot of bad stuff responsible for a
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    lot of dead people and a lot of horrific
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    events and yeah that's what we do we we
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    recognize that and we still say hey
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    ma'am thanks thanks for being part of
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    the American experience good work we
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    really appreciate it
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    well if you want to go down that road I
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    have the right clips okay because I I
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    feel that deep in our hearts we're like
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    we know it like yeah you know that's who
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    we are it's not like anyone talked about
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    the real legacy of George Herbert Walker
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    Bush well the only man who could not
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    remember where he was the day Kennedy
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    was assassinated so let's start with I
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    have a series of clips where they're
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    quite interesting because of all the all
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    the news outlets everybody's falling all
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    over themselves and I was a great guy
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    and great father and and we got to see
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    George W kind of when I heard I didn't
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    see him with his his eulogy but I heard
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    it and it it sounded like laughter for a
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    moment and of course when you see it you
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    realize it isn't but it was no jarring
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    glows so let's start with and I've got
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    these aptly named baby killers in Kuwait
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    one one intro yes we look back now at a
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    largely forgotten aspect of Bush's war
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    in Iraq those domestic propaganda
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    campaign that occurred in the United
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    States before the invasion began the
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    story centers on
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    young Kuwaiti woman named nyira on
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    October 10th 1990 the fifteen-year-old
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    girl gave riveting testimony before
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    Congress about the horrors inside Kuwait
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    after Iraq invaded women this this was
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    on Judy show not a Judas is democracy
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    democracy no so she actually went back
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    to that during this time of great
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    everybody fell all over themselves
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    except the socialist democracy now they
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    decided why why what differs is why
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    should we be doing that so then they
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    gate did a very nice four-part piece
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    called us so even though it it was
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    completely unamerican what they're doing
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    it's highly appreciated good jobs mr.
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    chairman and members of the committee my
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    name is Nita and I just came out of
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    Kuwait with my five day old nephew
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    traveled across the desert to save
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    safety there is no milk available for
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    the baby weight he barely escaped when
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    their car was stuck in the desert desert
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    sand and help came from Saudi Arabia
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    behind wanted to do something for my
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    country I volunteer volunteered at the
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    Aladeen hospital with 12 other women who
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    wanted to help as well I was the
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    youngest volunteer the other women were
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    from 20 to 30 years old while I was
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    there I saw the Iraqi soldiers coming to
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    the hospital now you're his testimony
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    was rebroadcast across the country and
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    marked a turning point in public opinion
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    on going to war President George HW Bush
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    repeatedly cited her claims they had
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    kids and incubators and they were thrown
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    out of the incubators so the Kuwait
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    could be systematically
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    Mandell three months after nyira
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    testified President George HW Bush
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    launched the invasion of Iraq but it
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    turned out in a yearís claims weren't
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    true no human rights before news outlet
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    could confirm what she said it also
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    turned out in the era was not just any
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    Kuwaiti teenager she was the daughter of
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    the Kuwaiti ambassador to the United
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    States Saud nasir al Sabbagh she had
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    been coached by the public relations
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    firm Hill & Knowlton which was working
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    for the Kuwaiti government my mind is
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    exploding right now when we talked about
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    this at the time of it happening was
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    that we never talked know that the time
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    was happening I'm sorry not the tie was
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    having we talked about it I mean 10
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    years ago 11 years ago we've talked
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    about it a couple of times and people
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    would say you're crazy conspiracy
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    theorist and now it's on democracy now
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    this is fantastic and they're doing it
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    the day when everybody's eulogizing him
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    holy smokes good stuff yes fantastic
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    onward is that the end of clip one yeah
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    that is okay let's go well let's go
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    right to clip 2 then this is disgusting
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    to proper again they brought in this guy
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    Rick John MacArthur and he he has a book
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    out on this whole thing though he has it
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    all documented it's very interesting
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    book but let's do clip 2 we're joined
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    now by the journalists who first
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    revealed my IRA's identity Rick
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    MacArthur the president and publisher of
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    Harper's Magazine the author of the book
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    second front censorship and propaganda
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    in the 1991 Gulf War I mean so you know
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    as we said this is as a turning point
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    you have this teenager this girl saying
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    she witnessed this that Iraqi soldiers
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    came into Kuwait and ripped babies out
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    of Kuwaiti incubators but she was only
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    referred to as nyira at the time of the
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    testimony it wasn't New Year Al Sabah so
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    you would know that she's the daughter
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    of the quaity ambassador who also
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    testified in that hearing correct
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    that's all part of the propaganda the
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    plan is to maintain our anonymity to
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    protect her and her family against
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    reprisals in Kuwait that that was the
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    cover story but of course nobody
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    bothered to try to find out who she
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    really was they just bought the story
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    hook line and sinker even though at the
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    time there were a couple of human rights
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    investigators I got onto the trail after
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    the war unfortunately and was able to
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    run down what really had happened which
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    was that Hill Knowlton selected her as a
