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1081: BLEXIT

Adam Curry & John C. Dvorak

3h 2m
October 28th, 2018
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Executive Producers: Roderick Prince, Sir Andrew Protector of the Bound Book

Associate Executive Producers: Sir JD, Baron of Silly-con Valley, Cheryl Waldick

Cover Art by Mark G

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Chapters

0:00
Start of Show
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1:23
October Surprise
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3:56
Squirrel Hill Synagogue Shooting
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8:31
The Alt-Right’s Favorite Social Network Gab No-Platformed
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14:08
Suspicious Twitter Accounts Connected to the MAGABomber
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16:31
MAGABomber Arrested in Florida
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36:20
MAGABomber Employer Interview
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56:15
MAGABomber's Extremist Political Tweets
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1:00:15
US Intelligence Involvement in MAGABomber Set-up
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1:14:02
Social Media Precursors
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1:22:26
Credits
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1:31:31
European Court of Human Rights Rules Against Defaming Prophet Muhammad
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1:39:54
Macron: “Europe is Not a Supermarket”
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1:41:38
Producer Note: Marxism in the US
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1:43:24
Curriculum Changes and Redistribution by War
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1:48:27
BLEXIT
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1:51:23
The Switch of Racist Politicians from Democrats to Republicans
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2:11:12
Stereotypes on Murphy Brown TV Show
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2:17:28
MAGABomber-like Event Expected Beforehand
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2:18:34
Trump Speaks at The Young Black Leadership Summit
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2:20:26
JCD's Out of Context Rick Wilson Clip
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2:21:59
Producer Note: The Party Switch
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2:22:39
Donations
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2:29:20
Birthdays
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2:30:20
Producer Note: Mandatory Boil Water Notice in Austin Scam
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2:35:34
Climate Change: Typhoon Mangkhut
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2:36:50
Megan Kelly Set-Up to be Fired After #MeToo Comments
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2:49:47
Hospitals Filing Bankruptcy in The Netherlands
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2:52:11
Tectonic Plate Split in Two After 2017 Earthquake in Mexico
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2:54:51
Pronounciation of Eritrea by Dr. Eric Cline
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2:56:12
End of Show
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    headless mannequins Adam Curry Jhansi
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    Devorah this is your award-winning give
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    our nation media assassination episode
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    1081 this is no agenda broadcasting live
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    from the capital the drone star stayed
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    here in downtown Austin take us in the
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    clue do in the morning everybody
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    hi Madame Curie man from northern
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    Silicon Valley where they're trying to
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    seek the stock market that's my idea I'm
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    John see Devorah who is they
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    Silicon Valley the Silicon Valley's
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    trying to sink the stock market yeah
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    they did it before 99 2000 it was
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    Australia something mark yes but you
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    think they're actively trying to sink it
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    I think is something in their DNA
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    oh it's unintentional they're they
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    become self-hating kind of yeah
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    self-loathing self loser that's self
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    loathing billionaires there's yeah well
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    I don't I don't have any money in the
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    market so I'm I'm happy I'm okay
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    yeah you're being good while you can be
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    short but might not be a bet that I'd I
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    don't have time to play these games it's
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    silly yeah I already vape enough I don't
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    need to be day trading
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    I got enough douchebag needs in monikers
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    on me weld anything happened between
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    shows I think the Nielsen's came out
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    maybe we have this October Surprise idea
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    which is I guess was coined in the
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    see that was the coming out of Carter I
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    think that's the first time I remember
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    it yeah with the Iranian hostages that
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    was the that was the sober surprise and
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    it clinched the election they say for a
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    you for Reagan yeah supposedly
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    supposedly so now we're always waiting
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    for these October surprises and I'm like
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    okay I got it we have enough surprises
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    known to show for 11 years yes and how
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    many October surprises have we actually
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    seen that were genuine I don't remember
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    one there's this little thing incidents
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    yeah I'm trying to but during the
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    Hillary Trump thing there was no October
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    Surprise and I mean it or whatever
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    surprising was in August and September
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    well that's not true we had all kinds of
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    surprises with the emails at the the two
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    weeks before the other that was way
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    before no no no when Comey came out and
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    said he created his own October Surprise
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    that come on that I mean I don't
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    consider that much of a surprise no one
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    was surprised by the news but it was
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    supposed to be a surprise yeah I don't
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    know no but it's interesting that we
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    have a whole bunch of things happening
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    at once in some way to create a critical
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    mass of some Democrats support well
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    let's turn that let's look at it
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    differently in that in this case let's
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    just say it's a little disheartening
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    that anything that happens immediately
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    has to be true you know we don't even
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    have time to process what's taking place
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    people are being shot up there's okay
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    there's the threat of pipe bombs we
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    still have you know the khashoggi I'm
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    sorry I got to do that right to shuji we
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    should all got him chief eg we still got
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    him to deal with that's kind of falling
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    off the front page that's for sure well
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    and you know and then you got a wonder
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    is that good thing that fell off the
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    front page and then we have the the pipe
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    bomber and he were we arrested him or
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    give Deborah things was perfect and you
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    know clearly a Trump guy
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    and then we have the Squirrel Hill
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    shooting it's like wow this is but and
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    did you see the the posting from the
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    Squirrel Hill synagogue shooter that he
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    said yeah through you with your uh What
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    did he say
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    screw you with your uh I don't have it
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    in front with your optics with your
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    optics yeah I said that's right he said
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    screw you with your optics there's no
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    magnet with all these Jews or use the
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    derisive term kike yeah what well this
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    guy was this guy was a lunatic yeah this
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    guy was something different in fact he
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    did not like Trump if you look at his
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    all the pictures he had another Jew
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    hater to this extreme believe Trump was
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    controlled by the Jews he and his
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    daughter was I guess a sacrifice or
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    something I have no this guy was a
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    lunatic yeah yeah but
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    his statements before the should this
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    guy was I don't know this is the most
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    suspicious thing I've seen cuz this
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    guy's either hypnotized or I mean there
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    was no reason for him to do anything he
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    had a big grudge against the Jewish
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    immigration operation that helps
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    refugees from I guess the Middle East or
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    elsewhere that a Jewish kind of settled
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    the United States and he claimed that
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    they were killing his people yeah the
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    thing is this was that all about who is
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    that who are they killing so if this guy
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    is real if yeah I agree with the officia
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    about this case if this guy is nice well
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    but but you know this is a true the way
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    he comes across this is a real Nazi who
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    really loved Hitler for his
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    extermination of the Jews and up down to
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    a tea you look at these guys they all
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    believe this you know Trump is is under
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    control of the Jews which of course
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    makes it really odd for you to then also
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    called Trump Hitler you know it's like
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    the we have a lot of mixed messages
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    going on a lot you would make up their
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    mind about this Trump guy so I got some
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    of these guys pictures here I'm gonna
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    take a look so we've had Robert Bowers
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    right a look so we've had Robert Bowers
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    yeah Robert Bowers yeah which also
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    harkens to the Bauer name in the 24mm
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    Jack Bauer Jack Bauer hmm that's about
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    the same but it still do you you
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    remember Jack Bauer Jack Bauer big hero
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    now yeah Robert Bowers um you know so
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    you so it's immediately a white guy has
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    to be white it is always very irritating
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    when you see that there was a there was
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    a a a drill in February January of this
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    year for a mass shooting event at the
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    Squirrel Hill synagogue
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    you Hill synagogue
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    really yeah it's always I've really had
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    I mean really now it wasn't like last
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    week but I don't it's not like the
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    coincidence the day before that you know
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    student lingo catch you know but still
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    it's like wow so the only the only thing
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    I can yeah I don't know what to say
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    about this that right now we really
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    don't have a lot of information other
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    than this just know maybe this guy was
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    spurned on by you know what well maybe
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    well maybe we'll never find out I don't
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    know we have them is he still alive he's
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    still alive right yeah and there's also
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    the Farrakhan thing which came up in the
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    conversation cuz he's the one who was
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    condemning the Jews first I don't agree
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    calling him termites or something which
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    was it was reiterated it or not
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    reiterated but it was discussed by who's
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    our lawyer that when Dershowitz came out
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    and he actually said that it did not
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    she's used to actually use the term
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    termite not to as a derisive oh really
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    term for this word according to dentists
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    which is usually not making stuff up and
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    but this was like brushed under the
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    Emmys like well I get a white guy doing
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    the dirty work of the of the Nation of
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    Islam I mean that this whole thing is
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    and I and this is a distraction from
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    what the whole thing is just like an
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    unfortunate uh mess but it does come
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    down to Trump you know there's some
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    house yeah well there is one other thing
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    that that's taking place because of this
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    and you'll start to see this happen more
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    and more
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    I believe the now I don't know what's it
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    now this was the squirrel yeah was the
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    Squirrel Hill shooter I think he had an
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    account on gab which everyone is
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    heralding that yeah I hate to be an
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    idiot yeah but I don't think I've ever
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    heard of this operation yeah someone
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    even got me an account they reserved my
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    name on time I don't think it's a white
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    supremacist you know it's an alternative
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    to Twitter there's a couple of you know
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    the steam it is another one there's
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    different models and you know the this
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    is now you'll see it I mean I'm sure
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    we'll be able to get some clips today
  • 9:08
    after the show they'll be talking about
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    gab as this is this is insane this is
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    crazy how can you have a social network
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    that doesn't remove hateful speech and
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    so they've already been I think they're
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    still up but the PayPal already shut off
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    you know that you can't pay for anything
  • 9:27
    with pivot with PayPal they can't they
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    can't take any money I believe their
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    host was kicking him off yesterday they
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    were being as they say no platformed
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    by their hosting provider so you had is
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    it it sounds to me as though this system
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    is you can't use it unless you pay to be
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    on it um well I have not logged into it
  • 9:49
    so I have an account but I've never
  • 9:51
    logged into it because I'm not
  • 9:53
    interested no I'm not mastered on
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    account no I'm not mastered on
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    Ravinder social comm once you plug that
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    here a social network that champions
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    free speech individual liberty and the
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    free flow of information online all are
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    welcome that's obviously you hate speech
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    right there that's Nazi shit right there
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    yeah obviously I'll have the blink for
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    that we're the swastika blinking so you
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    can be anonymous on gab and now steam it
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    works differently with where they have a
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    crypto integration so you have an
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    account and if people are looking at
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    your stuff then you can get some of
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    these crypto coins and goodies and
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    whatever and you know which may be a
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    future of working but the bottom line is
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    these companies which are by definition
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    their centralized somehow because