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    persuasive witness to this atrocity and
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    it was all part of a campaign to turn
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    Saddam Hussein at least in the public
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    consciousness into a Dolf Hitler man now
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    I have two clips left in this series I
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    got one clip after that but it's I'm I'm
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    gonna reverse the two of them because I
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    think clip three is probably a little
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    better as a finale for this guy okay so
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    let's jump to baby killers in Kuwait for
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    I don't think I have four oh I see it I
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    see it now yeah and it's clear that does
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    I mean numerous representatives and
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    senators cited the baby incubator
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    atrocity which was false it never
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    happened as a reason for voting for the
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    Gulf War resolution in other words these
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    are people who said well look we could
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    figure out other ways to get Saddam
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    Hussein out of Kuwait economic sanctions
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    negotiations there was a feeling that
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    this was about oil
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    it wasn't about principle even though
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    Bush opposed it as a matter of
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    international law but these people said
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    finally look if he's really Hitler if
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    he's really capable of having an army
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    that slaughters and it can't it got to
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    hundreds of babies by the time Amnesty
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    International gave its official seal of
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    approval to the to the story it wasn't
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    just now year it wasn't just Nyiro Human
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    Rights Watch fell for it they were
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    neutral officially but Amnesty
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    International actually put the number
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    over three hundred babies there weren't
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    that many incubators in Kuwait City
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    hospitals now if you want to go back
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    over the record you'll see how badly the
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    the media how badly the press failed in
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    all this - paper the New York Daily News
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    had a front page they they kill the
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    babies and so the media uncritically
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    accepted this story without any kind of
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    a check
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    wow he's talking about himself in the
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    third person they don't see the irony in
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    their own coverage of global warming or
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    Trump thank you yes okay but even even
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    his own newspaper my own newspaper had
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    this bullcrap story on the front page
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    boy they're stupid dude you were you
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    were at the newspaper
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    I don't believe ya then I don't think he
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    is anymore he's I think at the post or
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    someplace else anyway so let's listen to
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    the final which is I've got down his
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    clip three and it has
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    it makes some conclusions that I think
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    are worth noting on this laboratory week
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    and the the feeling was that they
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    couldn't sell the golf war without this
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    in other words they had to cheat to win
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    and that's what interests me about the
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    eulogy is for George Bush he's being
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    presented now as this paragon of kind of
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    wasp respectability and integrity old
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    school when in fact he was a had a
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    violent side to him a very angry and
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    violent and ruthless I do them and when
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    you see him doing the propaganda using
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    the hill and Knowlton
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    disinformation you see a side a side of
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    a politician that's kind of ugly that's
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    very interesting that the New York Times
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    wrote a piece exactly with that of that
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    conceit about you know the bush is the
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    last of the wasps to go and you know how
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    we adore the and I mean I don't know if
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    everyone understands I don't even if I
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    can complete under explain what what
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    other than the acronym white anglo-saxon
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    Protestant what exactly is that
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    Connecticut guy who talks like this
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    that's the was doing when you say
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    conversation you're constantly
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    conversation now I want to add to this
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    this this kind of roundup of this sort
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    of thing is pathetic had a eulogy on his
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    site about Bush naming all kinds of his
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    buddies including Don Gregg and but and
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    it wasn't that good because he was just
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    kind of talking mostly about himself and
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    pichan ik didn't make this little
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    comment here which I think just adds on
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    to what we just heard from from
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    MacArthur and the democracy not people
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    but I think it was inadvertent but I'd
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    like to play it because they protect
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    money in context that's interesting and
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    at that time President Ford appointed a
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    George Bush as director the CIA for the
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    most part most people thought that was
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    an approval and that was a
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    a sign that he was really quite
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    confident in fact the reality was Bush
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    did not like Cheney he did not like
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    Rumsfeld and what was happening was a
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    power play in there and the Republican
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    administration with a ray of Cheney and
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    Rumsfeld wanted to get rid of Bush and
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    the best way to do that was to become
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    director of the CIA because normally
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    when you become director you really
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    become president then I had an encounter
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    with general Antonio Noriega when Bush
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    was vice president - Reagan Noriega said
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    to me something interesting he said that
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    Bush had been involved in the
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    iran-contra deal and had been far more
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    resilient and tough than anybody had
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    thought subsequent to that I had a
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    meeting with Pat Robertson the head of
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    the evangelical Christian Union Union
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    and he was talking to me and said
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    something very interesting here Noriega
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    talks about Bush is a very tough
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    resilient individual and then I asked
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    Pat why did you ask me down there and he
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    had told me that he was interested he
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    Pat Robertson was interested in running
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    for president of the United States and I
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    said why he said because he found that
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    Bush Senior was very weak I paused and I
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    looked up at him and I said Reverend the