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    they're centralizing their services
  • 10:49
    they're going to all be taken down one
  • 10:51
    by one if you don't play along with the
  • 10:53
    what is the independent fact check
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    network which includes everything from
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    Tucker Carlson's Daily Caller foundation
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    I'm sorry Fat Boy Tucker to Snopes which
  • 11:05
    I know it's like the to two extremes of
  • 11:10
    facts you know if you don't participate
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    in the network then you're going to be
  • 11:15
    taken down and companies will not do
  • 11:17
    business with you because you know you
  • 11:18
    who wants to be associated with hate
  • 11:20
    speech so you know then whatever happens
  • 11:24
    is free and open Internet well I'm
  • 11:27
    preparing something for Thursday show I
  • 11:29
    can actually talk about something that's
  • 11:31
    going on that I think is worthwhile
  • 11:33
    discussing but we have too much to do
  • 11:34
    today but we have too much to do
  • 11:35
    but no there is no free and open
  • 11:37
    Internet especially it and even though
  • 11:39
    this is protected gap by definition is
  • 11:42
    by the law is protected under Section
  • 11:45
    230 of the Communications Decency Act by
  • 11:50
    not censoring anything they're not
  • 11:52
    responsible for what shows up on their
  • 11:54
    servers that's the idea was a library of
  • 11:57
    course we have Twitter and Facebook who
  • 11:58
    were playing along nicely in Google who
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    are getting rid of stuff and deleting
  • 12:02
    and you know deep platforming and shadow
  • 12:05
    banning whatever they're accused of
  • 12:07
    they're definitely getting rid of
  • 12:08
    accounts that to me is editorializing
  • 12:11
    they should not be that protected under
  • 12:14
    Sections actually written about this in
  • 12:16
    the past yeah it's what we've talked
  • 12:17
    about it many times they should not be
  • 12:19
    protected against section they should be
  • 12:21
    reliable for everything that happens but
  • 12:23
    you can see what's actually happening is
  • 12:26
    people companies don't want to be
  • 12:28
    associated with someone who stands for
  • 12:31
    free speech or compensate baby brands
  • 12:34
    safe yeah exactly
  • 12:37
    if we didn't if people just paid for
  • 12:39
    their services we wouldn't have this
  • 12:41
    issue they doing gap maybe I think I
  • 12:44
    mean I do we wouldn't we wouldn't have
  • 12:47
    run up against this because we wouldn't
  • 12:49
    have to have the brand safe no one would
  • 12:51
    care about brand safe from this because
  • 12:53
    that's really what it is that's how it
  • 12:54
    all started brands don't want to be
  • 12:56
    associated with any of this speech
  • 12:58
    anyway so I so it's just too early for
  • 13:01
    this show I think to have any
  • 13:04
    um Valley you valuable deconstruction of
  • 13:08
    what happened Squirrel Hill this is too
  • 13:10
    early other than you watch you know gab
  • 13:14
    is going away in any other centralized
  • 13:17
    service that doesn't play along with the
  • 13:18
    system they're gonna go away that's
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    about the only thing I can know for sure
  • 13:24
    well you want okay so we have a bunch of
  • 13:27
    elements here on today's show because
  • 13:29
    they're all this confluence time and I
  • 13:32
    think this is gonna continue right up to
  • 13:33
    the midterms right thank you rise gonna
  • 13:36
    stop again everything will end don't
  • 13:38
    worry just look at the ground it will
  • 13:39
    all go away
  • 13:40
    the spinning will stop but we have the
  • 13:42
    confluence of the the bonesaw guy which
  • 13:46
    is fading fast yeah I got something I
  • 13:49
    got some stuff on bonesaw guy okay we
  • 13:52
    also have Kelly and that's gonna that's
  • 13:56
    gonna crap out and then we now we have
  • 13:58
    these two elements that they just which
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    is I think the more interesting of the
  • 14:03
    stories is the seoc character yes who
  • 14:06
    purports to be a Seminole I have a I
  • 14:08
    have a transitional clip transitional
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    clip shorty this will take us from gab
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    and the Squirrel Hill shooter to the
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    Maggie bomber he was the sole father of
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    two accounts and one of the accounts was
  • 14:19
    called the first name was killed George
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    and the last name was Soros there is a
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    Facebook account out there that is
  • 14:25
    allowed on Facebook exist kill George
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    George called kill George Soros yeah and
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    there's another one called kill all
  • 14:31
    socialists here's the page kill George
  • 14:34
    Soros this man is the only follower do
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    we know who is the who the who owns this
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    page or who set it up that's the problem
  • 14:42
    you can't figure that out I can't what
  • 14:48
    you said you've got a page that says
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    killed George Soros and it's followed by
  • 14:53
    one guy and you can't figure out who set
  • 14:56
    up the page do we know who's the who
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    owns this page or who set it up that's
  • 15:01
    the problem we can't figure that out I
  • 15:02
    can't and it's on Facebook
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    isn't that amazing really here's the
  • 15:09
    thing it really isn't this is so big
  • 15:11
    that they can't catch all these things
  • 15:13
    again that's a problem in itself but
  • 15:15
    you'd figure there would be a flag for
  • 15:17
    something gotta kill George or kill
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    anybody gotta kill George or kill
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    yeah we just get a flag and now go that
  • 15:22
    should do it why can't the outgoes take
  • 15:23
    care of it just crazy who set it up I
  • 15:25
    can't believe it
  • 15:30
    to figure out well it's true that just a
  • 15:34
    page on Facebook you can't necessarily
  • 15:36
    see who set it up but I mean ya figure
  • 15:39
    it out it seems pretty hot but that
  • 15:40
    wasn't the point the point was
  • 15:41
    Facebook's not taking care of business
  • 15:43
    should not have never been allowed that
  • 15:46
    no there was two points there one was
  • 15:47
    fated yeah you can't put a page up like
  • 15:50
    that supposedly the second point is it's
  • 15:52
    obvious this guy set it up is the only
  • 15:55
    follower let me come on
  • 15:57
    dummies yeah now Indy but they're so bit
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    funneled by this
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    lately appears you just play this clip
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    okay I get misses I don't have a lot
  • 16:09
    exists but they're all miscellaneous I
  • 16:11
    have some I've some stuff I know I
  • 16:12
    figured I owed it up yeah so I backed
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    off okay ah there's a couple of things I
  • 16:18
    want to play let's play this Rick whilst
  • 16:20
    this is Rick Wilson on MSNBC whoa wait
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    now let's push that one away I'm gonna
  • 16:26
    bring that one back in Roker on Kelly
  • 16:29
    when I could talk about Kelly we're
  • 16:30
    talking about seoc well actually let's
  • 16:32
    start with it with the rap on seoc from
  • 16:34
    CBS so let's go to the CBS rap pipe
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    bombs delivered and discovered across
  • 16:39
    the country 56 year-old Caesar seoc is
  • 16:42
    in custody tonight facing federal
  • 16:44
    charges that include illegal mailing of
  • 16:46
    explosives and threatening a former
  • 16:48
    president he could get up to 48 years in
  • 16:50
    prison seoc is accused of mailing
  • 16:53
    homemade bombs to critics of President
  • 16:55
    Trump in prominent Democrats including
  • 16:57
    former President Obama and former
  • 16:59
    Secretary of State Clinton among others
  • 17:01
    a fingerprint and a cell phone signal
  • 17:04
    led to the suspect who was openly an
  • 17:07
    aggressively threatened Democrats online
  • 17:09
    seoc has a long rap sheet and has been
  • 17:12
    an outspoken supporter of President
  • 17:13
    Trump Manuel Bojorquez begins our
  • 17:16
    coverage in Florida yes Trump Trump yeah
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    so the bridge they focus on there was a
  • 17:21
    couple things in there I thought were
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    odd I mean they bring it up a little bit
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    in the story but I'll alert you to this
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    the guy has got his truck with his
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    dubious stickers there's covered with
  • 17:33
    stickers he's got no stickers on his
  • 17:34
    truck they're all inside the windows and
  • 17:37
    their vinyl and they're pushed against
  • 17:40
    the window the kind of pressed up
  • 17:41
    against window the kind of pressed up
  • 17:42
    window many more like creations yeah a
  • 17:44
    lot of them say CNN sucks is one of the
  • 17:47
    main things yeah and everybody likes
  • 17:49
    talking about that especially look at
  • 17:54
    this guy CNN say this is the kind of
  • 17:56
    people to think we suck that's doing an
  • 17:58
    association with Trump Trump think CNN
  • 18:00
    sucks this crazy guy thinks he sucks hey
  • 18:04
    Trump's crazy so let's listen to the
  • 18:07
    rest of this guy number two I guess
  • 18:10
    grainy surveillance footage captured the
  • 18:13
    moment federal agents set off a loud
  • 18:14
    blast to take down Cesar seoc in
  • 18:17
    Plantation Florida early this morning
  • 18:19
    agents say they set off a loud blast is
  • 18:24
    what they said right I thought I'd heard
  • 18:26
    any reporting on any blasts this is the
  • 18:28
    first I'm hearing of it well then his
  • 18:31
    own report when they talked to some
  • 18:32
    people who witnessed the whole thing
  • 18:34
    because he's in he's in an autozone they
  • 18:36
    never can explain why and then he comes
  • 18:39
    out and gets in his truck for some R I
  • 18:41
    don't know what he was doing there uh
  • 18:42
    and the witnesses that watch this don't
  • 18:45
    talk about this little explosion either
  • 18:47
    I I didn't know about the explosion
  • 18:49
    haven't heard about the explosion this
  • 18:51
    is completely new to me I think this was
  • 18:54
    just put in to excite the listener hmm I
  • 18:57
    honestly believe this was put in to
  • 18:59
    excite the listener because these bombs
  • 19:00
    none of them exploded cuz they were
  • 19:03
    probably one of them was supposedly
  • 19:04
    filled with sulfur which you couldn't
  • 19:06
    make explored unless you mix it with all
  • 19:08
    kinds of things
  • 19:11
    and I think the lack of an explosion has
  • 19:14
    kind of drained the story of its drama
  • 19:17
    and so I think they just threw that in
  • 19:19
    that's very odd
  • 19:21
    very I don't grainy surveillance footage
  • 19:26
    captured them okay wait maybe it was a
  • 19:28
    flashbang maybe that's what it was no
  • 19:31
    but there was no witnesses that saw a
  • 19:32
    flashbang well this guy need one hold on
  • 19:35
    a second he's in the Auto Zone I don't
  • 19:38
    know stop stop stop for one second I
  • 19:42
    don't know if he was in the Auto Zone I
  • 19:45
    don't know anything all I've seen was a
  • 19:46
    man no I do I've been following this
  • 19:49
    part of it he was in the Auto Zone I'm
  • 19:52
    just saying there's a lot of
  • 19:53
    misinformation in the FATA see this is
  • 19:55
    absolutely true but the way the story is
  • 19:57
    the way the narrative of those all right
  • 19:59
    in the Auto Zone okay they just grabbed
  • 20:02
    him when he came out and according to
  • 20:04
    this witness he was sedate he says hey
  • 20:06
    okay yeah I know I expected to get
  • 20:08
    caught he was very didn't struggle so
  • 20:10
    there was no reason to do a flashbang
  • 20:13
    and you're not gonna do it in an auto
  • 20:14
    zone with all those oil products in
  • 20:15
    there good point catch the place on fire
  • 20:17
    I don't think so and you're not gonna do
  • 20:19
    it outside when the guys already given
  • 20:21
    up so if you listen to the whole thing
  • 20:22
    this is different beginning in here it
  • 20:25
    makes no sense what they're telling us
  • 20:27
    yeah grainy surveillance footage
  • 20:29
    captured the moment federal agents set
  • 20:31
    off a loud blast to take down Cesar seoc
  • 20:34
    in Plantation Florida early this morning
  • 20:36
    agents say a cell phone signal led them
  • 20:39
    outside to this Auto Zone where dozens
  • 20:41
    of law enforcement agents surrounded him
  • 20:43
    near his white van
  • 20:44
    Tom Fiore works across the street as all
  • 20:47
    the arrests go down his demeanor what
  • 20:50
    you saw when he was arrested was almost
  • 20:52
    I knew they were coming yeah he it
  • 20:54
    almost said that he had the look of okay
  • 20:56
    well you know what I'm done I surrender
  • 20:58
    I'm y'all got me
  • 21:00
    officials drove the van with a tarp
  • 21:02
    covering it to an FBI field office but
  • 21:05
    had to stop after the tarp blew off
  • 21:07
    investigators say a trail of DNA
  • 21:10
    evidence left on the packages steered
  • 21:12
    them towards seoc FBI director
  • 21:14
    Christopher Rea they uncovered a latent
  • 21:16
    fingerprint from one of the envelopes
  • 21:18
    containing an IEE D we have confirmed
  • 21:21
    this fingerprint is that of Caesar Seiya
  • 21:25
    according to a newly filed complaint
  • 21:28
    investigators say packages sent to
  • 21:30
    billionaire George Soros President
  • 21:32
    Barack Obama former CIA director John
  • 21:34
    Brennan and congresswoman Maxine Waters
  • 21:36
    included their photos with red X's
  • 21:39
    through them though we're still
  • 21:40
    analyzing the devices in our laboratory
  • 21:44
    these are not hoax devices yeah I really
  • 21:49
    like that little addition and there was
  • 21:51
    a lot of this and I'm gonna talk about
  • 21:54
    the affidavit from the FBI in a moment
  • 21:56
    there were all it was all kinds of very
  • 21:58
    important messaging going on here so
  • 22:00
    things were and I want to mention this
  • 22:02
    that you stopped this which was good the
  • 22:04
    the storyline as he's portraying it on
  • 22:08
    CBS he says and I watch this it has
  • 22:12
    nothing to do with the story it has
  • 22:14
    nothing to do with anything and they
  • 22:16
    throw in this detail that they had to
  • 22:18
    stop towing that just the truck because
  • 22:22
    the tarp blew off and then they have a
  • 22:24
    visual of this oh yeah what does that
  • 22:27
    got to do with anything that was well
  • 22:30
    just letting everybody know that we
  • 22:32
    wanted to have a nice close-up shot of
  • 22:34
    the crazy stickers we did our job I
  • 22:37
    guess says through them I just found it
  • 22:42
    to be very peculiar just throwing that
  • 22:43
    detail and we're still analyzing the
  • 22:45
    devices in our laboratory these are not
  • 22:48
    hoax devices and we're still examining
  • 22:51
    but they're not hoaxes the arrest comes
  • 22:55
    after law enforcement in Florida New
  • 22:57
    York and California intercepted four
  • 22:59
    additional packages today Democratic New
  • 23:02
    Jersey senator Cory Booker former
  • 23:04
    Director of National Intelligence James
  • 23:06
    clapper Democratic senator Kamala Harris
  • 23:08
    and billionaire donor Tom Steyer became
  • 23:11
    the latest targets at the White House
  • 23:13
    President latest targets at the White House
  • 23:13
    I'm praised the quick arrest these
  • 23:16
    terrorizing acts are despicable and have
  • 23:18
    no place in our country at least 13 male
  • 23:23
    bomb packages were sent the first device
  • 23:25
    was delivered on Monday to the home of
  • 23:27
    billionaire George Soros investigators
  • 23:29
    say all of the devices were similar all
  • 23:32
    of the intended targets have been vocal
  • 23:34
    critics of the President
  • 23:35
    so Manny you're now at this autozone
  • 23:38
    store where the arrest was made
  • 23:39
    implantation any idea what he was doing
  • 23:42
    in that parking lot well Jeff at this
  • 23:44
    point there is no indication that he was
  • 23:46
    an employee of the Auto Zone earlier we
  • 23:49
    did see FBI agents in there trying to
  • 23:52
    get more information but so far they've
  • 23:54
    not revealed why they believe he was
  • 23:56
    here in the first place
  • 23:58
    now I wa I watched very briefly i watch
  • 24:02
    MSNBC who was not read if this was some
  • 24:06
    kind of setup was not and obviously it
  • 24:09
    looks like it could be just because the
  • 24:11
    fact that nothing exploded and there's
  • 24:12
    lots of things wrong and we're talking
  • 24:13
    through them but MSNBC is not a part of
  • 24:16
    this or NBC this is Chuck Todd this
  • 24:19
    feels like a spot I have this fear that
  • 24:22
    it could be some Russian operation to in
  • 24:24
    a design to do what's happening more of
  • 24:28
    this very strange moment yes Chuck Todd
  • 24:37
    didn't get any memo but CNN which I
  • 24:40
    quickly switched to CNN they really had
  • 24:44
    some interesting things to say this was
  • 24:46
    Tanika at 11:00 a.m. Eastern Time and
  • 24:49
    this one I forget her name
  • 24:53
    think it's Casey they are in a case if
  • 24:55
    she didn't doesn't have to show Casey
  • 24:56
    and DC Casey something or other she's on
  • 24:58
    air she gets a lot of big scoops starts
  • 25:01
    off with some reporter and he comes in
  • 25:04
    and he's talking about all the things he
  • 25:06
    already knew what what do we have what
  • 25:08
    is the very latest on this man we don't
  • 25:10
    know who he is we really don't know
  • 25:11
    anything about him here's the bottom
  • 25:13
    line this was really early on so we did
  • 25:16
    not know his name since last night I
  • 25:18
    would say early last evening we had
  • 25:21
    heard that there was significant
  • 25:22
    progress had been made and that they
  • 25:24
    believed they had identified some
  • 25:27
    who is responsible for this at least
  • 25:29
    that's their suspicion was last night
  • 25:31
    that is the authorities they've been
  • 25:32
    doing a lot of work in Florida the last
  • 25:34
    24 hours
  • 25:35
    certainly once they discovered the
  • 25:37
    sorting facility where some of these
  • 25:39
    packages came through and it was during
  • 25:41
    that time they discovered what they
  • 25:44
    believe could be a person of interest a
  • 25:47
    person who could be responsible and they
  • 25:49
    worked off of that we know that there is
  • 25:51
    forensic evidence linking him or at
  • 25:54
    least they believe what we don't know if
  • 25:55
    it to him or her I should say sorry you
  • 26:00
    weren't supposed to say him just was a
  • 26:02
    person of interest so they had all this
  • 26:04
    information before the FBI had said
  • 26:07
    anything before his name was known do
  • 26:11
    you remember last show I played a clip
  • 26:14
    that was I think it was Fran the yes yes
  • 26:18
    spook or friend yeah or it was either
  • 26:20
    her or somebody else who said on the
  • 26:22
    show oh they're gonna catch this guy
  • 26:24
    right away well we had an argument I
  • 26:26
    said no way and you said you think
  • 26:28
    they're gonna get him right away and
  • 26:29
    then I said it'll probably be some some
  • 26:31
    Magga Trump moron well we knew that was
  • 26:34
    gonna be the case but I noticed this bed
  • 26:37
    the reason I had that comes because this
  • 26:39
    is they're gonna I thought it was
  • 26:40
    peculiar cuz I've never heard this
  • 26:42
    before that they're gonna get him right
  • 26:44
    away and I have a back up clip on that
  • 26:46
    oh this makes me wonder I think you you
  • 26:48
    might be onto something here what this
  • 26:49
    guy was they knew this guy right before
  • 26:52
    he did anything it was like it was part
  • 26:54
    of a scheme or who knows well let's
  • 26:56
    finish this one out then where I want to
  • 26:57
    see we can revisit with you since
  • 26:59
    linking him or at least they believe oh
  • 27:01
    we don't know that to him or her so this
  • 27:03
    forensic the the forensic evidence he
  • 27:05
    already knew there was forensic evidence
  • 27:06
    linking him hit him hard say there is
  • 27:09
    forensic evidence that is linking this
  • 27:11
    person there may be images that yes a
  • 27:15
    lot of information images that roam at
  • 27:18
    Trump rallies we got images and let's
  • 27:20
    just say and I'll just tell you in
  • 27:22
    general what happens in these kinds of
  • 27:23
    cases when the FBI has someone that they
  • 27:26
    believe may be suspected in a crime they
  • 27:30
    do surveillance they what they call they
  • 27:32
    sit on a person they conduct
  • 27:33
    surveillance we know that there were
  • 27:35
    surveillance there was ongoing
  • 27:36
    surveillance really though CNN
  • 27:38
    new the surveillance that we're closing
  • 27:40
    in on him the media news of a person you
  • 27:43
    know again we don't yet exactly know
  • 27:45
    where this person was arrested but it
  • 27:47
    this is all sort of started in the last
  • 27:49
    24 hours and it's probably going to be
  • 27:51
    several things but you know I suspect
  • 27:53
    there's going to be forensic evidence
  • 27:54
    that ultimately linked this person and
  • 27:57
    also I think they were just waiting to
  • 27:58
    have probable cause to go ahead and make
  • 28:01
    this arrest okay now I have to go to the
  • 28:04
    affidavit this is one of my favorite
  • 28:06
    things to do especially in a six-week
  • 28:08
    psycho situation and I'll just reiterate
  • 28:10
    for people don't know what that is
  • 28:11
    we discovered a long time ago it had
  • 28:13
    stopped for several years we were
  • 28:16
    briefed by an insider that the FBI and
  • 28:18
    this is before the election the FBI
  • 28:20
    needs to keep its budget show its
  • 28:22
    relevance and every six weeks they would
  • 28:24
    find some Patsy who they they literally
  • 28:27
    would describe in the affidavit and
  • 28:29
    official documents how they gave him a
  • 28:30
    phony detonator
  • 28:32
    you know guys were working with him to
  • 28:34
    try and get him to buy some phony
  • 28:35
    baloney bombs we'll rent the van for you
  • 28:38
    and then when the guy goes to push the
  • 28:40
    button then they swoop in like wow we
  • 28:42
    got another homegrown terrorist and
  • 28:43
    that's the six week cycle and I want to
  • 28:47
    mention a couple other things there is a
  • 28:48
    if you listen carefully the oldest
  • 28:50
    reports there is a discussion that's
  • 28:52
    underlying this about homegrown
  • 28:55
    terrorism and how we don't have any
  • 28:57
    specific laws about domestic terrorism
  • 29:01
    and we have to kind of you have to kind
  • 29:03
    of jiggle the handle to get these guys
  • 29:06
    to put away the way they should be put
  • 29:08