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    real issue here is that you do not
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    understand Bush Bush is not weak he may
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    be quiet he may be elegant he may be a
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    white anglo-saxon Protestant but trust
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    me he is not weak and he is quite
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    ruthless
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    like ruthless yeah we're also now with
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    that background of you know the guy
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    being a ruthless gay character yes we
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    have these eulogies and and I would say
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    that on Democracy Now they had some of
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    the worst including marine doubt for
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    some reason they brought her on and
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    she's got that whining voice like that
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    that ex editor that we like to play
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    clips from and the one that you mean
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    Jill Abramson yeah Jill Abramson George
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    Walker buzz she talks like him and so
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    I'm gonna play I want to play these two
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    clips these are both minutes long this
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    is eulogizing and this was this is what
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    the the mainstream media was doing what
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    she's talking about what a great guy who
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    was it was in ruthless he was a nice guy
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    by the way the last of the nice guys
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    and when you band and he was so much
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    nicer than Trump so much nicer than
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    eulogizing GW Bush PBS one so we see
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    qualities in George Bush that were not
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    appreciated at the time the modesty the
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    ability to reach out to the other side
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    to try to include everyone you know
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    every generation as I say it looks for
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    different things from a president here
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    we are in the age of Donald Trump a very
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    confrontational politics and the
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    politics of George Bush seems like
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    something that was light years ago but
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    perhaps may one day come back Maureen
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    Dowd Michael reminds us what a painful
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    loss that was for him in the 92 election
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    when he lost to Bill Clinton you were
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    you wrote this week about your wonderful
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    correspondence with hims being in touch
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    with him over the years how did he work
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    his way through that oh I think that was
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    you know that was very hard for him to
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    take because he was at ninety percent
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    after you know the Persian Gulf War and
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    then one day in the press office he sort
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    of admitted that he had no interest in
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    domestic policy he really just loved
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    being in that you know Global Club
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    mostly men's club and he really didn't
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    want to deal with the domestic side and
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    I think he kind of missed the moment
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    where Americans were getting angry
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    about you know the economy and other
  • 16:38
    things and he just really glory Dan the
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    funfairs part of it yeah let us all
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    remember that George Bush publicly used
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    the New World Order moniker yeah so yeah
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    he is he is the ultimate globalist yeah
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    which is that booted out too you know
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    and my uncle Don loved him and worked
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    for him and didn't cover his ass
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    properly with iran-contra that's why
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    uncle Don that's my interpretation of it
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    of course that's why he became
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    ambassador to South Korea for a while
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    um and when when Obama was president
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    lifelong Republican Don became a
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    Democrat and you know but that's because
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    Obama was run by the CIA so it was just
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    a company man company switch and men
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    they hate Trump so much I haven't heard
  • 17:28
    from him for him from for over a year
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    won't even talk to me make some spitting
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    majus to think about him that really
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    does it's kind of sad so let's go to
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    those part two or we get to listen to a
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    marine just go off on Trump it's not
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    about Trump we're talking about this
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    must be our boys no no no let's go off
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    against Trump but but then on then as we
  • 17:54
    were saying I mean he lost but he
  • 17:56
    managed to live a full life after that
  • 17:59
    and and you again and that piece you
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    wrote this week you captured a lot of
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    that I mean the humor came back the zest
  • 18:05
    for life came back well I think Michaels
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    right you know when we look at it
  • 18:10
    through the prism of Donald Trump you
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    know one way to look at it is Bush
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    senior would drop the first person
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    pronoun pronoun personal pronoun because
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    this mother always told him not to use
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    the big guy not to gloat so he would
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    start sentences like the Dana Carvey
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    imitation imitation you know you know
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    can I just have to be me now we're
  • 18:43
    living in this world that's all about
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    the eye with Donald Trump you know the
  • 18:47
    the whole world is having to pivot to
  • 18:51
    Trump's narcissistic I you know what's
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    also happening here I feel is that the
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    m5m hate Donald Trump so much that this
  • 19:04
    is kind of like a passive-aggressive
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    move to be so hazy ography like a
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    geographer
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    I don't the word is geographic haze your
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    graphic thank you to be so hagiographic
  • 19:18
    about Bush I think some of that is in
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    there I mean I think there's some of
  • 19:23
    that in there but I think they also have
  • 19:25
    forgotten well how could you forget the
  • 19:27
    clip read my lips no new taxes come on I
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    mean that's it that's in every library
  • 19:32
    and nobody brought that up on anything
  • 19:35
    including democracy now they just went
  • 19:36
    after the dead babies yeah now I have
  • 19:39
    two short clips just on top of this just
  • 19:41
    to show you what you were mentioning
  • 19:44
    about the media being so preoccupied
  • 19:46
    with Trump I want to play these two
  • 19:48
    clips this is eulogy with Brian Mulroney
  • 19:50
    that one of the Canadian honchos for
  • 19:53
    some time guy eulogizing Trump as his
  • 19:56
    buddy and I want to play the first clip
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    which is one with Judy jumping in and
  • 20:04
    then I'm gonna ask you a question now I
  • 20:05
    want to play to George put down his pen
  • 20:07
    walked over to me and said Brian I've
  • 20:11
    just learned the fundamental principle
  • 20:14
    of international affairs I said what's
  • 20:15
    that George he said the smaller the
  • 20:18
    country the longer the speech
  • 20:22
    Mulrooney has special praise for the
  • 20:25
    late president's dealings with Canada
  • 20:27
    including the trade deal ultimately
  • 20:29
    signed by President Clinton and more
  • 20:32
    recently rejected by President Trump
  • 20:37
    okay okay what did she say she said it
  • 20:41
    was signed by you know his back in the
  • 20:42
    day Mulrooney I guess began it yeah so
  • 20:45
    her Bush I think no Bush started we're
  • 20:47
    starting clean one by the way when Bush
  • 20:50
    started it and then Clinton signed it
  • 20:53
    Clinton got it going because Clinton was
  • 20:55
    a smooth talker and he could convince
  • 20:57
    but I remember that hear it's like no
  • 20:59
    one wanted this deal because we didn't
  • 21:01
    because Ross Perot was running against
  • 21:03
    oh yes yes the giant sucking sound
  • 21:08
    you're right of the jobs going to Mexico
  • 21:11
    and so nobody was in a and they
  • 21:14
    threatened his family and told him to
  • 21:15
    shut up and he did that was the CIA we
  • 21:18
    did that no force no although we don't
  • 21:21
    know now so Bush got nothing done he
  • 21:25
    didn't get that done because he didn't
  • 21:28
    like they said he didn't care about
  • 21:29
    domestic policies and just thought this
  • 21:31
    is a good idea but was kind of a
  • 21:32
    globalist idea somehow Clinton got it
  • 21:35
    through and then according to Judy Trump
  • 21:38
    rejected it
  • 21:39
    well no Trump threw in some steel and
  • 21:42
    renamed it well here's the point she put
  • 21:46
    in cheap just right there you heard I
  • 21:48
    heard if she said he rejected the
  • 21:49
    negative spin of course
  • 21:52
    now listen to it but listen she put a
  • 21:55
    negative spin she knows what the clip is
  • 21:56
    she's put this has done it this was a
  • 21:58
    package uh-huh she knows what the clip
  • 22:00
    is so she put a negative spin on the
  • 22:02
    next thing you're going to hear and you
  • 22:04
    tell me if that's not biased President
  • 22:07
    Bush was also responsible for the North
  • 22:10
    American Free Trade Agreement
  • 22:12
    recently modernized and improved by new
  • 22:16
    administration's which created the
  • 22:18
    largest and richest free trade area in
  • 22:21
    the history of the world she did a
  • 22:26
    reverse whipsaw modernize improved is
  • 22:31
    what he said geez and she says you know
  • 22:34
    just putting everything in a negative
  • 22:37
    light
  • 22:38
    I mean it's shameful yeah well that's my
  • 22:43
    little thing on you're going to give you
  • 22:45
    a clip of the day for the whole package
  • 22:46
    John thank you
  • 22:49
    I'm so happy that Democracy Now paid off
  • 22:52
    in spades that you know you just want to
  • 22:57
    like not another Democracy Now clip it's
  • 22:59
    like wow conspiracy now you know we've
  • 23:03
    always forget about the babies and the
  • 23:05
    incubators as another kind of a modern
  • 23:07
    false flag to get people to go to war
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    what a fall I think off of Tompkins was
  • 23:12
    the bigger one before that there's been
  • 23:13
    other ones yeah and the public at large
  • 23:16
    is how you guys because that's
  • 23:18
    conspiracy yeah it's a proven even
  • 23:20
    faster the conspiracy I recall us
  • 23:23
    talking about Hill and Knowlton a lot
  • 23:25
    and the jobs they did and how they did
  • 23:27
    it and we should revisit those topics I
  • 23:29
    actually have one I have one Bush clip
  • 23:31
    one and I was very happy that I could
  • 23:33
    contribute to this otherwise fantastic
  • 23:35
    compendium and I hereby issue a the u P
  • 23:49
    4141 was dedicated the President Bush it
  • 23:53
    was unveiled in 2005 at a special
  • 23:56
    transportation exhibit at his library
  • 23:58
    and he was there to see the unveiling
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    and he was thrilled with it and we've
  • 24:02
    been running it around our system ever
  • 24:04
    since this
  • 24:05
    this locomotive will carry the casket
  • 24:08
    for President Bush from Houston to
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    College Station for a final interment
  • 24:14
    people are not as accustomed to travel
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    by passenger rail on train we mainly
  • 24:18
    haul Freight but President Bush as a
  • 24:20
    veteran of World War two he went to war
  • 24:23
    on the train he came home for more on
  • 24:25
    this race and I think that emotional
  • 24:27
    connection to the railroad really stuck
  • 24:29
    with him so when he was planning his
  • 24:32
    funeral and talking to his staff about
  • 24:34
    how he wanted to be remembered he wanted
  • 24:36
    to have his final trip to College
  • 24:38
    Station to be on the railroad so as we
  • 24:41
    go from Houston up to College Station we
  • 24:44
    will pass through several small towns
  • 24:45
    we'll go through old town spring and
  • 24:47
    we'll go through Magnolia and Navasota
  • 24:49
    and we anticipate that thousands of
  • 24:52
    people will be lining the route at each
  • 24:54
    of those locations to pay their final
  • 24:56
    respects to President Bush it's a great
  • 24:58
    opportunity for all the people in this
  • 25:01
    part of Texas to really participate in a
  • 25:03
    very historic occasion
  • 25:06
    i I was just tearing up hearing the news
  • 25:08
    of the Train the Bush 40 want the 4141
  • 25:12
    train ladies and gentlemen he's got his
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    own locomotive I saw it it's beautiful
  • 25:16
    gosh there it is whoa sexy
  • 25:20
    it had that blue and white markings just
  • 25:22
    like Air Force One personally I think
  • 25:25
    they blew an opportunity here especially
  • 25:27
    AM truck I think they could have put an
  • 25:31
    Amtrak thing on there and it could have
  • 25:33
    been trailin 20 cars people could have
  • 25:35
    gone on the tour they could have gone on
  • 25:37
    a tour and I think it could have been
  • 25:38
    nationwide they could have tried driven
  • 25:40
    this thing all over the country with
  • 25:43
    bush still in the in the Catskill in
  • 25:45
    there in a refrigerated car was on the
  • 25:53
    train with it with with the corpse of
  • 25:55
    George HW Bush and it was fantastic and
  • 25:58
    they can get top dollar they can they
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    could run it all over the country
  • 26:02
    get nothing but good publicity and make
  • 26:03
    some money on the side Oh
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    [Music]
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    let me grab the let me grab this with
  • 26:13
    the wheel for a second something we've
  • 26:16
    been talking about I think it's been
  • 26:18
    much more your topic for a decade
  • 26:20
    probably maybe just about a decade it
  • 26:23
    finally happened so heretofore tumblr
  • 26:25
    had allowed adult content so naturally
  • 26:28
    communities sort of built up around that
  • 26:30
    this was the place you could feature
  • 26:32
    adult content originally people had
  • 26:35
    migrated from LiveJournal when they
  • 26:36
    started banning adult content to tumblr
  • 26:38
    so this became a place where people
  • 26:40
    thought that you could put it and now
  • 26:42
    that's no longer the case and what's
  • 26:44
    behind that decision a few things tumblr
  • 26:47
    was purchased by Verizon last year that
  • 26:49
    might have something to do with it that
  • 26:54
    might have something to do with it I can
  • 26:56
    you imagine the Verizon executives in
  • 26:58
    the board meaning some saying you guys
  • 27:00
    know what's on this thing that this
  • 27:02
    Marissa thought oh my god
  • 27:06
    what was it 2 billion what did she pay
  • 27:08
    for it it was a lot I don't know what
  • 27:12
    she paid for but it was the most idiotic
  • 27:13
    I mean unless you really Inlet I have to
  • 27:16
    assume she just likes she likes porn
  • 27:18
    that's the only conclusion tumblr was
  • 27:20
    purchased by Verizon last year that
  • 27:22
    might have something to do with it and
  • 27:24
    then after this child porn incident on
  • 27:26
    Apple this is what really went down as
  • 27:30
    Apple removed their app from the App
  • 27:33
    Store for some child pornography and
  • 27:38
    this is all part of the big purge this
  • 27:41
    is the tech giants of the world who are
  • 27:43
    going to I really started to focus on
  • 27:48
    this and Tim Cook actually really
  • 27:49
    brought it into view for me it goes
  • 27:53
    beyond some kind of liberalism that you
  • 27:56
    know we we understand what's better for
  • 27:57
    everybody and that's why we're throwing
  • 28:00
    people off shadow banning D platforming
  • 28:02
    you know D monetizing and what all the
  • 28:05
    adjectives we have for it is a lot but
  • 28:07
    there's there's an actual belief yet
  • 28:10
    they are what it was D agitating or
  • 28:14
    whatever that word was D monetizing
  • 28:18
    demonetised
  • 28:20
    I'm demonetised bro sucks that's what
  • 28:24
    that one lady went and shot up Twitter
  • 28:26
    for because they D monitor our YouTube
  • 28:28
    they demonetised her remember yeah
  • 28:30
    California so but what I've come to the
  • 28:33
    conclusion I have three clips from Tim
  • 28:36
    Cook and you may have seen a very short
  • 28:38
    bit and this is really the work that
  • 28:40
    I've been focusing on more often now is
  • 28:42
    whenever there's some meme that goes
  • 28:44
    around which everyone's like hahaha look
  • 28:45
    at this Oh crazy outrage yeah you gotta
  • 28:48
    go look at the full thing because not
  • 28:50
    only is it often out of context and
  • 28:52
    therefore void sometimes the real meet
  • 28:55
    is elsewhere in the story and its really
  • 28:57
    being obfuscated by a little a little
  • 28:59
    clip but I think the elites in Silicon
  • 29:02
    Valley and Tim Cook is gonna be at the
  • 29:05
    top of this pyramid truly believe they
  • 29:08
    have the power to make the world a
  • 29:10
    better place but in into its religious
  • 29:13
    at this point so he was given an award
  • 29:16
    by the ADL the anti-defamation league
  • 29:19
    it's the courage against hate award the
  • 29:24
    first one which is always now you gotta
  • 29:27
    wonder about these things I remember we
  • 29:29
    needed Michael Jackson to to perform on
  • 29:32
    the Video Music Awards at MTV and yeah
  • 29:35
    so then the dealing start yeah yeah you
  • 29:37
    got a well then you have to do this you
  • 29:39
    have to you got to play this video and
  • 29:42
    then we also said well we'll give you an
  • 29:46
    award it'll be the Michael Jackson video
  • 29:48
    Vanguard Award of the year named after
  • 29:51
    him and I think JLo just received it and
  • 29:54
    it is presented as the Michael Jackson
  • 29:56
    video Vanguard Award of the year we also
  • 29:59
    by the way promised that we would always
  • 30:01
    say Michael Jackson followed by the King
  • 30:04
    of Pop and we did in fact when once had
  • 30:07
    to record a whole weekend all over again
  • 30:08
    because we hadn't been told we had to do
  • 30:11
    it anyway I digress
  • 30:12
    so Tim Cook no I don't think that's a
  • 30:14
    digression that idea that you have to
  • 30:16
    say the King of Pop was ridiculous that
  • 30:20
    we had to go back and rerecord
  • 30:22
    everything because we didn't say it that
  • 30:24
    was ridiculous that was off the hook
  • 30:26
    that was two days of work
  • 30:29
    so cook receives this award and so he's
  • 30:32
    clearly there to present a message and
  • 30:33
    in in these three clips it kind I'd put
  • 30:36
    these into three categories the first
  • 30:38
    one is we are holy we're technology were
  • 30:44
    holy and we're goodness the second clip
  • 30:47
    weights the second clip includes the
  • 30:51
    little bit that you may have seen online
  • 30:52
    and it's about the values and what our
  • 30:55
    values are as our holiness and the third
  • 30:58
    clip is really what blew me away by
  • 31:00
    itself it doesn't work you have to kind
  • 31:01
    of hear them in sequence where I believe
  • 31:04
    he is of thinking that he is God not him
  • 31:07
    but Apple and maybe just technology so
  • 31:10
    let's start with with his opening intro
  • 31:13
    here as he explains how holy they are
  • 31:17
    this may sound simple but it's not said
  • 31:20
    often enough Apple is a technology
  • 31:24
    company but we never forget that the
  • 31:27
    devices we make are imagined by human
  • 31:31
    minds built by human hands and are meant
  • 31:35
    to improve human lives I sometimes say
  • 31:39
    that I worry less about computers that
  • 31:42
    think like people and more about people
  • 31:46
    that think like computers
  • 31:52
    applause without values or compassion
  • 31:56
    without concern for consequences and so
  • 32:00
    we try to stay rooted and to keep our
  • 32:03
    devices connected to the humanity that