    away they're trying to pass a law just
  • 29:11
    like the way they go with gun control
  • 29:12
    then you want to pass a domestic
  • 29:14
    terrorism law and I want people to keep
  • 29:16
    an eye out for that cuz you're gonna see
  • 29:17
    it so I'm very used to reading this kind
  • 29:21
    of stuff in an affidavit and the one so
  • 29:24
    far I've only seen one from and the
  • 29:29
    FBI's Joint Terrorism Task Force you
  • 29:32
    know it's always like I Special Agent I
  • 29:34
    this is what I what I witnessed and what
  • 29:36
    I saw and this this whole thing
  • 29:39
    he's like a press release and if there's
  • 29:41
    some things in here that I've never seen
  • 29:42
    in one of these affidavits before so
  • 29:45
    they have the counts that's what it's
  • 29:48
    docked can't want interstate
  • 29:49
    transportation of an explosive
  • 29:51
    which you know then there's the legal
  • 29:52
    definition of that count to illegal
  • 29:55
    mainly of an explosive count three
  • 29:56
    threats against former presidents in
  • 29:58
    certain other persons which doesn't
  • 30:01
    explain actually what he did but it
  • 30:03
    gives you kind of the definition of each
  • 30:05
    one as you can understand and count for
  • 30:07
    threatening interstate communications
  • 30:09
    assaulting federal officers this is
  • 30:12
    count five in or about October there's
  • 30:15
    also no specific date it's all just in
  • 30:17
    or about October no I don't know why
  • 30:20
    they didn't mention the date
  • 30:22
    specifically but there's no he had to
  • 30:23
    think pre-written it sounds a bit like
  • 30:26
    it in the Southern District of New York
  • 30:27
    you know anyway they say presidents with
  • 30:29
    it plural II have it der former
  • 30:34
    presidents and certain other persons
  • 30:36
    former presidents yes presidents so what
  • 30:41
    I noted that cuz I have a point to make
  • 30:43
    about that the salting federal officers
  • 30:46
    now I'm a special agent with the FBI a
  • 30:49
    member of FBI's new york-based join the
  • 30:51
    JTTF I've been personally involved in
  • 30:53
    the investigation this matter this
  • 30:54
    affidavit is based on part of my
  • 30:55
    conversations with law enforcement
  • 30:57
    agents other people in my examination of
  • 30:59
    reports and records because this
  • 31:01
    affidavit is being submitted for the
  • 31:02
    limited purpose of establishing probable
  • 31:04
    cause which is exactly what we heard CNN
  • 31:07
    say before this thing was out or before
  • 31:09
    the public had it a does not include all
  • 31:12
    of the facts the content that I have
  • 31:14
    learned during the course of my
  • 31:15
    investigation were the contents of
  • 31:16
    documents and action statements and
  • 31:18
    conversation of others the report here
  • 31:19
    and there bubble okay and then he gives
  • 31:21
    a little overview and what's interesting
  • 31:24
    is really this press release type level
  • 31:27
    of writing during the course of October
  • 31:30
    2018 as further detailed says our audit
  • 31:34
    Terry seoc the defendant mailed
  • 31:36
    approximately 13 IDs through u.s. mail
  • 31:39
    to certain current and former US
  • 31:41
    government officials politicians and
  • 31:43
    others including mailings across state
  • 31:44
    lines the intended targets of the
  • 31:46
    defendants IEDs
  • 31:49
    interesting defendants IEDs are they
  • 31:52
    defendants defendants IEDs are they
  • 31:54
    catch that the first time naughty Mensa
  • 31:56
    know that's that's a possessive of the
  • 31:57
    defense I'd the defendants IDs yes
  • 31:59
    included former President Barack Obama
  • 32:01
    former vice president Joseph Biden
  • 32:02
    former Secretary of State former senator
  • 32:05
    former first lady in 2016 presidential
  • 32:07
    candidate Hillary Clinton I mean what is
  • 32:11
    that normal I've never seen this done in
  • 32:14
    an affidavit so former vice president
  • 32:17
    they put her whole bio yes former
  • 32:19
    Secretary of State former senator former
  • 32:21
    first lady and 2016 presidential
  • 32:23
    candidate Hillary Clinton former law
  • 32:27
    gets better former attorney General Eric
  • 32:28
    Holder Congress person Maxine Waters
  • 32:32
    Senator Cory Booker former director of
  • 32:34
    the Central Intelligence Agency John
  • 32:36
    Brennan former Director of National
  • 32:37
    Intelligence James clapper
  • 32:39
    philanthropist and billionaire George
  • 32:41
    Soros this is this is not typical that
  • 32:44
    they put this descriptor in there an
  • 32:46
    actor and director Robert DeNiro this is
  • 32:50
    very and this comes back multiple times
  • 32:52
    and then they end that so this thing and
  • 32:54
    maybe just to Pat it the next paragraph
  • 32:57
    is as discussed below based on initial
  • 33:01
    analysis from the FBI laboratory in
  • 33:02
    Quantico Virginia Canobie Award winning
  • 33:04
    actor that they missed it they should
  • 33:06
    have said that Anna maybe neighbor wait
  • 33:08
    wait it may actually be in there as
  • 33:12
    discussed below based on initial
  • 33:13
    analysis from the FBI laboratory in
  • 33:15
    Quantico Virginia a latent fingerprint
  • 33:17
    which means it was not something you see
  • 33:19
    immediately he dusted as an oily residue
  • 33:21
    was detected on one of the envelopes
  • 33:23
    containing an ie D that was sent to
  • 33:25
    congressperson waters and this
  • 33:28
    fingerprint was identified to Caesar ala
  • 33:30
    Terry SIA the defendant in addition
  • 33:32
    there's a possible DNA association
  • 33:34
    between a sample collected from a piece
  • 33:36
    of the ie D inside two of the envelopes
  • 33:39
    containing IEDs and a sample previously
  • 33:41
    collected from seoc and he does say
  • 33:45
    based on my conversations with other law
  • 33:47
    enforcement officers and my training and
  • 33:49
    experience I understand that energetic
  • 33:51
    material to include include explosive
  • 33:54
    material outshoot that's the that's not
  • 33:56
    the one I wanted then he says something
  • 33:58
    like it you know this until the lab says
  • 34:01
    it's 100% match it's
  • 34:03
    circumstantial evidence but enough for
  • 34:06
    probable cause now now we go to the the
  • 34:09
    and this is the the bulk of this
  • 34:13
    affidavit is who received a bomb
  • 34:17
    and if you look at the descriptions
  • 34:20
    let's see we have the Obama package
  • 34:24
    nothing special there but then Joseph
  • 34:28
    Biden served as vice president of the
  • 34:30
    United States from 2009 to 2017 under
  • 34:32
    President Obama from approximately 1973
  • 34:35
    to 2009 Vice President Biden was a
  • 34:37
    member of the US Senate former Vice
  • 34:39
    President Biden resides at an address in
  • 34:41
    Wilmington Delaware
  • 34:42
    I mean why I've never seen this and for
  • 34:45
    everyone mean why I've never seen this and for
  • 34:46
    Maxine Waters served as members the US
  • 34:47
    House of Representatives in is there to
  • 34:49
    buy on everybody very very odd so there
  • 34:54
    is nothing in here other than some BIOS
  • 34:57
    and we have a fingerprint
  • 35:01
    and the rest is just more bios of people
  • 35:04
    and a little bit about the package not
  • 35:07
    even really the contents other than you
  • 35:09
    know yeah I did they've had some
  • 35:10
    incendiary stuff in it and that's it but
  • 35:14
    at the end of this affidavit hello media
  • 35:18
    based on my review of publicly available
  • 35:20
    information on Twitter I know that there
  • 35:22
    is an account with usernames say
  • 35:24
    solitaire that contains the following
  • 35:26
    among other things a various post with
  • 35:29
    misspellings consistent with the
  • 35:30
    packages including Hillary rather than
  • 35:32
    Hillary with one L rather than Hillary
  • 35:34
    with two L's Schulz were the teeth as
  • 35:37
    well missing the C in Schultz and then
  • 35:41
    again pointing out this Twitter account
  • 35:44
    to the to the guys Twitter which was up
  • 35:47
    for the whole day usually it's taken
  • 35:51
    down immediately people were on it right
  • 35:53
    away we got all these pictures of him at
  • 35:55
    Magga rallies and yeah it's like this
  • 35:58
    was a press release this was not an
  • 36:00
    affidavit as I've learned to see it from
  • 36:03
    the FBI
  • 36:07
    and it's just pointing to the Twitter
  • 36:09
    account which clearly shows the guy was
  • 36:13
    a Trump fan if it's the same guy
  • 36:14
    whatever who knows yeah in fact you
  • 36:17
    could probably find if there's
  • 36:19
    photoshopped even but CNN of course CNN
  • 36:24
    had all the scoops because CNN sucks
  • 36:26
    they were on top of it they were the
  • 36:28
    ones that had the inside information the
  • 36:30
    night before they already knew all this
  • 36:31
    was happening very interesting so
  • 36:35
    they have say SARS boss now this is one
  • 36:40
    of the most unbelievable stories you
  • 36:42
    will ever hear so apparently he worked
  • 36:44
    at a restaurant had you heard this yet
  • 36:46
    I'm all ears he worked heard a lot but I
  • 36:50
    had heard about him his restaurant he
  • 36:52
    worked at a restaurant and but not in
  • 36:54
    the restaurant he was a deliverer so he
  • 36:56
    delivered food in his van in the crazy
  • 36:59
    Maggie van and his lesbian boss is Han
  • 37:03
    CNN and this is one of the most and
  • 37:05
    again with KC one of the most
  • 37:07
    unbelievable interviews I've heard in a
  • 37:09
    circumstance like this I was shocked I
  • 37:12
    couldn't believe it my hair stood up I
  • 37:14
    knew he had issues he really was not he
  • 37:22
    definitely beat to the beat of his own
  • 37:25
    drum he was inside a anti black
  • 37:29
    anti-jewish you name it everybody that
  • 37:33
    really wasn't white and wasn't a white
  • 37:35
    supremacist didn't belong in the world
  • 37:37
    that's what he used to say to me all the
  • 37:39
    time but I really was shell-shocked
  • 37:41
    when I found out it was him I just that
  • 37:45
    alone he hated gays blacks Jews and I
  • 37:48
    was so surprised something happened
  • 37:50
    because as far as an employee he was on
  • 37:54
    time he was cordial he was articulate I
  • 37:57
    never had any problems with him there
  • 38:00
    was no theft my customers liked him but
  • 38:04
    it was just his political views that
  • 38:06
    scared me basically he was a model
  • 38:11
    employee that's what I can't understand
  • 38:13
    I'm sitting here saying myself what
  • 38:15
    happened sitting here saying myself what
  • 38:16
    she keeps saying a model employee even
  • 38:19
    though he hated Jews blacks anti-gay and
  • 38:21
    now she's going to come out and say that
  • 38:23
    she's lesbian but it almost sounds like
  • 38:27
    two different people I mean you're
  • 38:29
    talking about an employee who shows up
  • 38:30
    on time who was as you said cordial but
  • 38:33
    he had issues I mean when you talk about
  • 38:35
    the things that he's spouting clearly he
  • 38:38
    had issues was he violent not at all
  • 38:40
    there was no violence at all I mean he
  • 38:42
    made it a point he knew I was a lesbian
  • 38:44
    in a very proud lesbian
  • 38:46
    and he made it a point by the way I
  • 38:48
    never I didn't catch that these clips
  • 38:49
    are pretty new for me too
  • 38:51
    she says here I was a lesbian and a very
  • 38:53
    proud lesbian that's very strange for
  • 38:55
    someone who's gay to say it that way I
  • 38:56
    was a lesbian in a very proud lesbian
  • 38:58
    and he made it a point to tell me that
  • 39:02
    I've never heard any of my gay friend
  • 39:05
    scripted point you know I was a lesbian
  • 39:14
    in a very proud lesbian and it was like
  • 39:17
    you know I looked at the script I see
  • 39:19
    I'm gonna kill who my characters are
  • 39:20
    lesbian yes okay very proud lesbian
  • 39:22
    that's what I was yes I know my
  • 39:23
    character you're right
  • 39:24
    I mean I hate to do this because it's
  • 39:26
    such a such a tragic just events all
  • 39:28
    around us right now but come on very
  • 39:31
    proud lesbian and she made it a point to
  • 39:34
    tell me that you know God had made a
  • 39:37
    mistake with me and that I should burn
  • 39:39
    in hell but yeah great a great friend
  • 39:42
    great great great great employee
  • 39:47
    absolutely absolutely absolutely but I'm
  • 39:53
    my mother brought me up to always you
  • 39:55
    know believe the best in people you know
  • 39:57
    and turn the other cheek and I've had
  • 39:59
    people not like me because I've been gay
  • 40:00
    into me I didn't have to go home with
  • 40:03
    him he was not a friend of mine I just
  • 40:05
    hired him he did his job and that's how
  • 40:07
    I looked at it but as far as an employee
  • 40:10
    goes he really was wonderful I didn't i
  • 40:13
    I'm just I wish I had more like him it's
  • 40:15
    not a bad aspect so now let's talk about
  • 40:18
    the van remember he wants all lesbians
  • 40:21
    to burn in hell God made her wrong burn
  • 40:23
    in hell but you know he's a good guy
  • 40:25
    otherwise is fine but the van you know
  • 40:28
    the did he live in the van every see the
  • 40:30
    guy lived in the van what was in the van
  • 40:31
    stopped you before I want you to go
  • 40:33
    there but I got to read something from
  • 40:34
    the Toronto Star which had a long
  • 40:36
    article on this guy cuz cuz of this
  • 40:38
    notion that he was a white nationalist
  • 40:40
    and not white nationalist but a white
  • 40:42
    supremacist oh yeah which is different
  • 40:44
    than white nationalist no mum which is
  • 40:47
    different than nationalist I just want
  • 40:48
    to get that out of the way
  • 40:49
    in recent months ash behavior changed
  • 40:52
    his post took on a darker more obsessive
  • 40:53
    tone used to pose about food and stuff
  • 40:56
    who's who's saying this the Toronto Star
  • 40:58
    yeah but who is
  • 40:59
    who's being quoted this is not a quote
  • 41:01
    this is the article oh this is actually
  • 41:04
    from the New York Times okay never mind
  • 41:06
    not toast our New York title ruse the
  • 41:09
    New York Times aha even though nurse oh
  • 41:11
    yeah how am I thinking I should have
  • 41:13
    looked at that everybody yeah New York
  • 41:15
    Times our outlet his poster kind of
  • 41:18
    darker more obsessive tone often
  • 41:19
    accompanied by threats of violence or
  • 41:21
    gory images of bloody animal carcasses
  • 41:23
    no longer mistakable as an everyday
  • 41:25
    internet partisan he posted repeatedly
  • 41:28
    so here's where they start to screw up
  • 41:30
    their stories because they can't keep it
  • 41:31
    straight he used to post repeatedly
  • 41:34
    about the Unconquered Seminoles of
  • 41:37
    reference to the tire to the tribe that
  • 41:39
    he appears to have adopted it also
  • 41:42
    appeared on his van and on Twitter now
  • 41:45
    how are you a white supremacist
  • 41:48
    and your idea you had adopted the
  • 41:50
    Seminoles an Indian tribe as your as you
  • 41:53
    you're supposed to now you're an Indian
  • 41:55
    he just identified as a white
  • 41:57
    supremacist I know John it gets worse
  • 42:04
    he gets much let's just a couple things
  • 42:07
    one we know that he was he was
  • 42:09
    apparently living in the van we don't
  • 42:12
    know exactly was in the van now we know
  • 42:14
    that he hated Jews lesbians gays blacks
  • 42:17
    everything white supremacists it was a
  • 42:20
    great worker but he was a very very very
  • 42:23
    good worker and he also had a criminal
  • 42:25
    record we were told this immediately
  • 42:27
    correct he had a criminal record the law
  • 42:29
    enforcement know how hard to because
  • 42:32
    it's been suppressed but in the
  • 42:35
    newsletter there was a post from if you
  • 42:39
    do give you a subscriber to one of those
  • 42:41
    you know what's the background check one
  • 42:43
    of those background checks yes the guy
  • 42:45
    shows up as living in Minnesota and he's
  • 42:48
    a petty criminal drug dealer it doesn't
  • 42:50
    matter for me that's one thing is
  • 42:52
    important for this next clip he had a
  • 42:54
    record I think we can safely say he had
  • 42:57
    a record maybe petty crime maybe for
  • 42:59
    threatening bombs it's all very unclear
  • 43:02
    we're not exactly sure that's how it
  • 43:03
    goes but now let's go back to his boss
  • 43:05
    who was a lesbian and a proud one and
  • 43:08
    the van the van was frightening hasn't
  • 43:15
    been so much attention on his van today
  • 43:17
    did he bring that very same van with
  • 43:20
    those very same stickers to work
  • 43:22
    absolutely he didn't that's why I hired
  • 43:24
    him to drive at night I couldn't have
  • 43:26
    him driving in the daytime I had him
  • 43:29
    driving at night he parked the van
  • 43:31
    around the corner I never got any
  • 43:34
    complaints from any of the customers if
  • 43:35
    I did he would have been fired I can't
  • 43:37
    and and I and this is what people seem
  • 43:39
    not to understand I can't fire somebody
  • 43:41
    because of their political view
  • 43:43
    yeah hold on a second first of all you
  • 43:46
    in Florida yes you can that will as far
  • 43:49
    as I know in Florida of course you can
  • 43:51
    fire somebody for anything and I think
  • 43:54
    his political view is a little different
  • 43:56
    than saying all lesbians should burn in
  • 43:58
    hell saying all lesbians should burn in
  • 44:00
    but okay it's interpretation whether
  • 44:02
    they don't like me or they don't like a
  • 44:03
    black person or a gay person I can't do
  • 44:05
    that I can't
  • 44:09
    yeah just because it's passing through
  • 44:13
    my brain isn't listening this the first
  • 44:14
    time and I'm gonna stick with the
  • 44:16
    scripted concept yep this is scripted
  • 44:19
    from a California source because because
  • 44:24
    of what you just said you can't fire
  • 44:27
    people like that of course it's a social
  • 44:30
    justice warrior ups just because you
  • 44:32
    don't like gays
  • 44:35
    so in California where this was scripted
  • 44:39
    just guess yes all those elements that
  • 44:42
    you just decried as BS in Florida in
  • 44:47
    California fact-check Falls yeah that's
  • 44:50
    right California okay well I like it and
  • 44:54
    keep the script in mind remember the
  • 44:55
    Vans scary van everything criminal
  • 44:58
    record they don't like a black person or
  • 45:00
    a gay person I can't do that I can't as
  • 45:03
    much as I'd like to I couldn't
  • 45:05
    but his van was freaky scary register I
  • 45:09
    actually was talking to my brother a few
  • 45:11
    minutes ago and I was telling him he was
  • 45:14
    driving me home one night because it was
  • 45:16
    raining and when I got in the van I just
  • 45:20
    remember looking is there any way I can
  • 45:22
    get out because they said he really
  • 45:25
    appreciated me as the general manager
  • 45:27
    liked me but hated me as being a lesbian
  • 45:30
    okay so let's just review as we continue
  • 45:33
    to go through she has him as an employee
  • 45:35
    I think she's a general man who doesn't
  • 45:37
    own the place but she can fire him she
  • 45:40
    or maybe the boss her boss said don't
  • 45:42
    fire him we don't know that he was hired
  • 45:44
    to deliver food in his van which was
  • 45:48
    freaky scary that if you're gonna have
  • 45:50
    someone delivering food from your
  • 45:52
    restaurant you might consider the
  • 45:54
    sanitary conditions of the van so I
  • 45:56
    always wanted to make sure if you have
  • 45:58
    offered me a ride that I could find a
  • 46:00
    way out of that van Deborah that's
  • 46:02
    actually what I wanted to ask you that
  • 46:04
    you've been inside that van can can you
  • 46:07
    describe what you saw inside the van had
  • 46:10
    a lot of McDonald's Taco Bell boxes a
  • 46:14
    lot of laundry hygienic Lee it was
  • 46:17
    filthy and that's why you let your food
  • 46:19
    be delivered in that van it was dirty it
  • 46:22
    was smelly there was beer bottles in
  • 46:25
    there vodka bottles in but he always
  • 46:29
    dressed the impeccably always matched I
  • 46:32
    don't mind nice cologne he always looked
  • 46:34
    great if he was delivering my food to me
  • 46:38
    I say hey come on in now get ready for
  • 46:40
    Katie Katie Casey to lead the
  • 46:44
    witness he always played the part very
  • 46:46
    well you see what she said played the
  • 46:52
    part very well he always played the part
  • 46:55
    very well and this is not because she's
  • 46:57
    saying he was an actor necessarily but
  • 47:00
    the truth always wants to come out you
  • 47:03
    know and she said he's always played the
  • 47:04
    part it was perfect he was delivering my
  • 47:06
    food to me I'd say hey come on in
  • 47:08
    he always played the part very well and
  • 47:10
    maybe that's just it he played the part
  • 47:12
    real well with you
  • 47:14
    was it your understanding he was living
  • 47:16
    in the van at the time when he worked
  • 47:17
    with you no he told me that his family
  • 47:20
    called on everyone told me he was living
  • 47:23
    in the van
  • 47:25
    is this your understanding
  • 47:28
    I had not had as I don't have a solid on
  • 47:32
    what he where his living because I also
  • 47:34
    heard they was living with his mother
  • 47:36
    yeah let's see there's more on this at
  • 47:38
    the time when he work with you know he
  • 47:40
    told me that his family well they were
  • 47:44
    from the Seminole Tribe and he had a
  • 47:47
    home on the reservation here and he also
  • 47:49
    had a home in Plantation and he was very
  • 47:52
    proud that he just got accepted into
  • 47:54
    driving like a hazmat okay okay stop now
  • 47:59
    the bullshit is too thick I know I don't
  • 48:03
    know much I'm just a disc jockey you
  • 48:05
    cannot be certified as a hazmat trucker
  • 48:09
    with a with a record
  • 48:14
    truckers in the audience I want them to
  • 48:16
    correct me if I'm wrong he was very
  • 48:17
    proud that's just stop about let's stop
  • 48:22
    there and reanalyze what she said she
  • 48:24
    said he said it doesn't mean any of it
  • 48:27
    was true he may just be one of these
  • 48:29
    guys who likes to bullshit about himself
  • 48:31
    it's true the reason why I bring it up
  • 48:33
    he's because you know George Webb he's
  • 48:36
    kind of like this intelligence guy he he
  • 48:39
    really started with Seth rich and he
  • 48:41
    does he's short like five to six minute
  • 48:43
    YouTube videos yeah I'm sure you've seen
  • 48:45
    him I have so he now he had a very
  • 48:49
    interesting theory which I just wanted
  • 48:51
    to highlight in this regard and his
  • 48:53
    theory is that the u.s. in particular
  • 48:56
    CIA is still running weapons for drugs
  • 48:59
    and that the Seminole and the best way
  • 49:04
    to what the best way to whitewash money
  • 49:07
    which kind of is an odd way takes us
  • 49:09
    somewhere else is through gambling
  • 49:12
    gambling is the way you launder money
  • 49:18
    you know you just spent it in the casino
  • 49:20
    and you know you you get you lose some
  • 49:22
    so you're gonna you break even even or
  • 49:24
    you break even which by the way is
  • 49:26
    exactly you know who does that sound
  • 49:27
    like when you think about it if you're
  • 49:29
    an arms dealer and you're in the casino
  • 49:31
    with a lot of money you know okay so
  • 49:34
    that would be the the Vegas shooter any
  • 49:37
    Matic so the in 2014
  • 49:40
    paddock exactly in 2014 Florida gave the
  • 49:44
    gaming license all the gaming licenses
  • 49:45
    to the Seminole Indians and which Trump
  • 49:49
    also was he tweeted about that back in
  • 49:51
    2014 of course he was interested in that