  • 32:07
    makes us us so you are right this holy
  • 32:14
    stuff yeah he's full of himself and I
  • 32:17
    have I must say as an editorial decision
  • 32:20
    each of these clips has about 30 edits
  • 32:22
    because Tim Cook talks like this
  • 32:27
    and makes a point
  • 32:29
    sometimes with a lot of space well I'll
  • 32:34
    tell you the deadest are fine because it
  • 32:36
    still got the right rhythm it sounds
  • 32:38
    like he's actually talking okay good
  • 32:39
    work thank you all right this is the
  • 32:42
    longest of the three but this is this is
  • 32:44
    we get down into the meat of the values
  • 32:46
    what Apple will and will not stand for
  • 32:48
    and please keep in the backdrop that all
  • 32:50
    technology all technology can be used
  • 32:54
    for good or bad you know our cars great
  • 32:57
    technology are they technology of course
  • 32:59
    they're technology you can use them for
  • 33:01
    transportation but you can also mow
  • 33:03
    people down on the street with it all
  • 33:04
    taste ball bag baseball bat yes fire is
  • 33:08
    technology and everything can be used
  • 33:11
    for good or for bad but not with Apple
  • 33:13
    because while they're holy this mandate
  • 33:16
    moves us to speak up for immigrants and
  • 33:19
    for those who seek opportunity in the
  • 33:22
    United States we do it not only because
  • 33:26
    their individual dignity creativity and
  • 33:29
    ingenuity have the power to make this
  • 33:32
    country in even better place but because
  • 33:34
    our own humanity commands us to welcome
  • 33:38
    those who need welcome it moves us to
  • 33:42
    speak up for the LGBTQ community for
  • 33:45
    those whose differences can make them a
  • 33:47
    target for violence and scorn we do so
  • 33:50
    not only because these unique and
  • 33:53
    uncommon perspectives can open our eyes
  • 33:55
    to new ways of thinking but because our
  • 33:58
    own dignity moves us to see the dignity
  • 34:02
    and others did you get the feeling how
  • 34:04
    noble and dignified these Apple people
  • 34:06
    are noble he feels when he pushes for
  • 34:09
    immigration so he can get more h-1b
  • 34:11
    workers to work cheaper then maybe
  • 34:13
    somebody over 40 who he could have hired
  • 34:15
    to do the same job but he's had to pay
  • 34:17
    more money
  • 34:19
    blasphemy Dvorak blasphemy perhaps most
  • 34:23
    importantly it drives us not to be
  • 34:26
    bystanders bystanders as hate tries to
  • 34:30
    make its headquarters in the digital
  • 34:32
    world at Apple we believe that
  • 34:35
    technology needs to have a clear point
  • 34:38
    of view on this challenge
  • 34:39
    so now technology as a point of view
  • 34:43
    this is very this is fascinating this
  • 34:45
    guy fasten and I think he's probably a
  • 34:47
    really nice guy but he is his mill yo is
  • 34:50
    just I'll bet you that he said was a
  • 34:53
    nice guy that if you actually was set
  • 34:55
    he'd be one of those guys who never
  • 34:56
    connects with you when you chat with him
  • 34:59
    you know what I mean is like he's out
  • 35:00
    there he's like yeah how could you but
  • 35:03
    he's talking to some you know something
  • 35:05
    he sees and you know that you're right
  • 35:07
    because even this rhythm that he has
  • 35:09
    that I screwed up a little bit by the
  • 35:10
    editing it's it's the same as it's
  • 35:13
    exactly the same as a keynote you know
  • 35:14
    he's not really connecting with the
  • 35:16
    audience he's he's delivering his prose
  • 35:18
    you know the audience she's like and
  • 35:21
    this is the same kind of audience uh
  • 35:23
    Apple we believe that technology needs
  • 35:26
    to have a clear point of view on this
  • 35:29
    challenge there is no time to get tied
  • 35:31
    up in knots that's why we only have one
  • 35:35
    message for those who seek to push hate
  • 35:40
    division and violence you have no place
  • 35:44
    on our platforms
  • 35:47
    [Applause]
  • 35:54
    you had no home here from the earliest
  • 35:58
    days of iTunes to Apple music today we
  • 36:02
    have always prohibited music with a
  • 36:04
    message of white supremacy you know just
  • 36:07
    as just a real simple one
  • 36:09
    I just went to iTunes when I heard this
  • 36:11
    said let me see you fuck the police are
  • 36:13
    still up there of course it is even the
  • 36:15
    karaoke version why because it's the
  • 36:24
    right thing to do
  • 36:25
    and as we show this year we won't give a
  • 36:28
    platform to violent conspiracy theorists
  • 36:31
    on the App Store okay
  • 36:34
    violent conspiracy theorists
  • 36:39
    I mean it's one thing to say white he
  • 36:40
    said white supremacist he said hate but
  • 36:42
    now he escalated to violent conspiracy
  • 36:45
    theorists he's talking about Alex Jones
  • 36:48
    is he violent not that I know of that
  • 36:51
    conspirator okay so a conspiracy stares
  • 36:55
    is okay but if I if I punch an old lady
  • 36:59
    then I get deep platformed
  • 37:03
    I just totally means by violent
  • 37:07
    well he's equating words to physical
  • 37:09
    harm I guess that could be to do and as
  • 37:12
    we showed this year we won't give a
  • 37:14
    platform to violent conspiracy theorists
  • 37:18
    on the app store because it's the right
  • 37:27
    thing to do my friends if we can't be
  • 37:29
    clear on moral questions like these then
  • 37:32
    we've got big problems it Apple we are
  • 37:36
    not afraid to say that our values drive
  • 37:39
    our curation decision curation and why
  • 37:42
    should we be raishin what's right that's
  • 37:45
    pretty that's pretty interesting to say
  • 37:47
    curation because you know well I guess
  • 37:49
    they don't really fall under Section 230
  • 37:51
    I don't know if they claim they do but
  • 37:55
    they answer yeah your curating so do you
  • 37:57
    have every right to throw off what you
  • 37:59
    want that's fine but well we'll talk
  • 38:02
    about what that could mean in a minute
  • 38:04
    use drive our curation decisions and why
  • 38:07
    should we be doing what's right
  • 38:11
    creating experiences free from violence
  • 38:14
    and hate experiences that empower
  • 38:17
    creativity and new ideas it's what our
  • 38:19
    customers want us to do technology
  • 38:22
    should be about human potential it
  • 38:25
    should be about optimism if we believe
  • 38:28
    the future should belong to those who
  • 38:31
    use technology to build a better more
  • 38:35
    inclusive and more hopeful world
  • 38:38
    [Applause]
  • 38:42
    like to teach the world to sing after
  • 38:45
    all history is full of examples of what
  • 38:49
    can happen when those with power and
  • 38:52
    those who ought to have good judgment
  • 38:54
    instead look the other way
  • 38:57
    now what what he's saying at the very
  • 38:59
    end there is there's examples in history
  • 39:03
    where those with power really messed
  • 39:06
    things up by looking the other way
  • 39:07
    and in this case he's not referring to
  • 39:09
    Trump he's referring to Apple he's
  • 39:12
    referring to us is us themselves they
  • 39:15
    have the power and they are taking a
  • 39:17
    stand and I don't know I guess fuck the
  • 39:20
    police is not violence in their minds
  • 39:22
    that's okay that's completely up to them
  • 39:24
    I'm sure you can find plenty of other
  • 39:25
    examples and maybe some Laura sure
  • 39:28
    producers can find it all there's tons
  • 39:30
    of them but it's you know it's whatever
  • 39:32
    apples apples values are very important
  • 39:35
    that's how Hillary Clinton lost the
  • 39:37
    election is how Apple is going to lose
  • 39:39
    their ass now the last bit here he
  • 39:43
    brings up the the Greek
  • 39:48
    du-uh s machina god in the machine and I
  • 39:54
    left his explanation of whether I cut it
  • 39:56
    up a little bit but I left his
  • 39:57
    explanation of what that is where it
  • 39:59
    comes from in there only just you can
  • 40:01
    hear the bad joke that he makes
  • 40:02
    but then listen to it his explanation of
  • 40:05
    what that means God in the machine and
  • 40:06
    to me is clear belief that they at Apple
  • 40:10
    are the God in the machine you might
  • 40:12
    know the phrase deus ex machina God from
  • 40:17
    the machine for those who don't it's an
  • 40:19
    idea that started as a bit of an inside
  • 40:22
    joke among the ancient Greek playwrights
  • 40:24
    basically it's a critique of the bad
  • 40:26
    habit
  • 40:27
    these playwrights like to get their
  • 40:29
    characters into impossibly perilous
  • 40:31
    situations and then rescue them at the
  • 40:34
    last minute by some miraculous twist in
  • 40:36
    the story often the actors were even
  • 40:38
    physically hoisted out of danger by a
  • 40:41
    crane or some other elaborate machine in
  • 40:44
    other words deus ex machina is how the
  • 40:47
    first movie critic accused the first
  • 40:50
    directors abusing special effects to
  • 40:53
    cover up this lazy screenwriter bomb but
  • 40:58
    this idea of God from the machine has
  • 41:02
    stayed with us through the ages because
  • 41:05
    it's so comforting just when the world
  • 41:08
    seems to be getting more dangerous just
  • 41:11
    when it seems like the challenges may be
  • 41:13
    greater than our ability to solve them
  • 41:15
    it's reassuring to think that some
  • 41:18
    technological marvel some creation of
  • 41:22
    our own hands will solve the problem for
  • 41:25
    us but what I admire so much about the
  • 41:28
    ADL is that your entire history provides
  • 41:32
    a lesson here if the machines we build
  • 41:35
    are going to help us solve the world's
  • 41:37
    problems then the god part that decency
  • 41:42
    mercy and humanity is going to have to
  • 41:45
    come from all of us
  • 41:48
    after all we only have one life so why
  • 41:54
    not use it to make the world a better
  • 41:57
    place
  • 42:01
    [Applause]
  • 42:08
    there you go and you know when Apple
  • 42:12
    deep deep platformed Alex Jones everyone
  • 42:16
    else followed and so this is a follow me
  • 42:19
    moment in Silicon Valley and I think
  • 42:21
    that he does speak for most executives
  • 42:24
    and most executives do not want their
  • 42:26
    app pulled from the App Store so they're
  • 42:29
    all going to follow now in Apple's
  • 42:31
    footsteps and you can you can hear what
  • 42:33
    it means and that's just tim collins
  • 42:35
    cook's tom things that's his own
  • 42:38
    personal belief system but i think it's
  • 42:41
    going to hurt the company severely
  • 42:45
    I'm not gonna argue with you on this
  • 42:49
    it's a very it's a lot of hubris it
  • 42:53
    takes a lot of nerves patronizing it
  • 42:57
    makes all kinds of assumptions that none
  • 42:59
    of them are good it's like you fool
  • 43:02
    yourself I mean you make the phones you
  • 43:06
    make iPhones and you make computers and
  • 43:08
    you make a few other doodads that are
  • 43:10
    inconsequential in the history of
  • 43:12
    mankind and because you have a closed
  • 43:15
    platform there you go with the
  • 43:21
    outrageously closed platform for
  • 43:23
    everything you have to buy for any of
  • 43:25
    the equipment if you can even open them
  • 43:27
    because it's not allowed not allowed to
  • 43:29
    repair open an iPhone to fix the screen
  • 43:31
    on your own or something like that or
  • 43:33
    somebody else does it it voids the
  • 43:34
    warranty this is not good he's full of
  • 43:37
    crap is an evil company yes yeah without
  • 43:41
    knowing it and you know he has an
  • 43:43
    example to look to because things are
  • 43:45
    gonna go wrong and you'll need a couple
  • 43:47
    of mistakes and the Internet is the
  • 43:49
    information still wants to go where
  • 43:51
    wants to go this you see all this stuff
  • 43:52
    leaking out everywhere you recall that
  • 43:54
    Mark Zuckerberg refused to go and answer