  • 49:53
    maybe for his own money laundering
  • 49:55
    operation I don't know but what George
  • 49:58
    Webb asserts is that he thinks that the
  • 50:02
    the Seminole community there the with
  • 50:06
    the casinos is a laundering operation
  • 50:08
    for CIA money for guns and they have and
  • 50:11
    what they do is they get a whole bunch
  • 50:13
    of ex-cons and criminals and they kind
  • 50:15
    of you know co-opted him and these guys
  • 50:17
    know their patsies they'll do whatever
  • 50:18
    they want because at least they're not
  • 50:20
    in jail and they're usually not very
  • 50:21
    intelligent and Webb's assertion is that
  • 50:24
    he thinks this guy was was planted to do
  • 50:28
    this and that that he's being held up as
  • 50:31
    a patsy so the whole Seminole thing is
  • 50:33
    very interesting yeah especially the
  • 50:36
    supposed white supremacists now I have a
  • 50:40
    couple more like 26 I'm just gonna say
  • 50:44
    back to the script mm-hmm which sounds
  • 50:47
    more and more like to confuse things
  • 50:50
    this woman I'd like to look into her a
  • 50:52
    little bit oh yeah we don't have time
  • 50:55
    it's Deborah Kerr Guillen G u re g h IA
  • 51:00
    n i want to get to the leading to the
  • 51:03
    witness part but first a little bit more
  • 51:04
    about what was what she didn't mention
  • 51:06
    before now what was in the van
  • 51:08
    dirty laundry a bunch of bottles of
  • 51:12
    vodka and beer and it was a mess
  • 51:14
    now if there was something really spooky
  • 51:16
    and obvious would you have forgotten to
  • 51:18
    mention that or you'd or would you have
  • 51:20
    mentioned it first if there was
  • 51:21
    something really freaky like a a Gatling
  • 51:25
    gun let's say at home on the reservation
  • 51:28
    here and he also had a home in
  • 51:30
    plantation and he was very proud that he
  • 51:33
    just got accepted into driving like a
  • 51:36
    hazmat trucker going to the different
  • 51:38
    ports with biochemicals and this was he
  • 51:42
    was going to school in North Carolina
  • 51:43
    and he was right for all of that I saw
  • 51:46
    the Washington Post who told their
  • 51:48
    reporter that inside the van there were
  • 51:50
    puppets with their heads cut off and
  • 51:53
    mannequins with their heads cut off it's
  • 51:54
    with that mannequins and puppets in and
  • 51:58
    at nooses you know but that was on his
  • 52:00
    van also there was a flux plan there was
  • 52:03
    Nazi symbols oh I'm sorry I forgot to
  • 52:05
    mention that it was first thing I
  • 52:06
    thought of was the nasty Taco Bell on
  • 52:08
    McDonald's packaging forgot to mention
  • 52:11
    the nooses and the headless mannequins
  • 52:13
    sorry okay great Beatrice but but you
  • 52:18
    hear KC from CNN she basically said hey
  • 52:22
    you're forgetting the part about the
  • 52:24
    nooses it was in The Washington Post
  • 52:25
    could you please mention that oh yeah
  • 52:27
    yeah KKK guy and with all that stuff all
  • 52:34
    over your van going in and out of the
  • 52:36
    Seminole reservation I'm sure it's very
  • 52:38
    very air was amenable to that sure last
  • 52:41
    clip did he openly talk proudly about
  • 52:43
    did he call himself a white supremacist
  • 52:45
    did he openly talk about it see this is
  • 52:47
    leading the witness now now Casey's job
  • 52:49
    here in the last minute is to tie the
  • 52:52
    guy to Trump that's her job and she will
  • 52:55
    try hard did he openly talk proudly
  • 52:57
    about did he call himself a white
  • 52:59
    supremacist did he openly talk about it
  • 53:01
    yes he called himself a white
  • 53:02
    supremacist and he called himself a Nazi
  • 53:06
    supporter and
  • 53:08
    I mean if you look at his baby he loved
  • 53:11
    Hitler just grabbing for straws here you
  • 53:15
    see you see stickers of President Trump
  • 53:19
    vice president pence did he talk about
  • 53:21
    the president he talked about Obama and
  • 53:24
    Hillary Clinton that he studied attested
  • 53:26
    them oh wait a minute
  • 53:28
    wrong answer and that I would be on that
  • 53:30
    island that he blew up with them model
  • 53:33
    employee that he blew up with them model
  • 53:34
    so those two the only two and CNN
  • 53:37
    Pantheon as a matter of fact Rachel
  • 53:43
    Maddow Maddow and he talked about her
  • 53:46
    and she was one of the other lesbians
  • 53:47
    that was gonna go on the island with me
  • 53:49
    well now I'm starting to like the guy
  • 53:50
    you talk about where he got this from I
  • 53:52
    mean did he talk about it because he's
  • 53:54
    seen it he was seen during you know 2016
  • 53:56
    and he's been at rallies it rallies for
  • 54:01
    the president did he talk about where
  • 54:04
    his burning any chance could it possibly
  • 54:13
    be that maybe his burning hate this vile
  • 54:17
    hate he had inside of him for CNN came
  • 54:21
    from somewhere or of anyone else no he
  • 54:26
    just he just said that was bad cuz
  • 54:28
    people vetti labels were very weak and
  • 54:31
    that he would I think that he wanted to
  • 54:33
    purify society so in order to do that he
  • 54:35
    would have to get rid of the gays and
  • 54:37
    the lesbians and the transgenders and
  • 54:39
    the blacks and the Jews and whoever else
  • 54:42
    didn't follow his suit whoever else who
  • 54:44
    follow his policy and political views
  • 54:46
    but otherwise a great employee I can't
  • 54:49
    fire that guy just cuz me and Rachel are
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    gonna burn on the island of lesbians
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    along with Obama and Hillary great guy I
  • 54:58
    overlooked nooses it's okay
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    headless mannequins I was more concerned
  • 55:04
    with the sanitary condition so I'm sorry
  • 55:08
    yeah yeah you can get ik take yourself a
  • 55:10
    cup of the day while you're at it
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    no thank you
  • 55:12
    but yawning it's so good now I wouldn't
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    I'd be a little more hesitant if bombs
  • 55:20
    had gone off and people have been blown
  • 55:22
    up but no and the bombs were made of PVC
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    pipe I'm not going to discredit what you
  • 55:27
    can do with a PVC pipe we've all fooled
  • 55:29
    around with the fertilizer as kids you
  • 55:31
    know when we used to make flash paper
  • 55:34
    remember flash paper yeah you dip it in
  • 55:37
    the solution you dry it and then you
  • 55:38
    light it so you put a little bit in the
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    PVC pipe and you tie the ends down you
  • 55:45
    get it too thick to get something to go
  • 55:46
    bang and yeah you need a blasting cap or
  • 55:49
    something he didn't there's no evidence
  • 55:51
    of those no the whole thing and you keep
  • 55:54
    hearing about the different elements of
  • 55:56
    firecracker dust and and black powder
  • 55:59
    you hearing Sulphurs another one you've
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    heard of these bombs are no good they
  • 56:05
    weren't hoax devices there's a yep
  • 56:08
    because they existed there it is I see
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    it look at them yeah it's exactly what's
  • 56:12
    coming out yeah exactly but I want to
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    play a couple of clips which kind of
  • 56:18
    we're bugging what was bugging me
  • 56:20
    something I heard on the BBC but first
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    I'm gonna play well before we go there
  • 56:24
    let's let's get my CNN clip out of the
  • 56:28
    way which is sad talk on seeing a tapper
  • 56:31
    this is I found to be a funny clip this
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    was a little more this was later in the
  • 56:35
    cycle so the little more was known we're
  • 56:37
    back with the breaking news you're
  • 56:39
    looking at new video showing the suspect
  • 56:41
    Caesars seoc holding a sign that says
  • 56:44
    CNN sucks as well as a lot of other
  • 56:46
    nonsense in there he's at a trump rally
  • 56:47
    in February 2017 the F 56 year old
  • 56:52
    Florida resident and today was arrested
  • 56:54
    and charged with sending a series of
  • 56:56
    explosive devices 13 IIED s two
  • 56:59
    prominent critics of President Trump
  • 57:02
    this week seoc was well known to law
  • 57:04
    enforcement in Florida and has been
  • 57:05
    arrested at least eight times CNN's Rene
  • 57:08
    Marsh has been digging into his
  • 57:09
    background every day his Twitter account
  • 57:10
    is filled with attacks on a lot of the
  • 57:13
    same people he sent patented packages -
  • 57:15
    including CNN exactly I mean extremely
  • 57:18
    political social media account and to
  • 57:21
    your point Jake he has negative
  • 57:23
    tweets pretty much for every target that
  • 57:26
    was sent one of those packages we do
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    want I just want to say you know what's
  • 57:30
    gonna happen now I just want to point
  • 57:31
    this out and actually I see you have a
  • 57:34
    gab clips I don't want to I wouldn't
  • 57:35
    mind hearing that later what's going to
  • 57:37
    happen is everyone you're gonna be
  • 57:39
    clamped down on so fast for every little
  • 57:42
    misstep you make you're gonna make kik
  • 57:43
    you're gonna be purged from every single
  • 57:45
    social network it's going to go into
  • 57:47
    overdrive now I warn you some of these
  • 57:50
    tweets are highly offensive but we are
  • 57:52
    showing them simply because we want to
  • 57:54
    give you a sense of what we're learning
  • 57:55
    about the suspect so here are some of
  • 57:57
    his tweets he goes after former
  • 57:59
    President Obama posting a meme with
  • 58:01
    Obama's head on his wife's body a meme
  • 58:04
    of Hillary Clinton being arrested by the
  • 58:06
    President and Vice stuff we say on this
  • 58:10
    show could get us arrested from thanks
  • 58:12
    to this guy
  • 58:12
    I'm not kidding head on his wife's body
  • 58:17
    a meme of Hillary Clinton being arrested
  • 58:20
    by the president and the vice president
  • 58:22
    with the caption Law & Order that you
  • 58:24
    see there in the middle he even accuses
  • 58:26
    Democratic fundraiser George Soros of
  • 58:29
    working with Hitler I mean it goes on
  • 58:31
    and on but again were disputed as well
  • 58:38
    uses Democratic fundraiser George Soros
  • 58:42
    of working with Hitler goes on and on
  • 58:44
    but they should they should maybe listen
  • 58:46
    to the source himself about what he did
  • 58:48
    again CNN is tweeted as well you know
  • 58:52
    when you go through you you can see he
  • 58:54
    certainly does have a political leaning
  • 58:56
    the criminal complaint even points out
  • 58:58
    his use of social media and just a
  • 59:01
    couple of days after that package
  • 59:04
    suspicious package was discovered and
  • 59:06
    recovered from George sources house he
  • 59:10
    was also tweeting tweeting negative
  • 59:12
    tweets about Soros Obama and others you
  • 59:15
    know the more I think about it now that
  • 59:16
    we've we've put the the press release
  • 59:18
    I'm sorry I mean the the criminal
  • 59:20
    complaint the affidavit now that we've
  • 59:22
    put that next to the CNN clips it was
  • 59:25
    very I think it's very obvious this is
  • 59:26
    meant for more more reasons to purge
  • 59:31
    political speech on social networks
  • 59:34
    just you know if you say any of these
  • 59:36
    any of these this guy kind of ran the
  • 59:38
    gamut yeah right from Michelle Obama as
  • 59:42
    a tranny - yeah - George Soros worked
  • 59:46
    for Hitler now he's not very nuanced
  • 59:49
    what he's saying but all of these things
  • 59:51
    will now be for bohtan to even consider
  • 59:53