  • 43:57
    questions in UK Parliament boy they sure
  • 44:00
    got back at him they but slammed the kid
  • 44:03
    Facebook under public scrutiny again
  • 44:05
    after new internal documents that were
  • 44:08
    made public Wednesday showed the social
  • 44:10
    media giant giving special access to
  • 44:12
    user data to other companies like Airbnb
  • 44:15
    lyft and Netflix the documents had been
  • 44:18
    under sealed but a British parliamentary
  • 44:20
    committee investigating Facebook
  • 44:21
    released them revealing the inner
  • 44:23
    workings of Facebook from about 2012 to
  • 44:26
    2015 the committee says the documents
  • 44:29
    show Facebook turned over data to select
  • 44:31
    companies while restricting access for
  • 44:34
    others Reuters tech correspondent /
  • 44:36
    Esteve these documents could add to the
  • 44:39
    ongoing scrutiny on Facebook especially
  • 44:41
    about its potentially anti-competitive
  • 44:43
    behavior its privacy practices its
  • 44:47
    growth hacking tactics and business
  • 44:51
    model Facebook has faced scrutiny around
  • 44:54
    the world from lawmakers regulators and
  • 44:57
    other government bodies these documents
  • 45:00
    could serve has new evidence for those
  • 45:01
    inquiries
  • 45:02
    and these 250 pages that were released
  • 45:05
    are fantastic I mean what's not in this
  • 45:07
    report is proof we heard about it it was
  • 45:10
    dismissed but proof that on Android they
  • 45:13
    changed their app so that users phone
  • 45:18
    logs SMS texts were logged in their app
  • 45:21
    and that they on the update did not
  • 45:24
    receive a change in permissions they
  • 45:27
    hack their way around it and they
  • 45:29
    explained how they did it on email this
  • 45:30
    it's a it's fantastic it's a you have to
  • 45:33
    download this and just read through it
  • 45:35
    it's it's emails back and forth and just
  • 45:37
    how they talk to each other it makes you
  • 45:40
    want to puke it and you know it's this
  • 45:46
    is they've got real problems I think
  • 45:49
    just the opposite just the opposite my
  • 45:55
    dear friend well I think what this shows
  • 45:57
    that these guys are the kick-ass kind of
  • 46:00
    like do anything to get ahead company
  • 46:02
    that is the kind of thing you want to
  • 46:04
    invest in well you may want to see if
  • 46:09
    the bottom has reached yet before you
  • 46:10
    stick hit the buy we have this game on
  • 46:14
    DHN plug tonight I already think we hit
  • 46:16
    the bottom what at the bottom is about
  • 46:17
    130 yeah
  • 46:21
    no I think it's nice more I hear the
  • 46:24
    better it sounds I mean maybe I'm just
  • 46:26
    the opposite of Tim Cook who would be a
  • 46:28
    gasps oh oh I'm going to swoon I can't
  • 46:32
    believe this is going on gambling going
  • 46:35
    on here in the bar no I think this is I
  • 46:39
    find it's just yeah I mean I think it's
  • 46:40
    funny that these I know they're
  • 46:42
    scrambling over there the offices like
  • 46:44
    because they're getting busted left and
  • 46:46
    right for being the dicks that they are
  • 46:48
    and apparently they are dicks and it
  • 46:50
    shows so memos and even when Zuckerberg
  • 46:53
    goes up to he doesn't do a very good job
  • 46:55
    he's not a personable person he's just
  • 46:57
    kind of a you know robotic like guy but
  • 46:59
    he knows what he's doing and Sandberg is
  • 47:01
    just obviously a very cunning runt Wow
  • 47:06
    cunning runs nice in Australia they know
  • 47:09
    exactly what that means well the point
  • 47:11
    is is that she is ruthless and I think
  • 47:15
    maybe the spirit of George Bush went
  • 47:18
    right into her but as far as I can I
  • 47:22
    mean and so far as an investment is
  • 47:23
    concerned I'm liking Facebook more and
  • 47:25
    more Wow okay I'll take your 130 and
  • 47:30
    I'll say one I'll say eighty-seven
  • 47:31
    dollars is where there may be a bottle I
  • 47:33
    think down like that any 87 would be
  • 47:37
    great I think that's where it's headed
  • 47:40
    people are abandoning this platform not
  • 47:42
    all their platforms but this one they
  • 47:44
    are abandoning and you know this what
  • 47:46
    happens is these government's they start
  • 47:48
    to figure out how it works and there's
  • 47:50
    also some massive media tomahawks out
  • 47:54
    there and in after the break all by the
  • 47:57
    way this is the where I see the weakness
  • 48:01
    the media tomahawks the media and I have
  • 48:04
    one clip about this but the media is
  • 48:09
    finally gotten a clue instead of like us
  • 48:12
    on Facebook it's like let us get
  • 48:14
    Facebook because they are if if the
  • 48:17
    media doesn't stop them they're gonna be
  • 48:19
    the media is gonna be even in worship
  • 48:21
    than they are already
  • 48:22
    ever since news first broke that a
  • 48:24
    political consulting firm Cambridge
  • 48:26
    analytic I was able to get data from 87
  • 48:30
    million Facebook users there have been
  • 48:32
    more questions
  • 48:33
    about whether Facebook sold or shared
  • 48:35
    more data with other companies then it's
  • 48:38
    led on publicly that investigation has
  • 48:40
    been continuing in Europe today as Nick
  • 48:43
    Schifrin tells us there are new
  • 48:45
    documents that show the social media
  • 48:47
    giant gave other companies select access
  • 48:50
    to users data Judy the documents were
  • 48:52
    released by a British Parliament
  • 48:54
    committee and seemed to show Facebook
  • 48:55
    using all of our data as a bargaining
  • 48:58
    chip to increase revenue the committee
  • 49:00
    accuses Facebook of cutting special
  • 49:02
    deals with companies like Netflix Airbnb
  • 49:04
    and lyft to access users data because
  • 49:07
    those companies were advertising on
  • 49:09
    Facebook Facebook restricted access to
  • 49:11
    users data to companies it deemed
  • 49:12
    competition yeah this is perfect I was
  • 49:16
    gonna do this after our break but you've
  • 49:18
    led me into it with this so I'm gonna do
  • 49:20
    these it's a series of clips the only
  • 49:22
    other series I have and I can do it
  • 49:24
    before the break but we have to do it
  • 49:26
    because it is this frontline PBS
  • 49:30
    Frontline interviewed Brad parse Cal and
  • 49:34
    he is the guy who ran the digital I
  • 49:36
    think we played some clips from in the
  • 49:37
    past he's the guy who ran as the digital
  • 49:39
    media campaign for Trump mainly Facebook
  • 49:41
    and I think he's currently the only
  • 49:42
    person working on Trump's twenty20
  • 49:44
    re-election campaign which I'm sure is
  • 49:47
    online at this point and not only did he
  • 49:51
    say that he had to have a full recording
  • 49:54
    of their interview but as a part of
  • 49:55
    something new the PBS Frontline
  • 49:58
    transparency project which as
  • 50:01
    recommended by that spook which one of
  • 50:04
    the the Woodward or Bernstein whoever at
  • 50:06
    Bernstein like oh we should chop up the
  • 50:09
    interviews and then put the whole thing
  • 50:10
    online so they did they put the whole
  • 50:12
    interview online it is fantastic to
  • 50:14
    watch is them in hour and 15 minutes it
  • 50:17
    the whole point of this interview is to
  • 50:21
    discredit facebook to show how the Trump
  • 50:24
    campaign manipulated Facebook's
  • 50:26
    algorithms how how it you know how the
  • 50:29
    internet research agency and the
  • 50:31
    Russians were able to change votes
  • 50:32
    they're come so micro focused and this
  • 50:35
    guy who's doing the interview he can't
  • 50:37
    he just can't make it happen it's so bad
  • 50:40
    at the end and you know it's really bad
  • 50:42
    when your producer starts interrupting
  • 50:44
    and asking counter questions behind
  • 50:46
    there's a female voice who starts
  • 50:48
    jumping in and you know that it's things
  • 50:50
    are not going well with your little
  • 50:52
    piece here your hit job um so this is
  • 50:55
    really a face bag hit job gone terribly
  • 50:58
    wrong and as a as a former marketer and
  • 51:04
    I think you'll find it interesting as
  • 51:05
    well John to listen really how they did
  • 51:10
    it what the strategy was and the tactics
  • 51:12
    which were elegantly simple and not so
  • 51:14
    foreign to us is just nice to hear
  • 51:17
    because it kind of shows you you know is
  • 51:20
    everything new or is the old stuff just
  • 51:22
    faster and so what was the primary in
  • 51:25
    the primary season what was the strategy
  • 51:27
    on Facebook and how did it kind of shift
  • 51:29
    going into 20s and all shock it all how
  • 51:33
    so what's that mean
  • 51:34
    which means does put mr. Trump this
  • 51:38
    message
  • 51:39
    let him speak directly to camera and
  • 51:41
    give it to as many people as possible I
  • 51:43
    also say parse cow has the same illness
  • 51:46
    as Tim Cook there must be tech thing
  • 51:49
    again there must be 30 edits just taking
  • 51:52
    out the long pauses for your listening
  • 51:54
    enjoyment and when you say shock and awe
  • 51:57
    do you mean that in that you were
  • 51:58
    bombarding people with kind of boring
  • 52:00
    him or don't worry look yeah it's not
  • 52:02
    about what we were showing it's not
  • 52:04
    shock as in the type of content it's the
  • 52:06
    shock of here is a considerable amount
  • 52:10
    of content to just continue to show them
  • 52:13
    directly from the President or Donald
  • 52:15
    Trump and so I take shock a lot more
  • 52:18
    just the military sense of let's just go
  • 52:20
    and flood the zone I mean but in terms
  • 52:22
    of shock and awe content I mean one of
  • 52:25
    the things there things go viral right
  • 52:28
    on Facebook sort of playing to the
  • 52:31
    outbreak you said this is what I like so
  • 52:33
    this guy thinks he knows how it works
  • 52:35
    like well you know things play into the
  • 52:37
    algorithms right you know this this
  • 52:39
    never-ending AI belief in machine
  • 52:42
    learning and it matters yeah shocking
  • 52:46
    all content I mean one of the things
  • 52:49
    there things go viral
  • 52:51
    right on Facebook and they're sort of
  • 52:53
    playing to the algorithm and you know of
  • 52:56
    what's engaging
  • 52:57
    hold on a second stop yes
  • 53:02
    what does any algorithm have to do with
  • 53:05
    things going viral I think what he's
  • 53:07
    trying to say or what he wants to get
  • 53:09
    out of this guy is when you have
  • 53:12
    controversial content that gets people
  • 53:15
    pissed off they click on it and that
  • 53:17
    goes viral that's what he wants to hear
  • 53:20
    he wants to hear that the Trump campaign
  • 53:22
    the dirty tricks played into all kinds
  • 53:24
    of nastiness and that crank the algos
  • 53:26
    and he won the election that's that's
  • 53:29
    the story here
  • 53:31
    brother sort of playing to the algorithm
  • 53:34
    and by the way it's PBS Frontline is it
  • 53:37
    not some you know shuck and jive outfit
  • 53:39
    no these are not shuck and drive drivers
  • 53:42
    at all this is the Hot Shots yeah this
  • 53:44
    is the top pros from Dover you know of
  • 53:48
    what's engaging content and was there
  • 53:52
    thinking inside of the campaign that
  • 53:54
    what's more engaging on Facebook for
  • 53:56
    instance is more shocking content more
  • 54:00
    incendiary content no it doesn't you
  • 54:02
    consider account at all what I mean is
  • 54:04
    the Donald Trump speaking to the
  • 54:05
    American people was a shock to the
  • 54:06
    system they have for so many years
  • 54:08
    received a concentrated message that had
  • 54:11
    been filtered by the media into what
  • 54:12
    they were being told they needed to be
  • 54:14
    to do the left wants you to believe that
  • 54:16
    that is something that was that was
  • 54:18
    above and beyond no it was just a
  • 54:20