    posting anywhere I'm not saying you
  • 59:55
    should but you know the free that this
  • 59:58
    is a curtailment of free speech it seems
  • 59:59
    almost like a crystal knocked in a way
  • 1:00:02
    of free speech of the social networks
  • 1:00:06
    well I wouldn't go that far but it says
  • 1:00:08
    I think it's beginning of the end is
  • 1:00:11
    that that whole clip yeah oh sorry I
  • 1:00:14
    thought it was funnier than that let's
  • 1:00:15
    go to this club by Mark Warner they were
  • 1:00:18
    and this is group first back to the
  • 1:00:20
    presidents in plural Mark Warner is on
  • 1:00:23
    the morning show to talk about security
  • 1:00:26
    for the election it was Mark Warner mark
  • 1:00:28
    Warner's the guys on the Senate
  • 1:00:30
    Intelligence Committee he's the senator
  • 1:00:32
    from Virginia the governor's got the big
  • 1:00:35
    teeth doesn't sweat much and he's on
  • 1:00:44
    there and he's they're asking him about
  • 1:00:46
    one thing and he decides now I'm not
  • 1:00:49
    gonna talk about that I've actually I
  • 1:00:51
    don't have the whole long clip because
  • 1:00:53
    it eventually got that one woman worked
  • 1:00:57
    on this is CBS Morning Show with John
  • 1:01:00
    Dickerson Nora Noor actually got Harden
  • 1:01:05
    getting testy because I wouldn't address
  • 1:01:07
    the issues and he went off like this but
  • 1:01:09
    I want you to listen to this carefully
  • 1:01:10
    he is the vice chair of the Senate
  • 1:01:12
    Select Committee on Intelligence
  • 1:01:14
    senator good morning thank you so much
  • 1:01:15
    for joining us we've learned that the US
  • 1:01:17
    Cyber Command just recently launched an
  • 1:01:19
    operation to combat Russian interference
  • 1:01:21
    in our elections and this spreading of
  • 1:01:24
    misinformation that they're involved in
  • 1:01:25
    how effective do you think that
  • 1:01:27
    operation will be tomorrow I want to get
  • 1:01:30
    to election security but I want first
  • 1:01:31
    express some level of relief at this
  • 1:01:34
    point that's so far this act of terror
  • 1:01:37
    these bombs being sent around the
  • 1:01:39
    country have not caused any harm
  • 1:01:42
    personal harm yet I've been very
  • 1:01:45
    concerned about the president's tone not
  • 1:01:48
    being willing to call out and call up
  • 1:01:52
    for that matter the two former
  • 1:01:54
    presidents who were going to be victims
  • 1:01:56
    of this kind of attack and one of things
  • 1:01:58
    about this president is I don't wait a
  • 1:02:00
    minute moment the two moment you see
  • 1:02:03
    that again the victims of this
  • 1:02:07
    call out and call up for that matter the
  • 1:02:11
    two former presidents who were going to
  • 1:02:13
    be victims of this kind of attack what
  • 1:02:15
    is he saying I've been very concerned
  • 1:02:17
    about the president's tone it not being
  • 1:02:20
    willing to call out and call up for that
  • 1:02:24
    matter the two former presidents who
  • 1:02:26
    were going to be victims of this kind of
  • 1:02:28
    attack huh
  • 1:02:29
    and one of things about this president
  • 1:02:31
    is I don't think he understands that
  • 1:02:34
    words matter I mean I was governor of
  • 1:02:36
    Virginia when we had the sniper
  • 1:02:37
    incidents years ago and how leaders
  • 1:02:41
    respond in these moments of crisis Trump
  • 1:02:45
    all right
  • 1:02:46
    let's go back to his comment about the
  • 1:02:47
    two presidents yes which two presidents
  • 1:02:51
    well he's like what I think he's
  • 1:02:54
    presuming is that because a letter was
  • 1:02:57
    sent to Hillary Clinton at the house
  • 1:02:58
    where she apparently lives with Bill
  • 1:03:00
    that that would be the threat oh it was
  • 1:03:03
    it was that here's what I got it the
  • 1:03:05
    reason I highlight this is because of
  • 1:03:07
    the president's plural yes Hillary's not
  • 1:03:10
    a president wasn't the letter wasn't
  • 1:03:12
    addressed to Bill there's an assumption
  • 1:03:16
    she is the president but she's not is
  • 1:03:18
    that because in the affidavit in the
  • 1:03:21
    affidavit it says presidents plural yes
  • 1:03:24
    he specifically said two presidents Bill
  • 1:03:28
    Clinton was not one of the guys who got
  • 1:03:30
    the package and the reason I bring this
  • 1:03:32
    up is because I don't have a clip but I
  • 1:03:34
    can assure you that while driving around
  • 1:03:37
    from the store I was listening to the
  • 1:03:39
    BBC and they specifically said there's
  • 1:03:42
    gonna be an indictment for threatening
  • 1:03:45
    to present specifically to former US
  • 1:03:49
    presidents huh now so I have to say
  • 1:03:53
    because then when they're Warner that I
  • 1:03:55
    didn't get that clip because it was on
  • 1:03:56
    the radio in the car as soon as I heard
  • 1:03:58
    Warner's say two presidents and then saw
  • 1:04:01
    the plural in the other thing I'm
  • 1:04:03
    thinking plural in the other thing I'm
  • 1:04:05
    bill was supposed to go bill was
  • 1:04:09
    supposed to be in it it bill just said
  • 1:04:10
    no I don't want to have anything to do
  • 1:04:12
    with this scheme of yours huh huh leave
  • 1:04:15
    me out of it enough power to tell him to
  • 1:04:18
    leave him out of it the hold on a second
  • 1:04:20
    let me just go ahead keep going keep
  • 1:04:22
    going me just go ahead keep going keep
  • 1:04:23
    God so there was no two presidents that
  • 1:04:25
    were threatened and the BBC and
  • 1:04:28
    obviously Warner and all these other
  • 1:04:31
    people including the the probably a few
  • 1:04:34
    others I'm sure out there just said two
  • 1:04:36
    presidents this was the original scheme
  • 1:04:39
    that's why I was in plural in the
  • 1:04:41
    affidavit and that part of it was just
  • 1:04:43
    kind of like oh we doubt we'll only have
  • 1:04:45
    one president but everybody else was
  • 1:04:47
    told to even though the second guy bill
  • 1:04:50
    who wasn't gonna go along with the
  • 1:04:51
    program and obviously George Bush
  • 1:04:53
    wouldn't fit in because he's a
  • 1:04:54
    Republican and they're not gonna do htw
  • 1:04:57
    so those are the at Jimmy Carter is
  • 1:04:58
    possible but he was not even in the
  • 1:05:00
    country so this was this was seems to me
  • 1:05:03
    again part of a bigger script that's
  • 1:05:06
    been put together by ah here's here's
  • 1:05:09
    here's account yes account 3 let me read
  • 1:05:11
    it again threats again for former
  • 1:05:13
    presidents and certain other persons
  • 1:05:14
    this from the affidavit inner about
  • 1:05:17
    October 2018 maybe there was a little
  • 1:05:19
    blank they were supposed to put that in
  • 1:05:21
    search and replace where they didn't in
  • 1:05:22
    the Southern District of New York and
  • 1:05:24
    elsewhere Caesar al tere seoc the
  • 1:05:26
    defendant knowingly and willfully
  • 1:05:28
    threatened to kill and inflict bodily
  • 1:05:29
    harm upon a former president and a
  • 1:05:32
    member of the immediate family of a
  • 1:05:34
    former president to wit seoc mailed an
  • 1:05:37
    ie D to former First Lady Hillary
  • 1:05:39
    Clinton who resides with her husband
  • 1:05:41
    former President William Jefferson
  • 1:05:43
    Clinton but the title still says threats
  • 1:05:46
    against former presidents plural yeah
  • 1:05:49
    they didn't get that one fixed mm-hmm
  • 1:05:53
    this was a botched yes yeah and Boerner
  • 1:05:57
    very clearly says two presidents and he
  • 1:06:00
    doesn't have the disclaimer you know he
  • 1:06:02
    was she was living with him like that's
  • 1:06:04
    yes sure and and the BBC with the two
  • 1:06:07
    threats against two presidents not a
  • 1:06:10
    president and his wife you know I read
  • 1:06:13
    somebody no a president and a
  • 1:06:15
    president's wife
  • 1:06:16
    yeah and again if this is scripted in
  • 1:06:19
    California they still think Hillary's
  • 1:06:20
    president I was fine done nothing but
  • 1:06:22
    sense yeah well not my president right
  • 1:06:28
    I just found that to be peculiar I can't
  • 1:06:32
    argue enough going up at the bottom I
  • 1:06:35
    can white supremacist who's a Seminole I
  • 1:06:37
    mean there's a good one I'm just reading
  • 1:06:38
    at the bottom of this affidavit based on
  • 1:06:40
    my training and expertise as well as my
  • 1:06:42
    review of law enforcement databases
  • 1:06:45
    I believe that seoc is the user of say
  • 1:06:48
    solitaire Twitter account because all
  • 1:06:52
    Atari is say aux middle name and
  • 1:06:54
    location of say arcs last known
  • 1:06:56
    residence an event or a Florida is
  • 1:06:58
    proximate to the two locations listed in
  • 1:07:00
    the account information for these sazar
  • 1:07:02
    a lottery Twitter account now couple
  • 1:07:05
    things about this one is based on my
  • 1:07:08
    training and experience as well as my
  • 1:07:09
    review of law enforcement databases so
  • 1:07:11
    somewhere in the law enforcement
  • 1:07:13
    database he's able to cut I guess he's
  • 1:07:16
    just able to connect that to his
  • 1:07:17
    residences but again promoting the
  • 1:07:21
    Twitter account because there were a
  • 1:07:22
    number of there's also one Twitter
  • 1:07:23
    account that looks like the guys from
  • 1:07:25
    Isis did you see that one yeah I saw
  • 1:07:28
    that one you know so but they're very
  • 1:07:30
    clear about say solitaire that's the one
  • 1:07:33
    you want to go after no mention of the
  • 1:07:37
    what's the what's the club
  • 1:07:41
    the hard rock hard rock 2016 I think
  • 1:07:44
    we're 26 another account that he was run
  • 1:07:46
    up but they really pointed everybody
  • 1:07:49
    towards your right the the people and
  • 1:07:52
    you know that I mean maybe they could
  • 1:07:54
    have gone a number of directions and
  • 1:07:56
    they just had these things ready that
  • 1:07:57
    they're ready yeah you know because
  • 1:08:00
    sometimes you know I we're gonna have to
  • 1:08:02
    account for that let's push and push
  • 1:08:03
    everyone in this direction I do want to
  • 1:08:05
    play my last clip which is to say out
  • 1:08:07
    cut rapidly clip does the PBS newshour
  • 1:08:09
    they're starting off their discussion
  • 1:08:11
    and they make this the point of emphasis
  • 1:08:13
    which still bothers me what more is
  • 1:08:15
    known about the suspected pipe bomber
  • 1:08:17
    and the state of the investigation with
  • 1:08:19
    Mary McCord she helped lead the
  • 1:08:22
    Department of Justice National Security
  • 1:08:24
    Division during the Obama administration
  • 1:08:26
    it focuses on terrorism and other
  • 1:08:28
    significant national security threats
  • 1:08:30
    she's now a visiting professor of law at
  • 1:08:33
    Georgetown University and JM Berger
  • 1:08:36
    he has written extensively about
  • 1:08:38
    political violence his latest book
  • 1:08:40
    extremism was recently published by MIT
  • 1:08:43
    press he's also a research fellow at Vox
  • 1:08:46
    Paul that's a European Union academic
  • 1:08:49
    initiative to study online extremism and
  • 1:08:52
    we welcome both of you to the program
  • 1:08:55
    Mary McCord to you first what's your
  • 1:08:58
    reaction to what we know so far about
  • 1:09:00
    this man
  • 1:09:01
    the suspect well it it does seem like it
  • 1:09:04
    was extremely good and fast work by the
  • 1:09:07
    FBI and all the other state local law
  • 1:09:09
    enforcement that assisted they certainly
  • 1:09:11
    did get lucky by the fact that the
  • 1:09:13
    suspects left a fingerprint on one of
  • 1:09:15
    the packages and is somebody known to
  • 1:09:18
    law enforcement for whom his fingerprint
  • 1:09:20
    was in the database so congratulations
  • 1:09:23
    of course to all the incredible law
  • 1:09:25
    enforcement for solving this so rapidly
  • 1:09:28
    what is the position that wasn't a
  • 1:09:30
    question why why bother answering when
  • 1:09:35
    you can say that so much better so she's