    message different than theirs and it was
  • 54:22
    a message about a conservative voice and
  • 54:24
    he delivered that directly to him in in
  • 54:26
    large volume and we did we did have to
  • 54:28
    make anything we just had to let mr.
  • 54:29
    Trump talk directly the camera and they
  • 54:31
    listened I know but are you telling me
  • 54:32
    that inside of the campaign there wasn't
  • 54:34
    thinking about what actually triggers
  • 54:37
    the algorithm what actually makes things
  • 54:39
    go viral that more know that that nope
  • 54:43
    that wasn't thinking inside of the
  • 54:45
    campaign at that point nope so it was a
  • 54:48
    cell Donald Trump's message he has never
  • 54:50
    changed his message to equal an
  • 54:52
    algorithm right but does it work in the
  • 54:56
    advantage I mean I'm just wondering
  • 54:57
    because you know how social media works
  • 54:59
    you know social media works so do you
  • 55:03
    don't you bro nice guy is just on a job
  • 55:06
    this guy should be fired from frontline
  • 55:09
    he might be I mean I I didn't I have too
  • 55:12
    much content to have done clips of his
  • 55:14
    producer jumping all over him but that
  • 55:16
    when that happens you know you know you
  • 55:18
    should start getting a cardboard box and
  • 55:21
    see what this guy's to say instead of
  • 55:23
    trying to make him say stuff exactly
  • 55:26
    does it work in the advantage I mean I'm
  • 55:28
    just wondering because you know how
  • 55:29
    social media works right you know what
  • 55:31
    the algorithm favors content that's
  • 55:33
    engaging diverse content that that is
  • 55:36
    emotional to some degree so you're
  • 55:38
    saying that the messaging of the
  • 55:40
    campaign did not play on that in any way
  • 55:43
    because American people the reason why
  • 55:45
    it went viral is news people were
  • 55:46
    seeking that message and was it in any
  • 55:49
    way seen as an opportunity to or the
  • 55:52
    chance to experiment in that with
  • 55:55
    different messaging for instance that
  • 55:57
    there wouldn't be I mean granted people
  • 56:00
    could share right and just again right
  • 56:03
    but there the rules are very different
  • 56:06
    and the game is very different than on
  • 56:08
    TV a lot more people see it it's
  • 56:10
    exposing so much it's actually less if I
  • 56:12
    run an ad and only Eastern Washington on
  • 56:15
    a local DMA who else sees it just so you
  • 56:17
    understand diem he's talking about a
  • 56:19
    demographic area in a television local
  • 56:22
    television media by this is a little
  • 56:25
    technical but it's interesting because
  • 56:26
    he's basically dispelling everything
  • 56:29
    that they've thought about this campaign
  • 56:31
    in facebook it's actually less if I run
  • 56:33
    an ad and only Eastern Washington on a
  • 56:36
    local DMA who all sees it only people in
  • 56:38
    the eastern DMA Washington right right
  • 56:40
    so if I run it Facebook ad and that same
  • 56:43
    DMA and they share it with people in LA
  • 56:45
    who just saw more there is I could give
  • 56:48
    you all that mail the same way less
  • 56:50
    shared the difference is that when the
  • 56:53
    left saw that we use it so well they
  • 56:56
    they panicked and thought that that
  • 56:57
    somehow we twisted people's minds what
  • 57:01
    which didn't happen is because they
  • 57:02
    couldn't explain it because they once
  • 57:04
    lost control that's the beauty of the
  • 57:06
    internet because the airs
  • 57:07
    the ads could be shared because it was
  • 57:10
    so open it allowed it to expand and to
  • 57:12
    become a movement is the actual opposite
  • 57:15
    of what they want to believe so he
  • 57:17
    basically had a hundred million dollars
  • 57:18
    and just bought the right brought ads
  • 57:20
    for the right people and just focused on
  • 57:23
    the right areas the rest of my clips are
  • 57:25
    not as long but I think it's really
  • 57:27
    important to hear some of this cuz it's
  • 57:28
    debunking a lot of the theories that
  • 57:30
    we've been blanketed with now this guy
  • 57:32
    may be full of crap I don't know but it
  • 57:34
    sounds think so I think he's right on
  • 57:36
    the money this other guy the one is full
  • 57:38
    well that's what makes it entertaining
  • 57:39
    to listen
  • 57:40
    so now the another tact well hold on a
  • 57:44
    second you know it's misleading you
  • 57:46
    don't know if it's an ad it could be
  • 57:48
    just you know it shows up as content you
  • 57:51
    know people don't know it's advertising
  • 57:53
    it's you know this is the trying to say
  • 57:56
    this never happens in the New York Times
  • 57:57
    with their native ad probe oh well I he
  • 58:00
    didn't quite answer it that way but he
  • 58:01
    came close do you think it was clear in
  • 58:03
    2016 that there was a substantive
  • 58:05
    difference in a Facebook feed between
  • 58:08
    pads and contents does Adelman and
  • 58:11
    sponsored content is sponsored and you
  • 58:15
    think that an American voter is actually
  • 58:16
    is going to know the difference between
  • 58:18
    that yeah I mean I will tell you much
  • 58:21
    worse is you open up the Wall Street
  • 58:23
    Journal or you'll actually moreover the
  • 58:24
    New York Times you know the difference
  • 58:25
    between an opinion piece in a news piece
  • 58:27
    yeah you do really sure there's one word
  • 58:35
    one word underneath your title it says
  • 58:37
    opinion what's the difference being the
  • 58:38
    one where this is sponsored I love how
  • 58:41
    the interviewer you know thinks the
  • 58:42
    American public is stupid and they're
  • 58:45
    stupid but when it's the New York Times
  • 58:47
    of course the people who read the New
  • 58:48
    York Times they see the word opinion
  • 58:50
    obviously although the New York Times
  • 58:52
    readers are so much I think that people
  • 58:55
    know that when they first of all it's
  • 58:58
    not man if you look back how things were
  • 59:00
    done in 26 60 percent of the content now
  • 59:03
    in major newspapers and on major outlets
  • 59:05
    now or opinion pieces thirty years ago
  • 59:08
    it was less than like 10% we have turned
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    into an entire media company that in a
  • 59:12
    media outlet system there's mainly a bit
  • 59:14
    more on opinion and commentary instead
  • 59:17
    of news so you you turn on any new major
  • 59:20
    news media tonight and you watch it and
  • 59:22
    you consume how much was commentary and
  • 59:23
    how much of US news that has flipped I
  • 59:26
    think that what has happened well the
  • 59:28
    youth the new this industry would say in
  • 59:30
    response to that that it's what makes
  • 59:32
    some money well it's the only way to get
  • 59:34
    engagement on the face to make money
  • 59:38
    what the guy the guy the interviewee the
  • 59:42
    Trump guy is right of course online does
  • 59:47
    not pay the way print does and so you
  • 59:49
    have to start pulling these stunts to
  • 59:52
    get attention opinion does a much better
  • 59:53
    job
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    and then paid content yes so you just
  • 59:57
    buy these stories and put them in there
  • 59:59
    and that's what these guys have to do to
  • 1:00:00
    survive you cannot run an online
  • 1:00:02
    publication and make money using the old
  • 1:00:05
    models you can't even come close that
  • 1:00:07
    doesn't fit in this interviewers brain
  • 1:00:09
    because he's pure he's he's pure of
  • 1:00:13
    journalistic thought what engages people
  • 1:00:15
    when Facebook is your news source is
  • 1:00:19
    opinion and is polarizing I would say
  • 1:00:23
    what the Trump campaign put up online
  • 1:00:25
    was a hundred times more real than all
  • 1:00:26
    the news articles that were put up are
  • 1:00:28
    you serious because I would read the
  • 1:00:33
    articles and they were false one after
  • 1:00:35
    another after another because I actually
  • 1:00:37
    was in the room I was with him I
  • 1:00:39
    listened to him I was in all the
  • 1:00:40
    meetings and piece after piece after
  • 1:00:42
    piece was full of anonymous sources
  • 1:00:45
    single source content fake stories over
  • 1:00:48
    and over again every day every day it's
  • 1:00:52
    why I record this conversation that's
  • 1:00:54
    why everything I do now I have to think
  • 1:00:56
    that everyone's gonna do something fake
  • 1:00:58
    against me so then the you know of
  • 1:01:02
    course there's Facebook is doing things
  • 1:01:04
    like oh we're going to publish all the
  • 1:01:05
    ads and show that their political ads
  • 1:01:07
    everyone can see the ads and we all know
  • 1:01:09
    it's good transparency and what it mean
  • 1:01:11
    what do you make of the fact that you
  • 1:01:14
    know how does it change your strategy
  • 1:01:16
    going into 2020 the fact that Facebook's
  • 1:01:19
    changed some of its policies about for
  • 1:01:22
    instance they're gonna know all the ends
  • 1:01:24
    yeah sure what he has will just save me
  • 1:01:26
    a bunch of money because now I get to
  • 1:01:27
    see my that's free so it's not it
  • 1:01:30
    doesn't hamstring you in any way in
  • 1:01:32
    terms of what ads you want to show to
  • 1:01:33
    what people hmm just lets other people
  • 1:01:36
    see my eyes for free I'm it's kinda like
  • 1:01:38
    a gift the guy's head is going oh how
  • 1:01:42
    can this be
  • 1:01:43
    now do you some factual stuff that I
  • 1:01:45
    hear before this I had not heard about
  • 1:01:48
    Cambridge analytic and analytic I okay I
  • 1:01:51
    hope this our producers appreciate some
  • 1:01:54
    of these this clip these clips are a
  • 1:01:55
    little like I would say dry but
  • 1:01:59
    extremely valuable
  • 1:02:01
    thank you that's how I saw it as well
  • 1:02:03
    that's why I spent a lot of time
  • 1:02:04
    tightening them up because it's so long
  • 1:02:07
    and yeah it is a little dry this next
  • 1:02:10
    piece is really you know is it's a real
  • 1:02:12
    nugget I'm just gonna ask you what is
  • 1:02:15
    your impression of the Trump campaigns
  • 1:02:17
    involvement with Cambridge analytic and
  • 1:02:19
    data what do you know about that just
  • 1:02:21
    from what is the accepted truth on
  • 1:02:23
    Snopes
  • 1:02:25
    who else nope I really don't know that
  • 1:02:30
    there was a connection between data
  • 1:02:32
    between analytic and fate and Facebook
  • 1:02:35
    our thinking is what we're talking about
  • 1:02:37
    well be from necessarily the way I
  • 1:02:40
    understood the story the way the
  • 1:02:42
    narrative plays is Cambridge analytic
  • 1:02:45
    Bannen went over there Bannen set it all
  • 1:02:48
    up and they had illegally accessed
  • 1:02:52
    Facebook data and then that data was
  • 1:02:55
    merged with all kinds of stuff for this
  • 1:02:57
    massive smart micro-targeting well I
  • 1:02:59
    think we've already just made the case
  • 1:03:02
    that it was never illegal how the show I
  • 1:03:06
    think you'll be surprised when you hear
  • 1:03:08
    what his answer is the Trump campaign
  • 1:03:10
    paid Cambridge analytic nearly 6 million
  • 1:03:12
    bucks where'd you get for that money
  • 1:03:14
    well five million dollars that was a TV
  • 1:03:16
    buy so you got to wipe off five million
  • 1:03:19
    dollars Steve and I made a purchase of
  • 1:03:21
    TV advertising that was that round the
  • 1:03:24
    East Coast
  • 1:03:25
    they have a television division where
  • 1:03:27
    they've literally just placed television
  • 1:03:30
    they're paid I think approximate on
  • 1:03:32
    $800,000 we receive staff the reason I
  • 1:03:37
    hired Cambridge analytical was actually
  • 1:03:38
    not for Cambridge analytical I didn't
  • 1:03:40
    know about their company had anything
  • 1:03:41
    about him they had hired some of the
  • 1:03:43
    Scott Walker digital team in 2015 these
  • 1:03:47
    were the guys that had really helped
  • 1:03:48
    Scott Walker reelect and there was a guy
  • 1:03:50
    named maddest kalki when I met Kay image
  • 1:03:53
    I thought they were full of crap but I
  • 1:03:55
    met Matt as Kelsey and I really liked
  • 1:03:58
    him he had experience running a very
  • 1:04:01
    well targeted to a little crepe brand
  • 1:04:03
    digital campaign I actually wanted to
  • 1:04:05
    hire him without Cambridge and he said
  • 1:04:07
    I'm under contract so I asked him for an
  • 1:04:09
    employment contract and so I hired them
  • 1:04:12
    for staff only and each one of the
  • 1:04:14
    payments between then and Election Day
  • 1:04:15
    with her staff only
  • 1:04:16
    and then Matt worked on my team with
  • 1:04:18
    with four or five of his people and they
  • 1:04:21
    mainly ran pulling visualization and
  • 1:04:23
    support staff to all the things we
  • 1:04:25
    needed to do to you know get things done
  • 1:04:28
    digitally I actually hadn't hired
  • 1:04:30
    Cambridge and looking for any data work
  • 1:04:33
    hire them for any other data would you
  • 1:04:36
    regret any affiliation with Cambridge
  • 1:04:38
    analytical hindsight's 2020 now I don't
  • 1:04:42
    regret I don't regret because I'm
  • 1:04:43
    sitting here today and Donald Trump's
  • 1:04:44
    president so I'm not gonna regret that
  • 1:04:46
    decision you know sad what Cambridge any
  • 1:04:51
    analytic executives did but I barely
  • 1:04:54
    knew him didn't even have anything like
  • 1:04:55
    contact with him and for the day I hired
  • 1:04:57
    him til after the day off the election
  • 1:04:58
    I'd actually never talked to any of
  • 1:04:59
    those guys so we don't know how truthful
  • 1:05:01
    this is but I've never heard this
  • 1:05:03
    version of the story I'd never heard
  • 1:05:06
    that either but I want to mention
  • 1:05:07
    something to some of our sports fans out
  • 1:05:09
    there I'm listening to this guy names
  • 1:05:12
    this guy sounds like somebody and if
  • 1:05:14
    anybody I know she gotta be ten guys are
  • 1:05:16
    gonna get this joke he sounds exactly
  • 1:05:18
    like clay Thompson of the of the Golden
  • 1:05:21
    Gate Warriors that's I'm done okay claps
  • 1:05:24
    I was just stepping back for the
  • 1:05:26
    laughter Ivan yeah I'm sure you're right
  • 1:05:29
    all right to part of this then we're
  • 1:05:31
    done and this comes down to our
  • 1:05:34
    questioning of the effectiveness of the
  • 1:05:37
    ad buy that the internet research agency
  • 1:05:40
    did and how they were able to change the
  • 1:05:44
    minds of millions of Americans to vote
  • 1:05:46
    for Donald Trump as well as for $100,000
  • 1:05:51
    yeah well a hundred thousand dollars
  • 1:05:52
    turns out that wasn't really the budget
  • 1:05:55
    and you know what yeah yeah and and you
  • 1:06:00
    know we also have we've had all kinds of
  • 1:06:03
    questions about the effectiveness of the
  • 1:06:05
    platform I think if you know if you can
  • 1:06:07
    span less the story is a hundred
  • 1:06:09
    thousand dollars and you can make
  • 1:06:10
    someone president which is what the the
  • 1:06:12
    accusation is and we have what twelve
  • 1:06:14
    indictments of Internet research agency
  • 1:06:16
    dudes based upon this $100,000 collusion
  • 1:06:19
    campaign or the influencer campaign yeah
  • 1:06:23
    it was so wide well I think parse call
  • 1:06:26
    does a good job of explaining it as far
  • 1:06:28
    as I know Facebook has not released all
  • 1:06:30
    of the repository of the advertising
  • 1:06:34
    that happened on their platform during
  • 1:06:36
    2016 whether it was by the Russians or
  • 1:06:38
    the Trump campaign or any other actors
  • 1:06:40
    who were cool Trump campaigns on an
  • 1:06:42
    actor
  • 1:06:43
    vanes the official dark money groups or
  • 1:06:46
    anyone else there also if if you talk
  • 1:06:48
    about super PACs and see fors and all
  • 1:06:50
    those things that's part of the current
  • 1:06:52
    political system but the only thing is
  • 1:06:54
    it's been accusatory is what these
  • 1:06:56
    actors did from this internet research
  • 1:06:59
    company or whatever is the only one I
  • 1:07:00
    know about and the only one I've read
  • 1:07:01
    about and what I've read about is during
  • 1:07:04
    the last couple months of the campaign
  • 1:07:06
    there was only a fraction of money spent
  • 1:07:09
    well less than hundred thousand
  • 1:07:10
    somewhere down under ten thousand
  • 1:07:12
    dollars Rangers been different accounts
  • 1:07:14
    of how much that is I'm saying six
  • 1:07:15
    thousands I'm saying eight thousand but
  • 1:07:17
    the fraction of that probably what was
  • 1:07:19
    spent on Facebook was probably close to
  • 1:07:21
    500 to 600 million the United States by
  • 1:07:23
    legitimate organizations and to try to
  • 1:07:25
    say that that 500 or 600 million that
  • 1:07:28
    six thousand dollars somehow influence
  • 1:07:31
    600 million is the biggest piece of just
  • 1:07:35
    malarkey I've ever heard even though
  • 1:07:38
    Facebook is actually a very effective
  • 1:07:41
    targeting tool yeah they can't say that
  • 1:07:43
    though because it would say that's like
  • 1:07:45
    singing a restaurant goes puts five
  • 1:07:46
    thousand dollars from some restaurant
  • 1:07:48
    and in Wichita Kansas put five thousand
  • 1:07:51
    dollars and all over the world make the
  • 1:07:52
    next day is gonna know how great that
  • 1:07:53
    restaurant is from five thousand dollars
  • 1:07:54
    advertising just doesn't happen it's not
  • 1:07:57
    possible I don't understand it and if
  • 1:08:00
    someone shows me the proof that somehow
  • 1:08:01
    it influenced somebody I haven't seen it
  • 1:08:03
    but I think the media wants you to
  • 1:08:05
    believe it because they want to believe
  • 1:08:06
    that that somehow none of this is legit
  • 1:08:09
    that these guys somehow faked all
  • 1:08:11
    everybody out for six thousand dollars
  • 1:08:13
    and I think it's a big joke I mean you
  • 1:08:16
    can't even I can barely fly from here to
  • 1:08:18
    Hawaii him back for six thousand dollars
  • 1:08:20
    I'm not gonna change the entire American
  • 1:08:21
    electric fort so apparently the last six
  • 1:08:24
    weeks which is really when he spent
  • 1:08:26
    ninety million dollars on shock and awe
  • 1:08:30
    in in the right places but that was
  • 1:08:32
    that's what he says just it was just a
  • 1:08:34
    lot to them to the people we were
  • 1:08:35
    interested in and they Reshard it versus
  • 1:08:38
    the six thousand so he questions the
  • 1:08:40
    validity of that and he has an
  • 1:08:42
    explanation as to why facebook won't
  • 1:08:44
    actually set the record straight do you
  • 1:08:45
    think that facebook bears any
  • 1:08:47
    responsibility for the fact that bad
  • 1:08:49
    actors with us are using these powerful
  • 1:08:51
    tools
  • 1:08:52
    mess with the American electorate could
  • 1:08:54
    it maybe question why a Russian company
  • 1:08:57
    with Russian IP addresses or buying ads
  • 1:08:59
    on a platform sounds kind of you know
  • 1:09:02
    suspicious to me also you know maybe it
  • 1:09:06
    was just a little amount of money they
  • 1:09:07
    spent that it just went under the radar
  • 1:09:08
    you know six thousand dollars whatever
  • 1:09:10
    is the last six weeks or whatever eight
  • 1:09:11
    weeks I mean I was spending that per
  • 1:09:14
    half second per millisecond probably so
  • 1:09:17
    if you take that over six weeks I mean
  • 1:09:20
    they were spinning point zero zero zero
  • 1:09:22
    zero one cents per second so I mean I
  • 1:09:25
    could get help maybe a fly under the
  • 1:09:26
    radar I think they'll do a better job
  • 1:09:28
    now they'll probably verifying initial
  • 1:09:31
    ad vendors and so this problem doesn't
  • 1:09:34
    go away but I would imagine it's more to
  • 1:09:35
    do with the small amount of money they
  • 1:09:37
    spent if they woulda came to spend a
  • 1:09:39
    hundred million dollars and they said
  • 1:09:40
    they were going to or they even started
  • 1:09:41
    to spend the kind of money I would
  • 1:09:42
    imagine I didn't want a big Facebook's
  • 1:09:45
    biggest mistakes was is there they they
  • 1:09:47
    were they were in a conflict of
  • 1:09:49
    marketing versus ethics so actually
  • 1:09:52
    explain to everybody that's six thousand
  • 1:09:53
    dollars in agile II wasn't doing much
  • 1:09:55
    also makes you sound like your platforms
  • 1:09:56
    not that powerful to do something for
  • 1:09:58
    cheap so if you want to get rid of every
  • 1:10:00
    small vendors using your platform in
  • 1:10:02
    America go on TV and say wow that
  • 1:10:04
    actually isn't very much so Facebook
  • 1:10:07
    could have was caught in the gonna catch
  • 1:10:10
    22 to say Russia couldn't do a lot that
  • 1:10:13
    little about on money of these actors
  • 1:10:14
    were also says that all the small
  • 1:10:18
    businesses across America you can't
  • 1:10:20
    actually do something effective for that
  • 1:10:21
    little bit of money so they were kind of
  • 1:10:24
    caught in a little paradox so what
  • 1:10:25
    they've almost said is yeah a hundred
  • 1:10:27
    thousand hundred million or the same
  • 1:10:28
    thing you know well even hundred
  • 1:10:29
    thousand six thousand dollars I said
  • 1:10:31
    they only spent like less than ten
  • 1:10:32
    dollars or so him same period time that
  • 1:10:34
    I spend a hundred million retro
  • 1:10:37
    there you go I don't know if that made
  • 1:10:39
    it into the final piece because I've not
  • 1:10:40
    seen the the edited show somehow I would
  • 1:10:44
    think they would but maybe they're too
  • 1:10:46
    stupid I doubt it
  • 1:10:47
    cuz that's that's the money shot I was
  • 1:10:50
    doing the interviewing he has to be one
  • 1:10:51
    of them and that woman who's behind him
  • 1:10:53
    have to be part of the producing package
  • 1:10:55
    and they're the ones that are gonna make
  • 1:10:56
    that put that together with this guy and
  • 1:10:58
    they're gonna they're gonna clip maybe
  • 1:11:01
    five minutes from all that oh if that
  • 1:11:03
    yeah if that well no front line does
  • 1:11:06
    clip as much as five minutes but they
  • 1:11:07
    don't do it it they don't play it all at
  • 1:11:09
    once
  • 1:11:09
    yeah but the whole the whole piece and
  • 1:11:11
    it's in the show notes and a show notes
  • 1:11:13
    com is well worth watching because it
  • 1:11:17
    goes there's a lot of detail about how
  • 1:11:18
    they used Facebook if anybody's an
  • 1:11:21
    amateur marketing guy oh we have a
  • 1:11:23
    number producers who have to do that
  • 1:11:24
    sort of thing sales yep sales and
  • 1:11:27
    marketing I'd listen to this this sounds
  • 1:11:29
    like a very revealing interview the guy
  • 1:11:31
    was very face forward with everything he
  • 1:11:34
    wasn't trying to off obfuscate any
  • 1:11:36
    tricks or secrets yeah and it was there
  • 1:11:40
    was other interesting stuff which I
  • 1:11:42
    didn't clip but you know the accusation
  • 1:11:43
    which came from a Bloomberg report that
  • 1:11:46
    they targeted the zip code with African
  • 1:11:48
    American Americans with all kinds of
  • 1:11:51
    terrifying things about Hillary Clinton
  • 1:11:53
    and his comeback is do you think I'm
  • 1:11:58
    stupid see no one targets by zip code
  • 1:12:00
    anymore we look at a zip code and see
  • 1:12:02
    the people there when we have all their
  • 1:12:04
    interests we just we don't see skin
  • 1:12:06
    color we don't give a crap we just we
  • 1:12:08
    just go look at that are they likely
  • 1:12:11
    Trump voters that's it
  • 1:12:13
    zip codes is like two generations old
  • 1:12:17
    versions of Mark exactly nobody does
  • 1:12:21
    that anymore yeah but but they were dead
  • 1:12:23
    serious about it in the interview is
  • 1:12:24
    headshake well if this was done by a